Artists of the Century - New Order

[Mah'chew]

They began as potentially the greatest group that ever was, Joy Division. Even U2 have admitted that if Ian Curtis had not killed himself, JD were on course to rival the Rolling Stones (they were too nasty {street} to to ever be the Beatles).

They were at the forefront of fusing seamlessly the elements of Punk, gothic imagery and a speed induced beat. They were the Velvet Underground but instead of a violin and Nico's wailing they used Sequential Circuits sequencers.

They gave us this fusion in the same way that the Clash gave us a fusion of rock, dance and dub.

They had all this potential (The Stones, The Velvets, and The Clash) and on the verge of their first US tour, Ian Curtis, hangs himself..

They bounced back trying to mirror their old roots as Joy Division, dark, melodic, moody..

Still experimenting with the electronics, they would replicate their studio at live events, nothing on tape, everything raw and live.

Departing from their first single as New Order, through a transitional album, Movement, they discovered that they were taking elements from many areas, The Velvets, The Clash, Georgio Moroder and Euro Disco was all fused together to give their unique sound.

They created the world's biggest selling 12" of all time, Blue Monday, basically they would never do encores at live events and wanted something that they could play without actually being on stage after their 35/40 minute amphetamine fueled sets, so began Blue Monday. A record which they absolutely hate now (it actually cost more to produce, because of the sleeve design, than they could get back in sales).

So the biggest selling single of all time, ended up loosing them money.

They gave the UK the Hacienda, they gave us so much, chilling with Arthur Baker in New York, they gave a NYC club to the north of England and you have to love them for that.

They hated stardom, never turned precious, would always have two fingers up to anyone who crossed them (including an audience at the Paradise), always down to earth, always high and drunk.

These guys and one girl stayed ordinary in a mad disco and rock world and they gave us a gift - their music, which to this day is genreless and has never been eclipsed - they are the greatest artists of this century.

Ladies and Gentlemen I give New Order, a band that has given so much and always stayed true.

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[ March 06, 2003, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[f0reverneverm0re]

of the century?

[Querck]

Let's see: Shostakovich, Gershwin, Duke Ellington, Louie Armstrong, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk, Masters at Work... I think New Order is not quite in that group (and that's only those who became famous).

[jsd540]

I love me some new order, but artists of the century, I don't know... http://deephousepage.com/smilies/Disappointed_anim.gif

[YUJI-SAN]

Damn ****ing weird that you mentioned them, I just downloaded couple of their music few days ago.

[Nege]

Not artists of the century,
but they are great..........

[House]

i'm waiting for artists of the millennia

[dennis f]

I don't know about artist of the century but they were pretty good....played on the same bill as them last year in the Hulsfred Festival and sat next to them on the plane...and almost got into a spat with them because of seat assignments!! the plane was empty and Kerri and I were sittin' in one of their seats.... I thought they were just some old ass geezers givin' me grief until I noticed the flyer for the gig and VOILA! smack dab on the page there they were! Pretty embarrassing...but hey nothin' new for me...I'm always in the midst of some kinda shizit!!!
haha! still think Depeche Mode was way better and more ahead of their time than they were.

peace
dee

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by dannyboy:
Let's see: Shostakovich, Gershwin, Duke Ellington, Louie Armstrong, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk, Masters at Work... I think New Order is not quite in that group (and that's only those who became famous).It's all subjective anyway, so is meant to be fun, they never had a full on club focus like MAW (but crossed more genres than they could ever attempt and if MAW owned the Shelter you'd be getting half-way there), they had much more of a club focus than Kraftwerk ( who were great but again did not have that certain something to give them 30 years in the game..) and as for Floyd they were good, some of there work stands the test of time, but you play something like 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn' against New Order's first album 'Movement' and they are poles appart. Piper is a load of old tosh and you have to remember that the Floyd degenerated into flimsy middle-aged, loved by middle-class, middle-managers, stadia 'has-beens'.

New Order still rock nearly 30 years into their musical careers, they have given the world the biggest selling 12" single of all time and if you pick up their latest work they are getting Punkier in their 40's, the Floyd wimped right out and went for the Saab driving & trips to Ikea on a Sunday market.

