The Last Samurai

[Mack-Williams]

I know some of you all was dissing it, but I am going to see it tomorrow or Saturday.

[Ish]

it might be ok, I dunno, but it seems like Tom Cruise ONLY picks roles that glorify him as some type of god-send hero or something

I mean, the LAST samurai is some american...

graemlins/conf44.gif

He is not a horrible actor though.

[ December 04, 2003, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: Ish ]

[Mack-Williams]

Storyline - Civil War hero goes to Japan to help modernize their army and learns the way of the Samurai. I know I love Shogun when it use come on. I was glued to the TV for 5 days.

[ December 04, 2003, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: Mack-Williams ]

[liL Ray]

question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?...

[kev]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?... I can tell you that I definitely will NOT be watching this flick. F dat.

[Mack-Williams]

What's wrong with Tom Cruise? graemlins/conf44.gif

[Ish]

Almost the entire cast I heard is actual japanese acting stars.

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?... I don't see why they would be. And plus TC's characters have hooked up with every other nationality now. I know that's why he REALLY took the role.

He's not, thankfully, wearing Keanu-Little-Buddha style makeup or anything. He plays an American turned culture vulture. Nothing new...but I will give it a chance smile.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Storyline - Civil War hero goes to Japan to help modernize their army and learns the way of the Samurai. I know I love Shogun when it use come on. I was glued to the TV for 5 days. you should read the book, way better

[JoeB]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?... ray, you should read more about the storyline before you ask such a question.

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Storyline - Civil War hero goes to Japan to help modernize their army and learns the way of the Samurai. I know I love Shogun when it use come on. I was glued to the TV for 5 days. you should read the book, way better </font>[/QUOTE]Which Book Last Samurai or Shogun?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Storyline - Civil War hero goes to Japan to help modernize their army and learns the way of the Samurai. I know I love Shogun when it use come on. I was glued to the TV for 5 days. you should read the book, way better </font>[/QUOTE]Which Book Last Samurai or Shogun? </font>[/QUOTE]shogun

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?... ray, you should read more about the storyline before you ask such a question. </font>[/QUOTE]I wish I had the time to spend running around to research movie storylines....this is why I asked....before you put me on blast, why don't you educate me first...from the point of view of a moviegoer, sitting in the movies watching the previews, it just struck me as odd...maybe it was the title of the movie and seeing the image of the white man as savior (as usual, you know how Hollywood do...refer to Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra) that threw me for a loop....

so educate me please.....

[JoeB]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?... ray, you should read more about the storyline before you ask such a question. </font>[/QUOTE]I wish I had the time to spend running around to research movie storylines....this is why I asked....before you put me on blast, why don't you educate me first...from the point of view of a moviegoer, sitting in the movies watching the previews, it just struck me as odd...maybe it was the title of the movie and seeing the image of the white man as savior (as usual, you know how Hollywood do...refer to Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra) that threw me for a loop....

so educate me please..... </font>[/QUOTE]definitely not gonna blast you, brother, but i just thought you could easily check out a trailer or go to the film's site to get the basic premise of the film.

but i'll copy and paste what's on there to give you some kind of idea on what this movie is about as i am definitely NOT an expert on the story or the book.


"Captain Nathan Algren (TOM CRUISE) is a man adrift. The battles he once fought now seem distant and futile. Once he risked his life for honor and country, but, in the years since the Civil War, the world has changed. Pragmatism has replaced courage, self-interest has taken the place of sacrifice and honor is nowhere to be found - especially out West where his role in the Indian Campaigns ended in disillusionment and sorrow.

Somewhere on the unforgiving plains near the banks of the Washita River, Algren lost his soul.

A universe away, another soldier sees his way of life about to disintegrate. He is Katsumoto (KEN WATANABE), the last leader of an ancient line of warriors, the venerated Samurai, who dedicated their lives to serving emperor and country. Just as the modern way encroached upon the American West, cornering and condemning the Native American, it also engulfed traditional Japan. The telegraph lines and railroads that brought progress now threaten those values and codes by which the Samurai have lived and died for centuries.

