my boy's smoking sherm

[djklas]

man I don't know what to do with this cat... I don't **** around with many drugs, not even experimenting, cause I don't want to get hooked on some wack shit...but my boy has been ****ing with this wet and he really likes it... shit, it sounds fun to me, not that I'm gonna try it, but I know that shit's f'n bad for you...my boy already does speed which is not great, and actually it's another drug I hate cause it has destroyed the lives of a few of my friends, but since this sherm shit was a new thing with him I was hoping I could get him to leave it alone before it gets to be a real problem... shit I was over there the other night and I tried to trade him some of the super dank for this shit just so I could throw it away, but like he said he could just get more, but he didn't want to do it anyway. he gets this shit for free. shit I just don't know what to do with this cat... my experience with friends and drugs is that you can't get someone to quit something, they've got to want it and do it on their own. But shit it's hard to sit back and watch someone do this shit to themselves. my boy's mad talented too and I don't want him to smoke that away....If anyone has any ideas lay them on me, but as I said I generally believe that the person has to want it themselves... so this was mainly just to vent... a little DHP therapy.
Peace,
klas

[djklas]

on an up note yall...click below where it says "...majesty..." to download an mp3 of this sick disco record that I turned up this month. Actually Grant B was there when I found this, but I don't think either of us realised it would be the heat it is...

[djklas]

anther note about drugs... I've told my boys before, that since we are crew, that they represent me and I don't want them all cracked out cause that dosen't ****ing represent me.... I've had to drop some people in recent years to disassociate myself with this cracked out drug scene and it will be real hard to loose this kid I really don't want to.

[dennis f]

phew....no win situation bruh...
He's gotta want it for himself otherwise it's a lost cause...people do stuff cuz they feel like it..nobody's got a gun to his head so your not saving him. You'll just embarass him and he'll do it when your not around. I've seen some cats who are actually better on that stuff. I guess the creativity flows easier for 'em. Until it starts affecting his productivity, you really can't say jack. Now if it affects your biz then you drop it hard like a safe on his ass! Otherwise whistle while ya work.

just my 2 pesetas

[djklas]

Thank you dennis, yeah I'm not trying to change my friends, I don't believe that's a friends role... leave that to girlfriends and wives... My boy has been using drugs since I met him, maybe not hard shit, but all I can do is offer a little advice and let him know my concearns and just sit back and let him do what he will...
I'm suprised at what you say about that adding to creativity to some people... it does look fun, but I'm straight.

[ October 30, 2003, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: djklas ]

[Bold Soul]

You don't have to turn your back on people to step back from the blast, ya know. Just like he does his thing, you have to do yours.

Been there, bro. Know that ish's rough. :( Keep your head up.

[djklas]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
You don't have to turn your back on people to step back from the blast, ya know. Just like he does his thing, you have to do yours.

Been there, bro. Know that ish's rough. :( Keep your head up. Thanks Danny, and I hear you, I'm not gonna turn my back on my boy... it's not even to that point anyway... but I do believe that sometimes you have to cut people loose.. it's sad but I'm not getting draged down or put in some situation where my life is in danger for some smoker who cares more about his shit than about me... the friends that I have will tell you that I'm loyal as **** and I've put it all on the line for my friends before.... but I'm not gonna waste my life... that would be foolish.

[D J 1 3 8]

I know nothing about sherm, actually.
I think it's cigarettes or weed dipped in some kind of embalming fluid, no?
What are the long-term effects of abusing it?

[djklas]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
I know nothing about sherm, actually.
I think it's cigarettes or weed dipped in some kind of embalming fluid, no?Correct.


Originally posted by DJ 138:
What are the long-term effects of abusing it? I don't know. But I'd like to.... it can't be good.

[ October 30, 2003, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: djklas ]

[Martin Red]

In the UK we only had the crack problem really hit big over the last few years. Even though we where warned from the U.S in the 80's. perhaps this Sherm will be something that Uk will get.

Sherm sounds odd ! Embalming fluid ?, i'll have to ask this mortitian who is a freind of my brothers, what exactly is in it .

