the real story about Satellite

[scottsatellite]

So here's the real deal about Satellite from one of the owners:

We're not closing anything. We have had a few rough months financially, things are looking up for the future.
We are putting all our efforts to continually improve what we have to offer and give dance music the best outlet possible.

You may not know Jonathan (Satellite's other owner) or myself, but if you did you would know that we have invested our lives into this music and are willing and able to weather the storms with the changing economy, the problem of people illegally downloading music - stealing from the artist, label and stores, and the changing tastes in society as a whole.
This music is what I have dedicated my life to and I don't plan on going anywhere else other than Satellite for a really long time.

Rumors and inuendo do nothing to strenthen this scene, they do not create a healthy atmosphere for those newly interested in dance music nor does it help this industry on any level.
As everyone well knows, many stores have closed, labels out of business, and producers have given up producing and gone into other jobs instead.
We should put our energies toward creating positive energy in the scene and generating new interest and having the world understand what great music this is.

Thank you for all the support everyone has given.

[Raven Fox]

graemlins/thumbsup.gif good job Scotty & Jon!
and thanks for hanging in there!
All the best of success in the future.

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[ May 29, 2003, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Raven Fox ]

[JMJ]

Good luck....JMJ smile.gif

[Austin/Dallas]

I'm A consultant with AOL and there are someways to protect yourself

Would you like a lil info on current piracy protection software and?

[daniel]

Originally posted by Austin/Dallas:
I'm A consultant with AOL oh, that's too bad.

[mangina]

Thanks for the info Scott but here is a couple of questions for you.
You company has been accused of not supporting a lot of parties that play music that is ultimately sold in your store and on your website.
As we are all having a bad time of it would it not help you and the industry in general id Satellite made more of a presence at parties and on flyers OTHER than Trance events??

The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation??

[Austin/Dallas]

Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Austin/Dallas:
I'm A consultant with AOL oh, that's too bad. </font>[/QUOTE]Not really$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
partna'

[Nicholas]

Originally posted by mangina:
Thanks for the info Scott but here is a couple of questions for you.
You company has been accused of not supporting a lot of parties that play music that is ultimately sold in your store and on your website.
As we are all having a bad time of it would it not help you and the industry in general id Satellite made more of a presence at parties and on flyers OTHER than Trance events??

The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation?? gee! is it possible you might have beef?

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Good to hear this news cause I buy my records there too. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[Bill Blake]

I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music.

[Nicholas]

I like Satellite.

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by mangina:
Thanks for the info Scott but here is a couple of questions for you.
You company has been accused of not supporting a lot of parties that play music that is ultimately sold in your store and on your website.
As we are all having a bad time of it would it not help you and the industry in general id Satellite made more of a presence at parties and on flyers OTHER than Trance events??

The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation?? All they said was that they are not going out of
business. Why does Satellite have to sponsor parties?? To who go the benefits?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mangina:
Thanks for the info Scott but here is a couple of questions for you.
You company has been accused of not supporting a lot of parties that play music that is ultimately sold in your store and on your website.
As we are all having a bad time of it would it not help you and the industry in general id Satellite made more of a presence at parties and on flyers OTHER than Trance events??

The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation?? All they said was that they are not going out of
business. Why does Satellite have to sponsor parties?? To who go the benefits? </font>[/QUOTE]Word

Its their business, they can do what they want to with it.

[ May 29, 2003, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[Doug]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. You also have no conclusive proof that it isn't a major factor in recent slumps. In other words, shut up.

[SuzanneT]

Originally posted by Austin/Dallas:
I'm A consultant with AOL and there are someways to protect yourself

Would you like a lil info on current piracy protection software and? I wanna be like you when i grow up!!!!!

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Doug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. You also have no conclusive proof that it isn't a major factor in recent slumps. In other words, shut up. </font>[/QUOTE]http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~asbond/oh_snap.gif

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Doug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. You also have no conclusive proof that it isn't a major factor in recent slumps. In other words, shut up. </font>[/QUOTE]Listen http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/gaychords.gif

I didnt make the argument that it was not the case unlike others who make the case that it is.

SO YOU SHUT UP!

