View Full Version : "Why are Black Women Scaring off their Men?
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:00 PM
A Fighting Spirit Is Important-but Not at Home"
HAVE YOU met this woman? She has a good job, works hard, earns a good salary.
She went to college, got her master's degree; she is intelligent. She is
personable, articulate, well-read, interested in everybody and everything.
Yet, she's single. Or maybe you know this one. Active in the church. Faithful,
committed. Sings in the choir, serves on the usher board, attends every committee
meeting. Loves the Lord and knows the Word. You'd think that with her command
of the Scriptures and the respect of her church members, she'd have a marriage
as solid as a rock. But again, no husband.
Or perhaps you recognize the community activist. She's a black lady-or as she
prefers, an African American woman-on the move. She sports a short natural,
sometimes cornrow braids, or even dredlocks.
She's an organizer, a motivator, a dynamo. Her work for her people Speaks for
itself-organizing women for a self-help collective, raising funds for a
community cause, educating others around a new issue in South Africa. Black
folks look up to her, and white folks know she's a force to be reckoned with.
Yet once again, the men leave her alone.
What do these women have in common? They have so much; what is it they lack?
Why is it they may be able to hook a man but can't hold him?
The women puzzle over this quandary themselves. They gather at professional
clubs, at sorority meetings or over coffee at the office and wonder what's
wrong with black men. They hold special prayer vigils and fast and pray and
beg Jesus to send the men back to church. They find the brothers attending
political strategizing sessions or participating in protests, but when it comes
time to go home, the brothers go home to someone else.
I know these women because I am all of these women. And after asking over and
over again "What's wrong with these men?", it finally dawned on me to ask the
question, "What's wrong with us women?" What I have found, and what many of
these women have yet to discover, is that the skills that make one successful
in the church, community or workplace are not the skills that make one
successful in a relationship.
Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct action assist one
in getting assignments done, in organizing church or club activities or in
positioning oneself for a raise. But relationship-building requires different
skills. It requires making decisions that not only gratify you, but satisfy
others.
It means doing things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal,
and sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place.
Maintaining a harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the
straight line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield
to win. In too many cases, when dealing with men, you will have to sacrifice
being right in order to enjoy being loved.
Being acknowledged as the head of the household is an especially important
thing for many black men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged
everywhere else.
Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so committed to the
cause, to the church, to career-or their narrow concepts of same-that their
entire personalities project an "I don't need a man" message. So they end up
without one. An interested man may be attracted but he soon discovers that
this sister makes very little space for him in her life.
Going to graduate school is a good goal and an option that previous generations
of blacks have not had. But sometimes the achieving woman will place her
boyfriend so low on her list of priorities that his interest wanes.
Between work, school and homework, she's seldom "there" for him, for the
preliminaries that might develop a commitment to a woman. She's too busy to
prepare him a home-cooked meal or to be a listening ear for his concerns
because she is so occupied with her own. Soon he uses her only for
uncommitted sex since-to him-she appears unavailable for anything else.
Blind to the part she's playing in the problem, she ends up thinking, "Men only
want one thing." And she decides she's better off with the degree than the
friendship. When she's 45, she may wish she'd set different priorities while
she was younger. It's not just the busy career girl who can't see the forest
for the trees.
A couple I know were having marital troubles. During one argument, the husband
confronted the wife and asked what she thought they should do about the
marriage, what direction they should take. She reached for her Bible and turned
to Ephesians. "I know what Paul says and I know what Jesus says about marriage,"
he told her. "What do you say about our marriage?"
Dumbfounded, she could not say anything. Like so many of us, she could recite
the Scriptures but could not apply them to everyday living. Before the year was
out, the husband had filed for divorce.
Women who focus on civil rights or community activism have vigorous, fighting
spirits and are prepared to do whatever, whenever, to benefit black people.
That's good. That's necessary. But it needs to be kept in perspective.
It's too easy to save the world and lose your man. A fighting spirit is
important on the battlefield, but a gentler spirit is wanted on the homefront.
Too many women are winning the battle and losing the home. Sometimes in our
determined efforts to be strong believers and hard workers, we contemporary
women downplay, denigrate or simply forget our more traditional feminine
attributes. Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not
the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men enjoy
our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender side, a side
they dare not show to other men.
A hard-working woman is good to have on your committee. But when a man goes
home, he'd prefer a loving partner to a hard worker. It's not an easy
transition for the modern black woman to make. It sounds submissive,
reactionary, outmoded, oppressive. We have fought so hard for so many things,
and rightfully so. We have known so many men who were shaky, jive and
untrustworthy. Yet we must admit that we are shaky, jive and willful in our own
ways.
Not having a husband allows us to do whatever we want, when and how we want to
do it. Having one means we have to share the power and certain points will have
to be surrendered. We are terrified of marriage and commitment-yet dread the
prospect of being single and alone. Throwing ourselves into work seems to fill
the void without posing a threat. But like any other drug, the escape eventually
becomes the cage.
To make the break, we need to do less and "be" more. I am learning to "be still
and know," to be trusting. I am learning to stop competing with black men and
to collaborate with them, to temper my assertive and aggressive energy with
softness and serenity. I'm not preaching a philosophy of "women should be seen
and not heard." But I have come to realize that I-and many of my smart and
independent sisters-are out of touch with our feminine center and therefore out
of touch with our men.
About a year ago, I was at an oldies-but-goodies club. As a native
Washingtonian, I love to do the bop and to hand-dance-styles that were popular
when I was a teen. In those dances, the man has his set of steps and the woman
has hers, but the couple is still two partners and must move together. On this
evening, I was sitting out a record when a thought came to me. If a man were to
say, "I'm going to be in charge and you're going to follow. I want you to
adjust your ways to fit in with mine"-I'd dismiss him as a Neanderthal.
With my hand on my hip, I'd tell him that I have just as much sense as he does
and that he can't tell me what to do. Yet, on the dance floor, I love following
a man's lead. I don't feel inferior because my part is different from his, and
I don't feel I have to prove that I'm just as able to lead as he is. I simply
allow him to take my hand, and I go with the flow.
