did anyone see...

[JoeB]

the marines bring down the saddam statue and the jubilation of the civilian population?

i, for the most part, was against the war but now i'm starting to think that maybe, JUST maybe, the civilian population is really happy we helped get rid of this monster.

has anybody had a change of heart or leaning towards that? and i don't mean that it is because you now "support" the government but the true liberation of the iraqi people? just wondering...

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Yup, I just finished watching it. Looks like a few of the people aren't so hateful of Americans, despite what some people may say. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[Cheddar]

You know not who those people are..they could be liberated criminals...the point is WHO KNOWS.

[liL Ray]

leaning towards that...these people are genuinely happy...they showed coverage of the kurds also and it's a hugh party in the street as expected, but I was surprise to see what's going on in Baghdad.

[School of Visual Arts]

yes - they have GOOD reason to celebrate

...may PEACE prevail on EARTH

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by 1343:
You know not who those people are..they could be liberated criminals...the point is WHO KNOWS. I doubt that.....sometimes it's time to see the picture for what it is....now, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to go out to no pro-us rally anytime soon.

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
You know not who those people are..they could be liberated criminals...the point is WHO KNOWS. I doubt that.....sometimes it's time to see the picture for what it is....now, don't get me wrong, I'm not going to go out to no pro-us rally anytime soon. </font>[/QUOTE]You cant doubt that...or better yet you cant doubt that you know not who they are..
The news cameras always find the willing..but when someone is willing to speak their mind..the cameras dont roll.
All im sayin'.

[Koffy Brown]

weren't they happy as well after the gulf war? will they be happy when we begin to structure their government and completely take over where saddam left off? will they be happy when they realize that saddam was just a ploy for americans to rape their country of their no. 1 resource (oil)...we'll see...we need to clean up our shit here....why aren't we liberating certain countries in Africa...don't get me started...

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by 1343:
You know not who those people are..they could be liberated criminals...the point is WHO KNOWS. C'mon man enough with the comspiracy theories already.

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Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1343:
You know not who those people are..they could be liberated criminals...the point is WHO KNOWS. C'mon man enough with the comspiracy theories already. </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/clap.gif graemlins/clap.gif graemlins/clap.gif

[Koffy Brown]

the truth is of course they are going to show americans the happy ones, we won't see the families who are mourning loss, those that understand the price they'll pay for this democracy, the homeless, the wounded...and those who just may not be okay with what has taken place...

[Dj Alex]

Those people that are happy could be all well and true , they might not be some of those iraqi's who lost family and loved ones by misplaced bombs though .

Peace Alex . :rolleyes:

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by Dj Alex:
Those people that are happy could be all well and true , they might not be some of those iraqi's who lost family and loved ones by misplaced bombs though .

Peace Alex . :rolleyes: Good comment Alex!!

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Originally posted by Ashaki:
we won't see the families who are mourning loss, those that understand the price they'll pay for this democracy, the homeless, the wounded...and those who just may not be okay with what has taken place... Wrong! They will and they have. Here is one example: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/09/sprj.irq.ali.charity/index.html

[Cheddar]

No conspiracy theories..just truth. As my statement about about the news and who they tape and let be shown. It seems as though some people here just want closure and to get back into Julie McKnights new single "ILLUSION LIFE".
BIG F*CKING deal the people are cheering...people would be cheering if there was an impeachment here. They have these poor saps cheering to pacify us here stateside while the INTEL fools are scrambling to explain how Saddam is presently Hitler status...WHICH WAY DID HE GO.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by 1343:
No conspiracy theories..just truth. As my statement about about the news and who they tape and let be shown. It seems as though some people here just want closure and to get back into Julie McKnights new single "ILLUSION LIFE".
BIG F*CKING deal the people are cheering...people would be cheering if there was an impeachment here. They have these poor saps cheering to pacify us here stateside while the INTEL fools are scrambling to explain how Saddam is presently Hitler status...WHICH WAY DID HE GO. very good point, if we were to impeach bush today, I'm sure there would be mass cheering and parties going on...

[martino]

Thats funny i dont see anyone cheering at iraqi hospitals. but i guess thats a conspiracy too eh?

keep watching your sanitized news. if you aint embedded (in bed with) the miltary, youre a target now.

how sad was it to see CNN (journalists) making excuses for the military's shooting of the hotel where all the international _journalists_ are staying. Even when _british journalists_ were saying there was no shooting coming from the hotel.

[Monny JcIntosh]

As far as I'm aware from reading news reports, it's Baghdad's Shiite quarter that's jubilant. The shots of the statue being taken down were from that quarter, Saddam City. Much of the "celebration" is just looting.

