Total War...

[Hk]

If according to Hans Speier, "total war, more than in any type of restricted war, there is a need for understanding the momentous events as a moral drama. The enemy's cause is evil, and every individual member of the enemy nation seems to share in it", is correct......brace yourself for a sharp rise in insecurity, regardless of who is president.

Speier further states, "One's own cause appears good regardless of the fact that the very business of war requires the use of means which, taken as such, are cruel in nature".......

[mirror view anyone]..... :rolleyes:

[Brut by Faberge]

Nice, Hk...and I'd be interested in any links you have on this type of thing.

I've been thinking alot lately about those easily sythesized bonds of a society (you can't get more disjointed than the US), as created by a government that focuses not on its own merits and goals, but rather on the supposed misdeeds of any goverment that counters its ideals.

For example, what is the real inherent harm of a government that operates as a theocracy, other than the fact that the religion by which it abides differs from that of "America"?

[Hk]

Sorry, this stuff is out of a book. Good supposition I might add..

Hans Speier, "The Truth in Hell and Other Essays on Politics and Culture, 1935-1987" is the title (Oxford University Press).

I guess the deep intellectual underlying issue, which, I am sure doesnt escape others, is that the hidden/latent meaning of democracy connotes "freedom for the people"...not another country's ideal of it (especially when this same country.. :rolleyes: ..doesnt practice it...(as seen in the last presedential election, I shall keep referring too).....whistling... :rolleyes:

A minister", I need to add, states "And these were once God's children. When you forget that men are God's children then you have reached the end".

.... :rolleyes: .... :(

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So what's your point? what's your take on this?

[Hk]

...do the math, 1+1=...??...

Bright burning truths are not difficult to see at all, you just gotta open your eyes...AND, as
the mass cliche goes, open your mind too.

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by Hk:
...do the math, 1+1=...??...

Bright burning truths are not difficult to see at all, you just gotta open your eyes...AND, as
the mass cliche goes, open your mind too. with all due respect, almost nothing you have ever posted has been clear and direct. Maybe I'm not getting you, which is why I asked for some clarification.

I am asking just to understand your interpretion of the quote and how it applies to our current world situation. You posted it. Is it not worth further discussion?

[Linedog]

Originally posted by Hk:

Speier further states, "One's own cause appears good regardless of the fact that the very business of war requires the use of means which, taken as such, are cruel in nature".......

[mirror view anyone]..... :rolleyes: What war IS NOT cruel in nature? The rumor of CYBER WAR is greatly exaggerated!!

:(

[Linedog]

Originally posted by Hk:
doesnt practice it...(as seen in the last presedential election, I shall keep referring too).....whistling... :rolleyes:


.... :rolleyes: .... :( I think we can dig up better instances for this proclamation, than the inconsistencies of the Electoral College.

:(

[Hk]

(why try to keep reading unclear messages then...???..... :rolleyes: )
Okey-dokey....here goes....if the 1st quote is correct and upon considerable reflection it is, then ultimately your president's phrase "Axis of Evil" is the stage set for this "moral drama" which Speier said long ago.

1+1= All people of Islamic belief and/or those who dont support US interests are evil...simple.

I now point you back to your local/national/international mass media, so you can hold that statement up to what you see and hear......still not clear....can you say f-a-c-i-s-m.(in the guise of democracy).

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[Hk]

Hey Linedog, how about the "war" on poverty or drugs......aint shit being done.... smile.gif

For another instances of America not even being a democracy yet, u asked.

Try this for a spin....if democracy means that members of a given society control the political machine under which they live, then I am sure the mass sentiment toward this concept is quite misunderstood or overlooked.....I am seriously pondering how many feel that they control, whether partial or direct, the political cog?...(2 out 5 million)...

As for your voting issue:

"To vote is not necessarily to be politically involved; nor failure to vote to be politically alienated. Perhaps as high as 80 percent of those who do vote feel they owe it to their families' tradition of voting one way or the other......it is the 50 million who do not vote who determine the outcomes as much as those who do(vote)."(C. Mills, White Collar, 1951).

[Linedog]

Originally posted by Hk:
Hey Linedog, how about the "war" on poverty or drugs......aint shit being done.... smile.gif
As a matter of fact this is the most cruel of all. talk about giving to the poor a fair share. I grew up in the ghetto all I saw was cheese. CHEESE and that we sold for change. While we hear of outrageous spending on things like $100 toilet seats and $500 hammers. Show me the shit. and where is it being done? Public schools in the poor neighborhoods are a joke. How are we to build on that? ..... Sorry ranting and raving mad1.gif but I concede the point :D



For another instances of America not even being a democracy yet, u asked.

Try this for a spin....if democracy means that members of a given society control the political machine under which they live, then I am sure the mass sentiment toward this concept is quite misunderstood or overlooked.....I am seriously pondering how many feel that they control, whether partial or direct, the political cog?...(2 out 5 million)...


If the society at large doesn't grasp the concept of reprensentation and are alienated. How are they to know that such things are possible in the world presented to them? I can hear a thousand voices 'Huh? I didn't know" Ok now what? "Huh? sorry I'll miss Jerry Springer"



As for your voting issue:

"To vote is not necessarily to be politically involved; nor failure to vote to be politically alienated. Perhaps as high as 80 percent of those who do vote feel they owe it to their families' tradition of voting one way or the other......it is the 50 million who do not vote who determine the outcomes as much as those who do(vote)."(C. Mills, White Collar, 1951). AMEN!

Don't all jump on me at once. biggrinangel.gif

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