But Katsumoto will not go without a fight.

The paths of these two warriors converge when the young Emperor of Japan, wooed by American interests who covet the growing Japanese market, hires Algren to train Japan's first modern, conscript army. But as the Emperor's advisors attempt to eradicate the Samurai in preparation for a more Westernized and trade-friendly government, Algren finds himself unexpectedly impressed and influenced by his encounters with the Samurai. Their powerful convictions remind him of the man he once was.

Thrust now into harsh and unfamiliar territory, with his life and perhaps more important, his soul, in the balance, the troubled American soldier finds himself at the center of a violent and epic struggle between two eras and two worlds, with only his sense of honor to guide him."

[mhd]

sounds like "Dances with Samurai"

[Brut by Faberge]

Originally posted by mhd:
sounds like "Dances with Samurai" icon_rofl.gif

[Brut by Faberge]

poste double...

[ December 04, 2003, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: THX-1138 ]

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JoeB:
[QUOTE] definitely not gonna blast you, brother, but i just thought you could easily check out a trailer or go to the film's site to get the basic premise of the film.

but i'll copy and paste what's on there to give you some kind of idea on what this movie is about as i am definitely NOT an expert on the story or the book.


"Captain Nathan Algren (TOM CRUISE) is a man adrift. The battles he once fought now seem distant and futile. Once he risked his life for honor and country, but, in the years since the Civil War, the world has changed. Pragmatism has replaced courage, self-interest has taken the place of sacrifice and honor is nowhere to be found - especially out West where his role in the Indian Campaigns ended in disillusionment and sorrow.

Somewhere on the unforgiving plains near the banks of the Washita River, Algren lost his soul.

A universe away, another soldier sees his way of life about to disintegrate. He is Katsumoto (KEN WATANABE), the last leader of an ancient line of warriors, the venerated Samurai, who dedicated their lives to serving emperor and country. Just as the modern way encroached upon the American West, cornering and condemning the Native American, it also engulfed traditional Japan. The telegraph lines and railroads that brought progress now threaten those values and codes by which the Samurai have lived and died for centuries.

But Katsumoto will not go without a fight.

The paths of these two warriors converge when the young Emperor of Japan, wooed by American interests who covet the growing Japanese market, hires Algren to train Japan's first modern, conscript army. But as the Emperor's advisors attempt to eradicate the Samurai in preparation for a more Westernized and trade-friendly government, Algren finds himself unexpectedly impressed and influenced by his encounters with the Samurai. Their powerful convictions remind him of the man he once was.

Thrust now into harsh and unfamiliar territory, with his life and perhaps more important, his soul, in the balance, the troubled American soldier finds himself at the center of a violent and epic struggle between two eras and two worlds, with only his sense of honor to guide him." thanks, brother.....and do you see my point....I did see the trailer and just wasn't feeling it because of my above point....

[Mack-Williams]

Sounds good to me. I will let you all know how it is.

[variable]

Kenshin was the last Samurai................Ill be in line wit you man.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by mhd:
sounds like "Dances with Samurai" hahahaha...true.

and ray, i definitely see your point now. i'm definitely tempted to check it out at least but me and theaters, or i should say the patrons of theaters, just can't seem to work together. graemlins/conf44.gif

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
sounds like "Dances with Samurai" hahahaha...true.

and ray, i definitely see your point now. i'm definitely tempted to check it out at least but me and theaters, or i should say the patrons of theaters, just can't seem to work together. graemlins/conf44.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I doubt any misfits will be at this movie. Dont' go see Honey though.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
sounds like "Dances with Samurai" hahahaha...true.

and ray, i definitely see your point now. i'm definitely tempted to check it out at least but me and theaters, or i should say the patrons of theaters, just can't seem to work together. graemlins/conf44.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I doubt any misfits will be at this movie. Dont' go see Honey though. </font>[/QUOTE]even the "educated" georgetown students don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut. you would think, with their intelligence, that they would not have to talk and explain what exactly was going on during the film. i was a personal witness of this when i saw "21 grams". 5 ladies that appeared to be from the area would not shut the fuck up and kept on pointing at the screen and talk through most of the movie. i'm just grateful that i was able to forget about them during the many very well acted scenes. they gave me the dirtiest look when i "shhhhhhhhh!!"'d them. go figure. i'm the dick.

