A question for the DJs...

[HML]

Over the past year or so I've spent a lot of time at various House sites and message boards. It's pretty obvious that there are many, many House DJs online. I notice that many DJs post mixes regularly, some sporadicly and others not at all. I'm just curious... DJs, what are the deciding factors that come into play when you choose, or choose not, to post mixes on the web?

Peace,
HML

[javasoul]

i donno but some cool cat offered to make me a website the other day so i sent him all the info i had (outdated Bio, dates, etc) along with some mixes.
you can check it out at:

http://amir.pulsation.com

;)

[JMJ]

Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif

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Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif I second that.

[HML]

Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif JMJ,
Thanks for your candor and honesty... Interestingly, you are one of the DJs I had in mind when I asked this question! I read about your parties in Chicago all the time but, I can't come because I'm in NY. I'm very curious to hear a sample of your style! Put somethin' up so I can check you out!! smile.gif

Peace,
HML

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif I second that. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for your support.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif

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Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif I second that. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for your support.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Easy there, Bartles and James. ;)

[JMJ]

Originally posted by HML:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif JMJ,
Thanks for your candor and honesty... Interestingly, you are one of the DJs I had in mind when I asked this question! I read about your parties in Chicago all the time but, I can't come because I'm in NY. I'm very curious to hear a sample of your style! Put somethin' up so I can check you out!! smile.gif

Peace,
HML </font>[/QUOTE]I need to lock myself in the lab for about a week.....JMJ graemlins/grinyes.gif

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif I second that. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for your support.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Easy there, Bartles and James. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Whatever happened to them??.....JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif

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Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Laziness on my part......JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif I second that. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for your support.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Easy there, Bartles and James. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Whatever happened to them??.....JMJ graemlins/conf44.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I think the fat guy died. After that they stopped making those commercials. I'm not really sure though. graemlins/conf44.gif

[MusicFilter]

I have a page on djcentral. I've paid my money to download my mixes, but don't know how. graemlins/conf44.gif There are some requirements to download them there, but I can't seem to get any help.

:rolleyes: If there is anyone out there who has a page on djcentral and knows how to download mixes on that site, please let me know.

Yo Part Sixx if you're out there maybe you can help me. I found out about this site from you.

[Barrie Moodswing]

Just send your mixes to me and i'll post them on my site www.unheardhousedjs.co.uk. (http://www.unheardhousedjs.co.uk.) graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[DJJM3.COM]

Time and money......If I post a mix on a my website. You will download and burn a copy on CD verses paying me for a mix(money).....

Time..... it takes time to encode and upload a mix to my website................

[JMJ]

Originally posted by DJ JM3:
Time and money......If I post a mix on a my website. You will download and burn a copy on CD verses paying me for a mix(money).....

Time..... it takes time to encode and upload a mix to my website................ If making a mix is strictly about money, then don't do it.....JMJ graemlins/nono.gif

[blackwax]

i love doing mix cd's and often do one once a week
never pre planned just hit record and give em out sometimes they are messy but i give em out anyway the mixin don't have to be tight its just something i like to do!!

so there are no real deciding factors just music i like smile.gif

although they do tend to be new releases only
I realy need to play some old stuff to show more variation but i never seem to get my a** into gear on that graemlins/conf44.gif

[ May 27, 2003, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: blackwax ]

[Barrie Moodswing]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ JM3:
Time and money......If I post a mix on a my website. You will download and burn a copy on CD verses paying me for a mix(money).....

Time..... it takes time to encode and upload a mix to my website................ If making a mix is strictly about money, then don't do it.....JMJ graemlins/nono.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Totally agree JMJ, I try and get all DJ's heard i'm just really a place to post mixes, it costs me money to keep the site up and running and also quite a bit of my time too....What do I get in return, well thats easy great music and I get to listen to the mixes first
:D

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by JMJ:
If making a mix is strictly about money, then don't do it.....JMJ graemlins/nono.gif Its not strictly for money, but its time AND money. If I was making money on production then I could put more mixes up.

I devoted alot of time toward mastering production, as well as the OSNS mixes.

JMJ, and Barry I understand your point but, it cost me money to keep mysite, equipment, and records current. Its cool to do things for the "love of the game", but if you can't pay the electric bill to power up the equipment to listen to it-Whats a guy to do?