I am still single. I am over 30 and scared. I am still a member of my church,
have no plans to quit my good government job and will continue to do what I can
for my people. I think that I have a healthy relationship with a good man. But
today, I know that I have to bring some of that spirit of the dance into my
relationship. Dancing solo-I've mastered that. Now I'm learning how to accept
his lead, and to go with the flow.
Joy Jones is an administrator with D.C. public schools.
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Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:07 PM
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Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-22-2003, 04:08 PM
Very interesting and good. It actually took alot of years to break out of the mold. I've learn that you can be all that you can be and still be humble. My grandma told me that "you can still have the man and make him think he is in control by not moouthing off all the time, reminding him of how much of a man he's not. That is not necessary, no one made us the authority of what a good man is. All of us have our problems so we need to correct ourselves more than correcting others. We will attract what and who we are. Most no-good men won't want you if you are on your p's and q's anyway."
I agree, you can still be a strong, confident woman and still have a strong man instead of trying to change who he is when you get him. If we spent more time looking into ourselves we will spend less time being in bad relationships or being alone.
[ August 22, 2003, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: DiscoLady ]
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
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richierich
08-22-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
Very interesting and good. It actually took alot of years to break out of the mold. I've learn that you can be all that you can be and still be humble. My grandma told me that "you can still have the man and make him think he is in control by not moouthing off all the time, reminding him of how much of a man he's not. That is not necessary, no one made us the authority of what a good man is. All of us have our problems so we need to correct ourselves more than correcting others. We will attract what and who we are. Most no-good men won't want you if you are on your p's and q's anyway."
I agree, you can still be a strong, confident woman and still have a strong man instead of trying to change who he is when you get him. If we spent more time looking into ourselves we will spend less time being in bad relationships or being alone. I wish you would tell my ex-girlfriend that.
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype?
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? Who's mouthing off? let me at em... graemlins/spanka.gif biggrinangel.gif
Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? Stop mouthing off.....JMJ graemlins/remybussi.gif
Discogoddess
08-22-2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them?
Sharp Eye Washington
08-22-2003, 04:17 PM
Good post Ronnie Ron.
Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]shadup already
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED!
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif
Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]Could we possibly have been thinking anymore alike as we were posting? I just posted and saw your response. Heh, heh .. ;)
[ August 22, 2003, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]shadup already </font>[/QUOTE]Why your royal dickson-ness (Insert curtsey here) ... how may I humbly supress my response in order to cater to your ego? biggrinangel.gif icon_rofl.gif
Sharp Eye Washington
08-22-2003, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
Very interesting and good. It actually took alot of years to break out of the mold. I've learn that you can be all that you can be and still be humble. My grandma told me that "you can still have the man and make him think he is in control by not moouthing off all the time, reminding him of how much of a man he's not. That is not necessary, no one made us the authority of what a good man is. All of us have our problems so we need to correct ourselves more than correcting others. We will attract what and who we are. Most no-good men won't want you if you are on your p's and q's anyway."
I agree, you can still be a strong, confident woman and still have a strong man instead of trying to change who he is when you get him. If we spent more time looking into ourselves we will spend less time being in bad relationships or being alone. I love you! graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Aw shucks ... that works so much better than a bitch slap. icon_rofl.gif
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Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]shadup already </font>[/QUOTE]Why your royal dickson-ness (Insert curtsey here) ... how may I humbly supress my response in order to cater to your ego? biggrinangel.gif icon_rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]hahaha!! touche!
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
Very interesting and good. It actually took alot of years to break out of the mold. I've learn that you can be all that you can be and still be humble. My grandma told me that "you can still have the man and make him think he is in control by not moouthing off all the time, reminding him of how much of a man he's not. That is not necessary, no one made us the authority of what a good man is. All of us have our problems so we need to correct ourselves more than correcting others. We will attract what and who we are. Most no-good men won't want you if you are on your p's and q's anyway."
I agree, you can still be a strong, confident woman and still have a strong man instead of trying to change who he is when you get him. If we spent more time looking into ourselves we will spend less time being in bad relationships or being alone. I love you! graemlins/thumbsup.gif </font>[/QUOTE]icon_rofl.gif Me Too!!! http://deephousepage.com/smilies/thumb.gif
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]shadup already </font>[/QUOTE]Why your royal dickson-ness (Insert curtsey here) ... how may I humbly supress my response in order to cater to your ego? biggrinangel.gif icon_rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]hahaha!! touche! </font>[/QUOTE]Being "pushed" has it's advantages. ;)
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Aw shucks ... that works so much better than a bitch slap. icon_rofl.gif
graemlins/remybussi.gif graemlins/bighug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]properly administered by a trained professional, the aforementioned bitch slap can be very effective
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Aw shucks ... that works so much better than a bitch slap. icon_rofl.gif
graemlins/remybussi.gif graemlins/bighug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]properly administered by a trained professional, the aforementioned bitch slap can be very effective </font>[/QUOTE]As long as whips and stilettos are part of that scenario .. I don't see why not.
