Winter Music Conference dates 2008?

[JerseyDude]

Does anyone know when the Winter Music Conference organization is going to announce the conference dates for 2008?

The WMC website hasn't been updated for awhile.

[Perql8r]

They usually post the dates sometime in October (and they seem to only update the site after the WMC (to post pics, etc), and when they have established the dates).

[JerseyDude]

Thanks for the info.

[kaaos]

i wana go this time 4 sure:grinyes:

[Big Ken]

i wana go this time 4 sure:grinyes:
Me Too!!!! I'm going this time!!!!

[S&S]

once they announce them, watch the hotel rates SKYROCKET over night

[JerseyDude]

once they announce them, watch the hotel rates SKYROCKET over night


I heard that hotel owners raise rates once the conference is announced.
What do they usually run conference week? I dont know since I stay with my cousin every year.

[Mack-Williams]

They should release the date on the underground tip. Let us get the rooms. Then offically annouce the date.

[JMJ]

I heard that hotel owners raise rates once the conference is announced.
What do they usually run conference week? I dont know since I stay with my cousin every year.


$200 a night and up - mostly up.......JMJ

[Chris Conrad]

They should release the date on the underground tip. Let us get the rooms. Then offically annouce the date.

it would make NO difference...there are TONS of other house and club music message boards and the info would be leaked within minutes...

[CalvinInTheMixMorgan]

once they announce them, watch the hotel rates SKYROCKET over night

Raise the rates? Room rates on S. Beach are off the chain anyway. If you look now for the last 2 weeks of March, usually when the WMC happens, rates are already off the chain. There are enough folks here on DHP that attend the WMC, why has there not been a package put together? As it has been said, power in numbers, just a thought.

[Keith Blackstone]

Raise the rates? Room rates on S. Beach are off the chain anyway. If you look now for the last 2 weeks of March, usually when the WMC happens, rates are already off the chain. There are enough folks here on DHP that attend the WMC, why has there not been a package put together? As it has been said, power in numbers, just a thought.

People do put together packages, usually like $140-$170/night or something. But realize that Miami does enough business and sells out regardless that they don't care a ton if people complain about the prices.

Power in numbers doesn't apply when the "numbers" are from the deep community (sorry but it's true!) considering they aren't the primary revenue source group for the conference anyway.

I got an email from people already setting up group packages so if I remember, I'll dig that out and post it up.

[emuzik]

You are better off renting a villa for a week they usually start at $900-1300 and sleeps 4 people.

[Musica]

They should release the date on the underground tip. Let us get the rooms. Then offically annouce the date.


The Miami's Chamber of Commerece is always the 1st to know. THEN the hotels.

[soulman]

You are better off renting a villa for a week they usually start at $900-1300 and sleeps 4 people.

Hey E- are y'all doing the villa thing next year?
We should do that

[ABedford-HillsJoint]

You are better off renting a villa for a week they usually start at $900-1300 and sleeps 4 people.

So what's up? Been wanting to do something like that with a group for a while....

[The Buddy Love Show]

I heard that hotel owners raise rates once the conference is announced.
.

the cost of ice cream goes up in the summer
heating oil prices spike in the winter
gasoline prices spike in the summer
water prices are outrageous in the desert

and I ask myself "why?"

[BHouse]

:lol:

[Fletch]

I read an article in an earlier edition of Black Enterprise where two traveling girlfriends bought hotel stock (I forget what the hotel[s] is/were). By doing that, they benefited financially and saved a bunch of travel money.

On the old board, I also brought up the possibility of buying depreciated property in the current Miami condo bust! I was laughed right outta town. Oh, well!

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=39;t=001294#000000

[DaveR]

the cost of ice cream goes up in the summer
heating oil prices spike in the winter
gasoline prices spike in the summer
water prices are outrageous in the desert

and I ask myself "why?"
Hot Cocoa sales in Miami are struggling too

[The Buddy Love Show]

don't worry the Riande is always available

i wonder why?

[The Buddy Love Show]

Riande reviews


http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g34438-d87083-Reviews-Riande_Continental_Bayside_Hotel-Miami_Florida.html

THE deephousehead meeting place - nuff said

[Light Skinted Wif Good Hur]

I've said this b4, I'll say it again...when they started announcing the dates earlier...that's when the prices got fucked up. When they used to announce the dates in December instead of October...the prices were much more reasonable. But it's simple supply and demand. Hotels have 2 more months to book rooms. When hotels would have a bunch of vacancies in Dec.--they would discount the rooms. If you looked right around the holidays...you could usually get a deal on rooms AND flights. Now-- by december--hotels have a high enough rate of occupancy that they ain't discounting shit!!! The first year they did that---I'd say most of the prices went up $40-50 per night(under 22nd anyway). It's only gotten worse since then---prices have probably doubled in the last 4-5 years!

