Police use rubber bullets against protesters...

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

OAKLAND, Calif. (Reuters) - Oakland police fired rubber bullets and wooden pellets on Monday to disperse hundreds of anti-war protesters in what was believed to be the first such use against U.S. protesters since the American-led war on Iraq began.

Demonstrators were seeking to block access to American President Lines, a shipping company they claimed was profiting from the war in Iraq when said they used the pellets and bullets to disperse about 750 protesters.

Several people were injured, including some who suffered large bruises. One man lifted up his shirt to show a welt about the size of a baseball.

"We gave our dispersal order, we gave them an order, we gave them ample time to disperse," said Oakland Police spokeswoman Danielle Ashford. "When we give our dispersal order, that's pretty much it. (If) there are safety issues involved, that's when we step in."

The anti-war demonstrators carried signs including "Shut down the war makers."

The action is believed to be the first police use of anti-crowd munitions against U.S. demonstrators since President Bush launched a war aimed at toppling Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Police continued to fire upon a group of about 150 protesters that remained in mid-morning after the initial burst of rubber bullets broke up most of the crowd. Police arrested at least a dozen demonstrators in Oakland.

San Francisco police detained about 18 protesters at the Federal Building in a separate demonstration. Several people were also reported to be blocking one of the city's main highways.

Anti-war activists in the San Francisco area said they were resuming protest actions on Monday after a period of relative quiet in a city famous for its history of dissent. Police arrested more than 2,000 people in San Francisco in the first two days of the war.

Also on Monday, New York police arrested several dozen people who blocked the entrance to the Manhattan building of the Carlyle Group, a firm which has a stake in the defense industry.

Up to three hundred people chanted: "Carlyle gets fat on war" outside the offices of the $14 billion investment group.

Police said about two or three dozen demonstrators were arrested outside the 5th Avenue building and charged with disorderly conduct.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Good, Phuck Protesters

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[lola desire]

great. soon they'll be locking people up for buttering the wrong side of the bread. :rolleyes:
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A cautionary Cold War tale (first told by Dr. Seuss back in 1984), The Butter Battle Book still has a lot to teach about intolerance and how tit-for-tat violence can quickly get out of hand. Explaining the very serious differences between the Zooks and the Yooks, a Zook grandpa tells his grandchild the unspeakable truth: "It's high time that you knew of the terribly horrible thing that Zooks do.

[The Donger]

people are still protesting?

the war's already over...

[daniel]

Pow!
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030407/capt.1049738719.war_iraq_us_protests_caps105.jpg

[floorgasm]

they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison.

[SHEIK YERBOUTI]

Originally posted by floorgasm:
they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison. I heard about that. That scares me. Does anyone think they're gonna differentiate between wartime protests and any other type of protest later on? Fascism's coming. Big time.

[ April 07, 2003, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: toomuchtv ]

[Hk]

They seem to be the people smart enough
to know the aboding doom that we're about
to face in the wake of this shit!

I wonder do they have insurance policies for
countries nowadays.....?

My next poem is designed to blast those wanna
be intergrationists Negroes who are still trying
to prove to Uncle Sham that their patriotic by SIGNING UP to fight in his war!

[dVine]

wow, how threatening. laws against dissent being supported by a group of retards.

[mhd]

Originally posted by toomuchtv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by floorgasm:
they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison. I heard about that. That scares me. Does anyone think they're gonna differentiate between wartime protests and any other type of protest later on? Fascism's coming. Big time. </font>[/QUOTE]its already here

[RuralStu]

America - the land of the free!

They ought to use water cannons to disperse crowds, people will still get injured...but rubber bullets can kill....thus creating new enemies of the state.

regards

stu

[Jacques de Doozu]

Originally posted by toomuchtv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by floorgasm:
they're trying to pass a law in oregon that makes blocking a street or a building during a protest a crime of terrorism subject to 20 years in prison. I heard about that. That scares me. Does anyone think they're gonna differentiate between wartime protests and any other type of protest later on? Fascism's coming. Big time. </font>[/QUOTE]it's always been here, but it was disguised.only the moment people start to realise it's presence, those who maintain the power (that's what it's all about, not fascism, communism, religious power,...) will try to maintain it. bu then again they disguise it under 'safety measures'...
freedom has never included a greater paradox then now.
i'm sorry for my bad english, i would like to express myself better.