[Ish]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
sounds like "Dances with Samurai" hahahaha...true.

and ray, i definitely see your point now. i'm definitely tempted to check it out at least but me and theaters, or i should say the patrons of theaters, just can't seem to work together. graemlins/conf44.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I doubt any misfits will be at this movie. Dont' go see Honey though. </font>[/QUOTE]even the "educated" georgetown students don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut. you would think, with their intelligence, that they would not have to talk and explain what exactly was going on during the film. i was a personal witness of this when i saw "21 grams". 5 ladies that appeared to be from the area would not shut the fuck up and kept on pointing at the screen and talk through most of the movie. i'm just grateful that i was able to forget about them during the many very well acted scenes. they gave me the dirtiest look when i "shhhhhhhhh!!"'d them. go figure. i'm the dick. </font>[/QUOTE]Recently I went to see that movie "Shattered Glass" in Evanston, and the audience was mostly older peeps in their 40s and 50s. But low and behold, this 30-something couple sits down next to me and my friend, and open up an industrial sized bag of chips. From the very beginning I knew this was gonna be annoying as hell. After about 15 minutes into the movie and relentless crunching of chips in their mouths and also the crinkling sound of the bag, I started to lose it.

I have never been one to confront people, but on this occasion I was so amazed by this behavior, so I just turned to them, waited for them to acknowledge that I was looking at them, and in a moment of frustration said "You have got to be kidding me!!!!"

I said it real loud, and its really not my style, but I lost it.

Of course these grown adults were too stubborn to take a hint so a few minutes later we moved down front in the neck bending seats but enjoyed the movie anyways cause we didn't have to hear that nonsense.

People are just plain aloof sometimes, have no idea of their surreoundings or the effect their behavior has on those around them.

mad1.gif

[JoeB]

and i work nights, ish, so i like to hit up the theater during the day and it never fucking fails. that's kinda why i said fuck it and i went out and got a big ass t.v. because i was tired of being so goddamn frustrated at a venue where i spend my money when it should be an enjoyable time. i think i'm just very anal too though. graemlins/conf44.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by JoeB:
and i work nights, ish, so i like to hit up the theater during the day and it never fucking fails. that's kinda why i said fuck it and i went out and got a big ass t.v. because i was tired of being so goddamn frustrated at a venue where i spend my money when it should be an enjoyable time. i think i'm just very anal too though. graemlins/conf44.gif what tv did you buy? i'm looking to get one

[JoeB]

nothing too crazy, mark. i wanted to stay within my budget so i got the Panasonic 53" Widescreen Rear-Projection HDTV Monitor with 2-Tuner PIP and DVI Interface.

here is a pic.


http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/5336/5336157_ra.jpg

[richierich]

Not to digress but GothikA was GarbageA

[JoeB]

Originally posted by richierich:
Not to digress but GothikA was GarbageA i've heard so many bad things about that flick.

[mhd]

Originally posted by JoeB:
nothing too crazy, mark. i wanted to stay within my budget so i got the Panasonic 53" Widescreen Rear-Projection HDTV Monitor with 2-Tuner PIP and DVI Interface.

here is a pic.


http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/5336/5336157_ra.jpg that is a serious tv, and i'm messing around with a 27 inch sony

[E-Phi]

Originally posted by richierich:
Not to digress but GothikA was GarbageA Damn, that bad huh?

[richierich]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
nothing too crazy, mark. i wanted to stay within my budget so i got the Panasonic 53" Widescreen Rear-Projection HDTV Monitor with 2-Tuner PIP and DVI Interface.

here is a pic.


http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/5336/5336157_ra.jpg that is a serious tv, and i'm messing around with a 27 inch sony </font>[/QUOTE]Ok Mark send me your Sony..I'll take a Trinitron anyday.

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by E-Phi:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
Not to digress but GothikA was GarbageA Damn, that bad huh? </font>[/QUOTE]I liked it. One seen scared the shit out of me. I scream out Oh Shit.