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Aw shucks ... that works so much better than a bitch slap. icon_rofl.gif
graemlins/remybussi.gif graemlins/bighug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]properly administered by a trained professional, the aforementioned bitch slap can be very effective </font>[/QUOTE]As long as whips and stilettos are part of that scenario .. I don't see why not. </font>[/QUOTE]Yall done hi-jacked my thread and put it on the FREAKY TRAIN!!!!! graemlins/tongueout.gif :D
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Aw shucks ... that works so much better than a bitch slap. icon_rofl.gif
graemlins/remybussi.gif graemlins/bighug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]properly administered by a trained professional, the aforementioned bitch slap can be very effective </font>[/QUOTE]As long as whips and stilettos are part of that scenario .. I don't see why not. </font>[/QUOTE]Hello......JMJ smile.gif
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-22-2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]No the "mouthing off" has nothing to do with being less of a person. You stand more ground by being quiet sometimes. All battles cannot be fought with us always talking. I learned that from Corporate America, Taking Notes and listening can win more battles than always speaking your mind. I've met more snakes in the office that hardly said a word, the ones that did alot of talking were the ones always barking. The more someone knows what is on your mind the more they know how to push your buttons and keep you up at arms. Yes, I hate to even admit it, we as black women have a tendency of talking too much and not listening to people that we think that know less than ourselves (mainly men that don't have as much as we have) OR always having to prove something by speaking of how much we know. This is how I percieve myself, I've learned to be humble and know when to speak and when to hold my peace. Don't get me wrong, I can still hold my ground ;)
I keep this proverb in mind: He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace. Prov 11:12
SHEIK YERBOUTI
08-22-2003, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
It seems to imply that Black women are subordinates and therefore by mouthing off we're stepping out "our place." **** that stereotype! graemlins/cussing.gif
-There are people with attitudes, there are women that speak harshly to their men but this dramatic faux epidemic that has befallen only Black women is TIRED, TIRED, TIRED! You need a HUG, get ova here.. graemlins/bighug.gif graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Aw shucks ... that works so much better than a bitch slap. icon_rofl.gif
graemlins/remybussi.gif graemlins/bighug.gif </font>[/QUOTE]properly administered by a trained professional, the aforementioned bitch slap can be very effective </font>[/QUOTE]As long as whips and stilettos are part of that scenario .. I don't see why not. </font>[/QUOTE]Yall done hi-jacked my thread and put it on the FREAKY TRAIN!!!!! graemlins/tongueout.gif :D </font>[/QUOTE]It IS friday...
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]No the "mouthing off" has nothing to do with being less of a person. You stand more ground by being quiet sometimes. All battles cannot be fought with us always talking. I learned that from Corporate America, Taking Notes and listening can win more battles than always speaking your mind. I've met more snakes in the office that hardly said a word, the ones that did alot of talking were the ones always barking. The more someone knows what is on your mind the more they know how to push your buttons and keep you up at arms. Yes, I hate to even admit it, we as black women have a tendency of talking too much and not listening to people that we think that know less than ourselves (mainly men that don't have as much as we have) OR always having to prove something by speaking of how much we know. This is how I percieve myself, I've learned to be humble and know when to speak and when to hold my peace. Don't get me wrong, I can still hold my ground ;)
I keep this proverb in mind: He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace. Prov 11:12 </font>[/QUOTE]One word. Damn!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Discogoddess:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? I feel you. "Mouthing off" is something a child or someone in a subordinate position does toward someone in a dominant/higher position. That whole term implies that black women have a place lower than others, particularly black men. I am no one's lesser/subordinate, so how can I be "sassing" or "mouthing off" to them? </font>[/QUOTE]No the "mouthing off" has nothing to do with being less of a person. You stand more ground by being quiet sometimes. All battles cannot be fought with us always talking. I learned that from Corporate America, Taking Notes and listening can win more battles than always speaking your mind. I've met more snakes in the office that hardly said a word, the ones that did alot of talking were the ones always barking. The more someone knows what is on your mind the more they know how to push your buttons and keep you up at arms. Yes, I hate to even admit it, we as black women have a tendency of talking too much and not listening to people that we think that know less than ourselves (mainly men that don't have as much as we have) OR always having to prove something by speaking of how much we know. This is how I percieve myself, I've learned to be humble and know when to speak and when to hold my peace. Don't get me wrong, I can still hold my ground ;)
I keep this proverb in mind: He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace. Prov 11:12 </font>[/QUOTE]I don't think we were interpreting it as a not knowing when to be silent issue. More of a "I'm not beneath you" so why use language that implies subordination to describe our reactions? If people are regarding each other as equals to begin with, I don't think "mouthing off" (and any variation of the meaning) would ever come up. It's why she used the child adult example. I read you though.
Unless it's a trait genetically traceable to Black women, I'm weary of buying into all the stereotypes I hear about Black women. Perhaps I've encountered more Black women who have yelled at me blah, blah, blah ... I still don't buy it as something Black woman have cornered the market on.
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Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 05:11 PM
Im not real sure about the attitudes of the Black Woman, i run into some nice ones and some with Shitty attitudes. but im thinking that i have run into White women with Shitty attitudes as well. What concerns me is More and More black women are becoming college educated and More and More Black men arent. this is creating an Imbalance and seperating the two in a major way. Most women when they acheive a certain status they aint trying to deal with a man that is "so called" Beneath them. The question is what is to be done about the Phenomenon (Sp)
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 05:14 PM
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves
[ August 22, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus,
My question to you is, do you think this could be because Most(Not all) White women have had a life of leasure and somewhat a life of luxury making them a bit more at ease with them selves,
And many black women have had to scrape and scratch for anything they have acheived leaving them little time to enjoy what it is that they have achieved?
just a question
R-R
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Or so you assume ...
But you care right (?) that's why you keep hammering the point in? Which is what again? You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo? Why do you complain about this phenomenon so much if you're not missing out. Do you care?
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus,
My question to you is, do you think this could be because Most(Not all) White women have had a life of leasure and somewhat a life of luxury making them a bit more at ease with them selves,
And many black women have had to scrape and scratch for anything they have acheived leaving them little time to enjoy what it is that they have achieved?
just a question
R-R </font>[/QUOTE]You're watching too much TV, Ronnie.....JMJ
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Or so you assume ...