[Basecore Boy]

Trying to send our troops supplies and you want to stop them. Shame Shame Shame

I wish I was there to kick some protest ass. They need supplies. I'm starting to think most protestors don't have much of a life.

[O'love]

provision to do what? let me tell you, this will be another "osama" action.... they won't kill or capture Saddam, and i will not even be surprised if they won't even find any weapons of massdestruction....but noeone seems to care anymore it seems what the official reasons where to invade Iraq with UN support.... it's so easy to fool all the sheep with CNN, fox etc. with who do you think all those hospitals in iraq are filled? not with military people i can tell you.... but with "liberated" iraqi civilians..."liberated" from their legs, children, arms, family members......

Olaf

[ April 08, 2003, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: O'love ]

[lola desire]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Trying to send our troops supplies and you want to stop them. Shame Shame Shame

I wish I was there to kick some protest ass. They need supplies. I'm starting to think most protestors don't have much of a life. why do the anti-protestor people always ASS-U-ME that the protestors are for the other side, in this case "saddam sympathizers" or "anti-u.s. troops". what a crock of sh*t.

no war has ever or will ever bring about peace. war will not bring about national security.
war will not make little johnny or suzy feel cozier about going out to play.

this war is making the u.s. look like the the beast that the "enemy" claims it is. every bomb droped fuels the hatred for the u.s.; this situation does not ensure safety or freedom for anyone.

war is so archaic. all nations on this earth need to put the arms down and step away from violence and warfare and step toward seeing about real peace, understanding, and tolerance.

[Basecore Boy]

I heard this argument many times and people need to watch what is going on. The people of Irag are now starting to cheer us for being there. I can't believe how people on this board don't get it. The regime there is ruling with fear, the people are scared to even say his name (SADDAM). No food, No water. I guess most people don't care about people in that region. You have food and water and this is a gift from God. The minister of defense is funny too. We still own the airfields. You may still own them, but we are in charge now. Lies and more lies. Some people here need to join the Faydeen. Even if we take the oil, the people there will still live better than they are now.

[O'love]

no water and food..do you know where that came from? exactly....the US/UK invasion in iraq..... you're really naive if you think that food and water weren't available before the invasion...

furthermore: take a look at afghanistan and see how much better the people are living after they're "liberated"

[Basecore Boy]

Just listen to the people of Irag. They are speaking out now. Saddam cut the water and food supply to some cities, because this is how he controls his people. Damn, I can't believe you said that. Scared because the truth is starting to come out.

[lola desire]

Originally posted by O'love:
no water and food..do you know where that came from? exactly....the US/UK invasion in iraq..... you're really naive if you think that food and water weren't available before the invasion...

furthermore: take a look at afghanistan and see how much better the people are living after they're "liberated" his main resource:tv coverage of the war... nuff said.

:rolleyes:

[lola desire]

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[Basecore Boy]

Stop saying everytime someone doesn't argree with you he watches fox news. So, far from the mark.

[O'love]

you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf

[Basecore Boy]

Originally posted by O'love:
you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf So, tell me what should we do?

[Jacques de Doozu]

why do the anti-protestor people always ASS-U-ME that the protestors are for the other side, in this case "saddam sympathizers" or "anti-u.s. troops". what a crock of sh*t. this is correct. in any conflict there are always three parties. in this one it's (bluntly said) america, iraq, and the third party is the most dangerous one: those who refuse to participate. people who protest, belong mostly to this third party. they are considered 'dangerous' because they confront both parties with the fact that the absolute 'truth' they are fighting for is nothing but a lie. george bush and his puppets fight for 'freedom', this is said to be the ultimate goal, the destination of the war. this is supposed to prevail in the end.
the thing is: it won't. there has never been one war where the goal or intent is reached. there are only two options: or one party loses, and the other one wins, or both parties give up fighting.
both camps always try to use propaganda to convice the third party to join them. most of the time this also fails, and they refuse to confirm. sometimes it appears to work though... :rolleyes:

[O'love]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf So, tell me what should we do? </font>[/QUOTE]DON'T start bombing a country and killing civilians in the process without a valid reason and thus UN consensus...it's as simple as that..... there are plenty of countries where the people are in the same (or worse) conditions as in iraq, why doesn't the US army go there and act as the policeman of the world? who gives your gouvernment the right to decide who's right and who's wrong, who's evil and who's good? I suspect Bush *really* thinks he's on a mission from God... middle-ages crusades again..... let countries either clean up their own trouble internally, or do it with the consensus of the UN...the UN isn't founded for nothing....