[E-Phi]

Originally posted by variable:
Kenshin was the last Samurai................Ill be in line wit you man. Leave Rurouni out of this biggrinangel.gif

[JoeB]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
nothing too crazy, mark. i wanted to stay within my budget so i got the Panasonic 53" Widescreen Rear-Projection HDTV Monitor with 2-Tuner PIP and DVI Interface.

here is a pic.


http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/5336/5336157_ra.jpg that is a serious tv, and i'm messing around with a 27 inch sony </font>[/QUOTE]i did some nice research on projection t.v.'s and i was planning on buying one AFTER the holidays but after that last experience i had at the theater i told myself this would have to be my christmas present. i wish i had the link and i've tried looking for it but i have no idea how i came to it but the info is definitely out there if anybody is interested in buying one of these.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
that is a serious tv, and i'm messing around with a 27 inch sony Ok Mark send me your Sony..I'll take a Trinitron anyday. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah, tell me about it. i just couldn't afford one this time. sony's are the shit.

[ December 04, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: JoeB ]

[E-Phi]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by E-Phi:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
Not to digress but GothikA was GarbageA Damn, that bad huh? </font>[/QUOTE]I liked it. One seen scared the shit out of me. I scream out Oh Shit. </font>[/QUOTE]For me, it's what I hear not what I see that will get my nerves on edge graemlins/scared.gif kinda like when you're out in unfamiliar surroundings and you hear leaves crunching, occasional footsteps, cars backfiring in the distance and a quick but brief wind gust that topples garbage cans..you look around and don't see anyone :D

[Bold Soul]

You know...sometimes you have to get past all this "smallpox blanket" shit to really see "the forest for the trees" (as is term that many of the DHP has been playing out lately).

Hollywood is liberal to its core, even if it occasionally produces a few Charlton Hestons, John Waynes and Governators.

So here comes Cruise with a film that uses the historical era of the westernization of the Japanese military as BACKDROP for a drama about how an American gains perspective on America's warmongering cultural encroachment on the rest of the world...from OVER 100 years ago!

See, if you take the fuckin' bowties off and allow yourselves to breathe, you can get some air to your brains and see that this is what we in the drama business call METAPHOR!

Now how is an actor/producer like Tom Cruise, who uses his influence and power in Hollywood to expose some of these truths you broke Roger Eberts cum Tavis Smiley's CLAIM you covet so much to accomplish anything provacative if HE DOESN'T USE a WHITE AMERICAN MALE SOLDIER as the PROTAGANIST to...hmmm...I don't know...

...PROVE A POINT about the white American male cultural ethos of war and destruction as valuable occurance, hm?

Go get a late pass from Brother 2X's office fools.

Kirk out.

[ December 04, 2003, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
You know...sometimes you have to get past all this "smallpox blanket" shit to really see "the forest for the trees" (as is term that many of the DHP has been playing out lately).

Hollywood is liberal to its core, even if it produces people like Charlton Heston and the Governator.

So here comes Cruise with a film that uses the historical era of the westernization of the Japanese military as BACKDROP for a drama about how an American gains perspective on America's warmongering cultural encroachment on the rest of the world...from OVER 100 years ago!

See, if you take the fuckin' bowties off and allow yourselves to breathe, you can get some air to your brains and see that this is what we in the drama business call METAPHOR!

Now how is an actor/producer like Tom Cruise, who uses his influence and power in Hollywood to expose some of these truths you broke Roger Eberts cum Tavis Smiley's CLAIM you covet so much if HE DOESN'T USE a WHITE AMERICAN MALE SOLDIER as the PROTAGANIST to...hmmm...I don't know...

...PROVE A POINT about the white American male cultural ethos of war and destruction as valuable occurance, hm?

Go get a late pass from Brother 2X's office fools.

Kirk out. knew you would set shit straight.

graemlins/respekt.gif

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:



Now how is an actor/producer like Tom Cruise, who uses his influence and power in Hollywood to expose some of these truths you broke Roger Eberts cum Tavis Smiley's CLAIM you covet so much to accomplish anything provacative if HE DOESN'T USE a WHITE AMERICAN MALE SOLDIER as the PROTAGANIST to...hmmm...I don't know...

