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BHouse
08-17-2007, 04:04 PM
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NEW YORK — “Dateline NBC” denied Wednesday an Esquire article’s claim that its “To Catch a Predator” producers tried to manipulate Texas police officers into arresting a D.A. who killed himself when confronted by police at his home last year.

Meanwhile, NBC is facing a $105 million federal lawsuit filed by the man’s sister as well as a lawsuit by a former producer who said she was fired because she questioned the “Predator” lawsuit on ethical grounds. ABC News also confirmed Wednesday that its newsmagazine “20/20″ was conducting an investigation into the death of Kaufman County prosecutor Bill Conradt and the role of “Dateline” in it.

It was “Dateline” and Perverted Justice, the consultant to the series that has used TV to entrap would-be child sex predators, that led police in Murphy, Texas, to set up a sting that would collar suspects and provide compelling TV all at the same time. The “Dateline” series has led to several convictions from the more than 200 people who have been snared, all with the cooperation of “Dateline” and law enforcement.

The Esquire article details the circumstances around the sting in Murphy, where an actor had been hired to pose as a 13-year-old boy who had been chatting online with a man who was later identified as Conradt. Esquire said “Dateline” producers tried to lure Conradt to the house where police were waiting, only to find that Conradt wasn’t coming. They and members of Perverted Justice decided, Esquire said, to take police and a “Dateline” crew to Conradt’s home in the small town of Terrell.

Esquire said the “Dateline” crew wanted Murphy police to get search and arrest warrants for Conradt’s house, which the police did. The next day a SWAT team — with “Dateline” cameras staked out nearby — entered Conradt’s home to arrest him. After a few words, Conradt held a Browning .380-caliber pistol to his head and pulled the trigger. He died on the way to the hospital in Dallas.

Conradt’s sister Patricia Conradt sued NBC Universal last month claiming that NBC News had invaded his privacy and “steamrolled” their way with the help of police to arrest him. None of the men who had been arrested in the Murphy operation have been charged, and the D.A.’s Office has criticized the way the arrests and investigation were handled.

NBC News declined to put executive producer David Corvo on the phone for an interview about the Esquire piece or the lawsuit. An NBC spokeswoman disputed Esquire’s account of the incident; so did correspondent Chris Hansen in an interview with Esquire. .

“The notion that (’Dateline’ correspondent) Chris Hansen or anyone at ‘Dateline’ could or would ‘control’ or ‘manipulate’ the actions of law enforcement personnel is preposterous,” the spokeswoman said. “Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that Conradt was aware of ‘Dateline’s’ investigation.”

The Dallas Morning News reported Wednesday that Murphy police chief Billy Myrick, who approved the “Dateline” investigation setting up shop in Murphy and conducted the operations, had been interviewed by a crew from “20/20.” An ABC News spokeswoman confirmed that “20/20″ was working on a piece about the case and “Predator.” She said it hadn’t been scheduled for air and declined to talk about any other specifics.

NBC News declined comment on the “20/20″ investigation.

But journalism ethics experts continue to be concerned about the “Predator” series. Kelly McBride, ethics group leader at St. Petersburg, Fla., journalism think tank the Poynter Institute, believes there’s no journalistic reason for “Predator” and that NBC has compromised its journalistic independence.

“What I find disturbing about ‘To Catch a Predator’ is that it’s designed to compromise journalistic independence and the system they’ve set up for doing these sting operations involves the cooperation of everybody,” she said. “It’s not like it actually just happens. Journalists designed it that way.”

While she acknowledged that Internet predators are a legitimate concern, she said that more child-sex predators live in the same home as the children and that if NBC wanted to do a public service that they should so stories on those situations and ways that communities can keep children safe.

NBC News said Wednesday that it was “in discussions about future investigations” but declined to comment further about whether it would pull the plug on “To Catch a Predator.”



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djLesCole
08-17-2007, 04:07 PM
I love the show and I hope they continue doing it. Those bastards deserve the embarassment and everything else they have coming to them for preying on pre-teens. Just my 2 cents.

BHouse
08-17-2007, 04:09 PM
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D J 1 3 8
08-17-2007, 04:19 PM
IMO, sexual predators are mentally ill and they need help. The stupid post-bust interview that show does is simply to get ratings AKA money, and has NOTHING to do with protecting children.