Olaf

[Jolyon]

I am still stunned that Basecore just said, "even if we take all their oil..."

WTF? What right does America have to Iraq's oil.

P.S. It's IRAQ not IRAG.

[Jacques de Doozu]

Originally posted by O'love:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
you need to watch 20 television channels, read 20 newspapers, read 20 internet-sites and still you don't know shit about the truth....... if you really think you know what's happening out there while you sit here behind your computer you're even more naive than i thought...

you need a reality check... of course the iraqi people want to be free of a dictator like saddam, but at what cost? ask yourself... after the US screwed all the iraqi people over the last time they asked for a revolution the iraqi people are not stupid anymore to fight your economic war..they just hope not to be killed/wounded and get some clean water and food for their families..

Olaf So, tell me what should we do? </font>[/QUOTE]DON'T start bombing a country and killing civilians in the process without a valid reason and thus UN consensus...it's as simple as that..... there are plenty of countries where the people are in the same (or worse) conditions as in iraq, why doesn't the US army go there and act as the policeman of the world? who gives your gouvernment the right to decide who's right and who's wrong, who's evil and who's good? I suspect Bush *really* thinks he's on a mission from God... middle-ages crusades again..... let countries either clean up their own trouble internally, or do it with the consensus of the UN...the UN isn't founded for nothing....

Olaf </font>[/QUOTE]evil vs. good....machiavelli in full effect.

[Basecore Boy]

We spill our blood , we manage the oil!

[mhd]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
We spill our blood , we manage the oil! apply that to slavery in your beloved america

[martino]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
We spill our blood , we manage the oil! graemlins/lol.gif

okay. you really are just taking the piss out of us. i couldn't figure it out if you were just trying to push buttons or you actually believed what you were typing...now i see its a joke.

[O'love]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
We spill our blood , we manage the oil! you mean your fellow US army-people and the iraqi people spill their blood, and Bush and his gouvernment of oil-industry honchos manage the oil of the iraqi's to make more money with... what goes around comes around....don't be surprised when the next terrorist attack will happen because of all the hatred that is created with these kind of modern imperialist actions, and the next country in the world will be invaded by the US army and even more blood will be shed....to earn even more money...

i thought at first the US was going in to Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden, then it was to free the Afgan people, then it was going after Saddam in Iraq because he had weapons of massdestruction and now it's to free the iraqi people.... very dynamic argumentation and all the sheep watching CNN don't even think it's strange that the reason of the invasion in iraq is changing every week..

Olaf

[Basecore Boy]

Ok, they can have the oil. But, I'm sure people here will get cheap oil now and drive to the club on it. Or will they ride a camel.

[O'love]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Ok, they can have the oil. But, I'm sure people here will get cheap oil now and drive to the club on it. Or will they ride a camel. ok it's clear now: basecore boy=troll

[Basecore Boy]

Originally posted by O'love:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Ok, they can have the oil. But, I'm sure people here will get cheap oil now and drive to the club on it. Or will they ride a camel. ok it's clear now: basecore boy=troll </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks. graemlins/acclaim.gif

[O'love]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by O'love:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Ok, they can have the oil. But, I'm sure people here will get cheap oil now and drive to the club on it. Or will they ride a camel. ok it's clear now: basecore boy=troll </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks. graemlins/acclaim.gif </font>[/QUOTE]you're welcome :rolleyes:

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by lola desire:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Trying to send our troops supplies and you want to stop them. Shame Shame Shame