[drilla]

hahaha@doug's teeth

[statuskuo]

ahhaahahhaahaaa

[Bill Blake]

ahaha ha ha ha hah ah@ all the ah ha ha ha ha-ing

[Doug]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Doug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. You also have no conclusive proof that it isn't a major factor in recent slumps. In other words, shut up. </font>[/QUOTE]Listen http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/gaychords.gif

I didnt make the argument that it was not the case unlike others who make the case that it is.

SO YOU SHUT UP! </font>[/QUOTE]Download my Miracle Whip beeyatch.

[Bill Blake]

OH MY GOD!

The shadow! Mad Miracle Whip ****ing genius!

HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!

[statuskuo]

lookslike the pillsbury doghboy has possessed the characteur of Doug Smith (check the shadow)
http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/gaychords.gif http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/gaychords.gif

[ May 29, 2003, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: statuskuo ]

[falko]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. while there might not be conclusive proof (is there ever?), i would find it laughable if you truly believed it to be a mere coincidence that music sales started declining ~10% per year at exactly the same time that napster and other file-sharing services hit the mainstream!

that's a bit much...

[Linedog]

Originally posted by mangina:
Thanks for the info Scott but here is a couple of questions for you.
You company has been accused of not supporting a lot of parties that play music that is ultimately sold in your store and on your website.
As we are all having a bad time of it would it not help you and the industry in general id Satellite made more of a presence at parties and on flyers OTHER than Trance events??

The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation?? I also have heard something along the same thread and would be interested in hearing
the other side of the story.
graemlins/conf44.gif

[statuskuo]

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[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
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[drilla]

Originally posted by falko:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. while there might not be conclusive proof (is there ever?), i would find it laughable if you truly believed it to be a mere coincidence that music sales started declining ~10% per year at exactly the same time that napster and other file-sharing services hit the mainstream!

that's a bit much... </font>[/QUOTE]we are passed that.

i think the big question here is does doug's shadow really look like the stay-puft marshmallow man or not.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by falko:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. while there might not be conclusive proof (is there ever?), i would find it laughable if you truly believed it to be a mere coincidence that music sales started declining ~10% per year at exactly the same time that napster and other file-sharing services hit the mainstream!

that's a bit much... </font>[/QUOTE]Remind me to never hire you for my research team.

NOW

Back to bashing Doug please.

[TAD]

everyone at work feels downloading free music is acceptable behavior. they see nothing wrong with it & seem surprised when i tell them it's illegal.

[statuskuo]

Apple's ITune will go under in no time.

[daniel]

do you do your civic duty and place them under citizen's arrest? oh wait, do they have that in canada?

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest!

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
everyone at work feels downloading free music is acceptable behavior. they see nothing wrong with it & seem surprised when i tell them it's illegal. Until the artists become the main benefactors of the business I cannot feel bad about music being downloaded. They been stealing from my peoples for years.

[The Donger]

I'm the best employee you ever ****ing had!

[Bougie Soliterre]

that McDouggles pic is the best EVER.

genius

[The Donger]

Scott, please tell me more about unity within the scene, and it's correlation to crushing "competing" record stores?

[drilla]

Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
everyone at work feels downloading free music is acceptable behavior. they see nothing wrong with it & seem surprised when i tell them it's illegal. Until the artists become the main benefactors of the business I cannot feel bad about music being downloaded. They been stealing from my peoples for years. </font>[/QUOTE]*serious matt in effect*

dude! that aint right. the artists singed the deal...they knew what they were doing when they got involved. this does not rationalize stealing music, imo, of course.

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by daniel:

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest! eh hoser?

you're the kind of dude who brings his skis up here in the summer.

[drilla]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Scott, please tell me more about unity within the scene, and it's correlation to crushing "competing" record stores? hahaha@your deep love for this man.

[TAD]

Originally posted by http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/uphill.gif :
do you do your civic duty and place them under citizen's arrest? oh wait, do they have that in canada?

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest! i'm compiling data for Lennox's research team. now kindly **** off mr "i'm in love with elvis's dead dick"

[TAD]

Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
everyone at work feels downloading free music is acceptable behavior. they see nothing wrong with it & seem surprised when i tell them it's illegal. Until the artists become the main benefactors of the business I cannot feel bad about music being downloaded. They been stealing from my peoples for years. </font>[/QUOTE]tell that to dougles

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/uphill.gif :
do you do your civic duty and place them under citizen's arrest? oh wait, do they have that in canada?