If my Power gets shut off, will you let me come over so I can make and post mixes for free? :D biggrinangel.gif icon_rofl.gif keep in mind I am being sarcastic................

[ May 27, 2003, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: DJ JM3 ]

[Edmund White]

In my case, I started out posting Real Audio mixes online. Due to the interest generated by those mixes, I began selling CD's in record stores, eBay and from my website (http://djedwhite.com/mixes). As CD sales ramped-up, I decided to make everything available in mp3 format as well. It's a customer satisfaction thing. Yes, people leech from my site (overseas listeners, in particular), but I think that the folks that download my mp3's and STILL buy my 8-CD box-set really care to own my mixes. I've had mp3's online for a year now. On average, people download about 1.2 gigabytes-per-day from http://djedwhite.com . Recently, it's been about 3 gigs-per-day, due to a number of German leechers....

In general, I think DJ's should post their music on the web. You wouldn't believe how many people ask me about where and how to find Chicago house music online. Looking at my website's statistics, I see SO many Google queries for "chicago house DJ" (http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=chicago+house+dj&btnG=Google+Search) and the like...

Right now, I'm still in the process of mastering a new CD. (grrr, waiting for my new Waves plugins) I've placed it online for people in it's rough state because I know someone out there will enjoy it. It's about sharing.

Take a listen at:
http://djedwhite.com/mp3/5.25.03.mp3

[Edmund White]

Oh, and as for hosting space, I run my own server hosted at my office (I'm in IT), so if anyone needs mp3 space only (not website hosting), hit me up.

[MusicFilter]

Originally posted by Barrie' Moodswing' McFarlane:
Just send your mixes to me and i'll post them on my site www.unheardhousedjs.co.uk. (http://www.unheardhousedjs.co.uk.) graemlins/thumbsup.gif How do I do that. I have several mixes on CDs. Please send me a PM and I'll send you a mix when I get home from work.

[HML]

Thanks for your collective inputs... Now, a very serious question. We have now crossed the line into ethics. I wholeheartedly agree that a DJ should be paid for his/her time and effort. I'm sure that a lot of time, effort and cash goes into the craft/art of deejaying. I know there are unending expenditures for equipment and music. You have to practice to keep your skills honed. You have to hustle to get gigs and exposure. I understand all that and I truly applaud those efforts. Here's where I beg to differ. The ARTISTS and PRODUCERS are the ones who own the songs, correct? So, although a DJ made the mix, how can he expect to "sell" music that he does not own the rights to? An honest, hard question, no disrespect intended towards anyone...

Peace,
HML

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by HML:
Thanks for your collective inputs... Now, a very serious question. We have now crossed the line into ethics. I wholeheartedly agree that a DJ should be paid for his/her time and effort. I'm sure that a lot of time, effort and cash goes into the craft/art of deejaying. I know there are unending expenditures for equipment and music. You have to practice to keep your skills honed. You have to hustle to get gigs and exposure. I understand all that and I truly applaud those efforts. Here's where I beg to differ. The ARTISTS and PRODUCERS are the ones who own the songs, correct? So, although a DJ made the mix, how can he expect to "sell" music that he does not own the rights to? An honest, hard question, no disrespect intended towards anyone...

Peace,
HML Well the DJ is more of a "service provider" and he is just getting paid for cover expenses. of production......Most of the time its in a mix and if the person wants the full version they buy the artist's CD.......

[Edmund White]

Well, as much as I like, say, Paul Johnson.... I don't think that listening to "Get Down" by itself is much of a thrill.... That's where the DJ comes in. I've put a lot of work into promotion, web programming, audio equipment (ProTools, my Macintosh, that $1200 vinyl restoration plug-in). The market is oversaturated with DJ's, and gigs are scarce. The reward for making this music available to people is the fact that the CD's and production costs pay for themselves. Everything I make from CD sales goes back into the music or the server maintenance or labels, printer ink, packaging....

I think the difference is that dance/house compilations are a necessary part of the production cycle. Tracks don't get discovered on their own. They are usally part of a mix. Now, compilations of mainstream music (like, "Now that's what I call Music") are just collections. They pay HEAVY licensing for those tracks. That makes sense, as that series actually dips into the artist's record sales. It's not that way in the electronica world. I doubt that I'm harming Green Velvet's record sales by including one of his tracks on my Techno-House CD.

