I may get banned for this but i have to say it

[kaaos]

I haven't heard a larry levan mix that i liked

there i said it

['Magic' Juan]

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[JMJ]

Haen't??

BAN HIM!!......JMJ :madani:

[ngeso]

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[kaaos]

Haen't??

BAN HIM!!......JMJ :madani:

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[BHouse]

Haen't??

BAN HIM!!......JMJ :madani:

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['Magic' Juan]

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[Armento]

I haven't heard a larry levan mix that i liked

there i said it
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[Ernest Fountain]

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thanks bhouse.

"clean up on ernest's desk..." (after spitting out my water)

[Vinyl Deficit]

That's alright kaaos. There's a bunch of that stuff I don't dig. I think it mostly has to do with I'm expecting what I would consider dance music. A lot of those mixes are just some cool tunes. Just not what I'm looking for when I wanna hear a mix.

[kaaos]

That's alright kaaos. There's a bunch of that stuff I don't dig. I think it mostly has to do with I'm expecting what I would consider dance music. A lot of those mixes are just some cool tunes. Just not what I'm looking for when I wanna hear a mix.


Truth be told i've only sampled 4-5 mixes. i dont hate them just dont like them.

[Rasmir Mantree]

You've had to been there, to understand it.

[Armento]

That's alright kaaos. There's a bunch of that stuff I don't dig. I think it mostly has to do with I'm expecting what I would consider dance music. A lot of those mixes are just some cool tunes. Just not what I'm looking for when I wanna hear a mix.
Larry Levan played DANCE music :wink:

[kaaos]

Larry Levan played DANCE music :wink:

dance is pretty broad. flamenco is dance.

[Armento]

dance is pretty broad. flamenco is dance.
yeah i know... and it's great

[Bill Blake]

Believe it or not...this has been understood, like years ago man. Sowy all.

[Vinyl Deficit]

Larry Levan played DANCE music :wink:
That's why I covered my butt and said "what I consider" :biggrin:

Also, I agree with Rasmir...it was what was hot back then and I wasn't there to experience the vibe. I have no connection with it.

[Sal Paradise]

That's why I covered my butt and said "what I consider" :biggrin:

Also, I agree with Rasmir...it was what was hot back then and I wasn't there to experience the vibe. I have no connection with it.

this is no prerequisite. I wan't there, and I most definatley connect with it. To each there own.

[AK]

It should be noted that Larry wasn't known to be the world's greatest "blender," and that his greatness was much more about selections, timing, mood, environment, etc., from what I understand. So, if you're looking for technical expertise in the sense of tight blends, etc., it is understandable that you might not be impressed with his mixes--particularly the live ones.

[GrantB]

Larrys remixes on record are what I connect with. He was great for this reason all by itself.

[Sal Paradise]

Larrys remixes on record are what I connect with. He was great for this reason all by itself.

I thought that was what's being discussed

[Tee Cee 13]

I haven't heard a larry levan mix that i liked

there i said it

I'm hoping that you are joking about this, You have not heard the remix of Every Way But Loose now that's some JAM........Tee Cee 13

[AK]

I assumed he was talking about DJ mixes, not remix/production work?

[GrantB]

I thought that was what's being discussed
Nah, talking about DJ sessions

[Tee Cee 13]

I wonder what he's talkin 'bout, He should get to the point.....Tee Cee 13

[The White Shadow]

You've had to been there, to understand it.

I wasn't there but I love hearing tapes of Levan spin cause it's great music, and gives a feeling of what it was like being there..not a proper substitute I know but still a good one that definitely gets the mind going back to what it might have been like partying at the Garage. Never heard an even near perfect blend by him, but then he (and it) was never about perfection that much.

Now if it's his remixes that's being talked about I can't understand how people (if you're into House and Dance music at all) can not do anything but love most of his production work.

[Free Russell]

The mixes available and on CD aren't necessarily representative of him or of other DJs.

Had to be there in that context keeping in mind also that the music played then was new, not 25-30 years old.

[FK]

I haven't heard a larry levan mix that i liked
there i said it

Guess I must count myself among the lucky ones who have heard plenty, which forever radically altered my outlook on things ever since.


