How will we know it's the "real" Saddam???

[sezy]

found this interesting article, i just thought i'd share.


SO HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO FOOL YOU WITH A "FAKE" SADDAM.
http://www.rense.com/general45/roots.htm

[D J 1 3 8]

http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif
This makes no sense. DNA testing can prove his identity. Faking a Sadaam capture would be a huge blunder, as he would simply immediately release proof to Al Jazeera that it's not him.

[sezy]

hey i'm just putting it out there... we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness. graemlins/conf44.gif

[sezy]

oh and BTW, if people were after my ass and they caught someone they thought was me... i wouldn't say peep, i'd be like hell yeah home free.

get a fake identity, move to costa rica and sip frosty beverages out of a coconut... just me. ;)

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by sezy:
we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness.Sure they have lied. But a lie this easy to disprove wouldn't be to their advantage. The world is watching their every move.

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised that they haven't faked finding WMDs. That seems like something they might be able to get away with. Perhaps they are saving it for a more timely occasion.

[DJ76]

Originally posted by sezy:
hey i'm just putting it out there... we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness. graemlins/conf44.gif and there has to be more people like you out there realizing that the epoch where people believed without questionning that "the king can do no wrong"... well, that epoch is over.

[mdpm99]

Greetings sezy:

We posted within "2 seconds of each other" you being 9:17 therefore earlier than I did.

I love it! dhp psychic message board smile.gif

Topic: Going back to my fruits, opps! excuse me, I mean my roots


posted December 17, 2003 09:19 AM

I will put your link on my post. There is also some more info re your subject "overthere."

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[ December 17, 2003, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[sammyrock]

Tell me bout it.......he kinda loox like David Mancuso...lol lol(Its all love David). :D ;)

[Digiman]

It's definitely Saddam. THE END!

[variable]

Always looking for the X-files answer, makes you just as much of a sheep as someon that watches CNN all day. Putting smoke into the air makes it harder to see clearly.

[sezy]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
QUOTE]To be honest, I'm kind of surprised that they haven't faked finding WMDs. That seems like something they might be able to get away with. Perhaps they are saving it for a more timely occasion. so true, so true....

david, we are always on the same page. i always look forward to reading your political posts.

[djyoavb]

shazam

[mdpm99]

It wouldn't surprise me either if they also have Bin Laden on ice to......waiting for just the right moment.

Everything is staged......down to the "plastic turkey" (yes it was a fake) Bu$hit was holding for photo op when he snuck into Iraq 4 Thanksgiving day.

Oh Well......

In any case, may the New Year bring us all peace and joy. smile.gif

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Ps.

Not for nothing folks, but I remember only too well Watergate. I got a good taste of what our government is capable of. Thanks 2 the 2 reporters and the Washington Post for having the courage to break the story.

[ December 17, 2003, 11:31 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[djyoavb]

David the commi graemlins/rofl.gif

[mdpm99]

I Got him Daddy!

You made him Daddy and I got him. Cost a few American Boys and Girls but no big deal. None of our friends got hurt and Uncle Cheney is making millions off of it. We are spending all of this country's money in our new Eastern oil fields and we have the American people under control. No jobs, and the old and poor are going to suffer more until they realize I am "KING George". How dare they ever disagree with me. Don't worry no one is interested in Afghanistan, no money to be made there. Wait a minute , I forgot our Poppy fields are doing fine. Have a nice GOP day.

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[Bold Soul]

Shit that stands out for me:

1. They found him near Tikrit. MONTHS of searching for him and they finally find him in a hole near his FUCKIN' HOMETOWN???!!!

That's like saying they found Waldo...in his bed sleeping. I hope it's a sham, because, if not, that's just plain INEPT.

2. What the fuck is everyone smiling about? In this week's Newsweek, pictures upon pictures of people smiling and making pronouncements such as "Ladies and Gentlemen...we've got him." Cigar lighting...cheering...back-slapping...hmm...you mutherfuckers didn't win the Superbowl. After DECADES of destruction, mayhem and misery, thousands of dead bodies and the suffering of millions, you finally caught ONE MUTHAFUKA.

Break out the Moet.

3. Why is this front page news? Why ISN'T Haliburton fleecing the White House front page news?

I'm so done with all of this now.

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by variable:
Always looking for the X-files answer, makes you just as much of a sheep as someon that watches CNN all day. Putting smoke into the air makes it harder to see clearly. oh, can it will ya?! if i read the word "sheep" one more time on this board, i am gonna catch a *baaaaad* case. graemlins/biglaugha.gif

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by variable:
Always looking for the X-files answer, makes you just as much of a sheep as someon that watches CNN all day. Putting smoke into the air makes it harder to see clearly. oh, can it will ya?! if i read the word "sheep" one more time on this board, i am gonna catch a *baaaaad* case. graemlins/biglaugha.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Seasons Greetings THX-1138:

smile.gif Ok U asked 4 it!! I wanna know why SHEEP don't shrink when it rains?

