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Topic: Is the soul being left out of new house music???
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SMOOTH87
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I went to thee record store today and most of the tracks I heard were tech house and not really soulful at all. I know that January is slow month for music but it makes you wonder where is good house music going to. Is this what the younger kids are into or are the new house producers trying to break away from being associated with black music???
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Originally posted by SMOOTH87:
new house producers trying to break away from being associated with black music???
I think you hit the nail on the head.
And we've been wondering this whole time.
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there's more rubbish then normally, i have the impression..but that just means you have to step up the effort to find the soulfull stuff..It's still there, just keep your eyes open and expand if you can't find it immediately
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Originally posted by Myron:
Two comments regarding house music:
1. Define "soul" (the term "soul" has been abused is recent years and not just in regards to house music)?
2. Is "where's the soul," even the right question? The question that should be asked is "where's the funk"?Myron
re: #2, JoelS.
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SMOOTH87
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here we go again with the "soulful"....
wailing vocals = soulful?
No... Soulful does not mean wailing vocals it has more to do with arrangement and content. You can have an instrumental song be soulful or even a techno track can be soulful..
I am glad you brough up the vocal thing. I was asked to do mixes for someone I met over the internet a few years ago. The one thing that this person didn't want was vocal tracks he wanted mostly instrumentals with dubby vocals. We he told me this my first thought was that he did not want his music to sould black.. This is fine if that is what someone likes but IMHO it's not true house if you avoid full vocals totally...
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Originally posted by Myron:
"where's the funk"?
Myron
Myron, you are the MO'FO.
Now, where's Groove ?
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MelodiousFonk
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I personaly like what I like but as far as soulfull goes,HELP IS ON THE WAY
Look for Melodious Fonk.
We will be bringing the soul as we feel it.
New releases will be coming out by miami.
Also if there is nothing out there,
GET YO ASS IN THE LAB NIKKA ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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SHEIK YERBOUTI
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Well I've heard some cats say they like house tracks, but not tracks that sound TOO black...
Ya know what, I would love to make a trance track and try hard as hell to make that joint sound BLACK. Vocals, whatever, just to see if djs would spin it. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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SMOOTH87
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Originally posted by Myron:
Two comments regarding house music:
1. Define "soul" (the term "soul" has been abused is recent years and not just in regards to house music)?
2. Is "where's the soul," even the right question? The question that should be asked is "where's the funk"?
Myron
Good point.. A lot of the stuff I heard today was not funky. Just different and techey..
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Originally posted by Myron:
Two comments regarding house music:
2. Is "where's the soul," even the right question? The question that should be asked is "where's the funk"?
Myron
True dat!!! Without the funk, disco had nothing to borrow from. Without disco and funk, there is no house. Like George Clinton said," Funk created the Gods, without the funk, how could you pee?"
I think that's why the classics 70's and 80's stuff will never go out of style. It was fonky. A lot of new stuff sounds the same right now. Something good will come along eventually though. You should check out Shannon's new ep Sean. It's soulful and funky.
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Why is there a "label" placed on everything we hear nowadays??? You either feel it or you don't. If it's good, buy it. If not, leave it alone. I'm sick of the word "soulful"......Everyone wonders WHY record sales are down, WHY house music is on the decline, WHY WHY WHY???? If Kraftwerk's Computer Games LP came out in 2003 rather than 1981, would it be accepted by the "soulful" house heads as the classic that it is?? NO. Too "techy"....Georgio Moroder's E=Mc2 LP??? NO. Too "techy"....Klein & MBO"s Dirty Talk???? NO AGAIN. Too "techy". Skatt Bros. - Walk The Night?? NO WAY. Too "hard". B52's - Mesopatamia??? NO FUCKING WAY. Too "white". Yet these are the some of the classics that preceded the house sound of today, and I could keep the floor moving at a "deep house" party with any of these. We need to quit pigeonholing ourselves when it comes to "labeling" what we hear and play and buy. There's alot of good new music out there, and just because something isn't considered "soulful" or "Black enough", we're not even giving the music a chance. Open your ears and your mind before it's too late, folks......JMJ ![[mad]](mad1.gif)
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Originally posted by JMJ:
Why is there a "label" placed on everything we hear nowadays??? You either feel it or you don't. If it's good, buy it. If not, leave it alone. I'm sick of the word "soulful"......Everyone wonders WHY record sales are down, WHY house music is on the decline, WHY WHY WHY???? If Kraftwerk's Computer Games LP came out in 2003 rather than 1981, would it be accepted by the "soulful" house heads as the classic that it is?? NO. Too "techy"....Georgio Moroder's E=Mc2 LP??? NO. Too "techy"....Klein & MBO"s Dirty Talk???? NO AGAIN. Too "techy". Skatt Bros. - Walk The Night?? NO WAY. Too "hard". B52's - Mesopatamia??? NO FUCKING WAY. Too "white". Yet these are the some of the classics that preceded the house sound of today, and I could keep the floor moving at a "deep house" party with any of these. We need to quit pigeonholing ourselves when it comes to "labeling" what we hear and play and buy. There's alot of good new music out there, and just because something isn't considered "soulful" or "Black enough", we're not even giving the music a chance. Open your ears and your mind before it's too late, folks......JMJ
I don't disagree with that. Sometimes I think that house community is so stuck on keeping things pure that the point upholding a rulebook that never existed in the first place but was distilled from a group of records that became "cannon" precisely because they broke the established rules in the first place. Right now I am listening to a recent CD and while the musicianship is spectacular, it sounds like a 70's fusion record. While that's not a bad thing, I think it is time to move on and start innovating again. It is time to sound futuristic again and I don't mean all science fictiony but something that moves forward, something that expands upon the sounds of the past without sounding like a pastiche of those sounds.
