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mhd
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esq. you gotta realize that initially rap was an import to chicago, and had to compete with genres very well established, and there was really no competition, house had the chi on lock. this was at a time when there was no rap on radio, no rap on mtv
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Doug
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Originally posted by esquire:
My question would be to all the djs, producers, heads, etc.: Have you ever distributed, sold or purchased a mixed tape or I guess cd now with music that has not been licensed?
I'm sure everyone here has done it at one point in time or another (myself included). That still does not make it right.
Unfortunately for house music, mix CDs are sometimes the only way the music is ever promoted outside of a club environment and outside of certain areas of the country. It is also pretty much the only way a DJ can market himself/herself. It is a catch-22 situation that most people in the dance music industry understand. Still, it doesn't justify downloading music or selling CDs for profit, especially profit margins are already razor thin for most house labels, producers and artists trying to make a buck off of the music.
Peace,
Doug
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SHEIK YERBOUTI
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Originally posted by mhd:
esq. you gotta realize that initially rap was an import to chicago, and had to compete with genres very well established, and there was really no competition, house had the chi on lock. this was at a time when there was no rap on radio, no rap on mtv
That's right. Common used to always mention how hard it was being an MC in a house city. He eventually left Chi and moved to Brooklyn.
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the crackhouse
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Originally posted by Bold Soul:
1. What do you satisfy when purchasing music?
I satisfy my wants of listenning and sharing good music. Would buy a double album only for one track/song.
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2. What do you satisfy in downloading or otherwise getting music for free?[/QB]
I satisfy the absence of people like me in my place, with the same taste for disco and house, or I satisfy my geographic position (no good stores where I live), or I satisfy my wants of hard to find old disco gems.
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3. What do you care about most that buying or ripping music provides for?[/QB]
My english is not good enough to understand that last question...
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LEONARD REMIX RROY
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Originally posted by mhd:
esq. you gotta realize that initially rap was an import to chicago, and had to compete with genres very well established, and there was really no competition, house had the chi on lock. this was at a time when there was no rap on radio, no rap on mtv
I wish the chi was still on House lockdown, the parties would be better over all. People kill me at Urban Music clubs, they ask the DJ to play something from Naz (or who-ever)
THEN THEY WALK AROUND THE PLACE or SIT AND BOB THEIR HEAD. Nobody dance to that shit but, the want it played.
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bombay records
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Originally posted by Doug:
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Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
If the mixes on DHP were for sale...there goes a market right there.
No disrespect to Gman, but he just recently posted a Real Audio to .WAV converter on the board and frequently posts sets as MP3's. What incentive do people have to pay for sets posted on this site? Moreover, how do artists whose material appears on these sets get paid?
Peace,
Doug
Yes, that post raised my eyebrows as well.
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Bold Soul
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Originally posted by idancetoomuch:
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Originally posted by Bold Soul:
1. What do you satisfy when purchasing music?
I satisfy my wants of listenning and sharing good music. Would buy a double album only for one track/song.
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2. What do you satisfy in downloading or otherwise getting music for free?
I satisfy the absence of people like me in my place, with the same taste for disco and house, or I satisfy my geographic position (no good stores where I live), or I satisfy my wants of hard to find old disco gems.
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3. What do you care about most that buying or ripping music provides for?[/QB]
My english is not good enough to understand that last question...
(me) [/QB]
Wonderful!!! Thanks for the concise answers! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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LEONARD REMIX RROY
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In the first six months of 2002, CD sales fell 11 percent - on top of a 3 percent decline the year before. Sales of blank CDs jumped 40 percent last year, while the users of Kazaa, the biggest online file-trading service, tripled in number. Meanwhile, the labels' new legitimate online music services attracted fewer paying customers than the McDonald's in Times Square.
If only he knew that, the main Kazaa users are downloading movies - not music. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Bold Soul
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Downloading isn't killing the software industry - which has much more at stake in an intellectual property sense.
Could it be that consumers do not see the value in purchasing music any longer?
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simon b
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Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
THEN THEY WALK AROUND THE PLACE or SIT AND BOB THEIR HEAD. Nobody dance to that shit but, the want it played.
Off topic, but totally on point.
Regarding stealing music, there is nothing like the REAL THING!
The music I've burned on to CD is stuff I already paid for on vinyl.
I usually give away my mixes for free and try and point people in the right direction of where they can buy Ssome of the music themselves.
Indepent dance labels need to get more involved in CDs for the causal listner. Ever try and get the lastest MAW or UR track on CD? Nearly impossible.
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bombay records
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[/QUOTE]Off topic, but totally on point.
Regarding stealing music, there is nothing like the REAL THING!
The music I've burned on to CD is stuff I already paid for on vinyl.
I usually give away my mixes for free and try and point people in the right direction of where they can buy Ssome of the music themselves.
Indepent dance labels need to get more involved in CDs for the causal listner. Ever try and get the lastest MAW or UR track on CD? Nearly impossible.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Sure, but even if you manufacture the CDs, try getting major retailers to stock them. Wal-Mart doesn't want to know from MAW or UR.
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DeesKo
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Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Downloading isn't killing the software industry - which has much more at stake in an intellectual property sense.
In many cases cracked or bootlegged software has two distinct advantages over music.
1. Many times a hacked/cracked software package doesn't have all of the functionality of the original product. My cracked copy of Sound Forge had RACKS of stuff missing.
2. The typical purchasing population for computer software revolves more around typical, average, standard, run of the mill joe schmo 32 year old moms with 2.5 kids and a dog in the backyard who barely knows how look up movie times on Yahoo... much less how to steal software. As an industry I don't think its as reliant on cutting edge youth to survive. At least not as dependant as the music industry seems to be.