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest! i'm compiling data for Lennox's research team. now kindly **** off mr "i'm in love with elvis's dead dick" </font>[/QUOTE]Tony wouldnt you agree that the 'All I want for Christmans is my two front teeth' song is a conspiracy song written by adults to trick kids into not wanting presents because their parents are cheap bastards?

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
everyone at work feels downloading free music is acceptable behavior. they see nothing wrong with it & seem surprised when i tell them it's illegal. Until the artists become the main benefactors of the business I cannot feel bad about music being downloaded. They been stealing from my peoples for years. </font>[/QUOTE]tell that to dougles </font>[/QUOTE]The point being, most artists have a notion of getting "paid" which they may have learned from seeing some bling blingin'. This is a perpetually futile argument. If the record companies came down on Album (CD duhhh) prices maybe people would buy...
Also...I pay for 12" singles.
This is like bars being fined for smoking patrons...

[SuzanneT]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. Im with you Jamie, because there was a study done of "filesharers" and the majority of people (90%) go out and buy the music after they download it. I believe the real reason music sales are suffering is that the product being put out is shitty (house music excluded of course biggrinangel.gif ). Who wants to spend 20 bucks 1 halfway decent record and 13 others that suck?

[Bougie Soliterre]

I believe the real reason music sales are suffering is that the product being put out is shitty (house music excluded of course biggrinangel.gif ). [/QB]house music included.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. Im with you Jamie, because there was a study done of "filesharers" and the majority of people (90%) go out and buy the music after they download it. I believe the real reason music sales are suffering is that the product being put out is shitty (house music excluded of course biggrinangel.gif ). Who wants to spend 20 bucks 1 halfway decent record and 13 others that suck? </font>[/QUOTE]Im not quite sure whether it is seriously effecting the sales or not yet.

The little research that has been posted here in the past or that I have read has serious flaws in it because it does not conrtrol for certain variables that need be, does include the longitudinal analysis (comparason of slumps in the past and measuring factors that were prevelant then and now or not) and whether or not some things can even be measured and if so creative ways that might be able to measure difficult things.

[ May 29, 2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[danny webb]

@ Scottsatellite, why don't you earn yourself a buck, and answer my email?

[TAD]

is downloading free music helping to increase record sales?

[danny webb]

I think it increases 'good' record sales.

[TAD]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/uphill.gif :
do you do your civic duty and place them under citizen's arrest? oh wait, do they have that in canada?

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest! i'm compiling data for Lennox's research team. now kindly **** off mr "i'm in love with elvis's dead dick" </font>[/QUOTE]Tony wouldnt you agree that the 'All I want for Christmans is my two front teeth' song is a conspiracy song written by adults to trick kids into not wanting presents because their parents are cheap bastards? </font>[/QUOTE]which version?

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by falko:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
I still have yet to see ANY conclusive PROOF that a MAJOR factor in recent slumps in record sales is the result of downloading music. while there might not be conclusive proof (is there ever?), i would find it laughable if you truly believed it to be a mere coincidence that music sales started declining ~10% per year at exactly the same time that napster and other file-sharing services hit the mainstream!

that's a bit much... </font>[/QUOTE]I don't know. One could argue that it drives sales as much as hurting sale. Kind of the same way Radio does. I mean you could just recor the new 50cent song off the radio. Nohwahimeehn.

[TAD]

someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording.

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. does that qualify for a citizen's arrest?

[drilla]

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. does that qualify for a citizen's arrest? </font>[/QUOTE]i had a dream that you arrested me, bougie.

it was hot!

[jillbee]

Originally posted by mangina:
The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation?? I dunno about the former but, I don't know too many people who do not gripe about former places of employment...

[TAD]

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. does that qualify for a citizen's arrest? </font>[/QUOTE]i think got the bug was in there

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. does that qualify for a citizen's arrest? </font>[/QUOTE]i think got the bug was in there </font>[/QUOTE]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

[ May 29, 2003, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: Bougie Soliterre ]

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. Yeah but for every one of those you have people like me who download songs to hear them first. Then I run out and buy the 12" I like. I don't mix with cds so they are useless to me ater I hear the songs.