Klas, your a strong minded dude, sounds like you have the right balance between loyalty and foolishness.

All the best graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ October 30, 2003, 10:43 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

[upliftdisco365]

Goddamn. People still say, let alone smoke Sherm?? Back in the day, it was dirt-grade weed dipped in embalming fluid. Turned it black. They sold it in little wax baggies. Smelled like Pine-Sol. We called it "Dust", "Ill", "Blue-Bomber-Z" or "Slow-Motion Potion" in Newark, NJ. We used to get the shit from this girl on Chadwick & West Runion. Couple of puffs makes you a walking zombie. Bad news. Shit will fry your fu.cking brain. Let your boy know that embalming fluid is not for the living...

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by djklas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
You don't have to turn your back on people to step back from the blast, ya know. Just like he does his thing, you have to do yours.

Been there, bro. Know that ish's rough. :( Keep your head up. Thanks Danny, and I hear you, I'm not gonna turn my back on my boy... it's not even to that point anyway... but I do believe that sometimes you have to cut people loose.. it's sad but I'm not getting draged down or put in some situation where my life is in danger for some smoker who cares more about his shit than about me... the friends that I have will tell you that I'm loyal as **** and I've put it all on the line for my friends before.... but I'm not gonna waste my life... that would be foolish. </font>[/QUOTE]We agree there. Sometimes a cutting loose is what's required. If that's where it is, make certain the cut is clean, you know. Don't look back - it'll break your heart.

[matthew]

Originally posted by djklas:
on an up note yall...click below where it says "...majesty..." to download an mp3 of this sick disco record that I turned up this month. Actually Grant B was there when I found this, but I don't think either of us realised it would be the heat it is... nice!

any more info on it?

[MarkK]

Sherm is not really embalming fluid (thats old man) its WORSE!

Sherm=PCP

One of the worst drugs out there. If you like this guy, do what you can to stop it.

[ October 30, 2003, 10:56 AM: Message edited by: MarkK ]

[MarkK]

opps

[ October 30, 2003, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: MarkK ]

[JR JAM]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Goddamn. People still say, let alone smoke Sherm?? Back in the day, it was dirt-grade weed dipped in embalming fluid. Turned it black. They sold it in little wax baggies. Smelled like Pine-Sol. We called it "Dust", "Ill", "Blue-Bomber-Z" or "Slow-Motion Potion" in Newark, NJ. We used to get the shit from this girl on Chadwick & West Runion. Couple of puffs makes you a walking zombie. Bad news. Shit will fry your fu.cking brain. Let your boy know that embalming fluid is not for the living... Yeah I didn't know people still smoke it. I remember being called 'wicked'.

[AgentDoubleA]

Bad news. Shit will fry your fu.cking brain. Let your boy know that embalming fluid is not for the living... I messed with it twice (once by a cruel joke). Shit is not cool yo. Ive known heads loose families due to wickie sticks (sherm).

[djklas]

Originally posted by Martin Red:
In the UK we only had the crack problem really hit big over the last few years. Even though we where warned from the U.S in the 80's. perhaps this Sherm will be something that Uk will get.

Sherm sounds odd ! Embalming fluid ?, i'll have to ask this mortitian who is a freind of my brothers, what exactly is in it .

Klas, your a strong minded dude, sounds like you have the right balance between loyalty and foolishness.

All the best graemlins/thumbsup.gif Hi Martin, I don't think you have to worry about this stuff hitting the UK. there's probablly already people over there doing it... but I don't think it's ever been a big problem here, like how crack was. I don't think it's the next big wave...
Please do ask your mortition friend what's up with it... I don't really know?

[Bold Soul]

Primos, Thai Stick, Wickie Wicks...such cute harmless names for some dangerous ish...

[djklas]

Originally posted by MarkK:
Sherm is not really embalming fluid (thats old man) its WORSE!