They go into Best Buy, drop their $1,000 on a computer, the software that comes loaded on it earns the software company a kick back from the sale price, then when they upgrade, they buy a whole new deal from Best Buy, every year they buy their $49.99 tax software from Best Buy etc etc etc.
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Could it be that consumers do not see the value in purchasing music any longer?
Of course they don't. Its free now. Its their inalienable right to get free music via downloading it so why buy it.
Peace
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simon b
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Originally posted by bombay records:
Off topic, but totally on point.
Regarding stealing music, there is nothing like the REAL THING!
The music I've burned on to CD is stuff I already paid for on vinyl.
I usually give away my mixes for free and try and point people in the right direction of where they can buy Ssome of the music themselves.
Indepent dance labels need to get more involved in CDs for the causal listner. Ever try and get the lastest MAW or UR track on CD? Nearly impossible.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but even if you manufacture the CDs, try getting major retailers to stock them. Wal-Mart doesn't want to know from MAW or UR.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Hey Shawn,
Good point.
But even if I could tell someone to go to an independent retailer like Inbeat or heaven forbid HMV's dance section and get the track they liked in my set it would be a start.
Now I write down the name and 99% of the time I'm sure they go home and try and download it.
Anyway, where you been?
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mattymatt
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to me, vinyl is/was the ultimate satisfaction in purchasing music.
1. you get a big black piece of wax. not a 25 cent piece of silver plastic.
2. the sleeve is like a poster. a big picture of the artist that you will now go home and listen to.
3. Hopefully, inside, you'll have detailed info on all the tracks, who played what instrument, and all the lyrics! on another big piece of paper. not a little booklet with microscopic text.
4. if you want to copy vinyl, you can only do it at 1X. RIAA loves that.
basically CDs suck ass. you can't deny how great they are, because they sound fine, and they're light, and they can be played for 80 minutes straight. but they can be copied/ripped in seconds.
too bad they don't have 12" vinyl changers for your car.
remember when you could first copy cassettes at high speed? that was some serious technology.
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kev
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the thing that gets me about going into a chain store and seeing cd's for 20 bucks is knowing that the artists themselves (at least the ones on major labels) are only getting anywhere from 8-12 percent of what you're buying the cd for!
i've always looked at buying mix cd's this way. yes, you are paying for the music, but you're also paying for the services. for me it was mainly the services b/c i already had at least half the songs on the cd.
true, most rappers you see on tv and hear on the radio are on some fake ass thug sh*t (and i emphasize the word fake). but if you judged house music by what they see on tv and hear on the radio you'd probably hate house, too.
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DJ PHYLME
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This is LRR,
House artist do not call females (ebonically spelling) Be-Hotches , a B-otch or ho. Not to mention....people who speak english overseas do not need a Phd in Ghetto-ology to understand exactally what these fools are talking about.
Rappers are not stupid as they make out, they just play on the lack of understanding / general smarts of the ghetto mind.
In lay terms....."shit floats to the top" example: My Neck, My Back, My Crack, your wallet just got jacked.
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O'love
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labels should put out more 12" compilation CD's with their latest releases on it, preferably in 1 or 2 versions...maybe even with an added mixed CD as a bonus..... and who cares about the big chains? house lovers don't go there to buy music, make sure you sell those CD's from your own website and/or stock em with the big online dancemusic shops like www.juno.co.uk etc.
this way you also cater for people that don't need vinyl versions....
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f0reverneverm0re
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Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
If the mixes on DHP were for sale...
...i'd have nothing to listen too (they stole all my sound last summer)
and BTW, thanks to everyone that posts mixes/demos online, bill yee, oji and everybody. it's been keeping me going (i might buy a 2nd hand player and some CDs next week)
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garagemusic
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this whole thing is going to leave only one source of income for house music producers...
dj gigs and then we are going to hear all the straight up dj's whining about how comes they get all the high paying gigs
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LEONARD REMIX RROY
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Originally posted by Doug:
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Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Record companies are not trying to promote House so, if I do a dope remix and somebody want a dub, I will sell it to them.
Why not give it away for free if all you're doing is trying to promote house?
My mix skills are great to say the least and to just give away a piece of my work says....it is worthless.
A large number of DJ's have herd my material and some think that I am sitting on a goldmine, some even tell me - "you need to stop bullshiting and put that one out"
If I could hook up with people like MAW and my joints were licensed and pressed...they would sell in large numbers.
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Money & Art dont mix, I am glad to be part of - the history of House Music.
http://www.myspace.com/djleonardrroy
http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/remix1981/?action=view¤t=Movie-DHPLies.flv
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Doug
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Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
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Originally posted by Doug:
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Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Record companies are not trying to promote House so, if I do a dope remix and somebody want a dub, I will sell it to them.
Why not give it away for free if all you're doing is trying to promote house?
My mix skills are great to say the least and to just give away a piece of my work says....it is worthless.
A large number of DJ's have herd my material and some think that I am sitting on a goldmine, some even tell me - "you need to stop bullshiting and put that one out"
If I could hook up with people like MAW and my joints were licensed and pressed...they would sell in large numbers.
I won't debate whether or not your joints would sell in large numbers. However, let me direct your attention to this statement:
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My mix skills are great to say the least and to just give away a piece of my work says....it is worthless.
Explain to me how you can adopt this philosophy about your work but then criticize artists and record companies who actually have shit out that can be downloaded without their permission. Is that not hypocritical?
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djmarbll
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Exactly!!! I know some house producers who said they were only producing this music to get the big paying dj gigs. They didn't even expect to make money off record sales. And this was 10 years ago!!!
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