Sammy Sosa Gets Caught!!!!!!

[Fletch]

Chicago Cub Heads,

Sammy got caught with a corked bat last night. Now they're saying he may have a hard time gettin' into Cooperstown (I think that argument is bull).

One good thing, though. He came clean. That will help him. Hopefully, the suspension can be stayed until after the Yankee game, so Roger can put his head out while gettin' 300. Peace.

[delshawn]

i am not into baseball, but that is SAD.

Noyt only does it look bad on his people, but by nature of the pigment of his skin, even a Black man from Mississippi now has his integrity in question.

Say it isn't Sooo Sammy!

[JMJ]

I'm a life-long Cub fan, and I don't buy Sammy's story about it being a batting practice bat that "accidentally' ended up with his game bats. He's been in a horrible slump since coming off the DL, and the corked bat was being used to help him snap out of it, plain and simple. He claims he used it to entertain the fans in batting practice, but I'm not buying that one. It won't keep him from making it to Cooperstown, but he'll being taking some shit from opposing fans for a while......JMJ

[JMJ]

Originally posted by delshawn:
i am not into baseball, but that is SAD.

Noyt only does it look bad on his people, but by nature of the pigment of his skin, even a Black man from Mississippi now has his integrity in question.

Say it isn't Sooo Sammy! This has NOTHING to do with pigment, nor does it discredit other Dominicans. Cheaters come in every color......JMJ AR15firing.gif

[Fletch]

I'll take back the "Roger can put his head out" remark. I do hope that Sammy can play against Clemens, though.

I, personally don't think this will be a problem, because:
1) He came clean, admitted it and apologized.
2) He is a very, very likable guy.

Now, if it was Bonds (who, may people say, is a complete ***hole), then the Hall of Fame credentials may be questioned.

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by delshawn:
i am not into baseball, but that is SAD.

Noyt only does it look bad on his people, but by nature of the pigment of his skin, even a Black man from Mississippi now has his integrity in question.

Say it isn't Sooo Sammy! This has NOTHING to do with pigment, nor does it discredit other Dominicans. Cheaters come in every color......JMJ AR15firing.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I'll second that JMJ. This doesn't have shit to do with "his" people. Whoever they may be. Sammy brought shame on himself, not "his" people. Anyone who says so is a ****ing idiot. *I know G-Man. Warning number 1, but the race talk in this mother ****er really gets ridiculous sometimes and makes me want to graemlins/puke.gif .

[Tony Cano]

Sammy knows how to kiss ass.

[RX]

wow...how could he have done such a stupid thing? i was told by my hubby that the teams plays CLOSE attention to everything the opposition does - even the pitcher wiping his brow and continuing to pitch is grounds for a penalty graemlins/scared.gif
how desperate could he be?

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
wow...how could he have done such a stupid thing? i was told by my hubby that the teams plays CLOSE attention to everything the opposition does - even the pitcher wiping his brow and continuing to pitch is grounds for a penalty graemlins/scared.gif
how desperate could he be? You haven't seen him at bat lately....It hasn't been pretty. The league consfiscated ALL of his bats. Should be interesting to see if there were any other corked bats in his collection. Place your bets.....JMJ

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I felt so disappointed last night when I hear this news. I'm a Sammy Sosa fan and I just couldn't believe it when I heard the news. The guy hasn't been doing to good lately anyway so I wonder if that had anything to do with it, or if this was an ongoing thing throughout his career. I just hope they don't give him the same bullshit that Pete Rose had to go through. They both deserve to be in the Hall...plain and simple.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
I felt so disappointed last night when I hear this news. I'm a Sammy Sosa fan and I just couldn't believe it when I heard the news. The guy hasn't been doing to good lately anyway so I wonder if that had anything to do with it, or if this was an ongoing thing throughout his career. I just hope they don't give him the same bullshit that Pete Rose had to go through. They both deserve to be in the Hall...plain and simple. Yeah what they've done to Pete is absolutely unbelievable...I don't know this will be looked at very closely...and I too was a little disappointed at him...

[ChiJAM]

Sammy was busted--plain and simple. He had been struggling mightily at the plate since coming off the DL. Corey Patterson was even intentionally walked in order to face Sosa last week (it worked since Sammy struck out anyway). He'll still get into the HOF, but it's definitely a tarnish on his rep.

