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david_mancuso
10-18-2007, 04:39 AM
(Japan and China lead flight from the dollar)

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U.S. Dollar heading South

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Japan ceases to use US dollar as reserve currency
17.10.2007

http://english.pravda.ru/business/companies/98974-reserve_currency-0

Iran and Japan have taken another step in making the dollar's dominance a thing of the past.

Japanese oil refiners Cosmo Oil Co. and Japan Energy Corp. have started paying for Iranian crude oil in yen instead of dollars, announced company spokesmen on October 9. Both companies are following in the footsteps of Nippon Oil Corp.-Japan's largest oil refiner-which made the same announcement in September.

How significant is it that more and more nations are ceasing to use the dollar as a reserve currency?

Since the 1944 Bretton Woods Agreement, the US dollar has been the world's primary reserve currency. This has been especially true regarding the crude oil trade, in which the majority of nations pay for crude oil in dollars. The resulting massive demand for dollars has allowed the United States to accumulate trade deficits and fiscal debts without experiencing the negative economic impacts that such imbalances normally cause.

This past July, the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) general manager of crude oil marketing and exports, Ali Arshi, sent a letter to Japanese oil refineries requesting that all future crude oil shipments be paid for in yen. Three major Japanese oil refiners have already complied. Will other Asian oil refiners follow suit and move away from the US dollar?
As the largest overseas holder of US treasuries, Japan is a key supporter of the US dollar. Yet Iran is the third-largest supplier of Japanese oil. As one Tokyo investment securities analyst said, "What else can Japan do but accept the [Iranian] request, once the oil producer sent its wish?"

The switch to yen should have little negative impact on the Japanese economy. As the purchasing power of the dollar has decreased, the price of oil has skyrocketed to $80 a barrel. Any increase in value of the yen, due to increased oil-yen demand, will only make oil imports less expensive for a nation that is highly dependent on oil imports.

The Iranians are also optimistic about the switch. Hojjatollah Ghanimifard, the International Affairs Director of NIOC, stated that "With the arrangements we've made with our Asian customers, hopefully by the end of October we will have around 80 percent of our export revenues in currencies other than the dollar."

Already, approximately 65 percent of Iran's crude oil exports are based on the euro and another 20 percent on the yen. Iran is casting off the dollar and doing all it can to persuade the oil refineries of Japan to do the same.

Central banks in South Korea, China, Taiwan, Russia, Syria and Italy have announced plans to reduce their dollar holdings. As nations and corporations turn their back on the greenback, the decreasing demand for America's currency may cause its already weakening value to plunge to new depths.

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Japan and China lead flight from the dollar

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 12:26am BST 18/10/2007

www.telegraph.co.uk

Japan and China led a record withdrawl of foreign funds from the United States in August, heightening fears of a fresh slide in the dollar and a spike in US bond yields.

Data from the US Treasury showed outflows of $163bn (£80bn) from all forms of US investments. "These numbers are absolutely stunning," said Marc Ostwald, an economist at Insinger de Beaufort.

Asian investors dumped $52bn worth of US Treasury bonds alone, led by Japan ($23bn), China ($14.2bn) and Taiwan ($5bn). It is the first time since 1998 that foreigners have, on balance, sold Treasuries.

Mr Ostwald warned that US bond yields could start to rise again unless the outflows reverse quickly. "Woe betide US Treasuries if inflation does not remain benign," he said.

The release comes a day after the IMF warned that the dollar was still overvalued and likely to face "some depreciation in the medium term".

The dollar's short-lived rally over recent days stopped abruptly on the data, increasing pressure on US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson to shore up Washington's "strong dollar" rhetoric at the G7 summit this week.

The Greenback has already fallen below parity against the Canadian Loonie for the first time since 1976 and has touched record lows against a global basket. It closed at $2.032 against the pound.

David Woo, an analyst at Barclays Capital, said Washington was happy to see the dollar slide. "They don't care so long as the fall is not disorderly. They see it as a way of correcting the deficit. " he said.
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Mr Woo said a chunk of the August outflows may have come from foreigners borrowing in the US during the liquidity crunch to meet needs in euros. "We think it may be a one-off," he said.

