Is Beckham more popular than Jordan at his peak? [Archive]

Ken1015

07-03-2003, 10:42 AM

Stories like this lead me to believe that he is. You euros are crazy. graemlins/rofl.gif

So you want to be famous?
Tribune wires

July 2, 2003

British soccer star David Beckham has fame, fortune, a pop star wife (Victoria, formerly Posh of the Spice Girls) and no privacy. England's soccer star had a physical examination Tuesday in Spain, a final step before his transfer from Manchester United to Real Madrid becomes official. The procedures took a little less than two hours, something we know for sure because the process had many witnesses. Beckham's physical was televised on 39 channels worldwide, among them Real Madrid's pay-per-view station, and even had a sponsor--the Spanish health insurer Grupo Sanitas, which coughed up $415,000. For Wednesday's official introduction, 500 media passes have been requested. Talk about a circus.

Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune

The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove

07-03-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Ken1015:
Stories like this lead me to believe that he is. You euros are crazy. graemlins/rofl.gif

So you want to be famous?
Tribune wires

July 2, 2003

British soccer star David Beckham has fame, fortune, a pop star wife (Victoria, formerly Posh of the Spice Girls) and no privacy. England's soccer star had a physical examination Tuesday in Spain, a final step before his transfer from Manchester United to Real Madrid becomes official. The procedures took a little less than two hours, something we know for sure because the process had many witnesses. Beckham's physical was televised on 39 channels worldwide, among them Real Madrid's pay-per-view station, and even had a sponsor--the Spanish health insurer Grupo Sanitas, which coughed up $415,000. For Wednesday's official introduction, 500 media passes have been requested. Talk about a circus.

Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune Never heard of him. graemlins/conf44.gif

ngeso

07-03-2003, 10:44 AM

that's football
http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=032475

[ July 03, 2003, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: ngeso ]

Digiman

07-03-2003, 10:47 AM

Did you have to mention him? I'm so bored of the whole thing that I could actually cry. If this is the furore about a medical, then what's going to happen the first game he plays? I shudder to think.

Ken1015

07-03-2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by ngeso:
that's football
http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=032475 That's the thread that made me think of this topic.

Digiman

07-03-2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
Never heard of him. graemlins/conf44.gif Then consider yourself the luckiest person on the planet.

richierich

07-03-2003, 10:51 AM

No way Micheal transcended sports the way Muhammad Ali did. Everybody everywhere knows who Mike is . If Beckham walked down the street in my neighborhood nobody would know who he is.

Leslie

07-03-2003, 10:51 AM

I know I am TIRED of seeing pictures of him on tv in that powder blue suit - looking like pimp.

Ken1015

07-03-2003, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Albert Square:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
Never heard of him. graemlins/conf44.gif Then consider yourself the luckiest person on the planet. [/QUOTE]You're too funny Al. He'll get known on this side of the pond soon enough. Most likely through his wife who is desparately trying to break into movies here.

lyot

07-03-2003, 11:20 AM

i wonder which on one of them is most popular in Russia and Asia

JMJ

07-03-2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by lyot:
i wonder which on one of them is most popular in Russia and Asia Jordan.....JMJ

Digiman

07-03-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Ken1015:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Albert Square:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
Never heard of him. graemlins/conf44.gif Then consider yourself the luckiest person on the planet. [/QUOTE]You're too funny Al. He'll get known on this side of the pond soon enough. Most likely through his wife who is desparately trying to break into movies here. [/QUOTE]Don't get me started on his wife. Arrggh! At least now he has moved to another team it means she will be far, far away. I was reading that everyone ignored them when they did their 'promotional' tour in America. You guys must have a lot of sense.

lyot

07-03-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
i wonder which on one of them is most popular in Russia and Asia Jordan.....JMJ [/QUOTE]did he also have to use stand-in's like Beckham did recently ?

JMJ

07-03-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by lyot:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
i wonder which on one of them is most popular in Russia and Asia Jordan.....JMJ [/QUOTE]did he also have to use stand-in's like Beckham did recently ? [/QUOTE]Not that I know of.....JMJ

JMJ

07-03-2003, 12:27 PM

Saddam Hussein also had stand-ins......JMJ ;)

Digiman

07-03-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
Saddam Hussein also had stand-ins......JMJ ;) Yet unfortunately the might of the American military has yet to have been dispatched upon Mr + Mrs Beckham.