Explain. I am trying to understand you.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:



Now how is an actor/producer like Tom Cruise, who uses his influence and power in Hollywood to expose some of these truths you broke Roger Eberts cum Tavis Smiley's CLAIM you covet so much to accomplish anything provacative if HE DOESN'T USE a WHITE AMERICAN MALE SOLDIER as the PROTAGANIST to...hmmm...I don't know...

Explain. I am trying to understand you. </font>[/QUOTE]mack, you should have inserted the tail end of that quote to further see his point.

here it is:


Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
...PROVE A POINT about the white American male cultural ethos of war and destruction as valuable occurance, hm?

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:



Now how is an actor/producer like Tom Cruise, who uses his influence and power in Hollywood to expose some of these truths you broke Roger Eberts cum Tavis Smiley's CLAIM you covet so much to accomplish anything provacative if HE DOESN'T USE a WHITE AMERICAN MALE SOLDIER as the PROTAGANIST to...hmmm...I don't know...

Explain. I am trying to understand you. </font>[/QUOTE]mack, you should have inserted the tail end of that quote to further see his point.

here it is:


Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
...PROVE A POINT about the white American male cultural ethos of war and destruction as valuable occurance, hm?

</font>[/QUOTE]I got that. The Roger Ebert Cum and Travis Smiley thing is what I am not clear on.

[P-Flipp]

The Last Samauri In a nutshell:Tom Cruise plays a cocky hotshot Civil war hero sent to "modernize" the Japanese army only to discover that it is soul that can use some fixing,Hence his adoption of the way of the samauri in which he learns valuable things not picked up in the American military.Sounds like a decent story to me.

[ December 04, 2003, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: P-Flipp ]

[P-Flipp]

Originally posted by richierich:
Not to digress but GothikA was GarbageA Absolutely.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by P-Flipp:
The Last Samauri In a nutshell:Tom Cruise plays a cocky hotshot Civil war hero sent to "modernize" the Japanese army only to discover that it is soul that can use some fixing,Hence his adoption of the way of the samauri in which he learns valuable things not picked up in the American military.Sounds like a decent story to me. Well, that's a pretty nice perception you have there Flipp...but I saw an advance screening and its NOTHING like you described.

Tom Cruise has sneaked under the radar more subversive shit against what's going on in current US policy than Speilberg was able to do with "Minority Report", which includes a final denument that had to have been re-written by Ashcroft himself.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
I got that. The Roger Ebert Cum and Travis Smiley thing is what I am not clear on. Sorry to be confusing, Mack. That line is a jab to all of the knee-jerk film critics on the DHP who post "I'm not going to see that shit.", just because Tom Cruise is white and everyone else in the film isn't. Of course you're not going to see it. You'll get a bootleg from under the viaduct on Stony Island like usual.

BTW - I thought you J-Dubs don't go to the movies. You should get into Scientology. Then you can actually MAKE the movies you're not supposed to see. bwahahahaha! I'm a bastard - I know.

[ December 04, 2003, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

[P-Flipp]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by P-Flipp:
The Last Samauri In a nutshell:Tom Cruise plays a cocky hotshot Civil war hero sent to "modernize" the Japanese army only to discover that it is soul that can use some fixing,Hence his adoption of the way of the samauri in which he learns valuable things not picked up in the American military.Sounds like a decent story to me. Well, that's a pretty nice perception you have there Flipp...but I saw an advance screening and its NOTHING like you described.

Tom Cruise has sneaked under the radar more subversive shit against what's going on in current US policy than Speilberg was able to do with "Minority Report", which includes a final denument that had to have been re-written by Ashcroft himself. </font>[/QUOTE]I guess appearances can be deceptive but from seeing the trailers and watching Tom's interview with Katie Couric that is what I deduced.I'll see it and will post my final judgement.