Sherm=PCP

One of the worst drugs out there. If you like this guy, do what you can to stop it. Hey Markk. I think your right, I was a little confused by this too. I had always thought that PCP=Angel Dust=Sherm.
But this stuff they're smoking is the embalming fluid and the still call it Sherm or Wet, because the cigerettes are dipped in it.

[upliftdisco365]

Interesting article on the subject:

http://www.inch.com/~jholland/julie/illie.htm

[djklas]

Originally posted by matthew:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by djklas:
on an up note yall...click below where it says "...majesty..." to download an mp3 of this sick disco record that I turned up this month. Actually Grant B was there when I found this, but I don't think either of us realised it would be the heat it is... nice!

any more info on it? </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Matthew... haha. dope right? I believe it's pretty obscure... this is the only thing I found on the web about it...

Majesty A1. The Barrel (3:52)
B1. The Godfather (3:24) Jaguar 7015
(33 RMP)
Produced By Moreno/Garcia. Entirely diepnsable. Uncertain origign, Miami ?.
Promotional Only.

http://www.black-music-collectors.com/selections/TIOE_part7.htm

[Specter]

word. i didnt know ppl were still doin that shit (wet-daddys, dunkies,wicky sticks,etc...) I hear ya AA i to was once tricked into smokin one and it wasnt cool. How about the "drink some milk" to bring it down remedy lol have you ever heard of that?

[Sharp Eye Washington]

I had one really bad experience with Angel Dust. That shit is no joke. I've always liked my weed but that shit is not fun. I remember(thank god I can)being extremely paranoid & I saw some crazy, crazy shit (flying elephants,naked dancers running down the street, Ronald Reagan) I knew a brother who used to be an original PG member who is still to this day (20 years & counting) walking around like a zombie because of Angel Dust.

[the crackhouse]

Klas, can't you find the dealer of this hit or denounce him to the cops ?
You need to cut off the roots of this mess.

Your boy, how old is he ?

[upliftdisco365]

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Primos, Thai Stick, Wickie Wicks...such cute harmless names for some dangerous ish... Now, Thai Sticks were different. These were sweet-tasting branches, that were probably more related to marijuana. They produced a very harsh smoke that would burn your throat. Thai Sticks always gave me a headache. Jeez, I'm such a burnout...

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Primos, Thai Stick, Wickie Wicks...such cute harmless names for some dangerous ish... Now, Thai Sticks were different. These were sweet-tasting branches, that were probably more related to marijuana. They produced a very harsh smoke that would burn your throat. Thai Sticks always gave me a headache. Jeez, I'm such a burnout... </font>[/QUOTE]:snicker:

[D J 1 3 8]

Now I'm confused.
When I was coming up, Thai-stick was simply Thai weed - which is chocolate brown and has a different taste. It was not dipped in anything.
It's also often milder than hydroponic weed in my experience.
When I was in Thailand, you could get a dime bag for the equivelent of 80 cents U.S.

[djklas]

Originally posted by idancetoomuch:
Klas, can't you find the dealer of this hit or denounce him to the cops ?
You need to cut off the roots of this mess.

Your boy, how old is he ? Hi Idancetoomuch, what your saying makes sense, but this is not really an option that I would consider... maybe in my error and not that I'm hardcore or anything but I've made certain decisions in my life where I feel it would be hypocritical of me to report this person to the police...
... also this individual isn't the problem, drugs will always be available as long as there are people to consume them...
My friend is 24 and can make his own decisions as much as I do or don't agree with them...

Peace,
klas

[martino]

if youre talking about pcp: My friend did it a few times. he enjoyed it at first, but then It ****ed him up large as the high stayed with him well after he did it. meaning weeks. (got kicked out of school etc). He was talking on a different level. ie narcotic induced psychosis. He did eventually cleanse himself out and moved on. But it was up to him, nothing his friends could do to help. Just hope your friend is strong, cause it will be up to him.