But you care right (?) that's why you keep hammering the point in? Which is what again? You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo? Why do you complain about this phenomenon so much if you're not missing out. Do you care? </font>[/QUOTE]its much more interesting that i put out my factual experience as a working promoter and it gets your blood up
its much more interesting that i state i don't care what color the skin is as long as the pussy is pink ( ok tight is also nice)
but of course you could be right - my stylo (as it were) on the club scene is usually that of a well dressed obviously well off intelligent and working brother, not fine and not foul - i can see how that can be a turn off
my point...since it zoomed over your head, was that i have options and am availing myself of them..if that enrages you..thats your problem
finally i did not complain at all - i relayed my personal anecdotal experience - but if it helps you t come to grips with YOUR demons then i guess you can file my statement as a complaint
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus,
My question to you is, do you think this could be because Most(Not all) White women have had a life of leasure and somewhat a life of luxury making them a bit more at ease with them selves,
And many black women have had to scrape and scratch for anything they have acheived leaving them little time to enjoy what it is that they have achieved?
just a question
R-R </font>[/QUOTE]In want of better understanding I ask this ... Of what significance is the racial assignment to this "mouthing off" syndrome? How did it come about does anyone know? I've had the "oh no you're mouthing off again" glares and gentle arm tugs from friends, all races. Whenever I've asked why when I mouth off it's worse, all I get is that guilty of believing the unexplained but generally accepted stereotype stare.
So I'm mad, when I'm mad ... I could just have a temper. How does my being a Black woman affect this again - as opposed to other races?
graemlins/conf44.gif
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus,
My question to you is, do you think this could be because Most(Not all) White women have had a life of leasure and somewhat a life of luxury making them a bit more at ease with them selves,
And many black women have had to scrape and scratch for anything they have acheived leaving them little time to enjoy what it is that they have achieved?
just a question
R-R </font>[/QUOTE]You're watching too much TV, Ronnie.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah i think im watching to much Animal Planet and to much History Channel im gonna have to cut that out.......
:D :D
Actually if its not educating my mind i dont watch it... TV has gone down the tubes. but i will occasionally watch leave it to beaver or I dream of Jeanie. those were real shows...
R-R
I think mouthy women exist in all races and ethnicities - respectfully speaking, of course.....JMJ :D
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus,
My question to you is, do you think this could be because Most(Not all) White women have had a life of leasure and somewhat a life of luxury making them a bit more at ease with them selves,
And many black women have had to scrape and scratch for anything they have acheived leaving them little time to enjoy what it is that they have achieved?
just a question
R-R </font>[/QUOTE]You're watching too much TV, Ronnie.....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah i think im watching to much Animal Planet and to much History Channel im gonna have to cut that out.......
:D :D
Actually if its not educating my mind i dont watch it... TV has gone down the tubes. but i will occasionally watch leave it to beaver or I dream of Jeanie. those were real shows...
R-R </font>[/QUOTE]I always wanted to do Barbara Eden. How about you?? I think I'd still do her. I wouldn't tell anybody though......JMJ
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 05:44 PM
And i still stand by my statement... the only women losing out are black women themselves ....the phenom of brothers dating out of their race ( hel l actually everyone is) is increasing
Why?,,,,because we do have options now.
If you are not racist and are willing to spend time with someone who digs you for yourself then why not?
LEONARD REMIX RROY
08-22-2003, 05:45 PM
Black woman aint got a chance where I live and when you see a Black couple either they are married or, they are not from here. The majority of the Black women here who have a Blackman as a mate - he is not from here.
It is a total trip graemlins/rofl.gif
All Black women are not jacked up and I know quite a few of them. The only problem is, they keep getting with Mule brain Black men (as I call them)
[ August 22, 2003, 06:46 PM: Message edited by: LEONARD REMIX RROY ]
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
I think mouthy women exist in all races and ethnicities - respectfully speaking, of course.....JMJ :D no matter how fine you think a woman is - theres a man out there who wishes she would shut the **** up
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Or so you assume ...
But you care right (?) that's why you keep hammering the point in? Which is what again? You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo? Why do you complain about this phenomenon so much if you're not missing out. Do you care? </font>[/QUOTE]its much more interesting that i put out my factual experience as a working promoter and it gets your blood up
its much more interesting that i state i don't care what color the skin is as long as the pussy is pink ( ok tight is also nice)
but of course you could be right - my stylo (as it were) on the club scene is usually that of a well dressed obviously well off intelligent and working brother, not fine and not foul - i can see how that can be a turn off
my point...since it zoomed over your head, was that i have options and am availing myself of them..if that enrages you..thats your problem
finally i did not complain at all - i relayed my personal anecdotal experience - but if it helps you t come to grips with YOUR demons then i guess you can file my statement as a complaint </font>[/QUOTE]Big surprise ... I done stepped out of line.
Perspectives and perceptions ...
Instant reminder why I usually don't get into many conversations with you.
If you'll pardon me, I believe I have a demon on the loose.
http://life.csu.edu.au/~lbenton/images/cartoon/devil.gif
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
I think mouthy women exist in all races and ethnicities - respectfully speaking, of course.....JMJ :D no matter how fine you think a woman is - theres a man out there who wishes she would shut the **** up </font>[/QUOTE]They rule the world and that's not enough. It's not like we're STEALING the pussy....JMJ
LEONARD REMIX RROY
08-22-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
I think mouthy women exist in all races and ethnicities - respectfully speaking, of course.....JMJ :D no matter how fine you think a woman is - theres a man out there who wishes she would shut the **** up </font>[/QUOTE]They rule the world and that's not enough. It's not like we're STEALING the pussy....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]It aint like the pussy had been that great either graemlins/scared.gif
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Or so you assume ...
But you care right (?) that's why you keep hammering the point in? Which is what again? You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo? Why do you complain about this phenomenon so much if you're not missing out. Do you care? </font>[/QUOTE]its much more interesting that i put out my factual experience as a working promoter and it gets your blood up
its much more interesting that i state i don't care what color the skin is as long as the pussy is pink ( ok tight is also nice)
but of course you could be right - my stylo (as it were) on the club scene is usually that of a well dressed obviously well off intelligent and working brother, not fine and not foul - i can see how that can be a turn off
my point...since it zoomed over your head, was that i have options and am availing myself of them..if that enrages you..thats your problem
finally i did not complain at all - i relayed my personal anecdotal experience - but if it helps you t come to grips with YOUR demons then i guess you can file my statement as a complaint </font>[/QUOTE]Big surprise ... I done stepped out of line.
Perspectives and perceptions ...
Instant reminder why I usually don't get into many conversations with you.