ChiJAM

[RX]

Originally posted by ChiJAM:
Sammy was busted--plain and simple. He had been struggling mightily at the plate since coming off the DL. what's the DL?

[Mack-Williams]

Well they conficated his bats. So, his story will hold up if they find a few bats corked not the majority. I just hope that is case so he want be looked at as a cheater and liar.

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChiJAM:
Sammy was busted--plain and simple. He had been struggling mightily at the plate since coming off the DL. what's the DL? </font>[/QUOTE]Disable List or injury list.

[JoeB]

disabled list = DL

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Ms Rickey X:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ChiJAM:
Sammy was busted--plain and simple. He had been struggling mightily at the plate since coming off the DL. what's the DL? </font>[/QUOTE]DL = Down Low.....JMJ graemlins/bolt.gif

[Fletch]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
I just hope they don't give him the same bullshit that Pete Rose had to go through. They both deserve to be in the Hall...plain and simple. Yeah what they've done to Pete is absolutely unbelievable...I don't know this will be looked at very closely...and I too was a little disappointed at him... </font>[/QUOTE]Uh, oh, I'm gonna get into a debate with a Cincinnati head over Pete Rose. Here it is...

Sammy immediately came clean and admitted his error.

Pete Rose, on his numbers alone, is a sure Hall Of Famer. The best ever!!!! However, I believe that every dugout has a sign that says that you will be banned if you bet on baseball. Pete's gambling got the best of him, and paid the price. Yes, he got kicked out by an overzealous commissioner (the late Bart Giamatti).

However, I believe that there is evidence that not only he bet on baseball, but he bet on Reds games. I also believe that for Pete to be reinstated, he has to come clean and admit his betting on baseball. Pete refuses to do this, and has been very evasise on this issue for the past 15 years. Pete's conduct is keeping him out of Cooperstown.

Also, I do believe that Shoeless Joe Jackson gets in the Hall before Pete. Shoeless Joe was banned for throwing the 1919 Black Sox Scandal, even though he batted .420(?) in the 1919 World Series.

[DJ Hutch]

graemlins/mecry.gif :( :( NOT SAMMY

[Fletch]

And if Sammy doesn't get in, Are we gonna remove George Brett, too? Of course, not. Sammy's in. Peace.

[Tony Cano]

Like I said "Sammy knows how to kiss ass". He came clean. In these business conditions, I do not think baseball can afford to have one of it's all time great home run sluggers go down like that. If it happened to an average player, maybe.

Rumor has that MJ may have potentially been involved in some shadey gambling dealings and this was the reason for his first retirement.

They(Owners & League) will do what is best for baseball.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by tcano:
Like I said "Sammy knows how to kiss ass". He came clean. In these business conditions, I do not think baseball can afford to have one of it's all time great home run sluggers go down like that. If it happened to an average player, maybe.

Rumor has that MJ may have potentially been involved in some shadey gambling dealings and this was the reason for his first retirement.

They(Owners & League) will do what is best for baseball. you're right...they've already fixed it for him...

but ole pete has been ostracized ....

[Fletch]

Originally posted by tcano:
Rumor has that MJ may have potentially been involved in some shadey gambling dealings and this was the reason for his first retirement.
I have always had a theory on Retirement I (1993). Here it is...

Mike's up in golf debt ($1 million?). David Stern finds this out. He confronts Mike. They have a secret deal for Mike to "take some time off for at least one year", but stay on the Bulls payroll (Reinsdorf's Birminham Barons). If this is true, then it's a brilliant move on Stern's part. Everbody knows that if the game's greatest player is suspended (the standard way), then the game of pro basketball is destroyed. Just a theory, though. Just a theory. Peace.

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Well they conficated his bats. So, his story will hold up if they find a few bats corked not the majority. I just hope that is case so he want be looked at as a cheater and liar. Sammy is a cheater and a liar. Check out Rick Telander's article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/telander/cst-spt-rick04.html) from today's Sun Times. It appears that Sammy normally uses a blond wood bat and switches to a black bat like he used last night when he gets in a jam. Of course it could be coincidence but it still doesn't look good. Sammy also claims that he uses the corked bat to please the fans during batting practice but apparently forgot that batting practice ends before fans are allowed in the ballpark.

