Vybe Radio loses its license - no longer on the FM dial?

[Adam Cruz]

Dear listeners:

Today, the FCC revoked our experimental license to be on the FM dial. However, we have good news. We are still available on the internet on www.vyberadio.net and we just got a lot of other sponsors for the station which we will name shortly.

Just remember, that after the rain, there is always a rainbow. Don't fret, nothing has changed. WE still have the same great shows and same great music. Just listen to us on the internet and spread the word.

Thank you for the support,
Pharaoh
Vybe Radio CEO


WTF? :(

[JMJ]

So much for that......JMJ:wtf:

[Armento]

What was the reason????

[liL Ray]

WTF???? So I have been relegated to just another internet show dj?

damn...oh the shame.

[Jamie 3:26]

Wonder if that whole cuss word incident during a mix had anything to do with this....

[liL Ray]

Wonder if that whole cuss word incident during a mix had anything to do with this....this will probably be the "official" story, but I doubt it.

[Adam Cruz]

naw I don't think so 326 cause they caught that before it went on the air if I'm not mistaken.

[Pang]

Dear listeners:

Today, the FCC revoked our experimental license to be on the FM dial. However, we have good news. We are still available on the internet on www.vyberadio.net and we just got a lot of other sponsors for the station which we will name shortly.

Just remember, that after the rain, there is always a rainbow. Don't fret, nothing has changed. WE still have the same great shows and same great music. Just listen to us on the internet and spread the word.

Thank you for the support,
Pharaoh
Vybe Radio CEO


WTF? :(


Thats sad news to hear.

[Adam Cruz]

I don't get the impression from Vybe Radio this is a "make or break" situation or even that this news isn't all that bad for them. They seem to be excited about the future even though the radio station will be operating only on the internet. so, We'll see I guess.

[ebot9000]

still a drag. all those people surfing the dial hearing this music for the first time...

[jojaujae3]

Well we appreciated the opportunity we were given. GR8 fun while it lasted
:wtf:

[DaveR]

Google

[ebot9000]

Google

Oh snap that shit was pirate?

[Adam Cruz]

Well we appreciated the opportunity we were given. GR8 fun while it lasted
:wtf:

It's not done so much as it's no longer a 'terrestrial' radio station. It'll broadcast via the net only.

[Adam Cruz]

Oh snap that shit was pirate?

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every station that's issued an experimental license considered "pirate"?

[DaveR]

Oh snap that shit was pirate?
<!--Template Inputs Title of the Page-->Experimental License Frequently Asked Questions - http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/elbfaqs.html

[liL Ray]

...

[JMJ]

<!--Template Inputs Title of the Page-->Experimental License Frequently Asked Questions - http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/elbfaqs.html

So if it was a "non-broadcast" station, were we internet-only all along? And if so, why weren't we told that from the start? Just wondering......JMJ

[Chris Conrad]

the telltale sign should have been that when assorted info about the station was posted on this site, repeatedly, there were no station call letters for the station anywhere...

[JMJ]

Radio-gate?......JMJ

[ebot9000]

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't every station that's issued an experimental license considered "pirate"?

doesn't seem like it based on that FAQ. Did Vybe have an experimental license? It doesn't seem to allow you to just go ahead and start operating a radio station even if they did.

If it was pirate, I gotta give props to Vybe for bucking the system and getting good music out there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but London has a slightly more lenient system towards pirate radio stations, which gives rise to a lot of good music on their airwaves. Someone told me a lot of their legit radio started as pirate stations. Pirate radio over here gets shut down real fast...

[liL Ray]

Radio-gate?......JMJseems like it...

[Javier Drada]

I am not at liberty to discuss the details of the permit or what actually took place today. I will contact all of the DJ's involved tonight.

[liL Ray]

I am not at liberty to discuss the details of the permit or what actually took place today. I will contact all of the DJ's involved tonight.

That's enough answer for me....

count me out please....no calls needed.

[dj-chefron]

This so sad,when the media conglomerates can dictate who can broadcast we have truly lost what it means to have a free and open society.Today its the radio spectrum tomorrow its the Internet everyone should demand of their congressman to support net neutrality. Peace

[liL Ray]

This so sad,when the media conglomerates can dictate who can broadcast we have truly lost what it means to have a free and open society.Today its the radio spectrum tomorrow its the Internet everyone should demand of their congressman to support net neutrality. Peace
this is true, but right now, that's how it is, and I really don't have the time to be mixed up in legal matters.

[dekmusic]

This so sad,when the media conglomerates can dictate who can broadcast we have truly lost what it means to have a free and open society.Today its the radio spectrum tomorrow its the Internet everyone should demand of their congressman to support net neutrality. Peace

here here!!!!!

[Javier Drada]

That's enough answer for me....

count me out please....no calls needed.

At very least read the e-mail, there is more to this than you know.

[liL Ray]

At very least read the e-mail, there is more to this than you know.

ok...

