What prevents people from going to hear an "unknown dj" play?

[Savoir-Faire]

I'm not saying this about all people, but IMO there are some people that don't put much energy into "experiencing an unknown".

Speaking in general, if people enjoy music so much...what difference does it make who is playing it? There will always be favorites in our communities, but I'm interested in knowing how many of us here actually give a listen to the non-favorites...not just online...but @ different venues too.

Does it just come down to personal preference as to who serves the music? It goes without saying that everyone does it different anyway. And...for everyone that plays, it doesn't necessarily mean that they can play.

Personally, I enjoy just going out and hearing "dj xyz" play a set at some of the same venues that a big name jock may play. No, they may not have the same platform or following but in the end their set usually has the same results...a great night of music.

I know some may have a hard enough time going to hear people they ACTUALLY know...it makes me think of how difficult it may be for one to go and hear and unknown.

I'm just curious...what may prevent one from going to hear an unknown?
(especially if you don't have to pay...to hear them play)

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[DJ George Bates]

This is a really good question....

people complain about paying high cover , lack of a scene ....ect, ect. but they don't seem to be willing to try something new...even when it's free !

What are you looking for if this question applies to you ?

[sammyrock]

Im an unknown programer myself and its difficult to find someone to take a chance on any new djs like me..oh well..life goes on. smile.gif

[sammyrock]

Mabe they are afaid of not pulling in the $$$ vs. a well known Dj..??

[djyoavb]

people r affraid of new things and changes http://deephousepage.com/smilies/doh.gif

[ December 24, 2003, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: djyoavb ]

[Ronnie Ron]

This is just me, but if im in the presence of a great (well known) Jock i find myself listening to what he/she is playing more than dancing and having a good time. the unkown jocks i seem to dance and have more fun not thinking about what dude is playing just having a good time, and a lot of unknown jocks can beat the shit out of the box dont sleep......

R-R

[ December 24, 2003, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: RonnieRon ]

[Savoir-Faire]

Originally posted by sammyrock:
Mabe they are afaid of not pulling in the $$$ vs. a well known Dj..?? IMO, it's not always about the dollar. It just seems to me that there are people that only come out when the big names do, that's all. I'm sure that this has been said before.

There are places that I've been to that have crowds, and that "unknown" is up there movin' the masses. I just wonder how many others are open to the idea of going to hear someone they never heard of...

And keep playing, I'm sure you'll "get that chance"!
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[SMOOTH87]

IMHO it's not always the dj in Chicago anyway. Lots of people go because of the place. I have found it easier to get people out if the party is in a general location.

[Savoir-Faire]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
and a lot of unknown jocks can beat the shit out of the box dont sleep......
IMO, they are "hungrier" because of their status. Some people I know have equalled or exceeded the bigger known jocks in terms of consistency or selection...that's just my opinion of course.

I am still experiencing the "big names" as well as the "unknowns"...
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[djyoavb]

why r big movie producers always choose ultra famous actors... (because people (sheep) want to see them).

if u have a name u r fixed for life. u can make shity art or whatever and still get loads of $$$ for your farts. most of the big named dj's maybe 50%, r playing crap and r tired of hearing even themselfs. but that's how the capitalistic method works, good for us http://deephousepage.com/smilies/cussing.gif

[ December 24, 2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: djyoavb ]

[Savoir-Faire]

Originally posted by djyoavb:
[QB] why r big movie producers always choose ultra famous actors... (because people (sheep) want to see them).
But @ one point they weren't ultra famous actors. Someone had to see, discover, support, believe...(insert your own here) in them so the sheep could follow them.

good points, djyoavb...
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[Djay Raare]

Originally posted by RonnieRon:
This is just me, but if im in the presence of a great (well known) Jock i find myself listening to what he/she is playing more than dancing and having a good time. the unkown jocks i seem to dance and have more fun not thinking about what dude is playing just having a good time, and a lot of unknown jocks can beat the shit out of the box dont sleep......