The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Well they conficated his bats. So, his story will hold up if they find a few bats corked not the majority. I just hope that is case so he want be looked at as a cheater and liar. Sammy is a cheater and a liar. Check out Rick Telander's article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/telander/cst-spt-rick04.html) from today's Sun Times. It appears that Sammy normally uses a blond wood bat and switches to a black bat like he used last night when he gets in a jam. Of course it could be coincidence but it still doesn't look good. Sammy also claims that he uses the corked bat to please the fans during batting practice but apparently forgot that batting practice ends before fans are allowed in the ballpark.

The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. </font>[/QUOTE]let's see where this goes... http://deephousepage.com/smilies/whistle.gif

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Originally posted by einnod23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tcano:
Rumor has that MJ may have potentially been involved in some shadey gambling dealings and this was the reason for his first retirement.
I have always had a theory on Retirement I (1993). Here it is...

Mike's up in golf debt ($1 million?). David Stern finds this out. He confronts Mike. They have a secret deal for Mike to "take some time off for at least one year", but stay on the Bulls payroll (Reinsdorf's Birminham Barons). If this is true, then it's a brilliant move on Stern's part. Everbody knows that if the game's greatest player is suspended (the standard way), then the game of pro basketball is destroyed. Just a theory, though. Just a theory. Peace. </font>[/QUOTE]Quite an interesting theory. You're on to something. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif

[Tony Cano]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Well they conficated his bats. So, his story will hold up if they find a few bats corked not the majority. I just hope that is case so he want be looked at as a cheater and liar. Sammy is a cheater and a liar. Check out Rick Telander's article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/telander/cst-spt-rick04.html) from today's Sun Times. It appears that Sammy normally uses a blond wood bat and switches to a black bat like he used last night when he gets in a jam. Of course it could be coincidence but it still doesn't look good. Sammy also claims that he uses the corked bat to please the fans during batting practice but apparently forgot that batting practice ends before fans are allowed in the ballpark.

The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. </font>[/QUOTE]huh?

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
Sammy also claims that he uses the corked bat to please the fans during batting practice but apparently forgot that batting practice ends before fans are allowed in the ballpark.i haven't been to a ball game in a LOOONG time but is this always the case? any hardcore baseball fans care to comment on this?

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. huh? </font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. huh? </font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted...

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Give the race thing a rest and stick to the topic of this thread.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. huh? </font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted... </font>[/QUOTE]didn't he just answer that?

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. huh? </font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted... </font>[/QUOTE]didn't he just answer that? </font>[/QUOTE]he posted alot of stuff I just wanted to make sure I had clarity...no need to try to check me...

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. huh? </font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted... </font>[/QUOTE]That Sammy's a race traitor? No. That Sammy's a liar and a cheater? Yes.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. huh? </font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted... </font>[/QUOTE]didn't he just answer that? </font>[/QUOTE]he posted alot of stuff I just wanted to make sure I had clarity...no need to try to check me... </font>[/QUOTE]it was a simple question. nobody was trying to "check" you. sheesh. graemlins/conf44.gif

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
Give the race thing a rest and stick to the topic of this thread. Al, This is DHP. Every topic is ultimately about race.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
[/qb]huh? [/qb][/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. [/qb][/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted... [/qb][/QUOTE]That Sammy's a race traitor? No. That Sammy's a liar and a cheater? Yes. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Gotcha....

[Steve Price]

C'mon Cubs fans. It's not that bad. Sammy is still baseball's goodwill ambassador. In addition to his financial support for his home country; I hear he is using all the wood drilled from his bats to build homes in the Domincan Republic.


SteveP

[liL Ray]

Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
huh? [/qb]</font>[/QUOTE]It's a shame that this has to be explained but here goes. Look at my earlier post in this thread. The above comment is what is known as sarcasm because it is utterly ridiculous which is probably why I should not have posted it here because the ridiculous, particularly as it pertains to race, is often perceived as fact. [/qb][/QUOTE]Oh, so you didn't really mean what you posted... [/qb][/QUOTE]That Sammy's a race traitor? No. That Sammy's a liar and a cheater? Yes. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Gotcha.... [/QB][/QUOTE]
That was a good one. LOL

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Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Albert D.:
Give the race thing a rest and stick to the topic of this thread. Al, This is DHP. Every topic is ultimately about race. </font>[/QUOTE]True...although it it shouldn't be that way.