[The Buddy Love Show]

This so sad,when the media conglomerates can dictate who can broadcast we have truly lost what it means to have a free and open society.Today its the radio spectrum tomorrow its the Internet everyone should demand of their congressman to support net neutrality. Peace

Actually

I went to the FCC website and found that it was pretty open and helpful in terms of how to get a broadcast license

and twasnt any "media conglomerate" blocking the way

but i guess we need it on a silver platter AND directions on how to wipe our asses too

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/cdbs.html

Platitudes must be the new substitute for laziness

[Drrtynewyork]

Theres always AM http://deephousepage.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[JR JAM]

Theres always AM http://deephousepage.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif


:rofl:

[The Buddy Love Show]

i'm going across the dial

shekking out

hindi stations, korean stations, haitian stations, jamaican stations, ufo lovers stations, religious kook stations, fornication stations (thats a lie - but i likeded the way that sounded), house music stations (the white "Tiesto nazi" rally musickind)

yet i gotta come here to read the typical black house music lovers drivel about "media conglomerates" dictating who can broadcast

STOP CLOWNING YERSELVES

if you knuckleheads had a product worth listening to folk would put money into it

but then again y'all aint in it for the money...kinda hard to pay FCC licensing fees with "the love"

I laugh at you people every gatdamn day

[DaveR]

Post the details here ... we all see something possibly related on Google - namely that pdf document, unless that's someone else in Miami that was using the 107.1 frequency.

I never did understand the "not at liberty" to discuss thing, when folks is always at liberty to make daily announcements, open calls for DJs and submissions by record labels, etc etc ... but when something challenging comes along, it's like some Pentagon Black Bag report

Could this not be a learning experience for the future? - or will we continue the path of only bragging about the good, and covering the not-so-good? ...

[DaveR]

... ufo lovers stations, religious kook stations, fornication stations (thats a lie - but i likeded the way that sounded), house music stations (the white "Tiesto nazi" rally musickind)
...
stop :icon_rofl::icon_rofl::icon_rofl:

[Javier Drada]

As much as some of you may want to think that these permits are easy to obtain they are not. I invite any of you to try. For one please look up the cost of what a transmitter will run you and I am not talking about a measly 100 watt transmitter that pirates are broadcasting on.

and as far as pirate I know what illegal broadcasting is, I did it for 6 years in Miami on several signals and with antennas built for me by FCC agents. Do you actually think I would be stupid enough to bring everyone in on something completely illegal. When I did the shit illegally I was very open with people about it and Sven Vath and Juan Atkins came down and did live shows on an illegal signal live. Submerge backed me and we did the Detroit Radio shows all on an illegal frequency. I don't have reason to bullshit and if I could keep that signal going on the DL without the permits, I would. But it's not my equiptment and the owner was threatened with legal action if the transmitters were turned back on until he sorted things out. I love how bullshit flys around out of people's asses that have no fucking clue what the fuck they are talking about.

[DaveR]

... If it was pirate, I gotta give props to Vybe for bucking the system and getting good music out there ...
they'z people in the South (USA) giving props to Michael Vick for providing good ole competitive and combative entertainment too :biggrin:

[Javier Drada]

Post the details here ... we all see something possibly related on Google - namely that pdf document, unless that's someone else in Miami that was using the 107.1 frequency.

I never did understand the "not at liberty" to discuss thing, when folks is always at liberty to make daily announcements, open calls for DJs and submissions by record labels, etc etc ... but when something challenging comes along, it's like some Pentagon Black Bag report

Could this not be a learning experience for the future? - or will we continue the path of only bragging about the good, and covering the not-so-good? ...


What the fuck did I ever do to you Dave?

[The Buddy Love Show]

stop :icon_rofl::icon_rofl::icon_rofl:
Hell

Art Bell can have a radio show and get his fellow Tin Foil hat crowd to tune in and participate:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/art/about.html

yet househeads are complaining about big conglomerates tripping them up


shit

[DaveR]

Post the details here ... we all see something possibly related on Google - namely that pdf document, unless that's someone else in Miami that was using the 107.1 frequency.

I never did understand the "not at liberty" to discuss thing, when folks is always at liberty to make daily announcements, open calls for DJs and submissions by record labels, etc etc ... but when something challenging comes along, it's like some Pentagon Black Bag report

Could this not be a learning experience for the future? - or will we continue the path of only bragging about the good, and covering the not-so-good? ...


What the fuck did I ever do to you Dave?
Nothing at all ... why?

[ebot9000]

Doesn't anyone realize how unusual it is to have an all deephouse FM radio station in a major city?? Are you all playing in like 10,000 person clubs or something?

I hope it comes back to the airwaves with some folks who appreciate the what they got. That shit was crazy.

[The Buddy Love Show]

As much as some of you may want to think that these permits are easy to obtain they are not. I invite any of you to try. For one please look up the cost of what a transmitter will run you and I am not talking about a measly 100 watt transmitter that pirates are broadcasting on.

.

Javier..props on the attempt at the station..live and learn

I cant get with your above statement. Its hard to get permits to do a lot of things - but folk get them

The barriers to entry are what seperate out the committed from the poseurs. If it was easy, EVERYBODY would do it.