And I don't think public ridicule will make any sexual predators stop sleeping with kids. They have a compulsion to have sex with kids, which over-rides common sense and any sense of decency they may have. Shit, the majority of them were molested/raped themsleves, yet they can't help but repeat the behavior. Putting them on TV to watch them squirm is like torturing the mentally ill for sport. They are sick and should not be fodder for advertising dollars IMO.

I am all for locking them up and getting them treatment, but this show does nothing but villify them for ratings. Flava of Love has more ethics than this shit.

Kamiwa
08-17-2007, 04:21 PM
These shows are interesting, but I've questioned a few of the tactics used to "catch a predator." In a few instances, guys showed up to the house where the actor portraying a young girl was waiting, but for various reasons these guys left before entering the home. There was no meaningful interaction between the girl and these men. In fact, a couple of guys, upon approaching the home in their vehicles, never left their vehicles and drove away from the home. Nevertheless, police were waiting for these guys somewhere along the road, stopped them, and arrested them. Perhaps these guys said enough online to justify their subsequent arrests---it wasn't made clear to me watching the shows. But I found it strange that these guys, who did not follow through with their stated intentions, still got arrested. I wonder whether convictions followed? I actually need to research what the law provides concerning internet predators and the elements of proof necessary to support a conviction.

Ernest Fountain
08-17-2007, 04:27 PM
These shows are interesting, but I've questioned a few of the tactics used to "catch a predator." In a few instances, guys showed up to the house where the actor portraying a young girl was waiting, but for various reasons these guys left before entering the home. There was no meaningful interaction between the girl and these men. In fact, a couple of guys, upon approaching the home in their vehicles, never left their vehicles and drove away from the home. Nevertheless, police were waiting for these guys somewhere along the road, stopped them, and arrested them. Perhaps these guys said enough online to justify their subsequent arrests---it wasn't made clear to me watching the shows. But I found it strange that these guys, who did not follow through with their stated intentions, still got arrested. I wonder whether convictions followed? I actually need to research what the law provides concerning internet predators and the elements of proof necessary to support a conviction.
i think the actual law is broken when the adult solicits sex while online. so they do have a case even when the adult doesn't approach the house, as long as they can prove that that was the adult who solicited sex.

i'm sure one of the dhp lawyers or experts at law will correct me if i'm wrong.

BHouse
08-17-2007, 04:33 PM
i think the actual law is broken when the adult solicits sex while online. so they do have a case even when the adult doesn't approach the house, as long as they can prove that that was the adult who solicited sex.

i'm sure one of the dhp lawyers or experts at law will correct me if i'm wrong.

This is a law in Texas from my understanding... If they solict sex from a minor online regardless if they show up or not they have violated the law. The funny thing is none of men on the Texas episode are being prosecuted because of the fallout of the D.A suicide.

Armento
08-17-2007, 05:57 PM
IMO, sexual predators are mentally ill and they need help. The stupid post-bust interview that show does is simply to get ratings AKA money, and has NOTHING to do with protecting children.

And I don't think public ridicule will make any sexual predators stop sleeping with kids. They have a compulsion to have sex with kids, which over-rides common sense and any sense of decency they may have. Shit, the majority of them were molested/raped themsleves, yet they can't help but repeat the behavior. Putting them on TV to watch them squirm is like torturing the mentally ill for sport. They are sick and should not be fodder for advertising dollars IMO.

I am all for locking them up and getting them treatment, but this show does nothing but villify them for ratings. Flava of Love has more ethics than this shit.
yesssss

Adam Cruz
08-17-2007, 06:11 PM
ever see this movie?

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deepsouth
08-17-2007, 08:19 PM
pick up the new esquire and read the story. this show should stop. read the article. it's fucked up stuff.

deepsouth
08-17-2007, 08:20 PM
it's no better than lindsay lohan and paris hilton being the "news" instead of the news. this is no different. they both mean ratings. only the show is not necessary to accomplish the end result.

Edith A. Giles
08-17-2007, 09:01 PM
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Now you know you wrong for that...:rofl:

AK
08-18-2007, 01:32 AM
i think the actual law is broken when the adult solicits sex while online. so they do have a case even when the adult doesn't approach the house, as long as they can prove that that was the adult who solicited sex.

i'm sure one of the dhp lawyers or experts at law will correct me if i'm wrong.