[JoeB]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon?

[ June 04, 2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: JoeB ]

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]Not at all...have you seen the back page of the NY Daily News....you know I'm not jumping to conclusions too soon....wanna make a friendly side wager that the press will burn him at the stakes by, saaayyy, friday? A pitcher of beer seems like a good bet....plus I need to finally have a drink with my ardent critic, JoeB. ;)

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]pump ya brakes... :D

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]pump ya brakes... :D </font>[/QUOTE]I hope for Sammy's sake I'm proven wrong...something tells me (history) that I will be right...again....sad.

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Steve Price:
C'mon Cubs fans. It's not that bad. Sammy is still baseball's goodwill ambassador. In addition to his financial support for his home country; I hear he is using all the wood drilled from his bats to build homes in the Domincan Republic.


SteveP graemlins/lol.gif

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]Not at all...have you seen the back page of the NY Daily News....you know I'm not jumping to conclusions too soon....wanna make a friendly side wager that the press will burn him at the stakes by, saaayyy, friday? A pitcher of beer seems like a good bet....plus I need to finally have a drink with my ardent critic, JoeB. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]You're giving them til Friday...I'm giving them until this evening news broadcast...

[JoeB]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]Not at all...have you seen the back page of the NY Daily News....you know I'm not jumping to conclusions too soon....wanna make a friendly side wager that the press will burn him at the stakes by, saaayyy, friday? A pitcher of beer seems like a good bet....plus I need to finally have a drink with my ardent critic, JoeB. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]well, won't they do that right off the bat, like with all athletes that make mistakes? since it is a HOT story, ya know?

i would love to take you up on that offer but i don't think i'll be up in NYC anytime soon but when i am, i'll find a way to challenge you(again ;) ) and maybe start another wager with you. graemlins/acclaim.gif

[ June 04, 2003, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: JoeB ]

[JoeB]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]pump ya brakes... :D </font>[/QUOTE]quit checking me! ahahahaha just messin' with ya. biggrinangel.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by Albert D.:
I felt so disappointed last night when I hear this news. I'm a Sammy Sosa fan and I just couldn't believe it when I heard the news. The guy hasn't been doing to good lately anyway so I wonder if that had anything to do with it, or if this was an ongoing thing throughout his career. I just hope they don't give him the same bullshit that Pete Rose had to go through. They both deserve to be in the Hall...plain and simple. WTF! Pete Rose and Sammy, c'mon man

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by JoeB:
well, won't they do that right off the bat, like with all athletes that make mistakes? since it is a HOT story, ya know?

i would love to take you up on that offer but i don't think i'll be up in NYC anytime soon but when i am, i'll find a way to challenge you(again ;) ) and maybe start another wager with you. graemlins/acclaim.gif True, they usually jump on a HOT story with vim and vigor, but you usually at least hear voices in the press reasoning for the other side of the story....all day I haven't heard those voices. All I'm hearing is the hammer and nails of the cross being ready for the crucifiction of another Black Icon....again, I hope I'm wrong.... :(

I can't wait 'til you head this way...and the other challenge.. :D

[ June 04, 2003, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. whoa. slow down, liL ray. don't you think you are jumping to conclusions a little too soon? </font>[/QUOTE]pump ya brakes... :D </font>[/QUOTE]quit checking me! ahahahaha just messin' with ya. biggrinangel.gif </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/rofl.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. rapist, pedophile director = Roman Polanski

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Here we go again...crucify the Black icon, this time without even a chance to hear his story...but White icons like Woody, Marv Albert, Downey, Jr., that rapist director, Pete Rose(he'll be exonerated(sp??)one day) gets standing ovations and can continue to work and make a living.

This society baffles me sometime...but maybe I'm just being paranoid. rapist, pedophile director = Roman Polanski </font>[/QUOTE]Thank you...I tried to forget....they even gave this asswhipe an Oscar.....baffling!!