[CASAMENA]

When I was 10 and lived on Knickerbocker Ave in Bushwick, I used to prop my 2nd story windows open with 2 speakers, and connect my jvc boombox and my "victrola" and I would proceed to rock my block, or at least the 30 to 40 feet in front of my stoop for a few summer hours. I'm sure some of you did this as well... anyway this whole broadcasting thing just brought back those memories. I thought I'd share...:biggrin:

[Steven Stewart]

http://www.virginia.edu/insideuva/2001/38/images/mcgruff%20-%20color.jpg

[The Buddy Love Show]

When I was 10 and lived on Knickerbocker Ave in Bushwick, I used to prop my 2nd story windows open with 2 speakers, and connect my jvc boombox and my "victrola" and I would proceed to rock my block, or at least the 30 to 40 feet in front of my stoop for a few summer hours. I'm sure some of you did this as well... anyway this whole broadcasting thing just brought back those memories. I thought I'd share...:biggrin:

i used to do that too...until the media conglomerates came along

[mikey@funkysoulsounds]

This is disappointing but not the end of things. I am just getting to grips with putting these shows together and looking forward to some mixes and interviews I have lined up from other DJ's. Whatever happens with the FM issue, the shows can still go on the internet which reaches a wider global audience anyway and thats the important thing. We can all push on getting house out there against a daily barrage of mass media r'n'b, hip hop and indie music and im happy to have an outlet to do that. Its something we should all continue to support because the major tv and radio stations do very little so guys like javier etc should be given the credit due for fighting our corner. Its easy to post 'this and that' bullshit about whatever house show/club/station etc. but getting off your ass and actually doing something is what counts.

[Chris Conrad]

This so sad,when the media conglomerates can dictate who can broadcast we have truly lost what it means to have a free and open society.Today its the radio spectrum tomorrow its the Internet everyone should demand of their congressman to support net neutrality. Peace

um, you've always needed a licence to broadcast...since before were born...

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

When I was 10 and lived on Knickerbocker Ave in Bushwick, I used to prop my 2nd story windows open with 2 speakers, and connect my jvc boombox and my "victrola" and I would proceed to rock my block, or at least the 30 to 40 feet in front of my stoop for a few summer hours. I'm sure some of you did this as well... anyway this whole broadcasting thing just brought back those memories. I thought I'd share...:biggrin:

Yep from my 5th floor window in the Bx..Of course this was while my parents weren't home :rofl5:..I have to laugh everytime this kid on my block does it now, and I wanna wring his neck :biggrin:

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

This is disappointing but not the end of things. I am just getting to grips with putting these shows together and looking forward to some mixes and interviews I have lined up from other DJ's. Whatever happens with the FM issue, the shows can still go on the internet which reaches a wider global audience anyway and thats the important thing. We can all push on getting house out there against a daily barrage of mass media r'n'b, hip hop and indie music and im happy to have an outlet to do that. Its something we should all continue to support because the major tv and radio stations do very little so guys like javier etc should be given the credit due for fighting our corner. Its easy to post 'this and that' bullshit about whatever house show/club/station etc. but getting off your ass and actually doing something is what counts.

I would venture to guess that most of the dj's that came on board already had Internet shows. I for one do not want to play on 2 different Internet-only radio stations. That to me is like playing on two different FM stations in the same market. Not happening.

[JMJ]

I would venture to guess that most of the dj's that came on board already had Internet shows. I for one do not want to play on 2 different Internet-only radio stations. That to me is like playing on two different FM stations in the same market. Not happening.

I agree......JMJ

[liL Ray]

I love the idea we were actually playing on a fm station and not an internet only show. I am a visual person and visualize playing for folks on the beach, or just driving in their car, or at home doing housework...so that's how I went about doing my show.

Because it was "live" on the radio, I didn't even mind the 1 hour time slot.

However, now that it's just another internet show (yes, I have a bias towards them, for whatever reasons), I really don't care too much for it, especially for just one hour.

anyways, that's my take on it...

Javier should not be thrown under the bus on this, because he certainly went above and beyond, and truly believed in this venture, and so did I. He deserves high praise for what he had to go through to organize this and actually get it to work.

I really enjoyed some good shows and I was happy to be opened to new djs and their sound.

I still got to think on my decision going forward. But whatever that maybe, I still want to thank Javier for the opportunity and still have his back in any other venture he may do, because he shows he is a "can do" person...one day he will have that radio station, beeellledat!!

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

I agree. Javier gets props for doing what he did. And we got to see the ALM come out :rofl5:

[Steven Stewart]

Theres always AM http://deephousepage.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Or....Pirate

http://www.spacehijackers.co.uk/images/Equipment/pirate/piratecase.jpg


Or HAM...

http://ha5x.hu/images/shack1.jpg

[dj-chefron]

Actually

I went to the FCC website and found that it was pretty open and helpful in terms of how to get a broadcast license

and twasnt any "media conglomerate" blocking the way

but i guess we need it on a silver platter AND directions on how to wipe our asses too