New Order rock, straight up, give me another artist that has been in the game 30 years and every product has been on point and in their 30th year they give the world one of their rawist attempts at rock..? Give me one!

Show me Depeche Mode's world famous club, Mode were just a fashion statement compared to the ethics and drive of a band like New Order and the Mode burnt out on drugs and were always poppy.

New Order kept their stuff together. New Order kept it real plain and simple - nobody beats them for all of these reasons :D

[ March 07, 2003, 02:45 AM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[Mah'chew]

P.S. The Floyd are loved by Prince Charles and played for Diana (when the sick puppy was around..) New Order would have told them both to go and suck their c*cks! (and p*ssy!)

[Magic Bird of Klox]

My brother was big fan of Joy Division and the early New Order stuff. So I heard tracks like She's Lost Control, Procession, Everything's Gone Green etc a lot at the time. Then Blue Monday was a song you couldn't get away from if you went to clubs. Though to me, what made that a good record was Arthur Bakers production.

Personally, I've always thought of New Order as blaggers with minimal talent and musical ability. IMO There is no comparison with artists like Stevie Wonder or Michael Jackson - they have more talent in their little finger than the entirety of New Order posses.

Elvis Costello is another similar case - a handful of good-ish songs but really he is pretty crap, but somehow he has been elevated to god father type status. I blame the journalists and people who put style over substance..

[Mah'chew]

KLOX you are so wrong on this!

Blue Monday was produced by Steven Hague, although you did get one connection nearly right with the Jacko statement, Quincy Jones did a remix of Blue Monday.

The fact Arthur is not a musician lends no real credance to your statement and he did not work with the band until aptly enough, the single 'Confusion'. Then only lending his ears to the beats in order to give them a NYC flavor. He never gave them any melodies or played any instrument - he was a conductor at best!

Steven Hague went on to produce Peter Gabriel and the Pet Shop Boys.

Arthur bought a pub in Leeds and London, turned them into a pool bar, DJ's on XFM, is a great guy and still drinks with New Order.

You're well off the mark, which is strange, because you're normally on point.

Although I agree with the Elvis Costello statement, more middle-class rubbish

[ March 07, 2003, 04:01 AM: Message edited by: Mathius ]

[ngeso]

Originally posted by dannyboy:
Let's see: Shostakovich, Gershwin, Duke Ellington, Louie Armstrong, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd, Kraftwerk, Masters at Work... I think New Order is not quite in that group (and that's only those who became famous).actually Masters at Work are not in that group. i know you luv 'em :D (i know i do) but they're not that type of legend yet. regardless, MAW should only be inducted into a hall of fame if that hall of fame already honours New Order.

peace. ngeso.

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Artist of The Century = Louis Armstrong

[Magic Bird of Klox]

Originally posted by Mathius:
KLOX you are so wrong on this!

Blue Monday was produced by Steven Hague, although you did get one connection nearly right with the Jacko statement, Quincy Jones did a remix of Blue Monday.

The fact Arthur is not a musician lends no real credance to your statement and he did not work with the band until aptly enough, the single 'Confusion'. Then only lending his ears to the beats in order to give them a NYC flavor. He never gave them any melodies or played any instrument - he was a conductor at best!

Steven Hague went on to produce Peter Gabriel and the Pet Shop Boys.

Arthur bought a pub in Leeds and London, turned them into a pool bar, DJ's on XFM, is a great guy and still drinks with New Order.

You're well off the mark, which is strange, because you're normally on point.

Although I agree with the Elvis Costello statement, more middle-class rubbishI was pretty positve I read an interview with Arthur Baker in which he said he produced Blue Monday but didn't want his name on it because he thought it was a naff Hi Nrg record. I must be wrong, but that is what I remember. Maybe the journo got confused or wrote is in an unclear way. I know he did Confusion - which is more obviously his and John Robie's style. Personally, I wasn't such a big fan of that.

Whatever the case, I've always felt Blue Monday is a great "sounding" record, and on this track the production is as important as the musical elements. The beefy drums and general sonics of the song were what stood out to me about Blue Monday when I first heard it in a club. It made other records sound shit and light weight. Some of that must have been the band but alot of the credit must go to the producer, as nothing they had done before had sounded anything like that good.

[Marc Andre]

The article mentions Blue Monday as the top selling single of all time. I'm curious, does anyone know how many copies of Blue Monday have been sold?