[ June 04, 2003, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: liL Ray ]

[JMJ]

Originally posted by JoeB:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
Sammy also claims that he uses the corked bat to please the fans during batting practice but apparently forgot that batting practice ends before fans are allowed in the ballpark.i haven't been to a ball game in a LOOONG time but is this always the case? any hardcore baseball fans care to comment on this? </font>[/QUOTE]Bullshit alibi. I've been there to watch batting practice, so there goes that excuse also....JMJ

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by delshawn:
i am not into baseball, but that is SAD.

Noyt only does it look bad on his people, but by nature of the pigment of his skin, even a Black man from Mississippi now has his integrity in question.

Say it isn't Sooo Sammy! This has NOTHING to do with pigment, nor does it discredit other Dominicans. Cheaters come in every color......JMJ AR15firing.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I'll second that JMJ. This doesn't have shit to do with "his" people. Whoever they may be. Sammy brought shame on himself, not "his" people. Anyone who says so is a ****ing idiot. *I know G-Man. Warning number 1, but the race talk in this mother ****er really gets ridiculous sometimes and makes me want to graemlins/puke.gif . </font>[/QUOTE]Seconded.

[Mack-Williams]

Like I said before we will find out the real deal when they examine the bats. This could be an mistake or he could have got caught cheating. So hold your verdicts until we the offical news.

[ June 04, 2003, 03:04 PM: Message edited by: Mack-Williams ]

[Bold Soul]

This is what I would like to see happen:

1. People of color realize that kneejerk, Pavlovian assumptions regarding racial discrimination detract from the actual and very prevalent effects of racism carried out by the world business community.

2. People of color in the DHP realize that a mindful, researched and solution capped response to threads regarding race help pinpoint and erode the issues of racism that effect us all.

3. People who identify with the notion of "white" begin to realize that their conditioning as whites may not accommodate an awareness of said issues and understand that simply because something doesn't make sense to them doesn't make it a crack-pot conspiracy theory or "blame placing".

4. Speilberg comes to my house and admits that he sold his semen to a Sperm Bank when he needed money during college which was subsequently visited by my mother on a trip to California in 1970.

Yea, I know. And points 1-3 will never happen either.

[Pete Nice]

this is all a bad joke. things like this just keep tainting the game. who can blame him? he wants to keep makin' that cash and the bar has been raised. who cares if it's legit the way he gets his homeruns it's just entertainment not skill or competition. screw them all. i have no sympathy for people who cheat when the league min. is $300,000 to sit on the bench. i don't think any of the 70+ homerun seasons are legit either. what happended to it just being a game.....?

[delshawn]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by delshawn:
i am not into baseball, but that is SAD.

Noyt only does it look bad on his people, but by nature of the pigment of his skin, even a Black man from Mississippi now has his integrity in question.

Say it isn't Sooo Sammy! This has NOTHING to do with pigment, nor does it discredit other Dominicans. Cheaters come in every color......JMJ AR15firing.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I'll second that JMJ. This doesn't have shit to do with "his" people. Whoever they may be. Sammy brought shame on himself, not "his" people. Anyone who says so is a ****ing idiot. *I know G-Man. Warning number 1, but the race talk in this mother ****er really gets ridiculous sometimes and makes me want to graemlins/puke.gif . </font>[/QUOTE]..lol
you guys are full of more harmones than a cheap piece of fried chicken.

the statement was objective.

BTW, I live in the South. I do not live in as culturally diverse an area as you do. And for myself as a Black man, I have to be above reproach! Now get a grip thing! Your perception is not always reality.

You replies are as if Sammy was your Mammy ...relax. Take a drink. Hey here is a novel idea.. go listen to some House music!

[FemalePhenom]

Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif

[ June 04, 2003, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: FemalePhenom ]

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Good news on Sammy!!! They sawed open his remaining 77 bats and not one single bat had cork in it. I guess his story is holding up that it was only corked for batting practice. Now lets just see how long the media will continue to bash him on this.

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif hehehe...balls.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by delshawn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by delshawn:
i am not into baseball, but that is SAD.

Noyt only does it look bad on his people, but by nature of the pigment of his skin, even a Black man from Mississippi now has his integrity in question.