If you'll pardon me, I believe I have a demon on the loose.
http://life.csu.edu.au/~lbenton/images/cartoon/devil.gif </font>[/QUOTE]our words stand for themselves - you obviously have a problem with what i stated
where did i write that i care? - your words not mine
my point? as i am not being melvillean i would have thought it quite simple to find my topic sentence
my complaint? please point out where i did complain - as i said i made anecdotal statements - or can folk only join this conversation in phrases and ideas that jibe with your worldview?
as for missing out - hell baby as long as my green is long i can **** chicks of all persuausions ( i believe in the money/power/pussy ethic so well versed by Tony Montana)
and youre right...we probably don't get into many convos cause i aint the kinda brother who is PC - **** yer happiness and sensibilities i espouse and defend my worldview and aint tryin ta be the modern sensitive guy who has allowed himself to be emasculated and muzzled by the acceptance of bullshit - then again Hemingway was a misogynist too, and oh so clear
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
I always wanted to do Barbara Eden. How about you?? I think I'd still do her. I wouldn't tell anybody though......JMJ [/QB]WERD!!!! i'd tell it.... lmao
R-R
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it </font>[/QUOTE]I see your point as the first thing i get is suspicion
But don't get it twisted - ALL MEN WANT SOMETHING FROM WOMEN - and in the end its the purse which you hold dearest
White women get played as much as black ones do...they just deal with it a lil differently
I find many black women to be a little to antagonistic at times; either they are well educated and sucessful and think they don't need a man or don't want one below their station ( which is one of the points of the article)....or they have been played out so many times they view all men as the enemy...or they only wanna hook up with so called "playas" and ignore the many fine men who are available and who would be perfect for them
we all can't be Billy Dee or Reggie Williams (not the ballplayer) or MJ or 50 cent...we all aint tryin to just dump an dis..we aint the enemy..
what i find amazing is the two different perspectives i see from blacks about mixed race relationships....black guys will comment that we would do a better job on a sisters ass than the white guy shes with (the myth of the big black dick and its power to spellbind)...black women will look at the black guy in a mixed relationship and scowl that "he" aint shit, the implication being he's a race "traitor"
[ August 22, 2003, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]
Ronnie Ron
08-22-2003, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it </font>[/QUOTE]I see your point as the first thing i get is suspicion
But don't get it twisted - ALL MEN WANT SOMETHING FROM WOMEN - and in the end its the purse which you hold dearest
White women get played as much as black ones do...they just deal with it a lil differently
I find many black women to be a little to antagonistic at times; either they are well educated and sucessful and think they don't need a man or don't want one below their station ( which is one of the points of the article)....or they have been played out so many times they view all men as the enemy...or they only wanna hook up with so called "playas" and ignore the many fine men who are available and who would be perfect for them
we all can't be Billy Dee or Reggie Williams (not the ballplayer) or MJ or 50 cent...we all aint tryin to just dump an dis..we aint the enemy..
what i find amazing is the two different perspectives i see from blacks about mixed race relationships....black guys will comment that we would do a better job on a sisters ass than the white guy shes with (the myth of the big black dick and its power to spellbind)...black women will look at the black guy in a mixed relationship and scowl that "he" aint shit, the implication being he's a race "traitor" </font>[/QUOTE]In my opinion there is a lot of truth to this statemtent. We arent the enemy at least im not.
R-R
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by RonnieRon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus,
My question to you is, do you think this could be because Most(Not all) White women have had a life of leasure and somewhat a life of luxury making them a bit more at ease with them selves,
And many black women have had to scrape and scratch for anything they have acheived leaving them little time to enjoy what it is that they have achieved?
just a question
R-R </font>[/QUOTE]I cant buy this argument in total...most people are middle class...while a higher percentage of blacks live in poverty white women are by no means living a life of leisure
While many black women have had a hard time in life, I'm not sure why that would lead to so much sexual animosity between black men and women...there must be other cofactors
[ August 22, 2003, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it </font>[/QUOTE]I see your point as the first thing i get is suspicion
But don't get it twisted - ALL MEN WANT SOMETHING FROM WOMEN - and in the end its the purse which you hold dearest
White women get played as much as black ones do...they just deal with it a lil differently
I find many black women to be a little to antagonistic at times; either they are well educated and sucessful and think they don't need a man or don't want one below their station ( which is one of the points of the article)....or they have been played out so many times they view all men as the enemy...or they only wanna hook up with so called "playas" and ignore the many fine men who are available and who would be perfect for them
we all can't be Billy Dee or Reggie Williams (not the ballplayer) or MJ or 50 cent...we all aint tryin to just dump an dis..we aint the enemy..
what i find amazing is the two different perspectives i see from blacks about mixed race relationships....black guys will comment that we would do a better job on a sisters ass than the white guy shes with (the myth of the big black dick and its power to spellbind)...black women will look at the black guy in a mixed relationship and scowl that "he" aint shit, the implication being he's a race "traitor" </font>[/QUOTE]Just speaking specifically of clubs and the free drink situation.. I've gotten plenty free drink tickets :D but the crowd has been a predominately white crowd... Free drinks and free drink tickets is the norm...
I have never walked into a club that has been mostly black and seen anyone giving away free drink tickets..
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it </font>[/QUOTE]I see your point as the first thing i get is suspicion
But don't get it twisted - ALL MEN WANT SOMETHING FROM WOMEN - and in the end its the purse which you hold dearest
White women get played as much as black ones do...they just deal with it a lil differently
I find many black women to be a little to antagonistic at times; either they are well educated and sucessful and think they don't need a man or don't want one below their station ( which is one of the points of the article)....or they have been played out so many times they view all men as the enemy...or they only wanna hook up with so called "playas" and ignore the many fine men who are available and who would be perfect for them
we all can't be Billy Dee or Reggie Williams (not the ballplayer) or MJ or 50 cent...we all aint tryin to just dump an dis..we aint the enemy..
what i find amazing is the two different perspectives i see from blacks about mixed race relationships....black guys will comment that we would do a better job on a sisters ass than the white guy shes with (the myth of the big black dick and its power to spellbind)...black women will look at the black guy in a mixed relationship and scowl that "he" aint shit, the implication being he's a race "traitor" </font>[/QUOTE]Just speaking specifically of clubs and the free drink situation.. I've gotten plenty free drink tickets :D but the crowd has been a predominately white crowd... Free drinks and free drink tickets is the norm...