[upliftdisco365]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Now I'm confused.
When I was coming up, Thai-stick was simply Thai weed - which is chocolate brown and has a different taste. It was not dipped in anything.
It's also often milder than hydroponic weed in my experience.
When I was in Thailand, you could get a dime bag for the equivelent of 80 cents U.S. Yeah, man. Thai sticks aren't dipped in anything. I remember them as these weird-looking branches, for lack of a better term. kind of like a straight, semi-unifomed "stalk" of weed, I guess. They were really strong. Nowhere NEAR as strong as hydro, but very potent.

[djklas]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Now I'm confused.
When I was coming up, Thai-stick was simply Thai weed - which is chocolate brown and has a different taste. It was not dipped in anything.
It's also often milder than hydroponic weed in my experience.
When I was in Thailand, you could get a dime bag for the equivelent of 80 cents U.S. There is Thai weed like you mentioned that is less strong, but I have also heard of Thai sticks which were tied with string and dipped in opium...
man... all these crazy combos... I'll put some hash on my herb sometime, but actually I prefer to smoke hash seperately when I get it... :D

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[martino]

2x post

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[Dee-Dee Sheridan]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Goddamn. We called it "Slow-Motion Potion" Couple of puffs makes you a walking zombie. We used to call it "wicked sticks"

[kev]

Who the hell comes up with the idea of adding embalming fluid to the mix in the first place anyway? sheesh

[Friday]

damn! I never even heard of about 98% of this stuff .

[dennis f]

man this stuff just rots your brain.....and it smells nasty...you can never forget that smell. I thought you were talkin' about weed at first. so...my bad..but dust ahhh hell no!! You need to set that shit straight. He can do what he wants on his own time but he better be straight when it's biz time.

[And]

I watched one of my dearest friends go from selling and doing speed to Heroin. He broke away from our group of friends, stopped hanging out, talking and moved to another city known for it's heroin (users, access to). In the 7-8 years that I've known him, I've gone to visit him a few times in jail because of the problems he was getting into when on drugs.
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These kinds of things are sad to watch. I'd read his letters from jail and cry and laugh at the same time. He was often mistaken for not being very smart when the opposite was true and then some. He was one of the funniest people I knew. You know one of those guys that always had a smirk on his face 'cause he really was getting the last laugh.
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I never knew how to talk to him about his drug problem because he chose to relate to me on a different level. Even though I knew the accusations about him were true, I also felt he'd picked me to be the friend that wouldn't see these things. I'm sure we can all understand this. Sometimes you don't want to go to people who think they know (or do) all your shit 'cause you don't want to hear advice from them.
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On his last release from jail he came to visit me ... and this is the point of my long winded story (pardons). The way I see it, everyone has their demons to chase. We can't always help our friends chase them. The next best thing becomes letting your friend know that you have every confidence in them as a person. You don't judge how they're fighting their demons but you do know they can do what's best for themselves. Sometimes even when we mean well and worry about a friend, the worrying makes it worse for them 'cause now in addition to the guilt they already feel about their problems they're worrying about you worrying about them.
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I don't see my friend much at all. Last I heard he robbed a couple banks and went to jail again. I do believe he's out now. The best I can do for him now is to always think positive thoughts for and about him.
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I wish you the best outcome possible Dj Klas.

[Pete Nice]

hey klas,
man i'm sorry to hear this. it's hard to watch those close to us fall from grace. my man make sure b4 you do anything that you've taken of your life first and foremost. each of has tto ravel the road alone eventaully. your best bet is just to be there and ready to help when your friend is ready. just know that he's gonna do what he's gonna do. that's the sad part is people lose sight of their loved ones once drugs dig in deep. just support when you, walk away when you should. peace!

[djklas]

Dennis, yeah man I don't have any problems with weed, I smoke herbs myself...

6 23, thank you for sharing. I have a friend in prison right now too, one of my best friends actually. I was actually glad to see him go though ... trip... and I told him that... his thing was speed and he was putting that shit in his arm, he got way out of control and was driving around all high at all hours of the day and night with all kinds of weapons and drugs... it was just a matter of time before he went back to prison, and I'm sure he knew that too... I told him straight up... better that he got busted then hit somebodys kid on the way to school after being out all night on a crazy binge...