Yes, I'm sure alvin will be along shortly.

alvin
08-18-2007, 02:13 PM
Yes, I'm sure alvin will be along shortly.

lol.

I never claimed to be a "expert" at law...but a little common sense can take you far in this world...you and other "law experts" have yet to show where the IRS is getting it's definition for "voluntary compliance" because I couldn't find one in ANY dictionary(law or otherwise)...like I said the IRS is operating under "color of law" in this instance.

color of law
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/u001.htm


voluntary compliance
http://moneycentral.msn.com/taxes/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=358


Voluntary Compliance
Our tax system is based on voluntary compliance - the principle
that U.S. taxpayers voluntarily comply with the tax laws and report their income and other tax items honestly

principle
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4HPIA_en___US232&defl=en&q=define:principle&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title


a basic generalization that is accepted as true and that can be used as a basis for reasoning or conduct

and this is what the IRS themselves have to say about "voluntary compliance"...

IRS and VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:NzFa64I5RCQJ:www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/irsvct.pdf+define+voluntary+compliance&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=us

The IRS knows the LEGAL definition of the term "voluntary compliance" and are acting within their legal rights to get people to "agree and submit of ones free choice to acquiesce(yield)" in concern to tax laws...that's the rub...the IRS is acting within the law and under color of the law because the legal definition of "voluntary compliance" is at odds with the IRS definition.

This information is provided FREE OF CHARGE...I'll let you and the other "experts" profit from peoples lack of common sense...

But on the subject at hand it is bemusing as to the media manipulates information concerning child abuse as the sole domain of isolated perverts...do some research and find out how this behaviour reaches to the upper echelons of Washington D.C. and beyond.

DYNCORP CHILD SEX ABUSE SCANDAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_32_18/ai_91210701
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,850107,00.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/122406dnintdyncorp_whistleblowers.3b3acc0d.html

THE FRANKLIN COVER UP
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3652628221467386974

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=866739408240639313&q=conspiracy+of+silence&total=235&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA and CATHY O BRIEN
http://www.trance-formation.com/about_trance.htm
http://www.trance-formation.com/aboutcathy.htm


excerpts from TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon08.htm


CATHY O BRIEN
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8864457841954131110&q=Cathy+O+Brien&total=118&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3762344960926032892&q=Cathy+O+Brien&total=118&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

AK
08-18-2007, 05:16 PM
lol.

I never claimed to be a "expert" at law...but a little common sense can take you far in this world...you and other "law experts" have yet to show where the IRS is getting it's definition for "voluntary compliance" because I couldn't find one in ANY dictionary(law or otherwise)...like I said the IRS is operating under "color of law" in this instance.

color of law
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/u001.htm


voluntary compliance
http://moneycentral.msn.com/taxes/glossary/glossary.asp?TermID=358



principle
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4HPIA_en___US232&defl=en&q=define:principle&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title



and this is what the IRS themselves have to say about "voluntary compliance"...

IRS and VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:NzFa64I5RCQJ:www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/irsvct.pdf+define+voluntary+compliance&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=us

The IRS knows the LEGAL definition of the term "voluntary compliance" and are acting within their legal rights to get people to "agree and submit of ones free choice to acquiesce(yield)" in concern to tax laws...that's the rub...the IRS is acting within the law and under color of the law because the legal definition of "voluntary compliance" is at odds with the IRS definition.

This information is provided FREE OF CHARGE...I'll let you and the other "experts" profit from peoples lack of common sense...

But on the subject at hand it is bemusing as to the media manipulates information concerning child abuse as the sole domain of isolated perverts...do some research and find out how this behaviour reaches to the upper echelons of Washington D.C. and beyond.

DYNCORP CHILD SEX ABUSE SCANDAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_32_18/ai_91210701
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,850107,00.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/122406dnintdyncorp_whistleblowers.3b3acc0d.html

THE FRANKLIN COVER UP
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3652628221467386974

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=866739408240639313&q=conspiracy+of+silence&total=235&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA and CATHY O BRIEN
http://www.trance-formation.com/about_trance.htm
http://www.trance-formation.com/aboutcathy.htm


excerpts from TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon08.htm


CATHY O BRIEN
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8864457841954131110&q=Cathy+O+Brien&total=118&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3762344960926032892&q=Cathy+O+Brien&total=118&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

Alvin, I ain't taking the bait. You win, my brutha.