What say you???

:D

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[ December 17, 2003, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by variable:
Always looking for the X-files answer, makes you just as much of a sheep as someon that watches CNN all day. Putting smoke into the air makes it harder to see clearly. oh, can it will ya?! if i read the word "sheep" one more time on this board, i am gonna catch a *baaaaad* case. graemlins/biglaugha.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Seasons Greetings THX-1138:

smile.gif Ok U asked 4 it!! I wanna know why SHEEP don't shrink when it rains?

What say you???

:D

d </font>[/QUOTE]Sheep, eh? "X-Files" answer, eh? graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Seasons Greetings THX-1138:

smile.gif Ok U asked 4 it!! I wanna know why SHEEP don't shrink when it rains?

What say you???

:D

d Season's Greetings to you, David! Oh man, that's a toughy. Is this one of those koans I ought to reflect on or something? graemlins/rofl.gif

It's good to know that sheep like me are weather-proof! yuk yuk yuk...

[Chris Conrad]

Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by sezy:
hey i'm just putting it out there... we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness. graemlins/conf44.gif and there has to be more people like you out there realizing that the epoch where people believed without questionning that "the king can do no wrong"... well, that epoch is over. </font>[/QUOTE]alex, most americans i come across daily have no clue as to anyhting...they wave flags but can't answer basic questions like who the mayor of their own town is or basic constitutional facts...

[Chris Conrad]

Originally posted by sezy:
oh and BTW, if people were after my ass and they caught someone they thought was me... i wouldn't say peep, i'd be like hell yeah home free.

get a fake identity, move to costa rica and sip frosty beverages out of a coconut... just me. ;) costa rica is a fine place to get lost in...you'd be surprised how many expatriot americans live there...

[DJ76]

Originally posted by Chris Conrad:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by sezy:
hey i'm just putting it out there... we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness. graemlins/conf44.gif and there has to be more people like you out there realizing that the epoch where people believed without questionning that "the king can do no wrong"... well, that epoch is over. </font>[/QUOTE]alex, most americans i come across daily have no clue as to anyhting...they wave flags but can't answer basic questions like who the mayor of their own town is or basic constitutional facts... </font>[/QUOTE]Ya, well they didn't send the best elements from England back in the 1600s, did they! ;)

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chris Conrad:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by sezy:
hey i'm just putting it out there... we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness. graemlins/conf44.gif and there has to be more people like you out there realizing that the epoch where people believed without questionning that "the king can do no wrong"... well, that epoch is over. </font>[/QUOTE]alex, most americans i come across daily have no clue as to anyhting...they wave flags but can't answer basic questions like who the mayor of their own town is or basic constitutional facts... </font>[/QUOTE]Ya, well they didn't send the best elements from England back in the 1600s, did they! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]As I seem to recall, the most well-known and celebrated of these "immigrants" happened to be a gaggle of right-wing religious nut-jobs who regularly barbecued those who went against their grain.

So familiar, it's spooky.

[DJ76]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chris Conrad:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by sezy:
hey i'm just putting it out there... we can not deny that our government has lied to us before. there are methods to their madness. graemlins/conf44.gif and there has to be more people like you out there realizing that the epoch where people believed without questionning that "the king can do no wrong"... well, that epoch is over. </font>[/QUOTE]alex, most americans i come across daily have no clue as to anyhting...they wave flags but can't answer basic questions like who the mayor of their own town is or basic constitutional facts... </font>[/QUOTE]Ya, well they didn't send the best elements from England back in the 1600s, did they! ;) </font>[/QUOTE]As I seem to recall, the most well-known and celebrated of these "immigrants" happened to be a gaggle of right-wing religious nut-jobs who regularly barbecued those who went against their grain.

So familiar, it's spooky. </font>[/QUOTE]I guess they're more sophisticated and don't barbecue them anymore graemlins/conf44.gif

In our history books (in Canadia), we are thaught that those that came from France were mainly criminals, robbers and "filles du Roi" (ie, prostitutes, etc...). But then again, one can contest why these people were criminals or prostitutes and if it's not those in power that decided the faith of their subordinates.

[TAD]

Originally posted by sezy:
found this interesting article, i just thought i'd share.


SO HOW EASY IT WOULD BE TO FOOL YOU WITH A "FAKE" SADDAM.
http://www.rense.com/general45/roots.htm when the first photos of saddams capture were released, i didn't believe they were real. it was the inconsistency of the hair that gave it away for me.