My other friend that I started this thread about, he is healthy and seems to have the upper hand on his drug problem as much as anyone can who uses this kind of shit, and he really just started ****ing with this stuff and maybe it won't go anywhere, I hope not.

[AD]

Dude, do what ever you have to do to get him off that shit. I've known a few heads get into that shit when I was in high school and they're all in prison or dead. That shit makes you violent and it's real addictive. That's rough, bro, cause it's a real hard addiction to kick. You're talkin' about Angel Dust, right?

[djklas]

Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
Dude, do what ever you have to do to get him off that shit. I've known a few heads get into that shit when I was in high school and they're all in prison or dead. That shit makes you violent and it's real addictive. That's rough, bro, cause it's a real hard addiction to kick. You're talkin' about Angel Dust, right? actually it's embalming fluid, put supposedly it has the same affect... I don't know about the violence part...

[AD]

Originally posted by djklas:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
Dude, do what ever you have to do to get him off that shit. I've known a few heads get into that shit when I was in high school and they're all in prison or dead. That shit makes you violent and it's real addictive. That's rough, bro, cause it's a real hard addiction to kick. You're talkin' about Angel Dust, right? actually it's embalming fluid, put supposedly it has the same affect... I don't know about the violence part... </font>[/QUOTE]Dude, that shit is just as bad. Lots of that shit is turning up missing from UCI and a few of the other colleges in the area because of all the biology kids that wanna play Dr. Chemist. That stuff makes you violent too. Watch out when he's been off of it for a few days cause you'll notice a major difference in his personality. I knew some fools that were on that crap and they're worse than a tweeker. Get him off of that shit somehow. I feel for ya man cause I knew someone real close to me that died from doing stupid drugs like that. Just keep an eye out cause you can't trust someone on those kind of drugs no matter how close they are to you.

[JMNYC]

I remember how they used to refer to a joint dipped in embalming fluid as a "dip jammy" back in the day ... :(

I agree that there's not much you can do, except be REAL with your friend and be a FRIEND to him.

This does not mean enabling his addiction, however. People have to make their own decisions when it comes to these things. Some people just have to hit rock bottom before they can rise again... if they actually get a chance to rise again at all.

It's sad - I've watched friends die drug-related deaths several times in my life, and it hurts tremendously, but if the person is powerless over the drug (addiction), then you are even more powerless over their addiction. It's their choice, their life and their battle. You don't have to sit by and watch. Each of us has our own battles in this lifetime - our own experiences that we HAVE to go through in order to evolve.

You can choose to let him dig his own grave (and tell him this) and still be there to offer him a hand when and if he's ready to clean up.

One other thing: addiction is a simple formula: pain+learned relief ... the only way to deal with addictive behavior is to address the pain. Otherwise there will always be another form of "learned relief".

[ October 30, 2003, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

[Mah'chew]

Klas,

Good luck man, I definitely feel your pain.

I have just gone through this kind of trial with my friend.

He was addicted to coke and was using every excuse to get more funds from his family in the UK.

It got to the point where I had to tell his folks back home and they said they already knew all about it.

Not good, packed him off to the UK before he got into anything too deep with the Yak's..

Best of luck

[erd]

Hey Klas,
I have seen quite a few friends and acquaintancs diving deeply into the drug sea and never coming back to the surface.
It's really hard, but at the end of the day, what can you really do? Nothing, I guess. Talk and talk and talk, but if that certain person is dead-serious about going to nirvana then he will. Unless, he wakes up himself. One of my dearest friends went that way with the heavy use of all things psychedelic combined with a lot of south american powder or chemicals. The last time I saw him was on a train and he borowed money from me - he knowing and me knowing that I will never get it back :rolleyes:
The lst thing I heard about him was that he had been caught by the police while he was running completely naked through a park at day-time. That was a few years ago. They brought him to a mental hospital. I really would like to know, what happened to him. Drugs can work. For some people, some time. But not 24 hours.
All the best for your boy though.

Peace.

Gerd