I wish I was there to kick some protest ass. They need supplies. I'm starting to think most protestors don't have much of a life. why do the anti-protestor people always ASS-U-ME that the protestors are for the other side, in this case "saddam sympathizers" or "anti-u.s. troops". what a crock of sh*t.

no war has ever or will ever bring about peace. war will not bring about national security.
war will not make little johnny or suzy feel cozier about going out to play.

this war is making the u.s. look like the the beast that the "enemy" claims it is. every bomb droped fuels the hatred for the u.s.; this situation does not ensure safety or freedom for anyone.

war is so archaic. all nations on this earth need to put the arms down and step away from violence and warfare and step toward seeing about real peace, understanding, and tolerance. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with you in principle, I'm a realist. There has been,since the dawn of humanity, been wars and there will alway be wars. It is at the very heart of mankind to solve political, religious and just about any other conflict in that matter. Wishing there were no more wars is about as useless as wishing for it to rain gold.

[JL]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32233-2003Apr4.html

[KragShot]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
I agree with you in principle, I'm a realist. There has been,since the dawn of humanity, been wars and there will alway be wars. It is at the very heart of mankind to solve political, religious and just about any other conflict in that matter. Wishing there were no more wars is about as useless as wishing for it to rain gold. You're right.

You other people just don't get it.

All of this talk is useless.

No long lasting political agenda on a national/international level has ever been settled without violence.

Conflict is a part of nature.

If you truly want something, you have to be willing to fight for it. Standing there passively and letting somebody harm you or kill you to prove a point only proves one thing; they are more determined to get their way than you are.

Everyone loves and respects a martyr...but there's a catch; you have to be dead to be one.

I disagree with this war...but not for your reasons. First off, this is a tactical nightmare. No country has ever been truly successful fighting a battle on more than two fronts. We should have finished what we started in the 'stan (Afganistan) before we moved into Iraq. Second, I feel that the money spent on this crap could be put to better use elsewhere. Hussein could have been just as easily dealt with by a 5 man team and a high-velocity round to his head.

And regarding the protesters...it's one thing to voice your concerns, and air them in a public forum. That's your God-given right as an American.

But it becomes a problem when your right to protest infringes on my rights.

Like my right to support the troops and wish them well. I heard some bastard on WNUR (NorthWestern University's radio station) chewing out somebody who wanted to just say "God bless the troops and hurry home." He went off for 10 minutes about how dumb the person was and how they were a mindless puppet of the adminstration and voiced other choice insults.

Like my right to be able to get to work or get home from work on time. I had a friend who almost lost his job over that shit here in Chicago last month.

These sons of bitches want to protest something, then let them all 1000 of them stand in front of a crackhouse and chant slogans.

By the way...where were all of those mother****ers when Bush stole the presidency?
That's right. Dubya can go to the hells for all I care. I didn't vote for the dumb son of a bitch.

Yet the same, I didn't see n'ere one of them crowding the streets and making an issue of it. Here they are bitching and moaning about saving the rights of some people across the ocean and African Americans right here in America are being subjected to the tyranny of having their right to vote taken away.

However, I am a former soldier and I have been where these people are at now.

I have fought, my father has fought, his father has fought and so on. I come from a long line of warriors/soldiers and I am proud of that tradition. If I have a son, while I will not force him to go into the military, I will be very proud of him if he does.

You know what my biggest fear is?

All of these "freedom and peace-loving people" will start spitting on soldiers who are coming home from this and calling them baby-killers.

Some of you forgot about that, didn't you? Those soldiers who fought in Viet Nam had a job to do. Yet the same, instead of respecting them for that fact and just letting them return home in peace, they had to sit at the airports, protesting, spitting and calling them names.

The way that these people are acting right now, I'm afraid that we'll see that shit happen again.

I have friends over there. When they get home, I plan on taking them out for beer and showing them that I'm glad that they are home.

There are a lot of things wrong in this world that need attention.

These people need to check themselves and get their directives straight.

KragShot

[lyot]

conflict is part of nature, war isn't .. You are wrong if you think war is inevitable.

[KragShot]

Originally posted by lyot:
conflict is part of nature, war isn't .. You are wrong if you think war is inevitable. I don't like it either, but just because we don't doesn't make not so.