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/cdbs.html

Platitudes must be the new substitute for lazinessNow the one thing I enjoy about this site is the back and forth of the discussions the members engaged in.When I said that conglomerates own the airwaves that's what I meant. 6, count them 6 companies own the majority of the airwaves in this country.Now the fcc website may be helpful in getting a license but when you have a handful of owners in each market, trying to obtain a licence that's whole different ballgame.I admit I never applied for a licence so I may just be blowing smoke but when you have a monopoly and the money to buy off politicians to set the regulations in your favor what chance do one have to even get in the game.Here is an article that's very interesting. Peace
MAP | PUBLISHER | CONTACT INFORMATION |
Published December 2002 (Updated July 2004) All Rights Reserved
Media Giants: Who owns what?
Six Companies Dominate U.S. Radio Market
One year after the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) ruled in favor of unrestricted media ownership in the United States, a federal appeals court reversed the FCC rule change in June 2004. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in Philadelphia prevents further deregulation of media ownership for now. The court ruled to block new FCC guidelines in September 2003, three months after FCC deregulated media ownership rules.
FCC chairman Michael Powell says the court's decision is deeply troubling, as it "hampers the flexibility of the agency [FCC] to protect the American public."

Media giants pursue strategies of owning clusters of newspapers, radio, and television stations in the same market to increase potential revenue. The FCC raised the limits of the audience any single company may reach from 35 to 45 percent, but Congress dropped the percentage back to 39 as a compromise; however, the percentages are not enforced.

Clear Channel Communications Inc., owned 173 radio stations in 1997. In 2004 Clear Channel owns 1,207 radio stations or 1,400 worldwide.

In a world where information is driven by user choice, either through clicking a link or by tuning into radio (online or through a radio box,) the future of newspapers looks grim in comparison. Newspaper subscriptions continue to drop, and one way for newspaper companies to expand their reach is through investing in other avenues of revenue -- sports, special interest publications, or interactive agencies. Another way is to consolidate resources and markets -- such is the case with Advance Publications who now owns both American City Business Journals and the Conde Nast magazines.

Radio stations in the United States have seen greater consolidation than newspapers or television in the past 10 years. Clear Channel Communications, Cumulus Media Inc., Disney, Emmis, Entercom Communications, and Viacom combined own 18 percent of all radio stations in the United States. However, measuring by the number of stations (1,982) alone misleads. Audience share for the these stations now covers the possible market share. Radio audience percentages have fallen off slightly in the past decade, however 93 percent of citizens in the U.S. claim to listen to radio at least once per day. Arbitron shows that of 287 (possible) radio markets, the top six media companies together account for reaching 100 percent of the listening audience in 2004.

Does radio ownership matter to listeners? Perhaps not. Anyone with a computer can now listen to music online for free -- and customize music to personal taste without commercial advertisments. The answer is truly personal, and as diverse as the music or talk shows each listener favors. However, if you as a radio broadcaster wish to enter the market as a station owner, you stand no chance buying into the market share dominated by six media giants.

The following breakdown shows the heavyweights, along with their alternative investments (if applicable) as of mid-year 2004.

Clear Channel Communications
Clear Channel Communications owns Outdoor Advertising, Katz Media Group, Premiere Radio Network, New Music Network, and SFX Sports Group.
Clear Channel owns and operates 39 television stations in the United States with more than one television station in Eugene, OR, Harrisburg, PA, Jacksonville, FL, Little Rock, AR, Memphis, TN, Mobile, AL, Monterey, CA, San Antonio, TX, Tulsa, OK, Wichita, KS.

Clear Channel leads in radio broadcast station ownership with 1,207 stations reaching 201 out of 287 markets in the United States.

Cox Communications
Cox Communications is best known for its cable, internet services, and telephony services. Cox also owns Val-Pak, 74 radio stations, 9 Television stations, and 43 newspapers in the United States.
Cumulus Media Inc.
At present, Cumulus Media Inc. is only invested in radio stations, reaching nearly 70 of 287 possible markets on 250 stations in the United States.
Disney
Disney is an example of media expansion. Founded first as movie production and theme park company, Disney now publishes books, magazines, and financial and medical services information. Disney owns ABC network with 10 television stations and 66 radio stations in the United States.
Partnering with Hearst Corporation and General Electric (GE,) Disney invests in 12 cable stations, 13 broadcast channels outside the USA, and Disney is part owner of German, French, Spanish, Scandinavian, and Japanese television stations.

Disney owns film companies; Buena Vista, Touchstone, Walt Disney, Hollywood Pictures, Caravan Pictures, Miramax Films.

Disney is a financial partner with Sid R. Bass in crude petroleum and natural gas production.

Along with its own internet portal, Disney owns ABC.com, Oscar.com, Mr. Showbiz, all Disney related sites, Family.com, ESPN.com, NBA.com, NASCAR.com, and toysmart.com.

Interactive games and music for Disney come through Buena Vista Music Group, Hollywood Records, Lyric Street Records, Mammoth Records, and Walt Disney Records.

Disney also owns Anaheim Sports Inc. and the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim; 15 resorts and theme parks, and is a partial investor with TiVo.

Emmis Communications Group
Emmis Communications Group currently owns and operates 23 radio stations in the United States and owns monthly magazines including the Atlanta, and Texas Monthly publications.
Entercom Communications
Entercom Communications currently own and operate 91 radio stations in the United States.
Gannett
Gannett owns USA Today, USA Weekend, USA Today Sports Weekly, and the USA Today Information Network.
Gannett owns 100 daily newspapers in the USA; the Army Times, Navy Times, Navy Times Marine Corps, Air Force Times, Federal Times, Defense Times, and Military Market.