[falko]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. exactly.

it just seems like common sense... if a product is available for free AND it is as easy to get and of the same value to you as the store-bought product AND you do not have moral qualms about not paying for it... a lot of people are going to take the free product!! in the case of music, sure, not everyone takes the free product because (a) it is not as easy to get, (b) it is not of same quality (track listing, format, etc.), and (c) some have moral issues... but i don't see how you could think a lot of people wouldn't opt for the free downloads...

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by falko:

it just seems like common sense... if a product is available for free AND it is as easy to get and of the same value to you as the store-bought product AND you do not have moral qualms about not paying for it... a lot of people are going to take the free product!!Aye, there's the rub...most MP3s are NOT high-quality. Many are poorly-encoded, and "jitter" creeps in as you're downloading them. Try playing a burned CD-R of MP3s on a high-end system at any significant volume and see what happens...

[falko]

but eargasm - you would have bought those 12"s anyway, so your purchases do not make up for those that are lost

and jimmymack - most don't care so much about quality, and listen to music on their computers or in discmans or cars, etc., rather than high-end stereos

[Doug]

Originally posted by 1343:
Until the artists become the main benefactors of the business I cannot feel bad about music being downloaded. They been stealing from my peoples for years. [/QB]Wha?????? You gotta come better than that Cheddi.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by falko:
but eargasm - you would have bought those 12"s anyway, so your purchases do not make up for those that are lost

and jimmymack - most don't care so much about quality, and listen to music on their computers or in discmans or cars, etc., rather than high-end stereos Not necessarily. There are a lot of tunes that I have come accross on soulseek. That I had never heard before. By typing in the artist, pruducer, or label in a search I have come across a lot of stuff that I have purchased that I might have otherwise not been exposed to.

[mangina]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mangina:
Thanks for the info Scott but here is a couple of questions for you.
You company has been accused of not supporting a lot of parties that play music that is ultimately sold in your store and on your website.
As we are all having a bad time of it would it not help you and the industry in general id Satellite made more of a presence at parties and on flyers OTHER than Trance events??

The other problem as I am hearing is that a lot of your ex-staff who many are in the industry have a bad tale to tell about the structure of Satellite and how staff are treated. Could you comment on why there is so much bad feeling from all of your ex-employees and what is being done to improve this situation?? gee! is it possible you might have beef? </font>[/QUOTE]No Nicholas I have NO BEEF with satellite. Simply asking some questions which have yet to be answered. Many of my friends have worked for Satellite and they all have beef. I was curious as tyo what the other side of that story would be.
inquiring minds want to know, if you get mt drift.

[ May 29, 2003, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: mangina ]

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
OH MY GOD!

The shadow! Mad Miracle Whip ****ing genius!

HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AHAHA!!!!!! its look like stay puff marshmallow boy

[daniel]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by http://www.statuskuo.com/ikonboard/emoticons/uphill.gif :
do you do your civic duty and place them under citizen's arrest? oh wait, do they have that in canada?

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest! i'm compiling data for Lennox's research team. now kindly **** off mr "i'm in love with elvis's dead dick" </font>[/QUOTE]stop sweatin' me, mckenzie.

[daniel]

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daniel:

eh hoser, you're under hoose arrest! eh hoser?

you're the kind of dude who brings his skis up here in the summer. </font>[/QUOTE]this is my last weekend before i put them away.

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[O'love]

Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
someone i know has downloaded over 3000 songs since napster. he's yet to buy one cd. the technology makes it a lot easier to get more music in less time than the conventional method of tape recording. so this person is exposed to much more new music than he would be in the past, which *can* be a good thing for record-sales, although the person you mention probably would *never* buy music in the stores anyway, so no profit lost there..

we put out music we also sell on vinyl in high-quality MP3s on our label-website..... i honestly don't think we will loose any sales from doing that..

Olaf (www.springcollective.com)

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by Doug:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
Until the artists become the main benefactors of the business I cannot feel bad about music being downloaded. They been stealing from my peoples for years. Wha?????? You gotta come better than that Cheddi. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Just wanted to see who was awake.
But..my point was and is this..who is loosing the money?? Major companies or artists???
The more large problem is that due to P2P artists are making noise about $$$$ but stay in bed with corporate music/media giants WITH VASELINE.
I once read a book called "Who Moved the Cheese" and it basically concerns change and adaptation.