There is one simple reason that it is; the same reason that many things continue...because it works.

Because humanity in its infinite wisdom has not and will not find an alternative.

History has proven me right since the dawn of man.

War began when the first two cavemen began to fight over a piece of mammoth meat.

If two people will fight, then 2 million people will fight.

The only point of contention is determining what will they fight for.

There are riots in the news all the time. Gang fights and small brush wars across the world.

There will always be people who believe that the only sure way to get what they want is to use force.

And there will be people who will believe that the only way to stop the first group of people is to also use force.

Finally, there will be a group of people who will believe that they can stop the first group of people without using force in any way.

For labeling's sake, we'll call these people victims (also known as the conquered).

I can tell you one way that war within humanity will stop.

When something bigger and badder shows up and forces us to band together to fight it.

Convince me that I'm wrong by going out there and making it happen.

Please.

If you have a true solution to world peace, then tell it to the world...and there will be hundreds of thousands of people who will tell you why it won't work...if for no other reason than the fact that they don't want it to work.

And then how will you convince them otherwise?

Without coming up with a way to alter human nature, we will always be plagued with the spectre of war.

KragShot

[ April 08, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: KragShot ]

[2121]

Originally posted by lola desire:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
why do the anti-protestor people always ASS-U-ME that the protestors are for the other side, in this case "saddam sympathizers" or "anti-u.s. troops".
</font>[/QUOTE]Because they're stupid, like the majority of Americans (and Canadians).

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Good, Phuck Protesters

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[ April 09, 2003, 01:56 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[vinny from the Burgh]

I know this is a simple solution, but JUST VOTE. Get that jackass out of office. VOTE VOTE VOTE. If there is anyone in Florida VOTE. Pennsylvania VOTE. As for the oil, Iraqi people burn the fields so we cant have it. Teach them a lesson burn the fields.

[mdpm99]

I miss America.......

What could be more criminal than to loot the U.S. Treasury to conduct a blood-for-oil feud, then pass the cost on to generations unborn?

What could be more telling about this Little Caesar in the White House that, even as he needlessly puts our brave, dutiful soldiers in harm's way, he is cutting the benefits to veterans of previous wars?

Even Tricky Dick aka Richard Nixon looks good to me now. Hey, those were the days when America stood up to their government!


Ps.


ASOPAO THE CAMARONES

(Shrimp asopao)

24 medium shrimp, peeled and deveined
3 tablespoons olive oil
4 garlic cloves, minced
2 teaspoons lime juice
1/2 cup chopped yellow onion
1 teaspoon paprika
1/4 teaspoon saffron
2 tomatoes, chopped
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1 green bell pepper, chopped
1 teaspoon cayenne
1 teaspoon kosher salt
1/2 teaspoon cumin
1/3 cup dry sherry
8 cups shellfish stock
1 1/2 cups white rice
2 tablespoon freshy chopped cilantro

In a Dutch oven or other large stew pot place all ingredients except the cilantro, sherry, rice and shellfish stock. Saute the ingredients until the shimp begin to turn pink. Add the sherry, saute briefly, then add shellfish stock and rice and stir. Lower heat to low, partially cover, and cook for about twenty minutes. Serve hot garnished with cilantro.

[ April 09, 2003, 01:30 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by daniel:
Pow!
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030407/capt.1049738719.war_iraq_us_protests_caps105.jpg yeah ol bush is really protecting our freedoms here graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by Basecore Boy:
Trying to send our troops supplies and you want to stop them. Shame Shame Shame

I wish I was there to kick some protest ass. They need supplies. I'm starting to think most protestors don't have much of a life. your full of shit!
D u K e

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Good, Phuck Protesters

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[lyot]

Originally posted by KragShot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
conflict is part of nature, war isn't .. You are wrong if you think war is inevitable. I don't like it either, but just because we don't doesn't make not so.

There is one simple reason that it is; the same reason that many things continue...because it works.

Because humanity in its infinite wisdom has not and will not find an alternative.

History has proven me right since the dawn of man.

War began when the first two cavemen began to fight over a piece of mammoth meat.

If two people will fight, then 2 million people will fight.

The only point of contention is determining what will they fight for.

