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TAC
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I stopped buying the prior. I now focus on the latter.
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Tempest
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This is actually an interesting topic. Do I buy 1a 12"(or mp3, etc.) because I like who produced it and that producers style, or do I really like the artist no matter who produced it. I used to get every MAW produced 12", regardless of the artist. Did I like them all? No way, some where utter shite. Had I done just a little more research on the artist perhaps I would've been more artist driven in my purchases. Along these same lines, do you buy everything on a certain label? I did this with Guidance and Strictly Rhythm and we all know what type of releases came out near their end runs.
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Fletch
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Both need each other!
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TAC
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Originally posted by Fletch:
Both need each other!
Understood, but this is not about the mutual interdepence that you're referring to.
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Light Skinted Wif Good Hur
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OK...this is a really wild concept...why not buy music that sounds good to you...everyone has a clunker and even people that are consistently shitty get lucky once in a while.
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TAC
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Originally posted by El Rey de Hamburguesa:
OK...this is a really wild concept...why not buy music that sounds good to you...everyone has a clunker and even people that are consistently shitty get lucky once in a while.
Good point. But the thinking is flawed...
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Fletch
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Very few artists have talent beyond a production. I guess that's what you're lookin for, correct?
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Ndless Nite
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For me, it all depends on who. Some producers are artists in their own right. But, generally speaking, I envision producers as ultimately the ninja working behind the scenes making things happen for the artist. So I would like to see more artist driven material. But what happens when you get a producer that has a signature sound? Even though that artist is suppossed to be the drawing factor, that signature sound of said producer may overpower the artist and they are just the "feature" artist.
Just some randome thoughts.
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TAC
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Originally posted by Fletch:
Very few artists have talent beyond a production. I guess that's what you're lookin for, correct?
I think its the other way round, in that very few producers have artisic talent. Granted, there are those that do, but they are the exception.
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TAC
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But what happens when you get a producer that has a signature sound?
It gets stale, fast.
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TAC
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Actually this is a topic that rears its head from time to time.
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BrazenMuse
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Originally posted by TAC:
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Originally posted by Ndless Nite:
But what happens when you get a producer that has a signature sound?
It gets stale, fast.
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I like to distinguish between artists and vocalists. There are people with lovely voices who cannot write their own material (or haven't taken the time to learn...whichever). These are vocalists. There are others who write their own material from the ground up, who know what they want the entire arrangement to sound like and who seek producers who will help them make that vision take shape. Those are artists.
In between there are all sorts of spaces for lovely collaborations, some vocalists are geniuses with vocal arrangements, some artists have exactly the right ear for whose style of singing or play will work best with their leads and their music.
Producers? Some only want vocalists. They do not want artists because artists insist on their own input, insist on collaborative effort and insist on getting their publishing splits. These are not necessarily bad producers, but they might be better off working with vocalists instead of artists.
Some producers see input from the vocalist or artist as part of a larger collaborative effort and they share it - this is a lovely thing.
Notice: I'm not speaking on the $$ aspect of things here. Not at all.
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Walter M. Jones
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There are a lot of great producers that have been successful at being a great and talented musical artists. Prince, Brian Eno, Todd Rundgren just to throw out some names.
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TAC
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There are a lot of great producers that have been successful at being a great and talented musical artists. Prince, Brian Eno, Todd Rundgren just to throw out some names.
But are they house?
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Fletch
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You know what? I don't focus on one more than the other. I know I'm going back to 'both need each other', but check this out (not house, but).....
A lot of people say that Jean Carne's best work was with her then husband Doug, but say she sucked under Gamble and Huff (even with Free Love, Was That All That Was).
On the production side, everyone says that anything that Quincy Jones touches turned to either gold (Brothers Johnson, George Benson) or multiplatinum (Dude, Off The Wall, Thriller). But as talented as Donna Summer is, Quincy's work for her was not critically received very well.
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drilla
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how many house music artists actually use producers?
it is my feeling that most house music artists produce themselves.
in my work..me and doug. doug takes on a large producer role while i take on a large artist role...we do share both of these duties but for the most part this is how it is...