R-R same here graemlins/eusa_dance.gif

[Touchable Tone]

Peace f1, got your vm...I'm on the lookout.

Looking at it strictly from a logical perspective, (though I'm sure others out there can expound on the sociological and psychological reasons better than I, and those reasons do exist of course) I think that just as in any other respect, there's the finite component of time that governs most of the choices in what we make.

Those with more of it free, will have the "opportunity" to choose to check out an "unknown", but the other social factors kick in after that, like the stigma of change; but that's not to say that they WILL.

With so much more out there nowadays, time is even more or a critical factor.
Just MHO -- Shawty (dats how we say it hur in da souf)

[däp]

Originally posted by Touchable Tone:
Peace f1, got your vm...I'm on the lookout.

Looking at it strictly from a logical perspective, (though I'm sure others out there can expound on the sociological and psychological reasons better than I, and those reasons do exist of course) I think that just as in any other respect, there's the finite component of time that governs most of the choices in what we make.

Those with more of it free, will have the "opportunity" to choose to check out an "unknown", but the other social factors kick in after that, like the stigma of change; but that's not to say that they WILL.

With so much more out there nowadays, time is even more or a critical factor.
Just MHO -- Shawty (dats how we say it hur in da souf) i agree. those with less time on their hands are not as likely to "take a chance" when their time is more valuable. if i can go to a venue where i know the music will be good, i'm more inclined to go there versus taking a chance (but this is coming from a dj).

for me it's not about well-known vs unknown. it's quality, place and time, in that order.

[ December 24, 2003, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

[housebe4titties]

here in atl it seems that the masses of people aren't hungry for the music like they were before. people get comfortable in these niches that they've created and its hard to come out of it.

not all club owners/managers are about the money either. some really do try to take risks, but when people constantly fail to come out for these djs, they must book crap prog djs to break even cuz that brings the club business. a lot of good names have come through this year with weak attendance when the show was FREE!
some clubs even tried to balance it out. for example, they'd book a dj like tiesto to bring in the money, and use that money to bring in someone like f. feliciano. but they still ended up losing out.

people have gotten lazy.
especially in the bigger cities. most know that they can go to a certain club and hear the music they want to hear every weekend, so they don't HAVE to come check out some new guy cuz they're satisfied with what they have.

...or they're so stuck on a certain sound that they won't give anything else a chance even tho its much fresher. :rolleyes:

[Touchable Tone]

Originally posted by casscade:
here in atl it seems that the masses of people aren't hungry for the music like they were before. people get comfortable in these niches that they've created and its hard to come out of it.

not all club owners/managers are about the money either. some really do try to take risks, but when people constantly fail to come out for these djs, they must book crap prog djs to break even cuz that brings the club business. a lot of good names have come through this year with weak attendance when the show was FREE!
some clubs even tried to balance it out. for example, they'd book a dj like tiesto to bring in the money, and use that money to bring in someone like f. feliciano. but they still ended up losing out.

people have gotten lazy.
especially in the bigger cities. most know that they can go to a certain club and hear the music they want to hear every weekend, so they don't HAVE to come check out some new guy cuz they're satisfied with what they have.

...or they're so stuck on a certain sound that they won't give anything else a chance even tho its much fresher. :rolleyes: Yeauh Cass, That's the psycho-socio aspect that I knew someone like you could relay so eloquently to the masses....teach sista TEACH.

[the 18th letter]

Originally posted by Savoir-Faire:

I'm just curious...what may prevent one from going to hear an unknown?
(especially if you don't have to pay...to hear them play)

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/curtain.gif If you're going out to straight get yo dance on, then paying for an unknown DJ ain't gonna happen, especially if he's unknown to ME. If it's free and there are people, women, there your mother can play records for all I care. If I'm paying for a party to go and dance, then the DJ will be known to me or someone who I think has good musical taste.