[beemoe44]

I saw this CD by New Order,it`s called "Back to Mine".On the liner notes there`s a comment by one of the members of New Order,that complains about "the artifical division between hip-hop and house".Does anybody know who wrote that comment. I would like to write to that person.

[dj paradigm]

COME ON YA'LL...BOB MARLEY IS DE ARTIST OF DE 20TH CENTURY....WASN"T HIS ALBUM EXODUS AWARDED THE ALBUM OF THE CENTURY....WHAT A ****ING PITY...BOB MARLEY STILL GETS NO FCUKING AIRPLAY ON BLACK URBAN RADIO...."PLAY I ON THE R&B"

[beemoe44]

To Paradigm: To most young black folks Bob Marley is past tense, just like house, garage, disco, rock etc. Black "urban" radio is designed to play what young blacks want to hear. I like Marley myself but he was happening a long time ago.

Alot of people complain(house,rock,blues,jazz peeps) about the selections made by black stations because they`re not playing music they want to hear. This is at time when young blacks determine what`s cultural and what`s not. Many of these peeps realize that they need that powerful young black audience in order for their movements to work or have any credibility. They just don`t want to admit this. Check what I wrote above. The New Order person who was writing about that "artifical division between hip-hop(black,urban music) and house (white music) was saying what I`m talking about.

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by Magic Bird of Klox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mathius:
KLOX you are so wrong on this!

Blue Monday was produced by Steven Hague, although you did get one connection nearly right with the Jacko statement, Quincy Jones did a remix of Blue Monday.

The fact Arthur is not a musician lends no real credance to your statement and he did not work with the band until aptly enough, the single 'Confusion'. Then only lending his ears to the beats in order to give them a NYC flavor. He never gave them any melodies or played any instrument - he was a conductor at best!

Steven Hague went on to produce Peter Gabriel and the Pet Shop Boys.

Arthur bought a pub in Leeds and London, turned them into a pool bar, DJ's on XFM, is a great guy and still drinks with New Order.

You're well off the mark, which is strange, because you're normally on point.

Although I agree with the Elvis Costello statement, more middle-class rubbishI was pretty positve I read an interview with Arthur Baker in which he said he produced Blue Monday but didn't want his name on it because he thought it was a naff Hi Nrg record. I must be wrong, but that is what I remember. Maybe the journo got confused or wrote is in an unclear way. I know he did Confusion - which is more obviously his and John Robie's style. Personally, I wasn't such a big fan of that.

Whatever the case, I've always felt Blue Monday is a great "sounding" record, and on this track the production is as important as the musical elements. The beefy drums and general sonics of the song were what stood out to me about Blue Monday when I first heard it in a club. It made other records sound shit and light weight. Some of that must have been the band but alot of the credit must go to the producer, as nothing they had done before had sounded anything like that good. </font>[/QUOTE]No disrespect, they're boyhood hero's of mine, so was ready to get anal with it...

I think New Order liked messing with sequencers even when they were Joy Division - there is a lot of production there, but the band were involved at an early stage, I would argue that they could be great producers in their own right.

I can't take anything away from Arthur Baker (Confusion) and Jelly Bean (Bizzare Love Triangle) they gave their twist and gift.

I just thank New Order for trying to fuse all this great stuff together at the beginning of the eighties and can't believe that they are still pushing stuff out, they give respect to such diverse influences and gave everyone a good time with Hac lets face it (a few gangland fights put to one side).

smile.gif Blue Monday was in the top 100 in the UK for nearly 2.5 years if that helps anyone with the gravity of the sales of that record - not sure about the US, Japan or Europe - I believe it was a best seller there as well.

smile.gif In the linear notes there's a nice bit on there about Gergio Moroder and Donna Summer (Barney stating 'I Feel Love' as the most important record of all time). Also you have to take what they say with a pinch of salt, they're just a bunch of working-class northerners that found themselves in NYC at the whole hip-hop and house explosion, taking massive amounts of whatever Larry was having...cause their perception is going to be slightly jaded, but they never turned into twats!!!

[martin]

Personally I think they're seriously overrated. In that genre of music I would say Bowie was a much more influential, innovative and important artist. I liked Joy Division but not New Order.