[And]

How does a mix posted? What determines if you get posted on this board? Is it all at Gman and the mixers discretion?
Same question for those of you that post mixes onto your sites. For what reasons would you not post a mix?

[HML]

Originally posted by ewwhite:
Well, as much as I like, say, Paul Johnson.... I don't think that listening to "Get Down" by itself is much of a thrill.... That's where the DJ comes in. I've put a lot of work into promotion, web programming, audio equipment (ProTools, my Macintosh, that $1200 vinyl restoration plug-in). The market is oversaturated with DJ's, and gigs are scarce. The reward for making this music available to people is the fact that the CD's and production costs pay for themselves. Everything I make from CD sales goes back into the music or the server maintenance or labels, printer ink, packaging....

I think the difference is that dance/house compilations are a necessary part of the production cycle. Tracks don't get discovered on their own. They are usally part of a mix. Now, compilations of mainstream music (like, "Now that's what I call Music") are just collections. They pay HEAVY licensing for those tracks. That makes sense, as that series actually dips into the artist's record sales. It's not that way in the electronica world. I doubt that I'm harming Green Velvet's record sales by including one of his tracks on my Techno-House CD. Well said ewwhite!! Your response is exactly the type of insight I was looking for. You've helped me gain a much better understanding of the promotion of dance/electronic/underground music! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/coolgleamA.gif Sincere thanks... smile.gif

-HML

[sammyrock]

The music site thing is just as saturated as there are djs now.I love posting mixes,not only my own but others as well.I wish I could post all 5,000 mixes Ive done but space cost money,if someone request a mix from OUR site,then Ill make a special copy,the person (If they wish)can make a contribution but for a small contribution I send them an x-tra 2 to 3 cds,so I think its worth it,to cover the cost of Vinyl,cd cases,cd labels etc.I get complaints that I rotate my mixes to quick,but its just me..lol I love to share music and I hope someday house-lovers can really appeciate the music we share.I have A ghetto site,no fancy flash,or effects,its straight to the sets,I dunno how peeps may feel about that.Peace to you all.God Bless. www.sammyrockmusic.org (http://www.sammyrockmusic.org) smile.gif

[JMJ]

Originally posted by 6 23:
How does a mix posted? What determines if you get posted on this board? Is it all at Gman and the mixers discretion?
Same question for those of you that post mixes onto your sites. For what reasons would you not post a mix? It's usually decided by G-Man and different segments of the House Music Mafia. Background checks are usually conducted, along with extensive psychological testing......JMJ biggrinangel.gif

[Austin/Dallas]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
How does a mix posted? What determines if you get posted on this board? Is it all at Gman and the mixers discretion?
Same question for those of you that post mixes onto your sites. For what reasons would you not post a mix? It's usually decided by G-Man and different segments of the House Music Mafia. Background checks are usually conducted, along with extensive psychological testing......JMJ biggrinangel.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Good one JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Austin/Dallas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
How does a mix posted? What determines if you get posted on this board? Is it all at Gman and the mixers discretion?
Same question for those of you that post mixes onto your sites. For what reasons would you not post a mix? It's usually decided by G-Man and different segments of the House Music Mafia. Background checks are usually conducted, along with extensive psychological testing......JMJ biggrinangel.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Good one JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif </font>[/QUOTE]What? Like I make this stuff up??.....JMJ graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[DJJM3.COM]

No one likes simplicity anymore...........

[Edmund White]

*cough* I can't get my mixes on this site *cough*

[JMJ]

Originally posted by ewwhite:
*cough* I can't get my mixes on this site *cough* I hope it wasn't those Rorshok tests that did you in....JMJ

[DJJM3.COM]

Originally posted by ewwhite:

I think the difference is that dance/house compilations are a necessary part of the production cycle. Tracks don't get discovered on their own. They are usally part of a mix. Now, compilations of mainstream music (like, "Now that's what I call Music") are just collections. They pay HEAVY licensing for those tracks. That makes sense, as that series actually dips into the artist's record sales. It's not that way in the electronica world. I doubt that I'm harming Green Velvet's record sales by including one of his tracks on my Techno-House CD. [/QUOTE]

I'm gonna have to correct the compilation issue.... There are compliations but there are none released in the U.S.
It can effect artist sales from the stand point if you buy the mix CD and dont buy the artist Album it will hurt.
The Underground music market is not geared to the American consumer because there are no CD releases, so it hurts even more..........