[TAD]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif
This makes no sense. DNA testing can prove his identity. Faking a Sadaam capture would be a huge blunder, as he would simply immediately release proof to Al Jazeera that it's not him. when rumsfeld was interviewed on 60 minutes & asked about proof of saddams identity, dna testing was not mentioned. strange? why wouldn't he bring up the very thing that was supposedly the key factor & ultimate beyond the shadow of a doubt proof in determining saddams identity?

also a reporter on cnn failed to to do the same. mysteriously the dna angle did not seem to be a priority in certain instances. what a bizarre coincidence.

[sezy]

Originally posted by Chris Conrad:
costa rica is a fine place to get lost in...you'd be surprised how many expatriot americans live there... sounds good, i'll see ya there.... start the revolution shall we. i'm down.

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif
This makes no sense. DNA testing can prove his identity. Faking a Sadaam capture would be a huge blunder, as he would simply immediately release proof to Al Jazeera that it's not him. when rumsfeld was interviewed on 60 minutes & asked about proof of saddams identity, dna testing was not mentioned. strange? why wouldn't he bring up the very thing that was supposedly the key factor & ultimate beyond the shadow of a doubt proof in determining saddams identity?

also a reporter on cnn failed to to do the same. mysteriously the dna angle did not seem to be a priority in certain instances. what a bizarre coincidence. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm under the impression that DNA testing is a last resort. Don't know why, really. It seems like they check for known scars and medical conditions before testing a relative for a DNA match. Most news reports I saw mentioned DNA as the only final proof.

[D J 1 3 8]

Sunnis Don't Believe Saddam Was Captured

Wednesday, December 17, 2003

FALLUJAH, Iraq — In this restive city and across Iraq's Sunni heartland, many Saddam loyalists refuse to believe that a disheveled and bearded man in U.S. captivity is their ousted leader, whose 23-year rule boosted their position as the country's political elite.

Saddam Hussein's capture Saturday touched off a wave of clashes between insurgents and U.S. troops and their Iraqi allies in Fallujah (search), Samarra, Tikrit (search) and Mosul.

The cities straddle areas dominated by Sunni Arabs, who had held the reins of power over the country's Shiite Muslim majority until the Iraqi leader was ousted in the U.S.-led war.

The attacks — along with pro-Saddam protests in Sunni areas of Baghdad and other cities — appear aimed at spoiling the major victory scored by the United States when it nabbed the former dictator in a hideout near his hometown of Tikrit.

Sunni defiance showed itself in attitudes as well as actions.

"It is someone wearing a Saddam mask," volunteered Waleed Ibrahim, a 25-year-old tire repairman in Fallujah, 30 miles west of Baghdad. "It is a trick to help President Bush get re-elected."

Minutes before he spoke, U.S. tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles and Humvees carrying dozens of troops roared into the city in a show of force after a night of clashes with Saddam loyalists.

Jet-fighters screamed overhead and two helicopters dived and swerved at low altitude.

"The coalition forces have arrested Saddam Hussein. Reports that it is a Saddam double are false," declared a voice on a loudspeaker fixed on one U.S. Humvee in Fallujah on Tuesday.

"The old regime will never come back. This is the end of the Baath party (search)," said the voice, speaking in Arabic.

"Whoever carries a weapon will be killed," the voice said.

"This is terrorism," said Hamed Ali, a shopkeeper, who recounted how jets buzzed the city for most of Monday night. "Even children were cursing the Americans."

The incredulity at news of Saddam's capture was only the latest in a series of reactions that have defined the mood among some Sunnis since Saddam's ouster eight months ago.

Iraq's Sunnis greeted news of the July killings of Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay with similar disbelief. They often dismiss evidence of crimes against humanity committed by Saddam's 1979-2003 regime as fabrications of the United States, Iran and their Iraqi allies.

The defiance is partly a reaction to the loss of prestige and privileges in a new political order that restored the rights of the country's Shiite majority and large Kurdish minority — groups long victimized by the Sunni Arab minority. Between them, they account for about 80 percent of Iraq's 25 million people.

In Tikrit, Saddam loyalists tried to stage a demonstration in support of the former dictator Tuesday, but neither the city's U.S.-backed governor nor the U.S. military were prepared to stand by and watch.

"Any demonstration against the government or the coalition forces will be fired upon," the governor, Hussein al-Jaburi, said on a loudspeaker mounted on a U.S. military vehicle.

"They will not be allowed to go around kissing pictures of Saddam," said Lt. Col. Steven Russell of the Tikrit-based 4th Infantry Division. "We cannot hand out lollipops in this city. It does not work here."

Earlier Tuesday, Russell had a stern warning for the organizer of a pro-Saddam march: "If our ears and eyes see you organizing demonstrations or anti-coalition acts, you will be in jail for a very long time."

