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Leslie
08-01-2003, 07:17 AM
Education: Morris Brown Prepares for reduced enrollment
2003/07/31 05:20 PM EDT
AP - ATLANTA
Morris Brown College, which lost accreditation in April, will open this fall with a staff of just 21 faculty members and an enrollment of about 225 students, school officials said.
If you do not have enough students, you cannot support the faculty, Leroy Frazier, interim president of the financially troubled college, said Monday.
Morris Brown has the same quality of education, Frazier said, as it did before the accreditation questions came about.
Last year, the 122-year-old historically black school saw its enrollment slip from 2,547 students to about 1,130 as word of the schools financial problems spread.
By attending a nonaccredited school, Morris Brown students cannot qualify for federal financial aid. About 90 percent of Morris Brown students relied on that aid to help pay for their education, including about $10,000 a year in tuition. Federal aid accounted for more than 70 percent of Morris Browns income.
BlackAmericaWeb.com Staff
I went to an HBCU so to me this hurts.
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Shalewa
08-01-2003, 07:26 AM
I went to an HBCU in the AUC. I sat in at Morris Brown supporting students who were lobbying for a more efficient and professional administration 15 years ago. It is heartbreaking that things got to this point, but surely it has been a long time coming.
Leslie
08-01-2003, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Shalewa:
I went to an HBCU in the AUC. I sat in at Morris Brown supporting students who were lobbying for a more efficient and professional administration 15 years ago. It is heartbreaking that things got to this point, but surely it has been a long time coming. You are so right Shalewa, I have a good idea of hwo it came to this, but its still so saddening to see an institution that has been around and part of the history of AUC go down like this. FWIT these schools have to be run like a business and not all have had the ability to attract the top administrators who can handle the challenge but it can be done, look at what happened with Shaw U in Raleigh. And let us not forget the role the alumni associations of this institution will have in this. They are in for a hard line to tow but it can be done.
i attended an hbcu as well, and i feel that closing morris brown down may be a fantastic solution...black colleges have gotten to be akin to the situation of churches in the black community - about 10 on one block with 10% of the strength of one...
my solution? cut the ones that are not keeping up, combine into a stronger college, then break that one into smaller colleges once the strength has returned...otherwise, students at these very, very small black colleges will continue get substandard boarding, food, education and security and continue to be cheated...
Fletch
08-01-2003, 09:40 AM
A young man that I know recently went to Morris Brown. He ended up transferring.
I applied to two Black Colleges when I was a teen: Fisk and Morehouse. Got accepted to both, but had to reject them. Morehouse gave me NO financial aid. And I don't believe that I got financial aid at Fisk, either (Didn't Fisk have Chapter 11 problems in the 80s?). Sorry, but I had to do what was best for me at the time.
If the two HUs (Howard and Hampton) are gonna be the only ones standing, then HBCU's are in serious trouble. HBCUs are among the biggest victims of integration. However, if lack of effective management is to blame (touched upon in this thread), then there's another problem. Peace.
Leslie
08-01-2003, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by einnod23:
However, if lack of effective management is to blame (touched upon in this thread), then there's another problem. Peace. In many cases that's what it was/is. Often times not only were/are these colleges a source of education, they were also a source of employment for many people of color from faculty to maintenance, to the many different offices on the campuses. You also had many who were rather unqualified working in these postions and probably got the job in the first place because a family member was able to "get them in" - which I have no problem with but folks need to be qualified. Now as far as the administration of the schools are concerned, many presidents where of the old line who relied heavily on govt money, alumni money, church money, and tuition, money from organizations such as the UNCF - very few understood when times began to change and there was a need for them to go out and become fund raisers. That's why my school had been so successful in increasing its endowment - our president knew the game, knew how to play it, and we benefitted greatly from it. My Mom's school went through a similar situation (she's very active in her alumni association) and they went through a few presidents until they got one they understood you gotta get out and raise money, not sit in the office and look cute, get out there and chase the money down - sponsorships, corporate gifts, continue to encourage alumni and current students that when the time comes to give, especially if they are at companies that provide matching gifts. If you have a good, committed team in place you can pull a school back from the brink.
corwin
08-01-2003, 10:09 AM
Leslie, what happened with Shaw U? My brother started out there then transferred (enthusiatically to NCCU) in the late 80's. I haven't heard much about the school since leaving the area twelve years ago.