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ooohhh...shit JMJ, I sorta agree...but I am mixed on this....
Tis true, a lot of the music lacks something, as its become too synthetic....however, since I dont like a lot of vocals I try and blend music that has the "human element" to it, (be it vocal, piano, or whateva----).......
Its a combo....and I do agree good music is good music, but deep-deep down inside ya know people are picking up on what many African Americans forged and altering it...(like Jazz, Reggae, Blues, Rock N Roll, etc.....) Its cool, just give the props back to their rightful owners.....simple
Soul, 1st off, its not a defineable term.....(so you "intellectuals" go back to book reading).....its something you feel, like racism, 1 knows its there--its just very hard to fully and accurately articulate!...(some people dont have a heart and some peoples culture pushes them away from feeling, so how the hell would they know???)
That being said, we (Africans) got the juice, and there's no doubting it....yet, there's others who have it too.....Like that dang-blasted Chris Brann....that shit is so hot that I use mits when laying it down......(Churchill has it)
I personally like to lay in both soul with the tech-house, it adds a dimension that others typically dont do.....but hey! I am just a new Jack....
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I've been rockin' an album by "Royksopp" for the past couple of days that's HOT! I think they're Swedish, but I'm not certain.
Shit is so hot, I haven't read the liner notes.
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Yup, all the soul for house music has been officially used up. And I'm glad too cause now I can finally start rocking a crowd with my true passion of gabber and death core techno. ![[Cool]](smokin.gif)
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ooohhh...shit JMJ, I sorta agree...but I am mixed on this....
Tis true, a lot of the music lacks something, as its become too synthetic....however, since I dont like a lot of vocals I try and blend music that has the "human element" to it, (be it vocal, piano, or whateva----).......
Its a combo....and I do agree good music is good music, but deep-deep down inside ya know people are picking up on what many African Americans forged and altering it...(like Jazz, Reggae, Blues, Rock N Roll, etc.....) Its cool, just give the props back to their rightful owners.....simple
Soul, 1st off, its not a defineable term.....(so you "intellectuals" go back to book reading).....its something you feel, like racism, 1 knows its there--its just very hard to fully and accurately articulate!...(some people dont have a heart and some peoples culture pushes them away from feeling, so how the hell would they know???)
That being said, we (Africans) got the juice, and there's no doubting it....yet, there's others who have it too.....Like that dang-blasted Chris Brann....that shit is so hot that I use mits when laying it down......(Churchill has it)
I personally like to lay in both soul with the tech-house, it adds a dimension that others typically dont do.....but hey! I am just a new Jack....
Crime!
Create your own path, Hk. Some of the DJ's here in Chicago seem to be stuck in a time warp. Rather than carving their own niche, they follow "rules" that don't exist, and try to emulate rather than originate. To each his own, but it's time to move forward. All of the "RULES" are about to change......JMJ ![[coolshades]](graemlins/cool_shades.gif)
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[QUOTE]True dat!!! Without the funk, disco had nothing to borrow from. Without disco and funk, there is no house. Like George Clinton said," Funk created the Gods, without the funk, how could you pee?"
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to answer your question sean, no.
the soulful stuff is out there.. after the music conference that is. everyone's holding out right now.
i think the market was flooded with soulful stuff last year. its time for a shift.
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Originally posted by Myron:
Two comments regarding house music:
1. Define "soul" (the term "soul" has been abused is recent years and not just in regards to house music)?
2. Is "where's the soul," even the right question? The question that should be asked is "where's the funk"?
Myron
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hey MYRON,
HAPPY NEW YEAR! TO YA!
where you been??
AHH the FUNK a concept these folk just ain't ready 2 comprehend ![[Confused]](AR15firing.gif)
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Ron la Rock
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ya know I'm more convinced half of these cats
on all these dammboards
are not into or never heard of this kind(house/underground) and other musics they claim so much "love" & "knowledge" over
I really don't know any more?
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Hk
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Perhaps,
....and that can only be judged by action/inaction.....
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