In Fallujah, several hundred armed protesters carrying Saddam portraits stormed the mayor's office Monday, forcing policemen to flee to the nearby police headquarters, according to witnesses. U.S. troops backed by tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles came to their rescue but were attacked by insurgents. They fired back, killing one guerrilla.

U.S. military sources in the area said insurgents Tuesday attacked an Iraqi train ferrying military supplies with rocket-propelled grenades, setting three of its cars ablaze.

[TAD]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif
This makes no sense. DNA testing can prove his identity. Faking a Sadaam capture would be a huge blunder, as he would simply immediately release proof to Al Jazeera that it's not him. when rumsfeld was interviewed on 60 minutes & asked about proof of saddams identity, dna testing was not mentioned. strange? why wouldn't he bring up the very thing that was supposedly the key factor & ultimate beyond the shadow of a doubt proof in determining saddams identity?

also a reporter on cnn failed to to do the same. mysteriously the dna angle did not seem to be a priority in certain instances. what a bizarre coincidence. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm under the impression that DNA testing is a last resort. Don't know why, really. It seems like they check for known scars and medical conditions before testing a relative for a DNA match. Most news reports I saw mentioned DNA as the only final proof. </font>[/QUOTE]when all else fails, dna would then be a last resort in my opinion. in this scenario dna testing would be required to convince the world that it is indeed saddam. after all, how could we doubt after a positive match.

whatever happened to fingerprinting. you'd figure they would have some fingerprint records. that would certainly be a positive id unless he had some skin grafting or it wasn't saddam but a double, in which case fingerprinting would be out of the question, as would dna. but when you concoct an elaborate scheme & coverup, dna proof would be the obvious lie of choice.

[TAD]

a last resort also because of the complexity, cost & extent of the procedure

[variable]

Originally posted by sezy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Chris Conrad:
costa rica is a fine place to get lost in...you'd be surprised how many expatriot americans live there... sounds good, i'll see ya there.... start the revolution shall we. i'm down. </font>[/QUOTE]I keep telling you. U aint goning to join no revolution. U wouldn't even steal cable.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/tinfoilhat.gif
This makes no sense. DNA testing can prove his identity. Faking a Sadaam capture would be a huge blunder, as he would simply immediately release proof to Al Jazeera that it's not him. when rumsfeld was interviewed on 60 minutes & asked about proof of saddams identity, dna testing was not mentioned. strange? why wouldn't he bring up the very thing that was supposedly the key factor & ultimate beyond the shadow of a doubt proof in determining saddams identity?

also a reporter on cnn failed to to do the same. mysteriously the dna angle did not seem to be a priority in certain instances. what a bizarre coincidence. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm under the impression that DNA testing is a last resort. Don't know why, really. It seems like they check for known scars and medical conditions before testing a relative for a DNA match. Most news reports I saw mentioned DNA as the only final proof. </font>[/QUOTE]when all else fails, dna would then be a last resort in my opinion. in this scenario dna testing would be required to convince the world that it is indeed saddam. after all, how could we doubt after a positive match.

whatever happened to fingerprinting. you'd figure they would have some fingerprint records. that would certainly be a positive id unless he had some skin grafting or it wasn't saddam but a double, in which case fingerprinting would be out of the question, as would dna. but when you concoct an elaborate scheme & coverup, dna proof would be the obvious lie of choice. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sure you could pull Saddam's fingerprints from the penis of many in Washington.

[TAD]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I'm sure you could pull Saddam's fingerprints from the penis of many in Washington. hahahahahhaha yeah he's a lifetime member

[variable]

Originally posted by THX-1138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by variable:
Always looking for the X-files answer, makes you just as much of a sheep as someon that watches CNN all day. Putting smoke into the air makes it harder to see clearly. oh, can it will ya?! if i read the word "sheep" one more time on this board, i am gonna catch a *baaaaad* case. graemlins/biglaugha.gif </font>[/QUOTE]What I mean is, it does not matter that the gub-ment might be lying this time. What should matter is that they lie all the time and we do nothing about it. All this mystery talk does nothing but make you sound psuedo "smart" at some fools dinner table. Im just tired of talking about Conspiracies I wanna talk about getting this Money Playa!!!!!
graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[sezy]

Originally posted by variable:
What I mean is, it does not matter that the gub-ment might be lying this time. What should matter is that they lie all the time and we do nothing about it. All this mystery talk does nothing but make you sound psuedo "smart" at some fools dinner table. Im just tired of talking about Conspiracies I wanna talk about getting this Money Playa!!!!!
graemlins/cool_shades.gif oh how it saddens me, tha youdth dem'