Leslie
08-01-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by corwin:
Leslie, what happened with Shaw U? My brother started out there then transferred (enthusiatically to NCCU) in the late 80's. I haven't heard much about the school since leaving the area twelve years ago. My sister graduated from Shaw in the mid 90's. Shaw had gone completely bankrupt and had to get rid of all its extra cirrucular activities. Slowly but surely with A LOT of help from its most famous alumni Willie Gary they made their way back. While my sister was there only basketball had been brought back and they would have their homecoming during the first month of basketball season instead of during football season. Last I heard, may sister and I have not discussed it as of late, the football team was either being brought back or is back. The school has made a lot of strides, enrollement increased so much while my sister was there that the school ended up renting apartment complexes and using them as off campus housing. Willie Gary has A LOT to do with this - he would not give up on his school because that school was there for him and provided him a way when there was not way.
Your brother went to NCCU - better choice than St. Aug....(just jokes, those of us who went to these schools know how we do...)
Fletch
08-01-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by corwin:
Leslie, what happened with Shaw U? My brother started out there then transferred (enthusiatically to NCCU) in the late 80's. I haven't heard much about the school since leaving the area twelve years ago. My sister graduated from Shaw in the mid 90's. Shaw had gone completely bankrupt and had to get rid of all its extra cirrucular activities. Slowly but surely with A LOT of help from its most famous alumni Willie Gary they made their way back. While my sister was there only basketball had been brought back and they would have their homecoming during the first month of basketball season instead of during football season. Last I heard, may sister and I have not discussed it as of late, the football team was either being brought back or is back. The school has made a lot of strides, enrollement increased so much while my sister was there that the school ended up renting apartment complexes and using them as off campus housing. Willie Gary has A LOT to do with this - he would not give up on his school because that school was there for him and provided him a way when there was not way.
Your brother went to NCCU - better choice than St. Aug....(just jokes, those of us who went to these schools know how we do...) </font>[/QUOTE]If football is coming around, then Shaw has rebounded. Football is not an easy sport to maintain (equipment, insurance, etc).
A couple of years ago, I saw Prairie View basketball take the SWAC, and gain a berth in the NCAA's. With road tops and home shorts. I said to myself, Daaaaaaaamn! You know some of these colleges are in trouble.
Leslie
08-01-2003, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by einnod23:
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A couple of years ago, I saw Prairie View basketball take the SWAC, and gain a berth in the NCAA's. With road tops and home shorts. I said to myself, Daaaaaaaamn! You know some of these colleges are in trouble. [/QB]Nothing new - we jumped out of the CIAA a few years back and I believe Howard(correct me if I am wrong) jumped out of the MEAC also - if it was not Howard then it was another school - its called follow the money....sad but true.
corwin
08-01-2003, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by corwin:
Leslie, what happened with Shaw U? My brother started out there then transferred (enthusiatically to NCCU) in the late 80's. I haven't heard much about the school since leaving the area twelve years ago. My sister graduated from Shaw in the mid 90's. Shaw had gone completely bankrupt and had to get rid of all its extra cirrucular activities. Slowly but surely with A LOT of help from its most famous alumni Willie Gary they made their way back. While my sister was there only basketball had been brought back and they would have their homecoming during the first month of basketball season instead of during football season. Last I heard, may sister and I have not discussed it as of late, the football team was either being brought back or is back. The school has made a lot of strides, enrollement increased so much while my sister was there that the school ended up renting apartment complexes and using them as off campus housing. Willie Gary has A LOT to do with this - he would not give up on his school because that school was there for him and provided him a way when there was not way.
Your brother went to NCCU - better choice than St. Aug....(just jokes, those of us who went to these schools know how we do...) </font>[/QUOTE]:D
I think Shaw was to NCCU what Hunter is to Columbia.
While at Shaw, my brother often joked that he attended Sing Sing University. LOL! I could see why he couldn't wait to get out. At the time, those dorms had the cold, barren feel of a housing project. I'm not sure how a student could feel he/she is going to right direction scholastically living under those conditions.
I do, however have to give Shaw (university radio) props for introducing me to house music in the late 80's while I was studying at that big ol' plantation NC State.
julian_kelly
08-01-2003, 12:26 PM
FAM is movin to division 1-A football...I HATE to see this happen...this is killing 'Classic' football games
http://www.famu.edu/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1058980471&archive=&cnshow=news&start_from=
FAMU Ready for Leap But Move to I-A May Prove Costly posted:23 Jul 2003
FAMU Ready for Leap But Move to I-A May Prove Costly
By Alex Abrams
Tallahassee, Fla. - Troy State athletics director Johnny Williams received a visit in May from half of Florida A&M's athletics staff.
Rattlers officials were looking into the possibility of upgrading their football program from the lower-tier Division I-AA to Division I-A, and they wanted to speak with schools that had made the same move.