The US requires $70bn a month in capital inflows to cover its current account deficit, but the key sources of finance are drying up one by one.

BNP Paribas said America has relied on "hot money" from abroad to cover 25pc to 30pc of the US short-term credit and commercial paper market over the last two years.

This flow is now in danger after the seizure in parts of the market over the summer and after the Federal Reserve's half point rate cut, which has shaved the US yield advantage over other countries.

Ian Stannard, a Paribas currency analyst, said the data was "extremely negative" for the dollar. "It exceeds the worst fears. It is not just foreigners who are selling US assets. Americans are turning their back as well," he said.

Central banks in Singapore, Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam have all begun to cut purchases of US bonds, or signalled an intent to do so. In effect, they are giving up trying to hold down their currencies because the policy is starting to set off inflation.

The Treasury data would have been even worse if it had not been for $60bn of inflows from hedge funds based in Britain and the Caymans, which needed to cover US positions at the height of the credit crunch.

NakedAge
10-18-2007, 05:53 AM
and, there it is.. served on a plate.

The Buddy Love Show
10-18-2007, 07:36 AM
and, there it is.. served on a plate.

there what is?

please explain as I dont have a good grasp on economics

E-Phi
10-18-2007, 09:21 AM
please explain as I dont have a good grasp on economics
:rofl5: I couldn't resist. BTW the dollar index is down today (again). My only worry is whether Congress is going to pass that China tariff bill. If they do that then China is going to unload its US debt.

Bill Blake
10-18-2007, 09:44 AM
It’s my understanding the Feds have made the dollar low to increase and promote American exports.

E-Phi
10-18-2007, 10:26 AM
It’s my understanding the Feds have made the dollar low to increase and promote American exports.
But if it's too low then it becomes inflationary. Other countries who hold our debt start to realize that it's not worth holding it because they'll be losing money.

ex: if you buy something for $10 (where $1=$1) and then the dollar becomes valued at $0.50, the item you bought is now only worth $5.00. You lost money. Now multiply that by billions and you'll see why other countries are getting nervous. Sooner or later they are going to say it's not worth it to keep losing money and sell just to stop the pain.

Bill Blake
10-18-2007, 10:30 AM
Understood.

So the assessment is that although the Feds had a desire to keep the dollar low, they did not foresee the securities SIVs mortgage fiasco, which with an already low dollar, can create a serious problem?

E-Phi
10-18-2007, 10:37 AM
Understood.

So the assessment is that although the Feds had a desire to keep the dollar low, they did not foresee the securities SIVs mortgage fiasco, which with an already low dollar, can create a serious problem?
They don't mind the low dollar, What's bugging them is that the SIV's and CDO's are kept off-balance sheets so they don't show up in the quarterly (10-Q) and annual (10-K) reports. Their value is unknown so the total amount of possible losses is also unknown.

The Buddy Love Show
10-18-2007, 10:43 AM
:rofl5: I couldn't resist. BTW the dollar index is down today (again). My only worry is whether Congress is going to pass that China tariff bill. If they do that then China is going to unload its US debt.

Dollar has been falling for a lil bit

Smart move since the yuan has been purposely been kept undervalued by the Chinese government in order to spur their economy

Financial Chess - we all better learn the moves or we'll end up as backwards pawns

E-Phi
10-18-2007, 11:00 AM
Dollar has been falling for a lil bit

Smart move since the yuan has been purposely been kept undervalued by the Chinese government in order to spur their economy

Financial Chess - we all better learn the moves or we'll end up as backwards pawns
The EU is also telling China to do something about the yuan because their businesses are losing money (less exports more imports).