I depart with a question...
Back in the days when we were dubbing cassettes were the earning percentages for recording artists similar to the existing percentages today??

[Constantin]

yeah, blame it on the internet...

are we talkin bout Britney Spears single and the likes or house 12"es ?

about "trance anthems #47" or the next "moodyman" album?

i refuse to think that our ( especially vinyl )market is severly affected by p2p - it's a lame excuse for lack of originality not just in the majors market but also in the "underground".
how does it come that there's a new label EVERY week with a new hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever) that sounds exactly like last weeks new label and it's first outing by hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever).

come with something fresh and unique and people will still buy it( especially since there are still enough new markets for electronic music that are not saturated e.g. eastern europe or internet mail order shops that are doing way better than most stores at the moment )

isn't it a way bigger issue that most of the players in this game don't have very high moral standards when it comes to paying their invoices?

plur? yeah, for sure...

[12th house]

the peanut gallery has totally hijacked this thread and maybe scared away the person who started it, who was trying to explain about his store!

i wouldn't mind hearing his side of the story, and i think there's a few other people here who at least want to give the man a chance at having a forum.

geez.

[ May 30, 2003, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: 12th house ]

[Cordell]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
http://www.statuskuo.com/temp/airburger.jpg Damn Doug, why do they do you like that.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by falko:
but eargasm - you would have bought those 12"s anyway, so your purchases do not make up for those that are lost

and jimmymack - most don't care so much about quality, and listen to music on their computers or in discmans or cars, etc., rather than high-end stereos One also could argue that those who would download music and not buy probably weren't gonna buy any way. Ever heard of the "Art of the Dub". Get a friends copy and burn it.

[Quentin Harrris]

Well i Have and still work at satellite and i just wanted to know how did the thread get off topic....and yes i feel that as an employee that there are alot of things that i dont like about my place of employment but overall it is ok but realy wish that they not get rid of the people who have realy tried to make the company work insted of keepping the poeple who are kiss asses around that dont work for the good of the company...and i work in the officies not the store but i have been working at satellite for 3 years now

[daniel]

Originally posted by Quentin Harrris:
Well i Have and still work at satellite and i just wanted to know how did the thread get off topic.... hahaha, you want an explanation?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by 12th house:
the peanut gallery has totally hijacked this thread and maybe scared away the person who started it, who was trying to explain about his store!

i wouldn't mind hearing his side of the story, and i think there's a few other people here who at least want to give the man a chance at having a forum.

geez. To you and Quentin

See this is really disrespectful.

You owe us. We took a thread that was (and trust me cause I know) bound for and would have ended up becoming nothing but a ‘bash satellite records’ thread.

And given the respect, honor and integrity that we have for this thing called house, we diverted the satellite bashing to Doug Smith bashing, saving satellite at Doug’s expense.

I think you owe us and especially Doug and apology.

We try to save house and all we get is shit for it.

[ May 30, 2003, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[12th house]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 12th house:
the peanut gallery has totally hijacked this thread and maybe scared away the person who started it, who was trying to explain about his store!

i wouldn't mind hearing his side of the story, and i think there's a few other people here who at least want to give the man a chance at having a forum.

geez. To you and Quentin

See this is really disrespectful.

You owe us. We took a thread that was (and trust me cause I know) bound for and would have ended up becoming nothing but a ‘bash satellite records’ thread.

And given the respect, honor and integrity that we have for this thing called house, we diverted the satellite bashing to Doug Smith smashing, saving satellite at Doug’s expense.

I think you owe us and especially Doug and apology.

We try to save house and all we get is shit for it. </font>[/QUOTE]if that is not some SK logic right there. well, I guess you get the prize j lennie because you brought it right back to the off-topic topic.

graemlins/bolt.gif

[ May 30, 2003, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: 12th house ]

[Bill Blake]

Ha ha ha

Do you mind if I use that 'SK logic' bit?

I like that.

Seriously though,

It was gonna end up being a bash Sat thread.