Say it isn't Sooo Sammy! This has NOTHING to do with pigment, nor does it discredit other Dominicans. Cheaters come in every color......JMJ AR15firing.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I'll second that JMJ. This doesn't have shit to do with "his" people. Whoever they may be. Sammy brought shame on himself, not "his" people. Anyone who says so is a ****ing idiot. *I know G-Man. Warning number 1, but the race talk in this mother ****er really gets ridiculous sometimes and makes me want to graemlins/puke.gif . </font>[/QUOTE]..lol
you guys are full of more harmones than a cheap piece of fried chicken.

the statement was objective.

BTW, I live in the South. I do not live in as culturally diverse an area as you do. And for myself as a Black man, I have to be above reproach! Now get a grip thing! Your perception is not always reality.

You replies are as if Sammy was your Mammy ...relax. Take a drink. Hey here is a novel idea.. go listen to some House music! </font>[/QUOTE]You make absolutely no sense. This whole corked bat scandal is a BASEBALL issue, not a racial one, as you'd like it to be. Yes, integrity has been compromised. A BASEBALL PLAYER'S INTEGRITY, not the integrity of a Black or Dominican man, and since you've admitted to not following baseball, you're no more qualified to respond to a BASEBALL topic than I am to respond to a story about RETARDS PHUCKING!! Correction - I might be slightly more qualified, given the familiar subject matter (retards phucking), but that's fodder for a topic all it's own. Lastly - don't use your geographical location as a crutch for your obvious social ineptitude. That shit doesn't cut it here. Open your eyes now. I have spoken......JMJ AR15firing.gif

[ June 05, 2003, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

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oooooooooo!! The Don is not pleased. :eek:

[mhd]

Sammy using a corked bat is a baseball issue how the media covers it is an issue with race as a backdrop as it always is with black athletes

[Fletch]

Sammy was found clean with regard to the 65 other bats. As far as I'm concerned, case closed. No (*) next to his name, unless there's ABSOLUTE PROOF that those 505 home runs were corked. No evidence = not guilty. Hire his Hall of Fame sculptor right now.

I know I shouldn't bring race in this, but some writers did use the term "splain" (espn.com, I think). graemlins/jpshakehead.gif But guess what? He came clean. He's clean. He aint got to splain ****. Peace.

[El Mayimbe]

i'll tell you one thing it was kind of a crazy mood yesterday with the announcement of Miss Universe coming from DR then Sammy getting caught with a corked bat!

Personally I think it was a KKKonspiracy and my boy Sosa was set up to keep the Dominican Man down!!!
j/k lol

We should see the outcome of this dilemma.


But on a serious note:
as DHP likes to bring up the race issue one thing that I recall was when Sammy & Mark Mcquire were going for that Home Run record a couple of seasons ago, the National News was interviewing baseball fans around the country and they asked some Black people their view of the race to break the record and this one guy mentioned and I quote:
"Sammy is a brotha but he aint an AMERICAN so I'ma go for MArk"
Grant it its one guy who said it but after that statement that shit burnt me badly.
And it confirms my feeling of uncertainty with many non-NY black people since i have to explain time and time again that there are black Latinos out there who are very much American as "Billy Bob" from Kansas.

The history of the Dominican Republic is shaped mostly by American intervention & policies so were much part of American history and culture as the rest of this country. & in regards to Black History remember how Haiti is the 1st and ONLY BLACK NATION to be independent in the western hemisphere and its right next to DR.

just my 2 cents.sorry had to vent

I'm off to go press some "FREE SAMMY" t shirts if anyone is interested ;) icon_rofl.gif

[mhd]

Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif anyone else find this bizarre?

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by tcano:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mack-Williams:
Well they conficated his bats. So, his story will hold up if they find a few bats corked not the majority. I just hope that is case so he want be looked at as a cheater and liar. Sammy is a cheater and a liar. Check out Rick Telander's article (http://www.suntimes.com/output/telander/cst-spt-rick04.html) from today's Sun Times. It appears that Sammy normally uses a blond wood bat and switches to a black bat like he used last night when he gets in a jam. Of course it could be coincidence but it still doesn't look good. Sammy also claims that he uses the corked bat to please the fans during batting practice but apparently forgot that batting practice ends before fans are allowed in the ballpark.