Gannett also owns:

16 newspapers in the United Kingdom
16 television stations in the USA
Partial interests in the Cincinnati Reds, Classified Ventures Com LLC, (with competitors Knight Ridder, the New York Times Company, Times Mirror, Washington Post Co., and Tribune Co.)
Quarter share in BrassRing Inc. (Human Resources services and software)
Gannett partners with General Electric (GE) on Space.com and with Kight Ridder and Tribune Media on CareerBuilder.com
GE -- General Electric
General Electric holds 80 pecent share of NBC Universal with 14 televsion centers (9 of which are in the top 10 market share) and 14 Spanish language television stations, (8 of which are in the top 10 market share)
In Broadcast:
GE owns CNBC, MSNBC, Bravo, Mun2TV, Sci-Fi channel, Trio, and USA network.
In Film:
Universal Pictures
In Retail:
Universal Studios -- parks and resorts
In Partnership:
Paxson Communications (1/3 interest)
In Commerce:
GE builds aircraft engines, finances commercial investments, manufactures consumer products and industrial systems, as well as sells insurance, medical systems, plastics, power supplies, and transportation monitoring systems.
News Corp.
News Corp. owns FOX Broadcasting Company, 34 television stations (8 cover the USA's most populous cities) 29 alternative broadcast channels, mostly under the name of "FOX Sports."
In Film:
20th Century FOX Stuidos, FOX Searchlight Pictures, FOX Television Studios
In Print:
One newspaper in the USA, 5 newspapers in the United Kingdom, 20 newspapers in Australia, all of HarperCollins Publishing companies (23 in all) HarperCollins Children's Book Group (6 in all)
In Sports:
Los Angeles Dodgers, National Rugby League, (partial owners) of New York Rangers and New York Knicks, Los Angeles Kings and Los Angeles Lakers
In Music and Media:
News America New Media, Broadsystem, Festival Records, Mushroom Records, NDS, News Interactive, News Outdoor, Nursery World, Staples Center
Time Warner Inc.
Time Warner Inc. owns all Time Life Book companies (27 in all)
On Cable:
HBO, CNN (8 CNN networks), Court TV, Time Warner Cable services, Road Runner interactive services, New York 1, Kablevision (Hungary)
On Film and Television:
Warner Bros. (studios, film production and distrbution,) WB Television Network, Hanna Barbera Cartoons, Telepictures Production, Witt - Thomas Productions, Castle Rock Entertainment, Warner Home Video, Warner Bros pay TV, Warner Bros Theaters, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner South, Cartoon Network (3 channels), Turner Classic Movies, TNT, New Line Cinema, Fine Line Features, Turner Original Productions
In Print:
Time Magazine (8 publications,) Fortune, Life, Sports Illustrated (3 magazines,) People (4 publications,) Entertainment Weekly (2 publications,) and 58 additional monthly or weekly publications.
In Music:
Time Warner Music, Atlantic Records, Rhino, Elektra, and 49 other music production companies.
In Partnership:
Joint ventures with Sony on Columbia House marketing, Music Sound Exchange, Viva, Channel V, Heartland Music,
Online:
CompuServe Interactive, AOL and subsidiaries, The Knot Inc, MapQuest.com, Spinner.com, Winamp, DrKoop.com, Legend.
In Sports:
Atlanta Braves
In Retail:
MovieFone, iAmaze, (partial) Amazon.com, Quack.com
Viacom
Viacom owns:
CBS -- and 16 television stations (6 of which in top 10 marketshare)
UPN 18 television stations,
5 additional television stations
On Cable: MTV, Nickelodeon, BET, Nick at Night, TV Land, VH1, Spike TV, Comedy Central, CMT, Showtime, The Movie Channel, Flix, Sundance Channel Owns King World Productions
On Radio: Infinity Broadcasting, with 176 radio stations and Westwood One
On Film: Paramount Pictures
In Print: Simon & Schuster (8 publishing companies)
In Retail: Owns Blockbuster video, Paramount Parks, Famous Players Theater, United Cinemas International, Famous Music

[BrazenMuse]

Javier...I admire what you are working to do and have been happily watching it. I'm sorry it has hit this roadblock and hope that you guys can come back from it.

Peace.

[JMJ]

Javier should not be thrown under the bus on this, because he certainly went above and beyond, and truly believed in this venture, and so did I. He deserves high praise for what he had to go through to organize this and actually get it to work.





I agree with this as well - Javier was merely the middle man, really isn't responsible for what happened, and I believe his intentions were good. It was a thankless job at best.