Troy State was the last school to do so, completing a four-year journey in 2002 to become a Division I-A football program.
"The advantage they [FAMU] have that we didn't have is that they already have a national appeal," Williams said. "They go to Cincinnati or Miami and pack in crowds. They have a huge fan base."
And now the Rattlers have the NCAA's approval to become the first historically black college to go to Division I-A.
On Monday, the NCAA Reclassification Committee approved FAMU's application to become a Division I-A program, something the school has looked to do for more than a decade.
"The NCAA has placed the ball on the 1-yard line, and we are certainly going to score," FAMU president Fred Gainous said.
The Rattlers, who report for two-a-day practices on Aug. 6, will play the upcoming season in Division I-AA before going to Division I-A in 2004.
A handful of other schools have made the move from Division I-AA in the past decade, including Central Florida in 1996 and South Florida in 2001.
But should FAMU follow suit by entering the ranks of high-stakes college football, where schools can make millions or lose them as quickly?
Williams agrees with FAMU's decision to upgrade its program. Since Troy State went to Division I-A in 2002, contributions from the school's boosters have at least doubled, and five-year, $80,000 leases for 27 luxury suites in Movie Gallery Veterans Stadium have been sold.
", we had 11 national championships in Division II and we were struggling to get money from the state legislature," Williams said.
But supporting a major college football program isn't cheap. FAMU must raise its football budget from $2 million to at least $4 million to cover the costs associated with having a Division I-A program, including more scholarships, additional coaches and facility improvements.
In addition, the school must raise its total athletics budget from approximately $6 million to $9 million.
Florida A&M interim athletics director J.R.E. Lee III said yesterday that the school has already raised enough money for its first year in Division I-A through fund-raisers and football classics, and it should be "a lot easier" to meet the second-year's goal.
Lee also added that FAMU will soon begin its search for a conference affiliation. The Sun Belt Conference and Conference USA have been mentioned as possibilities.
"We expect to not have any [trouble finding a conference] because simply we bring so much to the table," Lee said. "I think any conference that might see us as a good addition will find that to be the case."
But not every school has reaped the financial rewards of becoming a Division I-A program. On June 10, Tulane University's board of trustees voted 27-0 to keep the school's football program in Division I-A, despite losing $7 million a year.
Georgia Southern athletics director Sam Baker opposes the sentiment that a school must have a Division I-A football program in order for its athletics program to be financially successful.
Despite the Eagles winning six Division I-AA national championships since 1985, Baker insists his program won't follow FAMU to Division I-A.
"Why would you want to move from a level that you can be very successful at to a level that the track record is not very good for the schools that made that move?" Baker said. "... I don't understand that thinking."
Baker said his school's athletics program operates on a $6.5-million budget, which matches FAMU's but is far lower than the $25 million he believes it takes to be competitive in Division I-A football.
But Lee believes FAMU could show other Division I-AA programs how to make the move in ranks without experiencing the financial pitfalls.
"I don't know how much we'll be seen as a role model for other schools," Lee said. "But maybe other schools of the same size will see they have that same opportunity to do what we did."
Originally posted by Leslie:
[b] </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
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A couple of years ago, I saw Prairie View basketball take the SWAC, and gain a berth in the NCAA's. With road tops and home shorts. I said to myself, Daaaaaaaamn! You know some of these colleges are in trouble. Nothing new - we jumped out of the CIAA a few years back and I believe Howard(correct me if I am wrong) jumped out of the MEAC also - if it was not Howard then it was another school - its called follow the money....sad but true. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]
LEONARD REMIX RROY
08-01-2003, 12:57 PM
Things are hard everywhere but, it shouldn't be that way for education. I don't what I read about the college at all. I hear and see alot of pride in Blacks who attended Black colleges. From the outside looking I reall feel for the school.
Fletch
08-01-2003, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Leslie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by einnod23:
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A couple of years ago, I saw Prairie View basketball take the SWAC, and gain a berth in the NCAA's. With road tops and home shorts. I said to myself, Daaaaaaaamn! You know some of these colleges are in trouble. Nothing new - we jumped out of the CIAA a few years back and I believe Howard(correct me if I am wrong) jumped out of the MEAC also - if it was not Howard then it was another school - its called follow the money....sad but true. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Actually, I meant that they took the SWAC Championship. Prairie View is still in the conference.
And props to Hampton for the biggest win in the history of Black College sports--a one point upset win over 2 seed Iowa State in the 2001 NCAA Tournament First Round (How did ISU's Jamaal Tinsley miss that layup???). Peace.
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