[The Buddy Love Show]

http://www.miamibeachfl.gov/newcity/depts/econdev/visitors%20Profile.asp

Tourism Overview

Each year Miami Beach hotels host over 35% of the ten million tourists who visit Greater Miami. Along with millions of regional visitors, the seven million tourists that visit South Beach and the Art Deco Historic District make the area the number one attraction in South Florida, and the second most popular in the State following Disney. These visitors are the catalyst for the economic prosperity that the City of Miami Beach has experienced in recent years, contributing over $11 billion to the area’s economy each year.

The hospitality industry has grown in order to accommodate this influx. Hotels range from the new 800-room Loews Miami Beach Hotel to the sleek portals of the world-famous Fountainbleau Hilton and the recently renovated Eden Roc to the refurbished Deco streamline architecture of hotels such as the Raleigh, Astor, Albion, Delano, Century, Park Central, Governor, Cavalier, and Cardozo.

Miami Beach is also a regional playground. The combination of the beach, restaurants and nightclubs draws significant numbers of visitors from the South Florida area. It is estimated that regional visitors make at least six million day trips to South Beach each year. This market is the least likely to do a significant amount of shopping in Miami Beach, except at specialty or destination retailers.

While visitors contribute greatly to the room, food and beverage revenues of the city, the visitor market only accounts for approximately 24% of the retail sales in Miami Beach. The addition of visible, high-quality retailers will be a significant step toward capturing a larger share of tourist shopping dollars. Domestic visitors spend an average of $75 per day on gifts and personal shopping; international tourists spend approximately $92. These visitors list Aventura and Downtown Miami as their primary shopping locations.

The City of Miami Beach is rich in opportunity for cultural exploration. The Bass, Wolfsonian-FIU, and Ziff Museums have distinct collections. The Art Center South Florida, Miami City Ballet, and New World Symphony offer world-class visual art, ballet, and symphonic music respectively. The Jackie Gleason and Colony Theaters host varying shows from broadway style to new works. The City’s Arts Council sponsors over 50 cultural organizations leading to film, theater, dance and music festivals, as well as many performances and exhibits.

Seasonal Residents

In addition to Miami Beach’s year-round population of 95,000, the number of seasonal residents living here between January and April is estimated to be approximately 110,000. The seasonal residents either rent or own housing units in Miami Beach, but are not accounted in any official statistics or census.

Nevertheless, through the buyer’s profile of many condominiums and housing, it is known that half are of foreign origin and almost equally divided between Latin America and Europe. The other half is made up of U.S. residents from the Northeast or the Mid-West. New Yorkers make up the largest number of these domestic seasonal residents.

Seasonal residents own more than 60% of the premium condominium units. They contribute greatly to the high median housing value on Miami Beach ($235,000) and to the overall economy due to their strong buying power.

It is estimated that the income level of these residents is between $75,000 and $250,000, well above the income levels of the permanent Miami Beach population.

Leisure Tourism

An island surrounded by the sparkling Atlantic Ocean and Biscayne Bay, Miami Beach offers a diverse array of recreational activities. One can jog and bicycle along serene bayside or oceanfront paths, play tennis at a charming area park, swim or dive in the cool waters of the Atlantic Ocean, sail or cruise along Biscayne Bay, rollerblade down Ocean Drive, or enjoy Miami Beach’s lush golf courses.

Although Miami Beach is a relatively small island, recreational amenities abound, including the Miami Beach Marina which offers boat slips and restaurants. Nearby, boat rental outlets provide yachts, cabin cruisers, sailboats, powerboats and catamarans. The City of Miami Beach contains four beautiful large parks: Flamingo, South Pointe, Lummus, and North Shore Open Space. There are three city-owned golf courses: Bayshore, Normandy and Par Three.

Business Tourism

Beyond the traditional attractions (beach, nightlife, dining, etc.), the City of Miami Beach has positioned itself as a premium destination for conventions.

The Miami Beach Convention Center contains over 1 million square feet of meeting space, including four 125,000 square feet halls that can be combined to create up to 500,000 square feet of contiguous space. The Center is now complemented by the 800-room Loews Miami Beach Hotel, located a few blocks away at 16th Street and Collins Avenue. The hotel boasts over 90,000 square feet of function and meeting space, including a 32,000 square feet ballroom capable of accommodating 2,000 guests, emphasizing Miami Beach’s potential as a complete tourism destination.

Different Types of Visitors

Where Tourists Stay in Miami Dade County

Miami Beach houses more tourists (39%) than any other area of Miami-Dade County. Additionally, South Beach attracts over 7 million tourists from the region making it one of the most popular tourist destinations in the State of Florida, attracting more visitors than the country's three largest national parks combined. Of these 7 million visitors, approximately 1 million stayed in a South Beach hotel, and a total of 3.5 million stayed at a hotel in Miami Beach. Of Miami Beach's 20,000 hotel rooms, approximately 9,000 are in South Beach in 119 properties. Ocean Drive has 32 hotels with over 1,700 rooms, and Ocean Drive is consistently ranked as one of the most liked features of Greater Miami.

Miami Beach 39.0%

Downtown 11.6%

North Dade 13.5%

Airport Area 18.4%

Grove/Gables/Key Biscayne 9.2%

South Dade 8.2%

What Tourists Do in Miami-Dade County

Tourists visit Miami-Dade County for three primary reasons: weather, beaches and shopping. Miami Beach is uniquely positioned for substantial tourist retail activity, since it is already the top location in South Florida for beach activity, nightlife, culture, dining, film, fashion and music.