I have never walked into a club that has been mostly black and seen anyone giving away free drink tickets.. </font>[/QUOTE]thats what makes my anecdotes so strange...i'm walking up to groups of black women in predominantly white clubs and getting the coldest responses (although the same happens at my black promotions)..yet i AS A BLACK DUDE will get more love from groups of white girls
btw...if more black clubs did 50K bars there would be more drink tix...but thats another riot
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it </font>[/QUOTE]I see your point as the first thing i get is suspicion
But don't get it twisted - ALL MEN WANT SOMETHING FROM WOMEN - and in the end its the purse which you hold dearest
White women get played as much as black ones do...they just deal with it a lil differently
I find many black women to be a little to antagonistic at times; either they are well educated and sucessful and think they don't need a man or don't want one below their station ( which is one of the points of the article)....or they have been played out so many times they view all men as the enemy...or they only wanna hook up with so called "playas" and ignore the many fine men who are available and who would be perfect for them
we all can't be Billy Dee or Reggie Williams (not the ballplayer) or MJ or 50 cent...we all aint tryin to just dump an dis..we aint the enemy..
what i find amazing is the two different perspectives i see from blacks about mixed race relationships....black guys will comment that we would do a better job on a sisters ass than the white guy shes with (the myth of the big black dick and its power to spellbind)...black women will look at the black guy in a mixed relationship and scowl that "he" aint shit, the implication being he's a race "traitor" </font>[/QUOTE]Just speaking specifically of clubs and the free drink situation.. I've gotten plenty free drink tickets :D but the crowd has been a predominately white crowd... Free drinks and free drink tickets is the norm...
I have never walked into a club that has been mostly black and seen anyone giving away free drink tickets.. </font>[/QUOTE]thats what makes my anecdotes so strange...i'm walking up to groups of black women in predominantly white clubs and getting the coldest responses (although the same happens at my black promotions)..yet i AS A BLACK DUDE will get more love from groups of white girls
btw...if more black clubs did 50K bars there would be more drink tix...but thats another riot </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe those white girls want to find out if the BLACK MYTH is true.. icon_rofl.gif graemlins/conf44.gif
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
I think mouthy women exist in all races and ethnicities - respectfully speaking, of course.....JMJ :D no matter how fine you think a woman is - theres a man out there who wishes she would shut the **** up </font>[/QUOTE]They rule the world and that's not enough. It's not like we're STEALING the pussy....JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]theres a line from the Frank Langella Dracula flick that i always repeat to all my vict, uhh, i mean ladies..."if ever the pleasure of my company should escape you, you have only yourself to blame"
free will is a bitch...
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Magus, Could it be becuase, white woman are used to men always giving them things for free... You act according to how you have always been accustom. They are used to this.. get your drinks and buh bye..
Usually when a brother steps up they want something(or at least that is what we think) and we are under the impression you dont get something for nothing. therefore you are instictively on the defensive....
maybe these woman have to just get used do the this has no strings attached.. side of it </font>[/QUOTE]I see your point as the first thing i get is suspicion
But don't get it twisted - ALL MEN WANT SOMETHING FROM WOMEN - and in the end its the purse which you hold dearest
White women get played as much as black ones do...they just deal with it a lil differently
I find many black women to be a little to antagonistic at times; either they are well educated and sucessful and think they don't need a man or don't want one below their station ( which is one of the points of the article)....or they have been played out so many times they view all men as the enemy...or they only wanna hook up with so called "playas" and ignore the many fine men who are available and who would be perfect for them
we all can't be Billy Dee or Reggie Williams (not the ballplayer) or MJ or 50 cent...we all aint tryin to just dump an dis..we aint the enemy..
what i find amazing is the two different perspectives i see from blacks about mixed race relationships....black guys will comment that we would do a better job on a sisters ass than the white guy shes with (the myth of the big black dick and its power to spellbind)...black women will look at the black guy in a mixed relationship and scowl that "he" aint shit, the implication being he's a race "traitor" </font>[/QUOTE]Just speaking specifically of clubs and the free drink situation.. I've gotten plenty free drink tickets :D but the crowd has been a predominately white crowd... Free drinks and free drink tickets is the norm...
I have never walked into a club that has been mostly black and seen anyone giving away free drink tickets.. </font>[/QUOTE]thats what makes my anecdotes so strange...i'm walking up to groups of black women in predominantly white clubs and getting the coldest responses (although the same happens at my black promotions)..yet i AS A BLACK DUDE will get more love from groups of white girls
btw...if more black clubs did 50K bars there would be more drink tix...but thats another riot </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe those white girls want to find out if the BLACK MYTH is true.. icon_rofl.gif graemlins/conf44.gif </font>[/QUOTE]...in my case no...only 3 inches - but hips like a jackhammer
i.be.me
08-22-2003, 07:13 PM
DAMN I'm sorry I got in on this so late. 6 23, Discogoddess, and Discolady, you're doing great! I'm behind you all the way. graemlins/cheering.gif
I'm off to go out with my beautiful black man. graemlins/1luvu.gif
[ August 22, 2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Saglady ]
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 07:18 PM
As far as "mouthing off" is concerned...the fellas here didn't bring that up
but i wanna address it anyway
I never met a black woman that really "mouthed off"...I have never ever come close to release from a black woman mouthing off...its probably the type of black woman that i have gotten with but they wre never very orally fixated and never really got into mouthing off in fact most kept their mouth off as they felt that this was a "dirty" deed...
then again maybe i'm a friction freak
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
As far as "mouthing off" is concerned...the fellas here didn't bring that up
but i wanna address it anyway
I never met a black woman that really "mouthed off"...I have never ever come close to release from a black woman mouthing off...its probably the type of black woman that i have gotten with but they wre never very orally fixated and never really got into mouthing off in fact most kept their mouth off as they felt that this was a "dirty" deed...