There's a bunch of that stuff I don't dig. I think it mostly has to do with I'm expecting what I would consider dance music. A lot of those mixes are just some cool tunes. Just not what I'm looking for when I wanna hear a mix.

Oh I wouldn't worry about that one too much, but on Larry's behalf, (who I've always felt a special 'trainwrecking kinship' with, but usually don't go around clamoring it on rooftops) I would like to point out that if he was still around, there is a distinct possibility that he just might have felt the exact same way about your DJ mixes, although probably for very different reasons.

Of course I am quite conscious that it is privilege to have been there so many times to hear him play pretty mind-blowing sets that sadly - if they were recorded - got lost, or are to this day kept under wraps by whoever's got them.... and also, it's very possible that my foggy memories are just that, and seeing two thousand people having collective conniptions to these was all just a vast illusion.

Anyway, surely not everyone has to like everything, variety is the spice of life, PLUR, batteries not included, ymmv™ and all that, but there is an interesting and recurring conversation I have been having with someone else, who is dead set against having his DJ sets recorded, as that person seems to feel that it violates something magical that only happened at that moment, really cannot be captured and when taken out of its context, cheapens the whole thing. That's another topic, really....

Let me add to it: There are so many 'made-for-radio' mixes from back in the day which I feel are a completely different animal, they sound pretty boring and linear to me, the mixes are so perfect, but without any of the fierce drama I always came to associate with playing live. Not like that Ron Hardy cassette (live recording with audience) I heard, and which made me see the Holy Ghost™!

Anyway, the nutshell of it is that it is very sad indeed how few of those recordings have survived, and possibly eminently interesting to see how a new generation rebels against its progenitors, which seems to be an integral part of what causes the cycle of life and renewal.

FK

[kaaos]

I'm hoping that you are joking about this, You have not heard the remix of Every Way But Loose now that's some JAM........Tee Cee 13


love the remixes just not his mix sets

[mhd]

...eminently interesting to see how a new generation rebels against its progenitors, which seems to be an integral part of what causes the cycle of life and renewal.

FK

wisdom, just to add, it may be hard to believe, but, larry, et al, were in the process of inventing the artform and hardly focused on "blends" as he was blowing our collective minds every weekend - for years - oh the ecstasy...

[NakedAge]

I havent heard many, but from what I have heard, I can't say it's impressed me and made me go 'wow'... How ever, I understand that back then, that was like, what was in. It was all new then, technology was different, boundries were different, people were different. So there has been alot of progress since then and standards have changed etc. Thats not to say the mixes are bad, but, for todays standards I think (atleast from where I am in the world) like if you played a larry levan mix to a bunch of 19 year olds who are trying to be house elite... And told them it was Larry. They would love it... But if you didn't, they'd say it was shit, because we compare things to what we know, and to a bare minimum standard. That standard is set from the first thing we hear until something sets a new standard, so to those of us born AFTER the Larry era, the music and mixes we'd of heard so forth would of been clearer and mixed different (on beat etc) because of the technology available to those doing it at the time, but because its what we're first exposed to, its OUR standard... Thus, when we hear a Larry mix we're like "wow thats horrible" because the music is made on older technology etc, where as at the time, it would of been great.

Personally I look at it as educational, and whilst its not something I can get jiggy to and go off to, it is important for me as a Dj and producer etc, to learn where it all came from and respect it, if only to be exposed to more elements to incorporate them into my own work today. Thus Larry is still an inspiration to me.

But, I still think, ok like... Today everyone Djs on Cd... Even I do for alot of the gigs I do because its just simpler and less hassle, tho when I have a club gig I use vinyl. Anyways point is, alot of New Djs today can't play vinyl, and, don't even know who Larry Levan is. ... Yet they go out and play 'House Music' ... I find it insulting to the music. Its like, Ok Larrys Mixes and music might not be your cup of tea, but, you NEED to respect it, because if it wasn't for that music, the music you know love and play TODAY, wouldn't be around.... The technology wouldn't of evolved, and it wouldn't become accessable to a point that alot of todays Djs can reach.. Because with vinyl, it costs alot of money... So, if you wanted to be a Dj then (there $20 each here), like, you had to be prepaired to work HARD. like VERY hard... Not alot of Djs do that anymore cos, they know Djing is something that anyone can do now. .. .... .... Djs today, are like priests who don't know who Jesus was.