The thing that saddens me the most about this incident is that Sammy used a black bat to do the dirty deed and the blond, or you could say white, bat was the clean one. This further perpetuates the notion that everything black is bad and Sammy is a traitor to the black race because of it. </font>[/QUOTE]huh? </font>[/QUOTE]He used a BLACK bat because BLACK ABSORBS LIGHT, therefore NO GLARE and NO SHADOWS in order to better MASK the CORK and the RESIN USED TO HIDE THE CORK...

Man, I am really, REALLY sick and tired of the foolish racial notions of black folk. Every thing that occurs in nature that is lighly colored isn't an Elijah Muhammadian Metaphor for white supremacy.

Did Imam Isa join the DHP lately?

[ June 05, 2003, 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif anyone else find this bizarre? </font>[/QUOTE]No.

[YUJI-SAN]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif anyone else find this bizarre? </font>[/QUOTE]Nope not bizarre at all .She stated her opinion gave something else to look at besides race issues.

[ June 05, 2003, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: YUJI BR0WN ]

[FemalePhenom]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif anyone else find this bizarre? </font>[/QUOTE]What is bizarre about what I said? I just stated my opinion and gave everyone something else to think about besides race.
:rolleyes:
Try to put yourself in Sammy's shoes. Not justifying what he did, if in fact his intention was to cheat, but put yourself in his shoes. I think you would be panicking just like him. Fear of a ball hitting you in the head at that speed will affect anyone no matter what color, sex, etc.

[mhd]

Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Sammy was clocked in the head with a ball travelling 70-90 mph.(?) From little league to the pros, one of the biggest fears for a baseball player is getting hit in the head by the ball. Deep down inside the twinge of fear he may have had of getting popped in the head previously has probably grown tremendously. The reality of having been actually hit in the head (and the memory of that pain) is probably now shadowing his focus on just hitting the ball. Shoot, wouldn't you be scared?

Anyway, since earlier they have checked 77 of his bats, and no others were corked. However, what is his record right now? 505 homeruns? How do we go back and check all of those bats? And would that count for anything? Regardless, he deserves to go in the Hall of Fame; however, no matter what, there will always be an asterisk next to his name, and he will always be known as the ball player who corked his bat. Of course that is messed up, but Sammy corked his bat and went out to bat it? (If it were really his crowd pleaser bat, why not make his bats for the game aluminum or vice versa so he can tell the difference between that bat and his audience pleaser bat?) He is a grown man and a professional baseball player with 500+ homeruns under his belt. He f---ed up. I can't feel bad for that, I just feel bad that his record will always be marred now. It is even worse that he got clocked in the head with that ball, because maybe if that did not happen, we would not be discussing this whole thing today. graemlins/conf44.gif anyone else find this bizarre? </font>[/QUOTE]What is bizarre about what I said? I just stated my opinion and gave everyone something else to think about besides race.
:rolleyes:
Try to put yourself in Sammy's shoes. Not justifying what he did, if in fact his intention was to cheat, but put yourself in his shoes. I think you would be panicking just like him. Fear of a ball hitting you in the head at that speed will affect anyone no matter what color, sex, etc. </font>[/QUOTE]the reason i found it kinda strange is that he is subject to the same conditions as every one else, and that is the ball coming towards him at a high rate of speed, and while corked bats exist, they are rather uncommon. As an athlete, and as a former baseball player, you accept the risks of injury or you don't play. I have had multiple injuries and surgeries for sports related injuries, and like most athletes fear of injury never compelled me to cheat. Further, there is no correlation between fear of a beanball or a high-hard one to a corked bat.

by the way, not sure how race got into this

[ June 05, 2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: mhd ]

[FemalePhenom]

Ah, I see, you missed my point smile.gif Sammy is not only dealing with fear of the ball hitting him, he actually was hit in the head by the ball. That would mess with anyone on a subconscious level, and every time he steps up to bat now that fear is more real for him than ever before. You said you are an athlete, that would not mess with your head and affect your performance? On top of that, put yourself in Sammy's place, he is a (potential) hall of famer who just got clocked in the head, and his performance is suffering as a result. You may become desperate and do something outside of your character to maintain your performance, like cheating. Right?