then again maybe i'm a friction freak don't believe the hype, sistahs love mouthing off, too
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
As far as "mouthing off" is concerned...the fellas here didn't bring that up
but i wanna address it anyway
I never met a black woman that really "mouthed off"...I have never ever come close to release from a black woman mouthing off...its probably the type of black woman that i have gotten with but they wre never very orally fixated and never really got into mouthing off in fact most kept their mouth off as they felt that this was a "dirty" deed...
then again maybe i'm a friction freak don't believe the hype, sistahs love mouthing off, too </font>[/QUOTE]could ya hook a brotha up?...i mean with a real termite
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
As far as "mouthing off" is concerned...the fellas here didn't bring that up
but i wanna address it anyway
I never met a black woman that really "mouthed off"...I have never ever come close to release from a black woman mouthing off...its probably the type of black woman that i have gotten with but they wre never very orally fixated and never really got into mouthing off in fact most kept their mouth off as they felt that this was a "dirty" deed...
then again maybe i'm a friction freak don't believe the hype, sistahs love mouthing off, too </font>[/QUOTE]could ya hook a brotha up?...i mean with a real termite </font>[/QUOTE]i'm sure there is plenty of talented right here, but, will make some intros
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
i'm not scared off - i got options and pussy is pink (red when i'm finished awroooooooo)
the only peeps losing out are black women themselves Or so you assume ...
But you care right (?) that's why you keep hammering the point in? Which is what again? You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo? Why do you complain about this phenomenon so much if you're not missing out. Do you care? </font>[/QUOTE]its much more interesting that i put out my factual experience as a working promoter and it gets your blood up
its much more interesting that i state i don't care what color the skin is as long as the pussy is pink ( ok tight is also nice)
but of course you could be right - my stylo (as it were) on the club scene is usually that of a well dressed obviously well off intelligent and working brother, not fine and not foul - i can see how that can be a turn off
my point...since it zoomed over your head, was that i have options and am availing myself of them..if that enrages you..thats your problem
finally i did not complain at all - i relayed my personal anecdotal experience - but if it helps you t come to grips with YOUR demons then i guess you can file my statement as a complaint </font>[/QUOTE]Big surprise ... I done stepped out of line.
Perspectives and perceptions ...
Instant reminder why I usually don't get into many conversations with you.
If you'll pardon me, I believe I have a demon on the loose.
http://life.csu.edu.au/~lbenton/images/cartoon/devil.gif </font>[/QUOTE]our words stand for themselves - you obviously have a problem with what i stated
where did i write that i care? - your words not mine
my point? as i am not being melvillean i would have thought it quite simple to find my topic sentence
my complaint? please point out where i did complain - as i said i made anecdotal statements - or can folk only join this conversation in phrases and ideas that jibe with your worldview?
as for missing out - hell baby as long as my green is long i can **** chicks of all persuausions ( i believe in the money/power/pussy ethic so well versed by Tony Montana)
and youre right...we probably don't get into many convos cause i aint the kinda brother who is PC - **** yer happiness and sensibilities i espouse and defend my worldview and aint tryin ta be the modern sensitive guy who has allowed himself to be emasculated and muzzled by the acceptance of bullshit - then again Hemingway was a misogynist too, and oh so clear </font>[/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sleeping10.gif
Bold Soul
08-22-2003, 09:39 PM
First off, "most" white women aren't living lives where everything is handed to them. 400 Million white people in America - all of them can't be rich.
Take the average issues of a black woman or latina and exponentialize them and you get the life of white women in America. A bitch-slap to everyone who is still, in 2003, fantasizing about how much better it must be in the master's house.
Second of all, black people are at a disadvantage educationally and socially in the US (Lennox - where are you with those stats). The pop-culture myths that are expressed in music, movies and ridiculous television shows depict this sassy black woman who heels her man and schools her kids and many of all races eat that bullshit up. No one else is raising you - so you emulate that which comes on every channel.
No "sista" can lie and say they haven't gotten off on the formerly negro Oprah and her "sistagurl" shit (before she started helping white women psychoanalyze themselves)...
http://images.oprah.com/images/home/feature/2003/200308/home_feature_20030822.jpg
If I hear one more white gal's problem, I'll kill the kid! I swear!"
All of you wanted to be "Claire Huxtable" with her sassy courtroom bullshit, bumbling husband who can't tell her shit, can't eat what he wants, can help deliver babies but can't get Theo out of trouble, weak-kneed half-man bullshit...
A bunch of little "Wilonas" living across the street from the Evans' flat raising your kids without a man (but not without his child support check)...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00007KK5I.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
"Meet our dad James. Unfortunately, he'll be dead next season. Watch him break this chair."
All you "Coffees" and "Foxy Browns", kickin' ass...
Now you all want to be "Lil Kim", ****in' em and leavin' 'em...
http://www.ewsonline.com/badboy/kim/kim22.jpg
"Ain't I a lady muthafuka?! Ain't I? I wanna meet yo' mama 'n shit."
Now you all can room together like that bunch of dykes on UPN's "Girlfriends".
http://images.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_1484247293/lg
"Hey yall...let's shower together...again..."
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
So for those of you who think you can hold the balls - don't need a husband, kids don't need a father...
For those of you who think you can play the role and make your man think he's in control when you really hold all the cards...
For those of you who think you can plot your daughters' development path with the following milestones - RAVEN to BRANDY to LIL KIM to OPRAH to MAYA ANGELOU...
The fantasy myth has you, and it will fail you, and you will learn to like short asian men or rug munching.
Don't be a PLAYA - be a PLAYER, as in ON A TEAM, you SOWS!!!
http://www.upn.com/shows/parkers/images/cast_pic_02.jpg
(fool - shut up and make me a sandwich!"
[ August 22, 2003, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]
The Buddy Love Show
08-22-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
First off, "most" white women aren't living lives where everything is handed to them. 400 Million white people in America - all of them can't be rich.