[MrLiam]

what do you mean by unknpwn?
if it is somet1 i dont really know about i must say i want be botherd to her that if i happen 2 i give attention & if he is good just give my thumbs up & try 2 spred his name....
on another note i dont give credit to the name but where this guy is playing what type of connections caan always matter
e.g. last March we had in Malta a Sicilian DJ from Palermo to be exact he is resident @ a club named MOVIDA which every week has a host of wonderful guests like Roger Sanchez, Timo Mass, David Morales, Tony Humphries & all the best Italians as well, his set was very exciting 2 say the least & 1 of the best DJS i encountered for 2003.... smile.gif

[NubianSista]

I am a twirler. Personally I could care less if the DJ is big chit or not. What I look for in a party is the ambiance, good people, good sound, location, and the time. I love music. If he/she programming is tight, I will be soaked. Brand name or no-frills, I don't give a Hoot! ;)

[DJ RON C]

It is plain and simple, Faire...people don't want to chance seeing unknowns because there is a 50% percent chance that person will suck.

For every one unknown DJ you take a chance on seeing that takes you on a fufilling musical journey and expands your mind, you can easily see a boatload of guys who just started yesterday in the game or cats that don't even want to try, end up sucking horribly.

But then you still have to try them because you don't want to miss out on the chance of hearing a really great DJ in deep in the raw form of their beginnings. We have a lot of cats here like that.

(this does not say that going to see "name" brand DJs is any better-9 times out of 10, they will suck too, because they are so far from their roots-they are completely out of touch with their core crowds.)

That's why I always tell cats that want to join the game to put time into this craft before they just jump out and try to bang a club. Trials by fire don't always work out. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[ December 26, 2003, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Beatdown ]

[däp]

Originally posted by Beatdown:
That's why I always tell cats that want to join the game to put time into this craft before they just jump out and try to bang a club. Trials by fire don't always work out. graemlins/cool_shades.gif you get the gold star!

[DJ RON C]

Just keepin' it real, Torin. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[djdub63]

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Fear of the Unknown.....

[djyoavb]

Originally posted by djdub63:
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Fear of the Unknown..... simple and true

[MusicFilter]

I kinda like to know who's playin' before I use precious time to go out.

It's either that or I'm going to a friend's party who knows the music so I won't be dissapointed.
Then it's all about the type of people who'll be at the party and the vibe of the party.

I tend to believe that there are more "unknown djs" who are better than the known ones.

It's all about politics anyway.

It's about who you know, not about what you play anymore.

[MusicFilter]

Originally posted by Nubiansista:
I am a twirler. Personally I could care less if the DJ is big chit or not. What I look for in a party is the ambiance, good people, good sound, location, and the time. I love music. If he/she programming is tight, I will be soaked. Brand name or no-frills, I don't give a Hoot! ;) I agree with you my sista!!! graemlins/remybussi.gif

[DJ RON C]

Nubian is right-I go out a lot to different clubs with different vibes to hear and see new and fresh stuff all the time. Its always good when you luck up on a good spot with a really good DJ. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

[nev m]

It's hard to get sheep to stray from "the flock" because once one is moving they all move. If you can put something in your flyer other than the DJ that they can assimilate to themselves then you're onto a winnner.

What you need to do is attract those few sheep that start moving first. These are the hardest to attract.

P.s Sorry about the analogy but it was the simplest way I could think of putting it!

[Savoir-Faire]

Originally posted by nev m:
It's hard to get sheep to stray from "the flock" because once one is moving they all move. If you can put something in your flyer other than the DJ that they can assimilate to themselves then you're onto a winnner.

What you need to do is attract those few sheep that start moving first. These are the hardest to attract.

P.s Sorry about the analogy but it was the simplest way I could think of putting it! No need to be sorry. Your point is well taken. In addition, I have learned something from everyone's posts here. Thanks to all for their responses!

The "Straying" Sheep.
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[Jay Rags]

I wouldn't mind going to hear an unknown dj play if the advertisement was for the bangin', soulful, House music that I love. I don't want to hear no unknown dj in the area I live in talking about "come and hear me play the classics". I want to hear an unknown dj do something that other dj's don't do.

[ December 27, 2003, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: jay rags ]