There are riots in the news all the time. Gang fights and small brush wars across the world.

There will always be people who believe that the only sure way to get what they want is to use force.

And there will be people who will believe that the only way to stop the first group of people is to also use force.

Finally, there will be a group of people who will believe that they can stop the first group of people without using force in any way.

For labeling's sake, we'll call these people victims (also known as the conquered).

I can tell you one way that war within humanity will stop.

When something bigger and badder shows up and forces us to band together to fight it.

Convince me that I'm wrong by going out there and making it happen.

Please.

If you have a true solution to world peace, then tell it to the world...and there will be hundreds of thousands of people who will tell you why it won't work...if for no other reason than the fact that they don't want it to work.

And then how will you convince them otherwise?

Without coming up with a way to alter human nature, we will always be plagued with the spectre of war.

KragShot </font>[/QUOTE]One apt definition of war is this: war is an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict between political communities. Thus, a fisticuffs between individual persons does not count as a war, nor does a gang fight, nor does a feud on the order of the Hatfields versus the McCoys. War is a phenomenon which occurs only between political communities, defined as those entities which either are states or intend to become states (in order to allow for civil war). Similarly, the mere threat of war and the presence of mutual disdain between these communities do not suffice as indicators of war. The conflict of arms must be actual and not merely latent. Further, the actual armed conflict must be both intentional and widespread: isolated clashes between rogue officers, or border patrols, do not count as actions of war. The onset of war requires a conscious commitment, and a significant mobilization, on the part of the belligerent communities in question.

Don't think war is inevitable because conflict is a part of human nature.. Remember, not one democracy ever fought a war against another democracy.. Think about it !

[U]

Originally posted by O'love:
provision to do what? let me tell you, this will be another "osama" action.... they won't kill or capture Saddam, and i will not even be surprised if they won't even find any weapons of massdestruction....but noeone seems to care anymore it seems what the official reasons where to invade Iraq with UN support.... it's so easy to fool all the sheep with CNN, fox etc. with who do you think all those hospitals in iraq are filled? not with military people i can tell you.... but with "liberated" iraqi civilians..."liberated" from their legs, children, arms, family members......

Olaf can you hear the bleating all the way over there?

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by vinny from the Burgh:
I know this is a simple solution, but JUST VOTE. Get that jackass out of office. VOTE VOTE VOTE. If there is anyone in Florida VOTE. Pennsylvania VOTE. As for the oil, Iraqi people burn the fields so we cant have it. Teach them a lesson burn the fields. Voting isn't going to change much. Our votes didn't matter in 2000. Gore won by over 300,000 votes remeber.

[vinny from the Burgh]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by vinny from the Burgh:
I know this is a simple solution, but JUST VOTE. Get that jackass out of office. VOTE VOTE VOTE. If there is anyone in Florida VOTE. Pennsylvania VOTE. As for the oil, Iraqi people burn the fields so we cant have it. Teach them a lesson burn the fields. Voting isn't going to change much. Our votes didn't matter in 2000. Gore won by over 300,000 votes remeber. </font>[/QUOTE]yeah but the fool lost his home state. he would have wone but lost tennessee, and lost arkansas. voting does help. anyhow how do we even know he would have been the best candidate??? if you vote you have more choices of candidates. look at nader he almost got 5% if he gets 5% then he gets federal money for his party.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Good, Phuck Protesters

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Come on and sing it with me}

Protesters got they ass wooped,
Protesters got they ass wooped,

They assembled and start talking trash-
Then the Police Got That Ass*
I Watched it all on CNN-
As a buddy & I had a beer*
It made military people grin-
F-ck em - They aint my friend!!

Protesters got they ass wooped,
Protesters got they ass wooped,

Protesters got they ass wooped,
Protesters got they ass wooped,

[dVine]

Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Good, Phuck Protesters

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[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Originally posted by dVine:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY:
Good, Phuck Protesters

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LURKING ABOUT </font>[/QUOTE]post of the year </font>[/QUOTE]Nan, it don't deserve that much credit. Besides that, Negro is black in color, I am more on the yellow side. Calling me a House Bananna or oreo would have been more fitting.
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