Tourist Demographics

Size of Party 2.346
Length of Stay 6.62 nights
Mean Age 42.6
Mean Income $86,100
Male 67.9%
Female 32.1%
United States Resident 55.9%
Non-USA Resident 44.1%
USA Residents

North Central 21.9%
North East 41.3%
Southern 30.7%
Western 6.1%
New York 18.8%
Non-USA Residents

Central America 5.0%
South America 52.8%
Europe 32.4%
Caribbean 2.6%
Canada 6.4%
Brazil 17.5%
Germany 8.9%
Colombia 8.3%
England 7.0%
Expenditures

Lodging $145.28
Meals in Hotel $33.70
Meals in Restaurants $53.24
Non-Restaurant Food $22.77
Local Transportation $37.73
Parking/Tolls/Gasoline $9.55
Entertainment $82.12
Gifts and Personal Shopping $96.96
Daily Party Expenditures $478.36
Persons per Party 2.42
Daily Expenditures per person $197.99
Number of Nights Stayed 7.06
Expenditures per Person during trip $1,396.61
Outlook

Tourism is expected to continue to increase due to increased utilization of the Miami Beach Convention Center and the addition of additional first-class hotel rooms through renovations and new construction. Spurred by the development of the 800-room Loews Miami Beach Hotel, some of the projects currently under development in South Beach are:

Ritz Carlton $95,000,000 380 rooms
Shore Club $125,000,000 324 rooms
Sasson $37,500,000 198 rooms
W Hotel (Ritz Plaza) $50,000,000 200 rooms
Marriott N/A 230 rooms
Royal Palm Crowne Plaza $55,000,000 424 rooms

[The Buddy Love Show]

I carved out the below from my above post for the benefit of the "its all about the love" deep househead (the black kind) who always seem to be whining about prices

btw - GET A JOB

"Tourism is expected to continue to increase due to increased utilization of the Miami Beach Convention Center and the addition of additional first-class hotel rooms through renovations and new construction. Spurred by the development of the 800-room Loews Miami Beach Hotel, some of the projects currently under development in South Beach are"

"Daily Party Expenditures $478.36
Persons per Party 2.42
Daily Expenditures per person $197.99"

[The Buddy Love Show]

Further info

the WMC (see link) draws 40000 attendees/year. All Miami Beach events draw 3500000 attendees/year http://www.wmcon.com/about/facts.htm

can it reasonably be inferred that the 1.14% of all visitors to the area are having an inordinate effect on room rates and airfares?

i think no

[Musica]

Riande reviews


http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g34438-d87083-Reviews-Riande_Continental_Bayside_Hotel-Miami_Florida.html

THE deephousehead meeting place - nuff said

These reviews are hilarious AND at the same time scary. None are from WMC peeps!

[Drrtynewyork]

i need a place to throw a party, any help will be appreciated :)

[The Buddy Love Show]

i need a place to throw a party, any help will be appreciated :)

drrtys drrty in the drrtys drrtiest.....no charge

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g34438-d87083-Reviews-Riande_Continental_Bayside_Hotel-Miami_Florida.html

[Drrtynewyork]

drrtys drrty in the drrtys drrtiest.....no charge

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Rev...i_Florida.html

thanks
is this a club listing? it says page not found, I just found this though ... http://miami.nightguide.com/nl1sb.htm

label in the UK looking to put a party together

[Chris Conrad]

These reviews are hilarious AND at the same time scary. None are from WMC peeps!

hahahahha:

"We stayed at this hotel on June 22 upon arrival there was a guestat the front desk complaining about the graffiti on the walls in his room. The clerk told him there was nothing she could do and the writings were done by dirty people who stayed in the hotel.We thought he was just upset about something and..."

"This hotel is the worst place I have ever stayed!!! The Lobby smelled as soon as we walked in!! We had 3 people in a room and they gave us ONLY one washrag for the room. When we inquired about more they said the policy was one rag per room for the length of your stay!!!! How gross is that...We..."

[DaBownca]

Hot Cocoa sales in Miami are struggling too
The Price of Pussy in Prison is ridiculous!

[The Buddy Love Show]

The Price of Pussy in Prison is ridiculous!


screaming laughing

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Myron]

hahahahha:

"We stayed at this hotel on June 22 upon arrival there was a guestat the front desk complaining about the graffiti on the walls in his room. The clerk told him there was nothing she could do and the writings were done by dirty people who stayed in the hotel.We thought he was just upset about something and..."

"This hotel is the worst place I have ever stayed!!! The Lobby smelled as soon as we walked in!! We had 3 people in a room and they gave us ONLY one washrag for the room. When we inquired about more they said the policy was one rag per room for the length of your stay!!!! How gross is that...We..."

Sounds like the Hostel I stayed at for WMC two years ago for $90 a night (expensive by hostel standards but cheap by WMC standards) had nicer accommedations.

Myron