Thanks Javier......JMJ :thumbsup:

[The Buddy Love Show]

Now the one thing I enjoy about this site is the back and forth of the discussions the members engaged in.When I said that conglomerates own the airwaves that's what I meant. 6, count them 6 companies own the majority of the airwaves in this country.Now the fcc website may be helpful in getting a license but when you have a handful of owners in each market, trying to obtain a licence that's whole different ballgame.I admit I never applied for a licence so I may just be blowing smoke but when you have a monopoly and the money to buy off politicians to set the regulations in your favor what chance do one have to even get in the game.Here is an article that's very interesting. Peace


I read the original article when it was publisheed in The Nation back in the late 90's

and with all this "monopoly" of the media airwaves, MANY independent operators exist and start stations

and thats just AM/FM radio

there is also Satellite and now Digital formats

as well as Cable television

but it damn sure is easier to blame "media conglomerates" for your own (representative) admitted ignorance in applying for licensing and , of course, the resultant inertia ( lack of )

I love how househeads (the black kind) combine ignorance and laziness with blame for conspiratorial monolithic forces (example: media conglomerates) as justification for the repeated instances of tripping over their own dicks...meanwhile I hear whiteboys tearing up the satellite radiowaves playing eurohouse24/7

Of course thats prolly only because the "media conglomerates" who "buy off the politicians" are DEEEEEEP into Oakenfold and Tiesto
if househeads (the black kind) took as much time trying to learn how to do shit as y'all do in justifying why yall cant do shit, you people might be dangerous

[The Buddy Love Show]

Damn...It was just this easy:

First I typed: "how to start a radio station"

This popped up: Results 1 - 10 of about 20,100,000 for how to start a radio station. (0.06 seconds)

The first link was this: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/howtoapply.html


Damn, those scheming conglomerates and their paid off politicians are really sneaky; hiding that info in plain sight, n shit

CONSPEERASEA!!!!!!

[DaveR]

... Here is an article that's very interesting. Peace ...
Here's another one - from July 2006 - http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-07-06/news/ghost-repeater/

[Chris Conrad]

Here's another one - from July 2006 - http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-07-06/news/ghost-repeater/

and this is why i did not jump on board when the initial requests went out...while javier should not be thrown under the bus or singled out, folks who jumped on board should have done their research...like i said in an earlier post, the lack of call letters stood out for me and then i did some digging and thought best not to submit anything...

again, that's nothing against javier or what they were trying to do or even against straight out pirate stations...just that a world of legal trouble can come down on someone in this country if you piss off the wrong people...and with all the constant talk on here by folks about getting your business tight etc, i would have thought folks might look into this better...

[DJ George Bates]

Thank you Javier for making the attempt to do something beyond talking shit for house music....

I know how hard ya worked on it...........

nuttin but respect to ya..

[kayotv]

"victrola" ...:biggrin:


I thought my folks where the only ones who called it a "victrola"

Wow!!! Awesome!!!

[BigHaus]

IF YOU COULD CHANGE ONE THING ABOUT RADIO TODAY, WHAT WOULD IT BE AND WHY?

I would revert to the ownership rules the FCC once imposed. I think the public is better served by having many broadcast owners in each market and throughout the country, each competing against others. I can’t see how having Clear Channel own 70% of a market can breed “competition.”



http://www.bouncefm.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=215&Itemid=67

[kaaos]

i used to do that too...until the media conglomerates came along

LMFAO

[DJ Loka]

IF YOU COULD CHANGE ONE THING ABOUT RADIO TODAY, WHAT WOULD IT BE AND WHY?

I would revert to the ownership rules the FCC once imposed. I think the public is better served by having many broadcast owners in each market and throughout the country, each competing against others. I can’t see how having Clear Channel own 70% of a market can breed “competition.”



http://www.bouncefm.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=215&Itemid=67


we can thank ronald reagan for this
http://www.wifp.org/FCCandMediaDemocracy.html

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm

http://www.democraticmedia.org/resources/articles/undermining.html

' Twenty years ago, the FCC began its first major deregulatory thrust while under the leadership of Mark Fowler. Fowler terminated many of the FCC's public interest policies, suggesting that TV be viewed as a "toaster with pictures," a simple household appliance requiring little oversight. Public service requirements were ended. TV stations could renew their lucrative public license by simply sending in a postcard. Rules that had prevented the fast turnover of stations and networks were abandoned, leading to takeovers at the then-three major TV networks. Since networks could now buy more stations, their new debt-burdened owners began looking for ways to economize their operations. First on the chopping block were their news divisions, whose budgets had been protected for decades as a way of fulfilling their formerly required public interest mandate.

Hundreds of TV journalists lost their jobs. Network documentary and investigative units disappeared. Foreign bureaus were also closed or had their staffing reduced. Management consultants were brought in to help turn the news operation into a profit center. Out of this morass arose tabloid TV and soft news magazines, easy on both the budgets and ratings. With reduced staffs, the network news divisions had to band together to report on election coverage, ultimately creating the Voters News Service, which in last year's election erroneously called Florida for Al Gore.'


just replace tv with radio, and there it is....

[liL Ray]

Here's another one - from July 2006 - http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2006-07-06/news/ghost-repeater/
I feel used.

fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me

[The Buddy Love Show]

IF YOU COULD CHANGE ONE THING ABOUT RADIO TODAY, WHAT WOULD IT BE AND WHY?