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drilla
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Originally posted by BrazenMuse:
Now: we also have a problem in house with people who are basically able to program beats on software but who claim to be producers without knowing anything about writing music, about musical structures, about theory. The resulting "music" can be a real horror show...most especially when they go get their friend the vocalist to sing on their "tracks"...
thats kinda what i was saying.
there is no boundary between the producer role and the composer role...and sometimes the engineer role as well. if there is a boundary in house, i feel it's not often utilized.
this may be an attribution to the slow down of originality in house music. im not saying all of the new stuff lacks originality...but more now than seven + years back.
were there more producers "back in the day"?
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Grey Marl
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you look at the 4 hero album; different vocalists, one of the guys is working slightly differently with more live players etc but as a project it's still really cohesive with lyrical themes and some really beautiful songwriting
it's an example of a solid coherent statement from producers as artists with an overiding sense of quality down to the nice jackson pollack inspired cover art (check out that dudes myspace page to peep his other stuff : http://www.myspace.com/theartofja
i'd love to see albums as crafted as this come out of the house scene, but often i think it's a case of low aspirations i.e a good supply of dj gigs in europe/japan etc, saturate the market with one-off 12"s of steadily diminishing originality, score a few major label mixes of pop acts, start wacking out the r'n'b bootlegs...
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Monsignor 'Frohistamine
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Originally posted by BrazenMuse:
Now: we also have a problem in house with people who are basically able to program beats on software but who claim to be producers without knowing anything about writing music, about musical structures, about theory. The resulting "music" can be a real horror show...most especially when they go get their friend the vocalist to sing on their "tracks"...
True.
As is the case with Dj's who r now 'Producer's'.
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Mike Johnson
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Originally posted by Ndless Nite:
But what happens when you get a producer that has a signature sound?
It gets stale, fast.
True!
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midwestchilerunninwile
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Funny this topic has come up. My tendencey is to purchase music that appeals to me based on both the producer and the artist. I loved all Barbara Tucker's music with Louis Vega but can't get into her now. Loved Dajae with Cajmere but wouldn't buy Cajmere now. I like Dajae's work with Mr. Ali. What constantly pops in my head in regards to this topic though is Quincy Jones and his ability as a producer to properly showcase the best in the artist. Think about Michael Jackson after Quincy, he got really weird. I truly think its all relative.
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kev foushee
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when i got into the recored store or if iam buying online i dont do like i use to do and that was buy by label, who remixed it or even by the artist. if you think about it back between 91-995 even 96 there was alot of junk that i bought because of this reason and some one had metioned this earlyer in this thread. but me being a dj what i do now is i get a stack of all the newest stuff in the store no matter who made it and just listen to it and see if i first like it and second will i be playing this same cut a year from now. today a track it seens and correct me if iam wronge but they done last long in the clubs, hot today gone tomarrow. thats a big problem today, look how long dont make me wait by the peach boys lasted not just them but alot of those cuts. point # 2. now as far as a producer/ production work goes iam new to it ive been at it for like mabey 2 year and got alot to learn but when i sit down and start to make a track i have 2 things gong on in my mind first what iam about to make will i dance to it cause i still do dance when i go out and second will this last the test of time .and this is no dis to and producers at all but i think that the tracks that are made today a rushed and if they would have taken there time a great track would have came out of it. but you cant go on who's who these days when buying music . my advice is just take the time out and listen and buy what fit's your style. ![[respect]](graemlins/respekt.gif)
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Walter M. Jones
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Originally posted by Walter M. Jones:
There are a lot of great producers that have been successful at being a great and talented musical artists. Prince, Brian Eno, Todd Rundgren just to throw out some names.
But are they house?
Oh,I thought we were talking about music in general, I didn't see anything about House anywhere in the topic or inthe threads below. Brian Eno (produced and performed on Once in a Lifetime, My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts) and Prince had no influence on House music. I forgot. Sorry.
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