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
I got that. The Roger Ebert Cum and Travis Smiley thing is what I am not clear on. Sorry to be confusing, Mack. That line is a jab to all of the knee-jerk film critics on the DHP who post "I'm not going to see that shit.", just because Tom Cruise is white and everyone else in the film isn't. Of course you're not going to see it. You'll get a bootleg from under the viaduct on Stony Island like usual.

BTW - I thought you J-Dubs don't go to the movies. You should get into Scientology. Then you can actually MAKE the movies you're not supposed to see. bwahahahaha! I'm a bastard - I know. </font>[/QUOTE]A funny bastard.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
I got that. The Roger Ebert Cum and Travis Smiley thing is what I am not clear on. Sorry to be confusing, Mack. That line is a jab to all of the knee-jerk film critics on the DHP who post "I'm not going to see that shit.", just because Tom Cruise is white and everyone else in the film isn't. Of course you're not going to see it. You'll get a bootleg from under the viaduct on Stony Island like usual.

BTW - I thought you J-Dubs don't go to the movies. You should get into Scientology. Then you can actually MAKE the movies you're not supposed to see. bwahahahaha! I'm a bastard - I know. </font>[/QUOTE]A funny bastard. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks. You know I'm only kidding w/you. graemlins/respekt.gif

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by P-Flipp:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by P-Flipp:
The Last Samauri In a nutshell:Tom Cruise plays a cocky hotshot Civil war hero sent to "modernize" the Japanese army only to discover that it is soul that can use some fixing,Hence his adoption of the way of the samauri in which he learns valuable things not picked up in the American military.Sounds like a decent story to me. Well, that's a pretty nice perception you have there Flipp...but I saw an advance screening and its NOTHING like you described.

Tom Cruise has sneaked under the radar more subversive shit against what's going on in current US policy than Speilberg was able to do with "Minority Report", which includes a final denument that had to have been re-written by Ashcroft himself. </font>[/QUOTE]I guess appearances can be deceptive but from seeing the trailers and watching Tom's interview with Katie Couric that is what I deduced.I'll see it and will post my final judgement. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, don't get me wrong. It's totally being marketed that way. Like the thugs and shotgun on the cover of "5150". Them muhphukas aren't even in the movie. My kid was like...

"Yo Dad...who the fuck are they?"

And I'm like...

"Fuck if I know, Son."

And he's like...

"Dayum. That's fucked up."

[Lupine]

What I'm trying to figure out is how Tom Cruise's character learns bushido in a matter of months. People spent their entire lives trying to live and master what Cruise's Algren did in such short a period of time.

I'm not watching this out of principle.

For those looking for a real, more current, samurai film, find a copy of Twilight Samurai (aka Tasogare Seibei) by Yoji Yamada. There are no flashy special effects, endless carnage, and Tom Cruise in this film. Just a simple, engaging story with outstanding acting performances.

[eleeut]

i'm looking forward to see Takeshi Kitano's Zatoichi.

[djdub63]

http://www.umich.edu/~iinet/cjs/films/reviews/pics/sevensamurai.jpg

"SHICHININ NO SAMURAI" This is what Samurai movies are all about!

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
What's wrong with Tom Cruise? graemlins/conf44.gif He can't act. He plays the same character in almost every movie he does. The role he plays? Himself.

[Lupine]

Yeah dude! So am I! YesAsia's taking preorders already in case you weren't aware of it. BTW, Takeshi Kitano's working on another samurai film with director Takashi Miike of Audition, Dead or Alive, and Ichi the Killer fame. I'm really curious about this one.


Originally posted by eleeut:
i'm looking forward to see Takeshi Kitano's Zatoichi.