China averages 1 mil new investors week. That's 100% increase the 1st week, 50% the 2nd week, 33% the 3rd week, 25% the 4th week, 20% the 5th week, etc. Now when they start to take gains off the table it's still an up market initially. Eventually it will make it a down market even though they are adding new investors wach week. That's when it starts to affect our market.

david_mancuso
10-18-2007, 11:17 AM
http://www.kitco.com/

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IMF says dollar ‘overvalued’
By Chris Giles in London

Published: October 17 2007 14:00

Currency traders were given a green light to continue selling the US dollar on Wednesday, as the International Monetary Fund said the greenback “remains overvalued” and rejected claims the euro had risen too far.

link: www.ft.com

alvin
10-19-2007, 10:09 PM
This article was written back in 2003...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A3188-2003Sep12&notFound=true


Should the day arrive when overseas holders of U.S. dollars, whether in Asia or elsewhere, decide not to buy so many U.S. assets or begin selling their holdings, that would reduce the overall demand for U.S. dollars, driving the value of the currency lower. That would raise the cost of imported goods in the United States, possibly fueling higher inflation and interest rates and slowing overall economic growth.

Economists have warned for years about the potentially painful consequences of such a shift in global investment patterns.


"The U.S. dollar is now at the mercy of Asian governments," said Joan Zheng, a former official at the People's Bank of China, the country's central bank, and now an economist at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. in Hong Kong. "If China wants to influence the market, it can. Its financial power is just so strong." China is calling the shots and the U.S. is relegated to a reactionary position. The only recourse that the U.S. has is to impose it's military might on the Chinese. They aren't threatening the Chinese directly....the U.S. is picking on Iran(who the Chinese have invested billions of dollars in the energy sector...ie. oil and nuclear programs) indirectly. When Bush is speaking about Iran and it's "nuclear programs" he is really speaking about China's investment in Iran...


Moreover, foreign investment in the United States -- whether through buying Treasurys, stocks, real estate or other assets -- finances the much broader U.S. current account deficit, the amount by which Americans spend and invest more than they produce and save, or more generally the degree to which they go into debt to foreigners in order to live beyond their current means. foreign holders of U.S. debt see that the debtors(U.S. citizens) have stretched themselves too far...


For now, though, most analysts view strong-arm tactics as extremely unlikely. If China really did sell Treasury securities, it might damage the U.S. economy, thereby harming the ability of American businesses and consumers to buy its goods. Key to the wealth that Asia is generating is its continued access to a healthy, growing U.S. market. Also, if China began to sell substantial amounts of Treasurys, that could be costly to China because it would drive down the value of its remaining Treasury holdings.China is looking towards it's future and is looking for new trading partners to help fuel it's rise as a superpower. This is why they are courting various nations on the African continent...untapped potential. The U.S. debtor is maxed out...

The U.S. is extremely afraid and is trying it's best to scare China(the real reason behind this Chinese product recall mania) into maintaining the status quo.

THE TIES THAT BIND RUSSIA, CHINA & IRAN
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html

david_mancuso
10-20-2007, 08:59 AM
Thanks alvin :)

dj steve o
10-20-2007, 10:21 PM
This article was written back in 2003...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A3188-2003Sep12&notFound=true



China is calling the shots and the U.S. is relegated to a reactionary position. The only recourse that the U.S. has is to impose it's military might on the Chinese. They aren't threatening the Chinese directly....the U.S. is picking on Iran(who the Chinese have invested billions of dollars in the energy sector...ie. oil and nuclear programs) indirectly. When Bush is speaking about Iran and it's "nuclear programs" he is really speaking about China's investment in Iran...

foreign holders of U.S. debt see that the debtors(U.S. citizens) have stretched themselves too far...

China is looking towards it's future and is looking for new trading partners to help fuel it's rise as a superpower. This is why they are courting various nations on the African continent...untapped potential. The U.S. debtor is maxed out...

The U.S. is extremely afraid and is trying it's best to scare China(the real reason behind this Chinese product recall mania) into maintaining the status quo.

THE TIES THAT BIND RUSSIA, CHINA & IRAN
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html

damn...all that $$$ for grad school & where do i find the best current lesson in int'l political economy? :hail: DHP! go figure...