[The Donger]

Looting saddam's palace is a great way to celebrate the demise of a ****ed up regime. It's not "not celebrating", it is what it is. People going buck wild cause that punk Saddam aint calling cheap shots around there anymore...

[Monny JcIntosh]

No, it's nicking tellys and fridges from Ali's superstore because noone's around to stop you.

[konbit]

No matter what your political stance is, you should be celebrating today...as perhaps this horrible war is finally over. (Or at least in its final stages). With this US military dominance of Baghdad, no more bombs will have to drop on these poor people.

As far as the coverage...from what I understand, the celebrants are mostly from Eastern Baghdad, which is a Shiite community, and has long been opposed to Saddam anyway. Just as in the US, there are many political views in Iraq, and I'm sure that there are plenty of Saddam supporters morning the loss, inside, away from the cameras. This is eye candy for the media...but not necessarily a true representation of how the populace of Iraq feels. As they say: "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."

Regardless...let's hope that the remaining Iraqi soldiers surrender so that we can see a swift transition into a more peaceful situation.

[Dj Pat]

Were in the station looking @ this.
But the one's that's pulling down the statue are muslums who have allway's been against sadam.
then the other 50% were jurnalist.
who can tell who's who, but the new's pick this up and boost "your presedent" rateing's up by another 8%.
So whatever the networks are showing, just remember they have an agenda allso!
But Al-jeezera network is still showing battle's going on in and around bagdad, danm i wish you can see what i see...so many kid's dead, there's a lot of body's still laying around, etc.
What's so sad about this is that everyone have an agenda on this, but notice how the us press pick up on the statue toppling of sadam, but as far of the journalist that was killed by Us tank's you realy dont here anything about that...almost as if it realy didnt happen.
And why havent the us press didnt pick up what's going down in afrika rite now with more than over 1000 killed in tribe fight's.
Hmmm, realy make's you wonder.
Blue

[konbit]

Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Looting saddam's palace is a great way to celebrate the demise of a ****ed up regime. It's not "not celebrating", it is what it is. People going buck wild cause that punk Saddam aint calling cheap shots around there anymore... I read that it's the American soldiers looting Saddam's palaces. The common people are just looting from each other.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ghost Of Donger:
Looting saddam's palace is a great way to celebrate the demise of a ****ed up regime. It's not "not celebrating", it is what it is. People going buck wild cause that punk Saddam aint calling cheap shots around there anymore... I read that it's the American soldiers looting Saddam's palaces. The common people are just looting from each other. </font>[/QUOTE]I believe that Dwight Eisenhower updated some type of doctrine, not sure if it was related to the Genieva Convention, that prohibits troops from taking souvenirs that are part of a countries culture or of historical value or weapons from the opposition. But we all know how that goes.


Peace

[Doug]

Originally posted by JoeB:
the marines bring down the saddam statue and the jubilation of the civilian population?

i, for the most part, was against the war but now i'm starting to think that maybe, JUST maybe, the civilian population is really happy we helped get rid of this monster.

has anybody had a change of heart or leaning towards that? and i don't mean that it is because you now "support" the government but the true liberation of the iraqi people? just wondering... I don't think anyone will deny that it is actually a good thing that Saddam isn't in power. One can certainly understand the reaction of the Iraqi people to the real possibility that Saddam is gone for good. I am genuinely happy for them. However, we cannot forget that this war was never characterized as a war of "liberation" until earlier this year. It was, until only recently, always characterized as a pre-emptive war meant to protect the US from the "terrorist threat" posed by Saddam Hussein and to rid him of his weapons of mass destruction(which we have yet to find and which, despite all of the media and military predictions, have yet to be used).

I'll be more convinced of the sincerity of this administration's motives for war when:

1. We actually find the shit we have been saying he had all along.

2. Iraq and, more importantly, the Iraqi oil industry, comes under the control of a democratic government elected by the Iraqi people with no interference from the US

3. This administration responds as quickly and decisively in other countries around the world where people are suffering at the hands of totalitarian regimes.

[ April 09, 2003, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Doug ]

[Ronnie Ron]

Im happy for the Iraqi people, any looting (Though it maybe wrong) that stuff belongs to the Iraqi people, he stole the money from them to make those huge palaces. i say take what belongs to you until they get a governing force up in there to settle things down a bit.

[Kenrick _]

i am happy for the people that suffered under saddam. however, i for one won't loose sight of what *may* be the bigger picture.

read on: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15564