[i.be.me]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
question: is the Asian community pissed off over the choice of Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai or it's not that big a deal(or am I missing the point)?... i know some are... my close friend who is Chinese is pissed as hell and refuses to see it. although the story sounds interesting, there's just something wrong with ANOTHER white man hero appropriating POC culture for their own - and therefore becoming the last samurai. how does a white person end up the last one? graemlins/conf44.gif

i think it is typical hollywood racism dressed up to make folk feel good. i mean, what if there was a movie called the Last Massai (a tribe in Kenya who never assimulated after the British colonized Kenya) and the character was a white person? mad1.gif

[i.be.me]

oops. it's getting late

double post

:D

[ December 07, 2003, 10:40 PM: Message edited by: i.be.me ]

[i.be.me]

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[eleeut]

Originally posted by Lupine:
Yeah dude! So am I! YesAsia's taking preorders already in case you weren't aware of it. BTW, Takeshi Kitano's working on another samurai film with director Takashi Miike of Audition, Dead or Alive, and Ichi the Killer fame. I'm really curious about this one.
miike is the man, and i'm sure you know about &lt;www.midnighteye.com&gt;. haven't heard anything about a collaboration between those two, but if miike is involved, i'm sure it's going to be more than interesting. however, i haven't seen any of his "period" works, so perhaps it won't be as frenetic, jarring, or plain disturbing as his other stuff.

anyway, as for samurai "type" movies, i've been told to go see Yojimbo, but haven't had the time to go rent it yet.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by i.be.me:
although the story sounds interesting, there's just something wrong with ANOTHER white man hero appropriating POC culture for their own - and therefore becoming the last samurai. how does a white person end up the last one? graemlins/conf44.gif

i think it is typical hollywood racism dressed up to make folk feel good. i mean, what if there was a movie called the Last Massai (a tribe in Kenya who never assimulated after the British colonized Kenya) and the character was a white person? mad1.gif for some reason, and i have not seen this film but i will tomorrow, but have you considered that maybe your assumptions are all wrong? i seriously hope you are because it's amazing how someone can be so quick to come up with their conclusions when they have NOT even seen the film!!! telling from the trailer and some of the stuff i read up on it, i bet this movie is NOT even really about the "white man" but more on the principles the samurai live by. but then again, i could be WAY off.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by i.be.me:
although the story sounds interesting, there's just something wrong with ANOTHER white man hero appropriating POC culture for their own - and therefore becoming the last samurai. how does a white person end up the last one? graemlins/conf44.gif

i think it is typical hollywood racism dressed up to make folk feel good. i mean, what if there was a movie called the Last Massai (a tribe in Kenya who never assimulated after the British colonized Kenya) and the character was a white person? mad1.gif for some reason, and i have not seen this film but i will tomorrow, but have you considered that maybe your assumptions are all wrong? i seriously hope you are because it's amazing how someone can be so quick to come up with their conclusions when they have NOT even seen the film!!! telling from the trailer and some of the stuff i read up on it, i bet this movie is NOT even really about the "white man" but more on the principles the samurai live by. but then again, i could be WAY off. </font>[/QUOTE]No, you're not way off. And, might I add, blacks should stop discounting things simply because it comes from "white" sources. That is, unless we all don't mind Rush Hour 2 providing us with an expansion of our philosophical point of view.

[ December 07, 2003, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

[Bold Soul]

And, might I add yet again, that the average black muthafuka wouldn't know shit about the samurai ethos, the Bushido code, feudal Japanese history or the westernization of Japan until they picked up enough tidbits in offhanded conversation so that they could "bash" the film.

Answer me this - did any of you keepers of the sancity of Japanese culture think of how other cultures are maligned by your "black" filmmakers and television writers?

Nope. Hypocrites.

[El Mayimbe]

i gotta agree with ib ne on this one after seeing the film


but before anything I have to state that the film was great.
The fight scenes especially with the ninjas were one of the best I've seen and the Japanese scenary was also greatly appreciated.
BUTI knew the ending had to be kind of dumb since this IS a big budget Hollywood movie, and being one there can be no such thing as a sad or realistic ending

it is foolish that it was Tom Cruises' character to be the last sole survivor of a masacre to then go to the Emperor of Japan to remind HIM of what honor and the "old Japanese way" is about. :rolleyes: This culture is deeply embedded in this mantra and the white american male tells them how it is done. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
the "holier than thou" & "we're more dignified than you" action is always a subliminal mesage given by Hollywood that passes the audience by.
My friend and immediately commented about this after trying to re-enact some fight scenes amongst each other, my arm still hurts;)

[Mah'chew]

Everyone in Japan knows that the last Samurai was Miyamoto Musashi...

http://www.paysdegex-shotokan.com/images/musashi.jpg

Let's face it, he would have fucked Tom Cruise up good style and sent his ass back to the U.S. as a sushi omeyagi set for his Mom.