Which is stupid.

And besides the best thing the owner or anyone of us that are feeling these hard economic times can have is a sense of humor......How's that for SK logic?

Anyways...

Dont mind me...proceed on topic.

[ May 30, 2003, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[jsd540]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
Don't mind me, I'm just passing through jackin a few threads. As soon as I'm finished I'll be on my way. Thank you for your cooperation.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/walksmil.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif This always cracks me up...

[And]

Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Don't mind me, I'm just passing through jackin a few threads. As soon as I'm finished I'll be on my way. Thank you for your cooperation.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/walksmil.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif This always cracks me up... </font>[/QUOTE]Me too. graemlins/grinyes.gif

[JemalC]

Does anyone really care to know "The Real Story behind Satellite", or is this subject now dead....

[imported_Gman]

Kuo strikes again. I may be slow but I'm starting to see a bad pattern here of them destroying good threads.

-G

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Gman:
Kuo strikes again. I may be slow but I'm starting to see a bad pattern here of them destroying good threads.

-G Agreed. There's plenty of DHP'ers perfectly capable of destroying good threads on their own.....JMJ smile.gif

[ June 04, 2003, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

[AD]

Originally posted by JemalC:
Does anyone really care to know "The Real Story behind Satellite", or is this subject now dead.... I do but as soon as it got jacked and raped to death I stopped checking in on this thread. I think Scott the originator of this thread got scared away. It's a damn shame too cause I was really looking forward to being friends with him so I could acquire some new choons from that really cool dude. *wink, wink* biggrinangel.gif

[ June 04, 2003, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: Albert D. ]

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Gman:
Kuo strikes again. I may be slow but I'm starting to see a bad pattern here of them destroying good threads.

-G I completely disagree.

I still bet this thread was going to turn into a bashing thread of the record store.

And a very uneeded one.

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by Constantin:
yeah, blame it on the internet...

are we talkin bout Britney Spears single and the likes or house 12"es ?

about "trance anthems #47" or the next "moodyman" album?

i refuse to think that our ( especially vinyl )market is severly affected by p2p - it's a lame excuse for lack of originality not just in the majors market but also in the "underground".
how does it come that there's a new label EVERY week with a new hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever) that sounds exactly like last weeks new label and it's first outing by hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever).

come with something fresh and unique and people will still buy it( especially since there are still enough new markets for electronic music that are not saturated e.g. eastern europe or internet mail order shops that are doing way better than most stores at the moment )

isn't it a way bigger issue that most of the players in this game don't have very high moral standards when it comes to paying their invoices?

plur? yeah, for sure... As someone who has extensive experience in this area, I agree. Our economy has been crumbling for a few years now (since before 9/11) and all small businesses are feeling the brunt of it because they never had the profit margins of major corporations.

Now, just like little sheep, many indies are lining up behind the majors who say "we're losing all this money because of file sharing", to which I say "bull$hit". People who only download free music weren't going to spend their money on it anyway - most of them don't HAVE the money in the first place (like college kids). People who spend their disposable income on music are going to continue to do so, because they want the quality and packaging that comes with a legitimate purchase. The difference is that they have less disposable income right now due to our current economic situation.

The most insidious aspect of this seems to go completely unnoticed: when you want to download lots of MP3s, you need either a DSL or a CABLE modem. You pay $40+ per month for this service. Who owns the companies that are providing you with the ability to download all this audio? The same companies that own the major labels - AOL Time Warner, Sony, MSNBC, etc. The parent company is making the money and not passing it along to the artists or labels, so the underling is hurting while the parent co is getting filthy rich. Then the labels tell the artists that they're being robbed by those who download - a crock of $hit if I ever heard one.

[Legends]

Originally posted by JemalC:
Does anyone really care to know "The Real Story behind Satellite", or is this subject now dead.... I'm listening Jemal ;)

p.s. check your PMs

[ June 05, 2003, 06:29 PM: Message edited by: Legends ]

[JemalC]

You know "The real Story", and I am sure if it ever got out...........

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by JemalC:
You know "The real Story", and I am sure if it ever got out........... oh come on J ... don't tease us....

[kayotv]

No one would really care...JMHO

:(
k!