I am not sure how race got into this conversation either, but when I originally posted my answer, there was a whole debate going about race, and I was trying to get away from that topic.

So is my answer still bizarre?

[Koffy Brown]

I thought the race issue regarding this thread was sarcasm... graemlins/conf44.gif

[Ish]

Even white baseball players have come forth stating this will no doubt become a race issue.

The media are already making sweeping statements about the validity of sosa's skills.

I am not defending Sammy or commenting on the severity of using a corked bat.

It is just a reality in this case that race will play a key role as it likely always has, for sammy's future and reputation.

It's like I read on some WACK yahoo message board once: "Its bad enough to catch your girl cheating on you, its that much worse if its with a black man..."

Just change the context, you get the same formula basically, with the media being the boyfriend, or something like that.

[FemalePhenom]

ok....so it was sarcasm, but I guess when I saw the topic and clicked to come in to see what were everyone's responses, I was not even thinking about race. I was thinking about how Sammy messed up if in fact he placed cork in his bat to cheat. And I answered based on that, but the only response to my comment was that it was bizarre. Hmmm...maybe I was being sarcastic too, but I was answering the topic, not introducing a new one. (and MHD, thanks for clarifying your response for me - I think we are on the same page, it is just that I was presenting what I thought may have caused Sammy to put the cork in his bat, and you were stating why that is not a valid excuse. I agree that it was not valid, which addresses the topic of him messing up and getting caught.)

If we want to talk about race and sports, that is a much more involved conversation and goes way beyond what Sammy did (or didn't do. ;) )

[mhd]

Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
Ah, I see, you missed my point smile.gif Sammy is not only dealing with fear of the ball hitting him, he actually was hit in the head by the ball. That would mess with anyone on a subconscious level, and every time he steps up to bat now that fear is more real for him than ever before. You said you are an athlete, that would not mess with your head and affect your performance? On top of that, put yourself in Sammy's place, he is a (potential) hall of famer who just got clocked in the head, and his performance is suffering as a result. You may become desperate and do something outside of your character to maintain your performance, like cheating. Right?

I am not sure how race got into this conversation either, but when I originally posted my answer, there was a whole debate going about race, and I was trying to get away from that topic.

So is my answer still bizarre? Thanks for the clarity, what you say is definitely reasonable, but i have been hit by baseballs, and this happens on the regular in the big leagues. Throwing a fastball at 90 mph+ at a guys head is part of the game and if a guy can't handle that they don't play. It's like Kobe not dunking on someone for fear of spraining an ankle or getting bridged. But, again, you could be right and your explanation could be on point, not only that, its pretty insightful

[Mack-Williams]

Originally posted by FemalePhenom:
ok....so it was sarcasm, but I guess when I saw the topic and clicked to come in to see what were everyone's responses, I was not even thinking about race. I was thinking about how Sammy messed up if in fact he placed cork in his bat to cheat. And I answered based on that, but the only response to my comment was that it was bizarre. Hmmm...maybe I was being sarcastic too, but I was answering the topic, not introducing a new one. (and MHD, thanks for clarifying your response for me - I think we are on the same page, it is just that I was presenting what I thought may have caused Sammy to put the cork in his bat, and you were stating why that is not a valid excuse. I agree that it was not valid, which addresses the topic of him messing up and getting caught.)

If we want to talk about race and sports, that is a much more involved conversation and goes way beyond what Sammy did (or didn't do. ;) ) You have no proof he was trying to cheat or that he has cheated in the past. So please don't call him a cheater. mad1.gif

[mhd]

Mack, depends on if you accept his explanation, doesn't it? after all, the cork was in the bat

[FemalePhenom]

You are absolutely right MHD! I agree completely. That is why if he did cheat, he messed up!

Comeon Mack, I am not calling him a cheater! I am the one who said before anyone else that the league went through 77 of his bats and did not find cork in any of them! I also did not name the topic of the discussion "Sammy Sosa Gets Caught!" So back up off me! graemlins/tongueout.gif

[Mack-Williams]

There is a difference in making an mistake and cheating. If Sammy was really cheating wouldn't he have been caught already. The many bats he has shattered. Sammy of all hitters really doesn't need to cheat.