[Mah'chew]

I'm waiting for the film about the way that AIG Insurance and Philip Morris Tabaco were given nearly 35 years in the Japanese market without any form of domestic competition due to U.S. legislation..

My god, we might have still been able to enjoy a nice mixed-onsen if it wasn't for the U.S.

[Mah'chew]

Or the English I might add :D

[Mah'chew]

The only way Tom Cruise could redeam himself in my eyes is by going to the oscars in a 'Once You Go Asian - Never Caucasian' T-Shirt :D

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by P-Flipp:
The Last Samauri In a nutshell:Tom Cruise plays a cocky hotshot Civil war hero sent to "modernize" the Japanese army only to discover that it is soul that can use some fixing,Hence his adoption of the way of the samauri in which he learns valuable things not picked up in the American military.Sounds like a decent story to me. The author who created Tom Cruise's character was on CNN yesterday afternoon and was surprised that they were making a film based on his character. From what I've read, the film will attempt to introduce a side of Japanese culture that us Americans have not scene or studied.

The way I see it, when was the last time we had a Japanese History lesson in school, or any culture other than European culture?

Peace

[i.be.me]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by i.be.me:
although the story sounds interesting, there's just something wrong with ANOTHER white man hero appropriating POC culture for their own - and therefore becoming the last samurai. how does a white person end up the last one? graemlins/conf44.gif

i think it is typical hollywood racism dressed up to make folk feel good. i mean, what if there was a movie called the Last Massai (a tribe in Kenya who never assimulated after the British colonized Kenya) and the character was a white person? mad1.gif for some reason, and i have not seen this film but i will tomorrow, but have you considered that maybe your assumptions are all wrong? i seriously hope you are because it's amazing how someone can be so quick to come up with their conclusions when they have NOT even seen the film!!! telling from the trailer and some of the stuff i read up on it, i bet this movie is NOT even really about the "white man" but more on the principles the samurai live by. but then again, i could be WAY off. </font>[/QUOTE]i don't mind being wrong about my initial assumptions - i'm not married to them.

i'm just waiting to be proved wrong. :D

[ December 08, 2003, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: i.be.me ]

[Mack-Williams]

I loved the movie. I probably will go see it again.

[KragShot]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
I got that. The Roger Ebert Cum and Travis Smiley thing is what I am not clear on. Sorry to be confusing, Mack. That line is a jab to all of the knee-jerk film critics on the DHP who post "I'm not going to see that shit.", just because Tom Cruise is white and everyone else in the film isn't. Of course you're not going to see it. You'll get a bootleg from under the viaduct on Stony Island like usual.

BTW - I thought you J-Dubs don't go to the movies. You should get into Scientology. Then you can actually MAKE the movies you're not supposed to see. bwahahahaha! I'm a bastard - I know. </font>[/QUOTE]Man, that's very dangerous talk...but I agree with you totally on this.

I do plan on seeing the film but I'm going in with both eyes open and my radar up.

Funny, you all should mention Minority Report...if you've seen the movie, go and read Phillip K. Dick's book and compare the two.... Phil Dick was a visionary and a man who could read the tracings of the writing on the wall. If you still don't believe me, go and read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (i.e. Blade Runner).

KragSHot

[KragShot]

Originally posted by Lupine:
Yeah dude! So am I! YesAsia's taking preorders already in case you weren't aware of it. BTW, Takeshi Kitano's working on another samurai film with director Takashi Miike of Audition, Dead or Alive, and Ichi the Killer fame. I'm really curious about this one.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by eleeut:
i'm looking forward to see Takeshi Kitano's Zatoichi. </font>[/QUOTE]Aw man! Beat's covering the Zatoichi stuff?

That's fine with me.

Last film that I saw him in was Battle Royal...

"...damn...those were some good cookies...."

KragShot