[lesysteme]

Originally posted by Gman:
Kuo strikes again. I may be slow but I'm starting to see a bad pattern here of them destroying good threads.

-G listen gman, heres a tip:

ban=lennox

threads=fine

enjoy!

[Legends]

Originally posted by JemalC:
You know "The real Story", and I am sure if it ever got out........... Looks like between Jemal, Quentin, Kayo and myself, we could have a bestseller on our hands! ;)

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by Legends:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JemalC:
You know "The real Story", and I am sure if it ever got out........... Looks like between Jemal, Quentin, Kayo and myself, we could have a bestseller on our hands! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]...or at least a movie of the week.

[Tony Cano]

let's hear it.

tc

[ivanjb]

Yeah let's hear it.

How are you guys doing compared to PlanetX ?

[Bill Blake]

Yea

I gotta tip for ya

[JemalC]

Originally posted by Constantin:
yeah, blame it on the internet...

are we talkin bout Britney Spears single and the likes or house 12"es ?

about "trance anthems #47" or the next "moodyman" album?

i refuse to think that our ( especially vinyl )market is severly affected by p2p - it's a lame excuse for lack of originality not just in the majors market but also in the "underground".
how does it come that there's a new label EVERY week with a new hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever) that sounds exactly like last weeks new label and it's first outing by hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever).

come with something fresh and unique and people will still buy it( especially since there are still enough new markets for electronic music that are not saturated e.g. eastern europe or internet mail order shops that are doing way better than most stores at the moment )

isn't it a way bigger issue that most of the players in this game don't have very high moral standards when it comes to paying their invoices?

plur? yeah, for sure...

[JemalC]

Originally posted by Constantin:
yeah, blame it on the internet...

are we talkin bout Britney Spears single and the likes or house 12"es ?

about "trance anthems #47" or the next "moodyman" album?

i refuse to think that our ( especially vinyl )market is severly affected by p2p - it's a lame excuse for lack of originality not just in the majors market but also in the "underground".
how does it come that there's a new label EVERY week with a new hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever) that sounds exactly like last weeks new label and it's first outing by hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever).

come with something fresh and unique and people will still buy it( especially since there are still enough new markets for electronic music that are not saturated e.g. eastern europe or internet mail order shops that are doing way better than most stores at the moment )

isn't it a way bigger issue that most of the players in this game don't have very high moral standards when it comes to paying their invoices?

plur? yeah, for sure... Hey Constantine, If this is you my German friend drop me a line!!!! good to see you active and letting people know that the whole downloading thing is BS, and that the real deal goes way beyond what is mentioned. The truth will come out and it will be devestating to all those who "look up" to the machine that was.....

[Constantin]

Originally posted by JemalC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Constantin:
yeah, blame it on the internet...

are we talkin bout Britney Spears single and the likes or house 12"es ?

about "trance anthems #47" or the next "moodyman" album?

i refuse to think that our ( especially vinyl )market is severly affected by p2p - it's a lame excuse for lack of originality not just in the majors market but also in the "underground".
how does it come that there's a new label EVERY week with a new hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever) that sounds exactly like last weeks new label and it's first outing by hip-e and halo (or d.carter or whoever).

come with something fresh and unique and people will still buy it( especially since there are still enough new markets for electronic music that are not saturated e.g. eastern europe or internet mail order shops that are doing way better than most stores at the moment )

isn't it a way bigger issue that most of the players in this game don't have very high moral standards when it comes to paying their invoices?

plur? yeah, for sure... Hey Constantine, If this is you my German friend drop me a line!!!! good to see you active and letting people know that the whole downloading thing is BS, and that the real deal goes way beyond what is mentioned. The truth will come out and it will be devestating to all those who "look up" to the machine that was..... </font>[/QUOTE]yep Jemal, it's me
glad you're on board graemlins/cheering.gif
i saw your name popping up on this topic and was ready to contact you cause you sure enough got some interesting, behind the scenes stuff to tell, but then again i didn't wanted to be too nosy. ;)
later i just forgot ( you know, crazy work to do )
good to be in contact again. how's your new thing doing?
maybe drop me a pm or e-mail
later
constantin

[ July 04, 2003, 07:37 AM: Message edited by: Constantin ]