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Moksha
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Lyrics by Immortal Technique:
Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.
Nigga talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.
I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.
You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.
But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.
I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.
In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.
In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.
You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.
But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois lead. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.
So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.
Viva la revolution!
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Martin Red
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good article
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Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you.
Ain't that the truth.
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Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
Re: Jamaica
EU - US: Banana War
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=038539#000000
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Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue.
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=31;t=000694#000000
http://www.open2.net/slavery/
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=31;t=001389#000000
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=008648#000000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3581815.stm
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Moksha
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Originally posted by Martin Red:
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Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.
Re: Jamaica
EU - US: Banana War
http://www.mayaparadise.com/ufc1e.htm
Notice the complicity of the media. And this shit still goes on.
And the US wonders why Chavez and Morales are so popular...
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Soleful
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I was gonna come here and carry on about how Argentina n Brazil have loosened the shackles from IMF by paying back their debts in full ahead of schedule. Then I come upon this
http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/ifis/informes/227.html
and realize its a farse. They pay back 6% interest loans w/ 10%, even fluctuating interest, loans. Its a damn shame. I wonder how much the kickback was.
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Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Lyrics by Immortal Technique:
... because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed ...
...Nigga talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely ...
...I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others...
... until we realize [the Government's the ultimate gangsta] we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined....
... no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. (((((((((I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in...)))))))))
... It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. (((((((((We have whatever they kick down to us....)))))))))
... I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground....
(((((((((You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil.)))))))))) I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. (((((((((((Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.))))))))))))
So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino .... PERSONALLY, I (FREE) HAVE A DAMN HARD TIME GOING TO ANY POLL TO VOTE FOR ANYBODY FOR WHATEVER OFFICE ... IT ALL SEEMS SO HYPOCRITCAL, FRUITLESS ... I REMEMBER AT A FORT GREEN PARK "SOUL SUMMIT" EVENT LAST SUMMER A SISTA APPROACHING ME TO SUPPORT SOME BLACK CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR SOME POLITICAL OFFICE (CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT POSITION) ... WE SPOKE BRIEFLY & I SUCCINTLY TOLD HER THAT POLITICS IS A GAME AND NOW AS HAD BEEN THE CASE SEEMINGLY FOREVER IT'S NOT ADVANCING BLACK PEOPLE .... THE ILLUSION THAT IT IS REALLY UPSETS ME. i CONCLUDED, I'M NOT PLAYING THE GAME FROM THAT ANGLE ANYMORE. SISTA WAS REAL COOL & JUST SAID SHE RESPECTED MY MENTAL INM THIS REGARD ....
Viva la revolution!
What's up, Orion : Konbit:
Above are pointers I've highlighted from the original piece by Immortal Technique... Powerful stuff.
The circle of people I'm close to now are pretty much up on the time. We often discuss our plight as black people (ALL people of color, and you know Latinos are DEFINITELY in the house). And, perhaps more importantly, we often discuss what could we do to change this situation.
Oftentimes we touch on the subject of revolution and revolutionaries. Long story short I often say on this tip that it all starts within one's own circle.
It's damn difficult/life-threatening, even to change the entire world with powerful speeches, organized (even disorganized -- LOL) movements, or actual revolutionary warfare. BUT IT'S BEEN DONE. History attests to this. Albeit it' a gradual process and the results while O.K. with some may seem way too short in supply for others. I guess it all boils down to one's own personal philosophies on what advancements black people have made up to this day and if these are real or just illusions ... (let me not go on another tangent here ...)
Anyway, like I was saying, build within your inner circle. Let revolution (if this is your stee) start here. Hip the young guns/future generations within your circle to the time and to know the wickness of man (trust no man, basically) and how he controls through this "system" he has created and is WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO MAINTAIN.
Build with the people who matter the most to you and let the effects of this ripple outward for generation after generation after generation ...
Peace & Understanding
[ January 03, 2006, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: free ]
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....from what I read, I see nothing illogical here.
Right U R Konbit, slave labor is the foundation of white Americans and SOME white European nation's economic power--of course a moderate look at history would reveal this salient point BUT....history aint popular----and its not lucrative either.
We can only keep exposing this fact until we begin to organize collectively to actively change our condition.
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