Pop Remixes Good Or Bad?

[Hippie]

I wrote a piece in my Discoid column about 2 years ago concerning remixes of pop songs. I said that I believe it's bad for our scene. My reason for this conclusion is because club mixes have become nothing more than another promotional tool for the majors. Usually the club mix is not taken seriously by anyone that really counts ( major magazines or grammy voters ) and even if the club mix is what sells that record it's still considered a pop record instead of a dance record. And finally I believe this is the most important reason. To the majors were nothing more than whores for hire. When was the last time you saw a major pop producer say " damn that's a hot dance record let me remix it". I don't think you will ever see a major label telling it's pop producer yeah you should mix that dance record. Don't get me wrong I understand why people that do it do it! Hell I've even done it but in general I think it degrades our culture. what's your opinions?

[beaniboy67]

Originally posted by Hippie:
I wrote a piece in my Discoid column about 2 years ago concerning remixes of pop songs. I said that I believe it's bad for our scene. My reason for this conclusion is because club mixes have become nothing more than another promotional tool for the majors. Usually the club mix is not taken seriously by anyone that really counts ( major magazines or grammy voters ) and even if the club mix is what sells that record it's still considered a pop record instead of a dance record. And finally I believe this is the most important reason. To the majors were nothing more than whores for hire. When was the last time you saw a major pop producer say " damn that's a hot dance record let me remix it". I don't think you will ever see a major label telling it's pop producer yeah you should mix that dance record. Don't get me wrong I understand why people that do it do it! Hell I've even done it but in general I think it degrades our culture. what's your opinions? In a way i agree with you Hippie.I played in a indie /pop band -alternative for years and i did enjoy it but it never really grabbed me like house did.i loved playing guitar and jamming but house was more appealing.Many ppl who i new used to ask me what are youre influences and what do you listen to.i would say Underground house,Us house,Deep house,balearic stuff,or just plain old house.its strange tho because half the ppl would say "what is that" or "i didnt expect you to listen to that.The pppl who didnt now the type of music i meant had to be told " do u no like The dance version of Whitney or do you no the remix of Toni braxton".Well its that kinda sound.Thats all the general public no house as i guess.Im not sure if this is a good thing because it could get other ppl to pick up on house and seek out the true sound of house which is good.Or if could be evil as it it just gets them to associate the scene or sound with that particular record youve described.

In one way i like to think of house as being individualistic but on the other maybe thats why the scene is dying in some places.

Me i like it being underground but maybe thats just selfish!!

[Mah'chew]

You hit the nail on the head there, we're just another channel for them to sell there mainstream rubbish wrapped up in a club facade...

Saying that though and detracting away from the business, the early pop dance, i.e. Red Zone mixes from Morales, Frankie Knuckles and Steve Silk Hurley's and ESmoove's remixes make up a large section of my collection from 1991 to 1992 - and these were/are on the whole good records. This was at a time when these producers were cutting their teeth and little did we know that Morales would eventually be bigger than the artist he remixed (Clive Griffin aside of course - he was always bigger than Clive Griffin, when that cut came out, we were like Clive who????)

The point I'm trying to make is that there was a time and a place for the 'pop remix' and that it seems a bit irrelevent today. But then also remember that, this time last year a lot of DHP was salivating for a Lisa Stansfield record that had been retouched by Blaze ;)

[Hippie]

I think if an pop artist started as a dance artist then it's OK because they started in that style. such as Madonna, Lisa Stanfield, Janet Jackson. But if the record they have is pop then no. And by pop I mean either R&B or Hip Hop. I know some will argue that Hip Hop is dance but I think most know what I mean.

[ August 19, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Hippie ]

[Ronnie Ron]

I have never been one to run out and by all of those Pop or R&B tunes converted into dance music, dont get me wrong i have a few but very few, i love the orignal Dance/Club/House and thats my main focus, im not a big R&B Pop fan.

R-R

[beaniboy67]

Hey ronnie!

Its a little different for me here in the Uk.i think a lot of RnB acts that are maybe big in the US i havent even heard of.Maybe its cos i dont watch MTV lol.Most of the records i buy are records that ive heard about on here or records that are made by producers im already well aware of.

I probably own records that are whites or remixes of well known r n b singers and dont even no it.I got that musiq - half crazy and the only reason i new he was an Rnb singer was because the online record store sent me the wrong version the first time i ordered it and they then had to re send the cut after i phooned up and said what the fuik is this rnb shiet u sent me.The mix i wanted was then sent only after i foned them.!!

Id guess in the US you are a lot more aware of R nB acts than me here in Scotland UK.
Peace

[Ronnie Ron]

Originally posted by beaniboy67:
Hey ronnie!

Its a little different for me here in the Uk.i think a lot of RnB acts that are maybe big in the US i havent even heard of.Maybe its cos i dont watch MTV lol.Most of the records i buy are records that ive heard about on here or records that are made by producers im already well aware of.

I probably own records that are whites or remixes of well known r n b singers and dont even no it.I got that musiq - half crazy and the only reason i new he was an Rnb singer was because the online record store sent me the wrong version the first time i ordered it and they then had to re send the cut after i phooned up and said what the fuik is this rnb shiet u sent me.The mix i wanted was then sent only after i foned them.!!

Id guess in the US you are a lot more aware of R nB acts than me here in Scotland UK.
Peace I here ya BeanieBoy, smile.gif

[Mah'chew]

Jodeci - Freak'n You MK remix graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by Mah'chew:
Jodeci - Freak'n You MK remix graemlins/thumbsup.gif Damn I never heard that..The RnB remix was hot itself. Wu-Tang Forever........

[And]

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I heard the house version of "Say yes" before I heard the original months later (watch maybe an hour of t.v. a month and barely listen to the radio). After I heard the original I wished I hadn't heard so much of the dance version. :rolleyes:

[Mah'chew]

Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mah'chew:
Jodeci - Freak'n You MK remix graemlins/thumbsup.gif Damn I never heard that..The RnB remix was hot itself. Wu-Tang Forever........ </font>[/QUOTE]It's a DJ Harvey classic, also came on MAW's Misery, sorry, Ministry of Sound mixed CD from 1996ish?

It sort of has that MK progressive beat (burning stylee) and drops the line, "every freakin night, every freakin day."


It's good stuff

[saadir7]

some of the dfa mixes are hot to
death!! some of mariah's remixes are off the chain! a hot song/track/remix is hot! point blank!
and what's with the animosity with r&b, hip hop, pop? a lot of disco is danceable r&b. and do you remember when house became "pop"ular? if you were to slow down a lot of vocal house, you would hear it ain't nothin but r&B.
dog i totally disagree with you.
loosen up and spin some hot shit dog.
you sound like a major label bureaucrat hatin on other "genres" of music. don't get so caught up in the games people play.

[Hippie]

Hey chill baby I don't hate anybody I'm just saying my opinion and asking other peoples. Some of my friends work in major labels. You can't compare the 70's to now. And house was never pop in America maybe in Europe but not the US. Once in a while a dance record can become a pop hit but it started as a dance record. What I'm talking is straight up pop acts that don't care about dance and would not like to be associated with it. I have nothing against them just stating the obvious. And name me one pop producer that has heard a club mix and wanted to make a R&B mix out of it. Wouldn't that be something a house record being mixed for the R&B market. I'm not talking about those house records that get a R&B mix already from the very beginning.

[dennis f]

one answer....

B A D ! ! ! !

hence KC turning down MJ and JJ