I would revert to the ownership rules the FCC once imposed. I think the public is better served by having many broadcast owners in each market and throughout the country, each competing against others. I can’t see how having Clear Channel own 70% of a market can breed “competition.”



http://www.bouncefm.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=215&Itemid=67

Great interview...hopefully folk will read it

The how to make a million dollars flipping a spanish station is great info

[dekmusic]

now take the sour lemons and make lemonade...........

props to you javier for taking the initiative.... the day will once again come when all types of music will be palatable for mass consumption.......look what happened to deli G and ohers like him ,having shows for years and now relegated to internet shows. because FM radio programers and owners just don't see the market audience for it ....

like ursala ruckers song says who gonna turn on the lite cause it's been temporarily switched off.

[The Buddy Love Show]

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/opadhome/mtdpweb/01minrept/mtdpexecsum.htm

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
With this report, Changes, Challenges, and Charting New Courses: Minority Commercial Broadcast Ownership in the United States, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) revisits the important topic of minority ownership of broadcast facilities. The agency, through its Minority Telecommunications Development Program (MTDP), has collected data on minority ownership since 1990, and issued reports annually from 1990 through 1994 and from 1996 through 1998. In 1995, NTIA published a report on the availability of capital for minorities trying to enter the broadcasting business. This report provides an historical perspective on minority ownership and an assessment of the impact that the recent trend of broadcast industry consolidation has had on minority ownership.

Our Nation has had a long-standing commitment to minority participation in the broadcast industry. Diverse voices contributing to public discourse is a fundamental element of our democratic society. The wave of broadcast mergers that swept through the industry following the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 as well as emerging technologies have highlighted the need to examine the impact of business, legal, and technological changes on minority ownership.

Since 1990 when MTDP began collecting data on minority commercial broadcast ownership in the United States, African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans have consistently been underrepresented among the Nation's commercial broadcast owners. Ranging from a low of 2.7 percent in 1991 to a high of 3.8 percent in 2000, minorities' ownership of commercial broadcast facilities has remained far below their estimated 29 percent representation in the U.S. population.

This year's report shows modest progress in some areas of minority commercial broadcast ownership. It also reveals, however, the continuation of some disturbing trends. The positive findings include:

Over the last two years, minorities as a whole have made some gains. In 2000, 187 minority broadcasters owned 449 full power commercial radio and television stations, or 3.8 percent of the 11,865 such stations licensed in the United States. These figures represent an increase of 0.9 percentage points of the number reported in 1998. However, about half of this increase was the result of an improved methodology to identify minority owners.
Minority owners have made some gains in the commercial radio industry, and some previous owners have been newly identified. In 2000, 175 minority broadcasters owned 426 stations, or about 4.0 percent of the Nation's 10,577 commercial AM and FM radio stations. This compares to their ownership of 305 radio stations in 1998, which represented 2.9 percent of that year's industry total. Again, half of the increase came from newly identifying already existing owners.
All minority groups have increased their radio ownership since 1998. In terms of absolute growth, the number of Hispanic-American-owned stations increased the most with the addition of 57 stations, followed by an increase of 43 African-American-owned, 18 Asian American-owned, and three Native American-owned. Excluding the effect of the improved search methodology, however, the number of African American-owned stations increased by 15 percent, and Hispanic American owned stations 19 percent, Asian American-owned stations by 300 percent, and Native American-owned by 25 percent. The large increase in Asian American-owned stations was largely the result of purchases by one large owner.


African-Americans' ownership of 211 radio stations in 2000 continues to lead that of other minorities and represents almost half of all minority-owned radio stations. Hispanic-Americans owned 187 stations or 44 percent of all minority radio stations.


Findings causing continued concern include:
Minority owners' share of the commercial television market decreased in 2000. The 23 full power commercial television stations owned by minorities in 2000 represented 1.9 percent of the country's 1,288 such licensed stations. This is the lowest level since MTDP began issuing reports in 1990. That year, minorities owned 29 full power television stations, compared to as many as 38 during 1995 and 1996. Between 1998 and 2000, there was a loss of five Hispanic-American and four African-American-owned stations., and a new identification of two Asian American-owned stations, for a net loss of seven stations.
While the broadcast industry's strong performance in recent years has benefitted some minority owners and may help explain the increase in the number, consolidation still threatens the survival of most minority owners, who as mostly single station operators find it difficult to compete against large group owners.


At a time when single-station owners are struggling to remain competitive, 61 percent of minority owners operate stand-alone stations. In 2000, 131 or 31 percent of minority-owned stations were part of a duopoly (two or more stations of the same type in the same market) compared to 36 percent of non-minority competitors Seventeen minority-owned stations, or 4 percent, participated in a local marketing agreement, while 8 percent of non-minority competitors did so.
As reported in past years, minority owners continue to own more AM than FM stations. In 2000, minorities owned 248 AM stations and 178 FM facilities. Declining AM listenership over the past 15 years and the technical limitations of these stations make them generally less profitable than FM stations.


MTDP's efforts to compile data on minority ownership highlighted a critical issue -- how to define "minority ownership." Indeed, there is no current consensus on a definition. There are different definitions in past NTIA reports, at the Federal Communications Commission, Small Business Administration, and in legislation. Depending on which definition is used, well-known minority broadcasters are or are not included. This report underscores the need for certain issues such as equity ownership and control to be part of a revised definition.
In preparing this report, we solicited the perspective of minority owners and have provided an overview of the continuing challenges that minority owners confront as they attempt to acquire advertising, gain access to capital, and improve employment opportunities for minorities. This report discusses the reasons why many minority owners as well as others in the industry support the reestablishment of a tax certificate program, and NTIA urges further exploration of proposals to restore this program. The report also highlights industry-led efforts to train minorities for careers in broadcasting and to facilitate access to capital, which have provided a positive contribution to advancing the goal of increasing broadcast diversity.