Brian

07-03-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Albert Square:
Don't get me started on his wife. Arrggh! At least now he has moved to another team it means she will be far, far away. I was reading that everyone ignored them when they did their 'promotional' tour in America. You guys must have a lot of sense.I don't think people ignored them so much as they had no idea who they are. Soccer/football is about as unpopular as house music in the US.

JMJ

07-03-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Albert Square:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
Saddam Hussein also had stand-ins......JMJ ;) Yet unfortunately the might of the American military has yet to have been dispatched upon Mr + Mrs Beckham. [/QUOTE]Send a Spice Girls album to the White House. One listen and it's shoot to kill!.....JMJ

[ July 03, 2003, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

SuzanneT

07-03-2003, 12:49 PM

ivanjb

07-03-2003, 12:55 PM

Who is Beckham?

DJ Omar Herrera

07-03-2003, 12:56 PM

OVER RATED PLAYER

ngeso

07-03-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by JMJ:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lyot:
i wonder which on one of them is most popular in Russia and Asia Jordan.....JMJ [/QUOTE]Beckham hands down. MJ is well known all over the world, but he wouldn't get bumrushed by 20.000 teenage chicks like Becks does, when he's in Tokyo.

natacha

07-03-2003, 01:43 PM

Is he as good as Jordan (in his sport)?

Digiman

07-03-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by natacha:
Is he as good as Jordan (in his sport)? not a chance.

natacha

07-03-2003, 01:49 PM

Is he comparable to Ronaldo at least?

Sharp Eye Washington

07-03-2003, 02:23 PM

Is he comparable to the great Pele? I don't like soccer but I knew of Pele. I still don't like soccer & never heard of this guy.

Calixto

07-03-2003, 03:12 PM

He's a talented player, Team Captain at Manchester U., Team Captain of the England National Team...I don't he's as big as Michael though.He's got money,fame and a nice piece of ass and that's about it. No need to compare him to the greatest, maybe one of the good ones.

I don't get it, maybe because America is not a soccer friendly country. Europe is and so is the rest of the world but that's another story.

Querck

07-03-2003, 03:18 PM

NO, he is not even close to being comparable to Pele or Ronaldo. In fact, Beckham will only be the 6th best player on his own team! (Zidane, Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Raul, Figo).

If you compared soccer to basketball, he would be like a Vince Carter--flashy player with a signature move (dunk v. free kick), but not a cornerstone of a winning team.

Sharp Eye Washington

07-03-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by dannyboy:
NO, he is not even close to being comparable to Pele or Ronaldo. In fact, Beckham will only be the 6th best player on his own team! (Zidane, Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Raul, Figo).

If you compared soccer to basketball, he would be like a Vince Carter--flashy player with a signature move (dunk v. free kick), but not a cornerstone of a winning team. Thank you for the comparison. Peace.

Martin Red

07-03-2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
No way Micheal transcended sports the way Muhammad Ali did. Everybody everywhere knows who Mike is . If Beckham walked down the street in my neighborhood nobody would know who he is. If Ali walked down the street in my neighborhood everyone and their pets would know who he is ;)

Martin Red

07-03-2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
Is he comparable to the great Pele? No !

whoops dannyboy is more on the ball with his comments, so to speak graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ July 03, 2003, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

ngeso

07-03-2003, 04:23 PM

one thing that needs to be understood about football is that it does not work like basketball at all. in all blasphemy, basketball can be won by one or two guys on a team. that guy leaves, and Chicago is out of the picture until some moneybag buys another star into town.

football does not work that way. it is a straight team effort, so it is rather ludicrous to start comparisons. the players come and go, the club remains, the tradition remains. as far as Becks is concerned, he is a great player, and he has done a ton for english football, both sports- and imagewise. he's moving into the biggest clubside worldwide, but within that team i think the only comparison that can be made is with regard to Figo, positionwise.

Matt_JF

07-03-2003, 04:47 PM

Lol - David Peckham - one of my sisters younger friends used to kick about with him in Leytonstone - she give me a signed autograph of him one day - went straight in the bin - should have E-Bayed it though. And as for his wife, iv'e heard some stuff about her..........

As for comparing him to Jordan - no way - can't even be compared to Viera, Figo, Pires. Why do you think Fergie sold him???