[Cleo Khary]

for me it has been part procrastination (a big word for lazy) and lack of technical knowledge as to how to upload the mixes. Recently though one of my mixes and a bio/interview was added to an awsome site for showcasing house talent (especially local talent) in the Baltimor/DC area. The site is www.blackbookscafe.com (http://www.blackbookscafe.com) . You can hear one of my mixes by clicking on the link contained in my signature below or by visiting the web page. I will be listed as DJ Cleo Khary.

Peace

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by 6 23:
How does a mix posted? What determines if you get posted on this board? Is it all at Gman and the mixers discretion?
Same question for those of you that post mixes onto your sites. For what reasons would you not post a mix? Posting mixes on this site is by invitation. I send people an email inviting them to submit a mix to the site. However I don't know how Timmy does the "Timmy Richardson" presents section. The only reason I would not post a mix that I asked someone to send me is because of really poor sound quality.

-G

[ May 27, 2003, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Gman ]

[Elbert Phillips]

Originally posted by HML:
Over the past year or so I've spent a lot of time at various House sites and message boards. It's pretty obvious that there are many, many House DJs online. I notice that many DJs post mixes regularly, some sporadicly and others not at all. I'm just curious... DJs, what are the deciding factors that come into play when you choose, or choose not, to post mixes on the web?

Peace,
HML When I submit music to DHP, I feel as though I'm making a statement. I don't need to make a statement every month, once in awhile is good enough plus, I consider the fact that Gman probably gets a BILLION mixes a day; I don't know how much time it takes for him to do the whole process. Thanks G for showin' love

[däp]

Originally posted by javasoul:
i donno but some cool cat offered to make me a website the other day so i sent him all the info i had (outdated Bio, dates, etc) along with some mixes.
you can check it out at:

http://amir.pulsation.com

;) nice! really nice!

[däp]

i tend to post mixes less regularly when i'm playing out consistently. otherwise, i have more time on my hands.

[And]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
How does a mix posted? What determines if you get posted on this board? Is it all at Gman and the mixers discretion?
Same question for those of you that post mixes onto your sites. For what reasons would you not post a mix? Posting mixes on this site is by invitation. I send people an email inviting them to submit a mix to the site. However I don't know how Timmy does the "Timmy Richardson" presents section. The only reason I would not post a mix that I asked someone to send me is because of really poor sound quality.

-G </font>[/QUOTE]I see ...
How many submissions would you say you get in an average month? People can't/don't just send you mixes for your review? Is poor sound quality the only reason you wouldn't post a mix? Say you really hated all the songs on a mix ... I mean HATED ... but it was technically sound and a good c.d. but you just HATED all the songs ... would you still post? How many mixes do you post a month? How do you determine what gets posted and when? Have you ever changed your mind about posting a mix? How did the yes/no affect the dj?
Sorry ... a gazillion questions ... I'm just curious 'cause I've been going through the mixes like crazy and realizing I have a ton of catching up to do. smile.gif

[Savoir-Faire]

Originally posted by chgodj3:
I have a page on djcentral. I've paid my money to download my mixes, but don't know how. graemlins/conf44.gif There are some requirements to download them there, but I can't seem to get any help.

:rolleyes: If there is anyone out there who has a page on djcentral and knows how to download mixes on that site, please let me know.

Yo Part Sixx if you're out there maybe you can help me. I found out about this site from you. Check your pm, please.
graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[DJ George Bates]

it's funny but i actually also recorded more mixes when i wasn't playing out regularly..Now that i do ...i tend to block time to actually record a mix....

I enjoy the simple " damn ..that's nice " that someone hearing one of my mixex can bring ...Not being funny... but Discogoddess and I are cool because she enjoyed a mix of mine she heard.... never met or spoke to her but she is a cool person and it started from a mix that i did that was heard by her...

The cost of records, equipt. , ect... i spend because I love what i do.. If i played for free ( which I sometimes do....I'm playing Slick's tonight for free for my guy Brian )...I'd still do it. my 2 cents... smile.gif

[Edmund White]

It's harder to make money mixing these days. At my peak in the rave boom (97-00), I could easily get $400 for an hour-long gig. Now, I struggle to play for free. Some stuff is for fun, though. I'm playing WNUR 89.3FM in Chicago next week. That's a fun station....