E-Phi
10-21-2007, 01:45 AM
China's Economic Blackmail
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article1819.html

There are quite a few good articles on the economy on this website. Both sides (pro & con) are represented.

E-Phi
10-21-2007, 02:04 PM
Here's another one written before the dollar broke support at $80, before gold broke above resistance at $700 and before China and Japan sold off a part of their US Treasury holdings:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article1869.html

alvin
10-22-2007, 12:22 AM
Thanks alvin :)you're welcome.

alvin
10-22-2007, 01:39 AM
damn...all that $$$ for grad school & where do i find the best current lesson in int'l political economy? :hail: DHP! go figure...

Actually, it get's a lot deeper then most people think.

RULE OF LAW INITIATIVE
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/american_lawyers_serve_abroad/


Today, the ABA Rule of Law Initiative, com*prising CEELI and its sister initiatives, has rep**resentatives in more than 40 countries in Asia, Africa, Central and Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Union, Latin Amer*ica and the Middle East. The program receives rough*ly $35 million a year in grant funds.

http://www.abanet.org/aba-asia/projects/china.shtml

One scenerio could be is that the current global cabal want China and the rest of the so called "developing"(Third World) nations to come under complete control of the global "rule of law"...they seem to be trying to mediate some sort of backroom agreement with China(in spite of the mass media brainwashing taking place) and the U.S. seems to be the sacrificial lamb. China and Wall Street are already working together.


WALL STREET AND CHINESE SURVEILLANCE
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/business/worldbusiness/11security.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/business/12securityside.html?fta=y

and China is buying up the U.S. wholesale...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/us-in-spin-over-chinese-investment/2005/07/03/1120329329294.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/16/business/bear.php

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/07/0629/art1.html


Most of what China will do with its sovereign wealth fund will be heavily scrutinized, but it should not be feared, says David Marchick, a partner with Covington & Burling in Washington, D.C. "While important policy questions are triggered by the creation of this fund, particularly given its potential size, the United States should not react negatively to the move by China


It's hard to answer these questions now, but in all likelihood, the fund will be a good thing for China and the United States, Marchick argues. For China, it could help spur economic reform and integrate it into the global economy. "A U.S. policy that encourages investment by American companies in China while frowning upon Chinese investments in the United States is neither sustainable nor sound from an economic perspective," he says. "Rather, the United States should simultaneously encourage China to allow FDI and make clear that Chinese investment in the United States is not only welcome but encouraged. Greater FDI from China would bring substantial economic benefits to the U.S. economy, just as investment from other countries already does. Chinese investment in the United States will create jobs, promote research and development in the United States and enhance U.S. exports to China, including through intra-company trade."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2007-06/20/content_898346.htm

While they are selling the American public the fable that it is bad to "buy Chinese", they on the other hand are selling the U.S. off to the Chinese.

Chris Conrad
10-23-2007, 02:08 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/22/AR2007102200429_pf.html

mjoseph
10-23-2007, 07:22 PM
citibank and BOA are going through some rough waters.

32% loss, damn!

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071018/earns_bank_of_america.html

E-Phi
10-24-2007, 10:06 AM
It's the banks fault:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article2522.html

long read but pretty good.

Ernest Fountain
10-24-2007, 10:12 AM
thanks everybody for all the info.

mjoseph
10-24-2007, 11:09 AM
It's the banks fault:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article2522.html

long read but pretty good.

two weeks before being shot?? :eek:




"Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate." (President James A. Garfield, 1881)

yet wolfowitz walks free..

david_mancuso
10-24-2007, 02:13 PM
thanks everybody for all the info.

I would like to second that emotion :)

Mocambo
10-24-2007, 02:26 PM
I would like to second that emotion :)

Third

E-Phi
10-24-2007, 10:37 PM
Got another one. The market has been giddy about the S&P reaching and breaking the high from 2000. BUT if you look at it in Euros we haven't even reached the halfway point in recovery. Basically, the value of the dollar has continually declined.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article2553.html