Querck

07-03-2003, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by ngeso:
one thing that needs to be understood about football is that it does not work like basketball at all. in all blasphemy, basketball can be won by one or two guys on a team. that guy leaves, and Chicago is out of the picture until some moneybag buys another star into town.

football does not work that way. it is a straight team effort, so it is rather ludicrous to start comparisons. the players come and go, the club remains, the tradition remains. as far as Becks is concerned, he is a great player, and he has done a ton for english football, both sports- and imagewise. he's moving into the biggest clubside worldwide, but within that team i think the only comparison that can be made is with regard to Figo, positionwise. Hmm, I think basketball is also a team sport, so I am not sure whether your point is valid.

You can still measure the impact of a particular player on a game, and all I am saying is that Beckham does not make as much impact as some other players in the world right now, therefore he is overrated, in comparison to others. But he makes up for this with his image.

Red D

07-04-2003, 08:41 AM

Overrated to say the least, but an absolute top player for big teams economy wise, and that's just why Real Madrid bought him. Their president has made a vow to buy a star player every year, it started with Figo, then Zidane (=> that's the Michael Jordan of football!), then Ronaldo and now Beckham.
Merchandising of these four players alone warrants the amounts they are getting paid. Beckham will not make the team any stronger, but he won't weaken them and he's instrumental in keeping Real in position as leading team in the world concerning image and marketing, and don't forget that the rivalry with Barcelona was a main factor in getting him (recently elected Barcelona president promised his supporters that Beckham would come to his team, sike!).
On the football side of things, Beckham has a great strike and cross, but that's about it, good player but I hope he doesn't try to compete with Zidane, Raul, Ronaldo and Figo, because they will crush him and make him look like an ass on the pitch, and for those who know, Zidane can make anyone look like an ass...

RD

der geile hund

07-04-2003, 08:51 AM

They needed someone else with nice hair - Raul and Figo were not enough to compensate for Zidane and Ronaldo.

David Le C

07-04-2003, 10:19 AM

I just know that all the real supporters including myself will be watching every move he makes very closely... and if he ****s up, he's gonna hear it...
But like Red said, he's the biggest money-maker in soccer for the moment, but I don't see him adding something to the team.
I just hope they buy someone for defence...

Louie G

07-04-2003, 04:24 PM

David Beckham and Micheal Owen are the two most overated players on the planet.

Madrid have wasted their dosh they have better players on their bench than Beckham.

Beckham can't go past a player, can't tackle, can't header a ball. (George Best is also quoted as saying this. He is just a product of the English media. He`ll be back playing for Arsenal within 1.5 seasons.

cRaiG...

Mah'chew

07-05-2003, 12:57 AM

Beckham is very popular in Japan, he just did a week-long tour over here prior to joining Real Madrid. For which he earnt 500,000,000 yen ($4,235,493) per day!!!!! graemlins/rofl.gif

He also told Japanese fans that he will join a Japanese J-League team when he hits 33 years old.

Something that Jordan could never hope to acheive, because he plays a localized sport, USA, South America, Croatia and Spain.

Football is played everywhere in the world..

Saying that, Beckham is no Ronaldo :D

He's a money maker and good for advertising.

Fingers-crossed that Leeds United buy a couple of Japanese players, that's worth near 5 mill in TV rights alone, I hear Nakata's being touted by God's Own Team..

[ July 05, 2003, 02:03 AM: Message edited by: Mah'chew ]

07-06-2003, 02:53 PM

Couldnt care less as Chelsea are gonna take on the world!!! (besides the US of course)

JoeB

07-06-2003, 03:39 PM

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JM2X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg now i know what that title of this movie means. i honestly had no clue whatsoever on who the hell beckham was. i guess now i finally know.

the 18th letter

07-06-2003, 07:03 PM

No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please.

Red D

07-07-2003, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. Beckham has no shoes?! Well, Adidas made him a special pair of shoes to play in the world cup that cost $625.000 a pair, a new one for every match he played...
Does that count?
For me Jordan is by far and away a greater sportsman, but from a popularity/marketing point of view they will be very close to one another. And don't give me that 'he's not famous in the US' hobwash, the US ain't the world...