[David Meza]

I think the whole Larry thing is right up there with folk music, Grateful Dead, math jokes, musicals, Bob Dylan, Ween, or any number of esoteric things that you either love, or don't understand. You have to have been there, and fully into the feeling at the time to really "get" it. I've met people who went to The Garage and never liked it, but were blown away when they heard Tee Scott play. Other folks think Larry was "it" and had their own lives take new direction as a result.

Personally I feel dance music is much bigger than Larry, Ron, you, me, him, or her, and would have taken its own course with or without them. There's certainly been key moments that have shaped what we know to be the common body of what we call "house." I think it's important to understand and appreciate those who have helped forge house, so long as you wish to participate in this body. Nobody said you have to like anyone who's made it happen, cause I sure as shit don't like them all.

[NakedAge]

i think if Larry Levan had access to the technology nd music that half of todays Djs do, he'd put them all to shame.

[Bassmental]

but there is an interesting and recurring conversation I have been having with someone else, who is dead set against having his DJ sets recorded,
FK

Danny Tenaglia..?

I took to the decks around 2001.. and i have dug into alot of history of dance music and way beyond that to the 60's funk. Done alot of reading on chi-house and N.Y culture like the Loft and the Garage. It has been important to me to do this as i can get a deeper understanding of how it was and what it was all about. I see today these newbee jocks that doesn't have a clue who Ron Hardy was for example? What???

History seems to fade away and i believe many of the legends will be forgotten in some 10 years time.
And people just take their music for granted.

[NakedAge]

Yeah but man, from what I read in that article hissy fit of Danny Tenaglia about the club in Italy I think, he comes across as just a whinging fucken sook who thinks he's worth more than he actually is.

I spoke to a number of people about it as it was all over the internet on various forums, alot of people said "Danny Tenaglia isn't that shit hot"

I think when you have people saying that about you, you needa put more effort into what you do. I think he's just settled for a standard for himself, thus he cracks the shits when he's recorded because he doesn't want anyone to hear him with out paying. Honestly, I wouldn't pay for a Danny Tenaglia mix. I wouldn't even pay to go see him live. .. If he invited me personally to go see him, and offered me VIP and shit, then I'd have to say
"I'll have to see, I think I have a gig of my own on that night"

Whats sad is, I don't think Danny Tenaglia will be remembered. In everything artistic, you get those who want to make it here and now, and live prosperous from their art, but you get others who understand they might never get that wealth and fame, but know they have to put the effort in becaise when theyre gone, whether they're recognised for their talent or not atleast they can die knowing they put effort into making their art for what ever change they want to make to the world, or what ever message they want to portray etc. Thing is, they only way they're recognised is because of the traces of history they leave. There might be a million shit Djs recording setts, but when history finds those shit setts, that will be the standard that history looks to as a reference for TODAYS standard... Which is why, I think if Danny Tenaglia is so great, he should be recording his mixes so that the future can look to it to better from it, just like some of us look to Larry Levans mixes today as a starting point, a starting standard to evolve from.

[kev]

i think if Larry Levan had access to the technology nd music that half of todays Djs do, he'd put them all to shame.

shit, even without it he still does it

that's says alot

[NakedAge]

i wouldnt know. I don't think Ive heard enough larry mixes to compare to.

But with training, anyone can mix 2 ends together. They even have schools now to teach you how to do it.. I still think the best Djs are self taught... Out of curiosity.. How did Larry learn to mix?

[kev]

but it's not the fact that he could mix records continuously.

it was the shit he played and HOW he played it that makes him so fucking cool in my eyes

[Grey Marl]

its a bit rediculous putting the guys few available mixes up against today's culture of absurd amounts of online mixes and commercially available mix cds

[NakedAge]

I agree. It's like, putting a soldier with a gun, against a night with a lance. The bullet will kill the knight before he reaches the soldier with the gun... How ever, give the soldier a sword and make them go hand to hand, the knight would probably win. .. Thats how I see it as far as Vinyl Vs Cd, Larry Vs Modern Djs etc.

I think every Dj has their place. Some are in clubs, some in bedrooms, others in history. Whats important is that with out any or either, the whole system would collapse