In part to address these challenges, broadcasters are increasingly moving beyond traditional single station ownership and embracing new management and ownership arrangements. In addition, many broadcasters are adopting new technologies to redefine how they broadcast their material. These efforts afford new opportunities for minority owners and potential ways for us to ensure diversity of viewpoints over our Nation's airwaves.

[AgentDoubleA]

[QUOTE=liL Ray;502329]I love the idea we were actually playing on a fm station and not an internet only show. I am a visual person and visualize playing for folks on the beach, or just driving in their car, or at home doing housework...so that's how I went about doing my show.
[QUOTE]

Yeah thats exactly how I based my 10am-nooon "Wake and Bake" show. Then the time slot switch. Only to be followed by the FM yank.

Javier has been honest and busting his ass off (taking my midnight calls) for the station to grow. Much props to him. Imma follow suit and pull out as well. Next venture Javier, i'll be the first in line bro.

[Chris Conrad]

I love the idea we were actually playing on a fm station and not an internet only show. I am a visual person and visualize playing for folks on the beach, or just driving in their car, or at home doing housework...so that's how I went about doing my show.

Because it was "live" on the radio, I didn't even mind the 1 hour time slot.

However, now that it's just another internet show (yes, I have a bias towards them, for whatever reasons), I really don't care too much for it, especially for just one hour.

anyways, that's my take on it...

Javier should not be thrown under the bus on this, because he certainly went above and beyond, and truly believed in this venture, and so did I. He deserves high praise for what he had to go through to organize this and actually get it to work.

I really enjoyed some good shows and I was happy to be opened to new djs and their sound.

I still got to think on my decision going forward. But whatever that maybe, I still want to thank Javier for the opportunity and still have his back in any other venture he may do, because he shows he is a "can do" person...one day he will have that radio station, beeellledat!!

if you do a search, folks on other boards were complaining they could not get a signal on south beach...months ago...

[AgentDoubleA]

if you do a search, folks on other boards were complaining they could not get a signal on south beach...months ago...

I was in SoBe and Darion last month and tuned in fine.

[BrazenMuse]

wait...is there no possibility of it coming back legit?

[liL Ray]

wait...is there no possibility of it coming back legit?

doesn't seem like it was set up to ever be legit.

[Chris Conrad]

I was in SoBe and Darion last month and tuned in fine.

i was jst goingby what i read a few months back, when javier first started posting about and some searching i did...

[AgentDoubleA]

doesn't seem like it was set up to ever be legit.

Seemed to me like a two week commercial on the FM dial.

[BrazenMuse]

did it pull good listener numbers, did anyone try to keep track? can that be leveraged into support for a legit version? What are the possibilities?

[LarsLB]

did it pull good listener numbers, did anyone try to keep track? can that be leveraged into support for a legit version? What are the possibilities?

that would be work :) and quite frankly, i don't think anyone involved but the boss would have access to this.

my general feeling though is that people are more interested in pointing fingers, or saying 'i told you so' or even better.. 'i could have told you, but i decided not to'

i think a lot of DJ's think they're god's gift to the world (aren't we all) and exposure is something that's just granted. i'm happy if i only reached one person who i couldn't reach before. it's not like anyone got paid and the expected money's now gone.

i'm also pulling out of the whole thing cause there are better and more professional internet stations out there (was it just me or did the vybe radio live stream just sound like sh!t ?)

still looking for syndication of my show 'Deeper Shades Of House' though.
it's on weekly on XM Radio - The Move and you can download it each week from http://www.deepershades.net or subscribe to the podcast.

i'm looking particularly in Europe .. whether FM or Internet Radio . .if you're interested and it's not just a bedroom station, hit me up ..

peace,
lb.

[BrazenMuse]

that would be work :) and quite frankly, i don't think anyone involved but the boss would have access to this.

my general feeling though is that people are more interested in pointing fingers, or saying 'i told you so' or even better.. 'i could have told you, but i decided not to'

i think a lot of DJ's think they're god's gift to the world (aren't we all) and exposure is something that's just granted. i'm happy if i only reached one person who i couldn't reach before. it's not like anyone got paid and the expected money's now gone.

i'm also pulling out of the whole thing cause there are better and more professional internet stations out there (was it just me or did the vybe radio live stream just sound like sh!t ?)

still looking for syndication of my show 'Deeper Shades Of House' though.
it's on weekly on XM Radio - The Move and you can download it each week from http://www.deepershades.net or subscribe to the podcast.

i'm looking particularly in Europe .. whether FM or Internet Radio . .if you're interested and it's not just a bedroom station, hit me up ..

peace,
lb.
Interesting. I wasn't involved and know nothing except what I'm seeing in the thread. As an artist rep, I'm always looking for outlets and was planning to watch this one carefully for a bit. Hmmm...