RD

Rob.J

07-07-2003, 05:25 AM

Jordans Peaks....... graemlins/rofl.gif

the 18th letter

07-07-2003, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by Red D:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. Beckham has no shoes?! Well, Adidas made him a special pair of shoes to play in the world cup that cost $625.000 a pair, a new one for every match he played...
Does that count?
For me Jordan is by far and away a greater sportsman, but from a popularity/marketing point of view they will be very close to one another. And don't give me that 'he's not famous in the US' hobwash, the US ain't the world...

RD [/QUOTE]Nope. Jordan has his own line for public purchase, and I think he has about 17 models not including the Jumpman line. Also, some of Beckhams popularity come from his wife. Jordan's wife is a civilian.

ladyboygrimsby

07-07-2003, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. I think this post sums up what Jordan means for the majority of people in the world: a pair of shoes. Basketball is not a worldwide game in the way that soccer is. Michael Jordan does not have the same worldwide visibility as a sportsman as did, say, Muhammad Ali or John McEnroe.

In my view, Beckham is an underrated player, since he's generally regarded by football fans as a pop-star shagging dilettante. If it wasn't for him, England wouldn't have qualified for the last World Cup without him (he saved us singlehandedly against Greece ). A fat lot of good it did us, though.

I'm old enough to remember press and public reactions to George Best at his peak and I'm afraid to say that he was regarded in exactly the same way as Beckham. In retrospect he's the best player ever to come from the British Isles and yet was accorded no respect because he was flash and hung out in nightclubs. The biggest mistake Manchester United ever made with him was not making him captain in a declining team, when he carried them for two seasons.

In 20 years' time, when the hype has died down, people will be re-evaluating Beckham, too.

ladyboygrimsby

07-07-2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. I think this post sums up what Jordan means for the majority of people in the world: a pair of shoes. Basketball is not a worldwide game in the way that soccer is. Michael Jordan does not have the same worldwide visibility as a sportsman as did, say, Muhammad Ali or John McEnroe.

In my view, Beckham is an underrated player, since he's generally regarded by football fans as a pop-star shagging dilettante. If it wasn't for him, England wouldn't have qualified for the last World Cup without him (he saved us singlehandedly against Greece ). A fat lot of good it did us, though.

I'm old enough to remember press and public reactions to George Best at his peak and I'm afraid to say that he was regarded in exactly the same way as Beckham. In retrospect he's the best player ever to come from the British Isles and yet was accorded no respect because he was flash and hung out in nightclubs. The biggest mistake Manchester United ever made with him was not making him captain in a declining team, when he carried them for two seasons.

In 20 years' time, when the hype has died down, people will be re-evaluating Beckham, too.

the 18th letter

07-07-2003, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. I think this post sums up what Jordan means for the majority of people in the world: a pair of shoes. Basketball is not a worldwide game in the way that soccer is. Michael Jordan does not have the same worldwide visibility as a sportsman as did, say, Muhammad Ali or John McEnroe.

In my view, Beckham is an underrated player, since he's generally regarded by football fans as a pop-star shagging dilettante. If it wasn't for him, England wouldn't have qualified for the last World Cup without him (he saved us singlehandedly against Greece ). A fat lot of good it did us, though.

I'm old enough to remember press and public reactions to George Best at his peak and I'm afraid to say that he was regarded in exactly the same way as Beckham. In retrospect he's the best player ever to come from the British Isles and yet was accorded no respect because he was flash and hung out in nightclubs. The biggest mistake Manchester United ever made with him was not making him captain in a declining team, when he carried them for two seasons.

In 20 years' time, when the hype has died down, people will be re-evaluating Beckham, too. [/QUOTE]The topic of thread is who is more popular, not what who means to the world. A lot of the world may view Beckham as a Spice husband.

der geile hund

07-07-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by rammeh:
A lot of the world may view Beckham as a Spice husband. US-centric. Spice Girls are sooo 5 years ago. It's like the Backstreet Boys - can you still name any member other than AJ? It's increasingly obvious that her career is over - that's why the expression on her face gets tighter and more constipated in every picture.

ladyboygrimsby

07-07-2003, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by rammeh:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. I think this post sums up what Jordan means for the majority of people in the world: a pair of shoes. Basketball is not a worldwide game in the way that soccer is. Michael Jordan does not have the same worldwide visibility as a sportsman as did, say, Muhammad Ali or John McEnroe.

In my view, Beckham is an underrated player, since he's generally regarded by football fans as a pop-star shagging dilettante. If it wasn't for him, England wouldn't have qualified for the last World Cup without him (he saved us singlehandedly against Greece ). A fat lot of good it did us, though.

I'm old enough to remember press and public reactions to George Best at his peak and I'm afraid to say that he was regarded in exactly the same way as Beckham. In retrospect he's the best player ever to come from the British Isles and yet was accorded no respect because he was flash and hung out in nightclubs. The biggest mistake Manchester United ever made with him was not making him captain in a declining team, when he carried them for two seasons.

In 20 years' time, when the hype has died down, people will be re-evaluating Beckham, too. [/QUOTE]The topic of thread is who is more popular, not what who means to the world. A lot of the world may view Beckham as a Spice husband. [/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't realise this was a strict rule. Must've mis-read virtually every other post on DHP.

Digiman

07-07-2003, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. I think this post sums up what Jordan means for the majority of people in the world: a pair of shoes. Basketball is not a worldwide game in the way that soccer is. Michael Jordan does not have the same worldwide visibility as a sportsman as did, say, Muhammad Ali or John McEnroe.

In my view, Beckham is an underrated player, since he's generally regarded by football fans as a pop-star shagging dilettante. If it wasn't for him, England wouldn't have qualified for the last World Cup without him (he saved us singlehandedly against Greece ). A fat lot of good it did us, though.

I'm old enough to remember press and public reactions to George Best at his peak and I'm afraid to say that he was regarded in exactly the same way as Beckham. In retrospect he's the best player ever to come from the British Isles and yet was accorded no respect because he was flash and hung out in nightclubs. The biggest mistake Manchester United ever made with him was not making him captain in a declining team, when he carried them for two seasons.

In 20 years' time, when the hype has died down, people will be re-evaluating Beckham, too. [/QUOTE]The topic of thread is who is more popular, not what who means to the world. A lot of the world may view Beckham as a Spice husband. [/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't realise this was a strict rule. Must've mis-read virtually every other post on DHP. [/QUOTE]Ha ha. However, by pointing out ladyboy's deviance, Rammeh was also deviating from the original question posed by the thread starter.

the 18th letter

07-07-2003, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ladyboygrimsby:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
No. Beckham has no shoes, and besides teams don't shop for Jordan, Jordan shops for teams. Thread closed.... ahem Gman....TOT... a little help here please. I think this post sums up what Jordan means for the majority of people in the world: a pair of shoes. Basketball is not a worldwide game in the way that soccer is. Michael Jordan does not have the same worldwide visibility as a sportsman as did, say, Muhammad Ali or John McEnroe.

In my view, Beckham is an underrated player, since he's generally regarded by football fans as a pop-star shagging dilettante. If it wasn't for him, England wouldn't have qualified for the last World Cup without him (he saved us singlehandedly against Greece ). A fat lot of good it did us, though.

I'm old enough to remember press and public reactions to George Best at his peak and I'm afraid to say that he was regarded in exactly the same way as Beckham. In retrospect he's the best player ever to come from the British Isles and yet was accorded no respect because he was flash and hung out in nightclubs. The biggest mistake Manchester United ever made with him was not making him captain in a declining team, when he carried them for two seasons.

In 20 years' time, when the hype has died down, people will be re-evaluating Beckham, too. [/QUOTE]The topic of thread is who is more popular, not what who means to the world. A lot of the world may view Beckham as a Spice husband. [/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't realise this was a strict rule. Must've mis-read virtually every other post on DHP. [/QUOTE]I can't speak on the basis of other members post, but my arguments were based on the topic of the thread. Your reply was based on something different. Just tried to make our conversation easier by clarifying what I'm talking about. It's all good.

the 18th letter

07-07-2003, 06:23 AM

[/qb][/QUOTE]Ha ha. However, by pointing out ladyboy's deviance, Rammeh was also deviating from the original question posed by the thread starter. [/QB][/QUOTE]

See what he ladyboy made me do!! graemlins/cussing.gif

the 18th letter

07-07-2003, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by der geile hund:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
A lot of the world may view Beckham as a Spice husband. US-centric. Spice Girls are sooo 5 years ago. It's like the Backstreet Boys - can you still name any member other than AJ? It's increasingly obvious that her career is over - that's why the expression on her face gets tighter and more constipated in every picture. [/QUOTE]I can't name ANY Backdoor, er I mean, Backstreet boy's! :D