Take the average issues of a black woman or latina and exponentialize them and you get the life of white women in America. A bitch-slap to everyone who is still, in 2003, fantasizing about how much better it must be in the master's house.
Second of all, black people are at a disadvantage educationally and socially in the US (Lennox - where are you with those stats). The pop-culture myths that are expressed in music, movies and ridiculous television shows depict this sassy black woman who heels her man and schools her kids and many of all races eat that bullshit up. No one else is raising you - so you emulate that which comes on every channel.
No "sista" can lie and say they haven't gotten off on the formerly negro Oprah and her "sistagurl" shit (before she started helping white women psychoanalyze themselves)...
All of you wanted to be "Claire Huxtable" with her sassy courtroom bullshit, bumbling husband who can't tell her shit, can't eat what he wants, can help deliver babies but can't get Theo out of trouble, weak-kneed half-man bullshit...
A bunch of little "Wilonas" living across the street from the Evans' flat raising your kids without a man (but not without his child support check)...
All you "Coffees" and "Foxy Browns", kickin' ass...
Now you all want to be "Lil Kim", ****in' em and leavin' 'em...
Now you all can room together like that bunch of dykes on UPN's "Girlfriends".
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
So for those of you who think you can hold the balls - don't need a husband, kids don't need a father...
For those of you who think you can play the role and make your man think he's in control when you really hold all the cards...
For those of you who think you can plot your daughters' development path with the following milestones - RAVEN to BRANDY to LIL KIM to OPRAH to MAYA ANGELOU...
The fantasy myth has you, and it will fail you, and you will learn to like short asian men or rug munching.
Don't be a PLAYA - be a PLAYER, as in ON A TEAM, you SOWS!!! i am not Bold Soul
brilliant!
MCarnet
08-22-2003, 09:47 PM
retarted comment removed.
[ August 22, 2003, 10:51 PM: Message edited by: Marcus A ]
Mocambo
08-23-2003, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something.
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo?</font>[/QUOTE]why is stylo an issue when you're simply offering a woman a free drink?
therein lies the problem.
Originally posted by t o r i n:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
i walk up to a group of black women and attempt to give them free drink tix and chat them up promotion wise - i get cold stares and expressed derision
i walk up to a group of white women and attempt to give them fre drink tix and chat them up proomotion wise - i get laffs and smiles and phone numbers
true story that gets repeated on the weekly
You do realize the groups of Black women you approach could actually not like your stylo?</font>[/QUOTE]why is stylo an issue when you're simply offering a woman a free drink?
therein lies the problem. </font>[/QUOTE]I tossed it out there as a possible reason why the perceived harshness in responses from Black women. Much as I offer up the possibilities that the women he's approached could all have been:
ill,
tired,
hungry,
recovering alcoholics,
in a bad mood,
reacting to his cologne,
flirting and he misread,
been ill mannered,
not liked how he walked up and smiled (stylo if you will or will not ... ) graemlins/cool_shades.gif
etc, etc.
You may do something you perceive as friendly or nice and in return get rebuffed - Yes it sucks in the given situation buuuuut it happens. To walk away saying "Black women" blah, blah ... I'm not buying it nor trying to spread the mentality. I suppose I'm this nit picky now 'cause I've fallen into the same traps in thought -
No matter how often or how many times, until you encounter every Black woman in a given geographic location, why so easy to accept the stereotyping? Yeah ... all different us Black women. Yikes! How does one engage in dialogue with another who believes a stereotype and may act/react based off that belief thereby adding to the larger problem of stereotypes?
*
Now back to sweet music. graemlins/grinyes.gif
http://www.sunburn.org/sunburnstore/grafix/thumbs/19001.jpg
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
First off, "most" white women aren't living lives where everything is handed to them. 400 Million white people in America - all of them can't be rich.
Take the average issues of a black woman or latina and exponentialize them and you get the life of white women in America. A bitch-slap to everyone who is still, in 2003, fantasizing about how much better it must be in the master's house.
Second of all, black people are at a disadvantage educationally and socially in the US (Lennox - where are you with those stats). The pop-culture myths that are expressed in music, movies and ridiculous television shows depict this sassy black woman who heels her man and schools her kids and many of all races eat that bullshit up. No one else is raising you - so you emulate that which comes on every channel.
No "sista" can lie and say they haven't gotten off on the formerly negro Oprah and her "sistagurl" shit (before she started helping white women psychoanalyze themselves)...
http://images.oprah.com/images/home/feature/2003/200308/home_feature_20030822.jpg
If I hear one more white gal's problem, I'll kill the kid! I swear!"
All of you wanted to be "Claire Huxtable" with her sassy courtroom bullshit, bumbling husband who can't tell her shit, can't eat what he wants, can help deliver babies but can't get Theo out of trouble, weak-kneed half-man bullshit...
A bunch of little "Wilonas" living across the street from the Evans' flat raising your kids without a man (but not without his child support check)...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00007KK5I.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
"Meet our dad James. Unfortunately, he'll be dead next season. Watch him break this chair."
All you "Coffees" and "Foxy Browns", kickin' ass...
Now you all want to be "Lil Kim", ****in' em and leavin' 'em...
http://www.ewsonline.com/badboy/kim/kim22.jpg
"Ain't I a lady muthafuka?! Ain't I? I wanna meet yo' mama 'n shit."
Now you all can room together like that bunch of dykes on UPN's "Girlfriends".
http://images.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_1484247293/lg
"Hey yall...let's shower together...again..."
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
So for those of you who think you can hold the balls - don't need a husband, kids don't need a father...
For those of you who think you can play the role and make your man think he's in control when you really hold all the cards...
For those of you who think you can plot your daughters' development path with the following milestones - RAVEN to BRANDY to LIL KIM to OPRAH to MAYA ANGELOU...
The fantasy myth has you, and it will fail you, and you will learn to like short asian men or rug munching.
Don't be a PLAYA - be a PLAYER, as in ON A TEAM, you SOWS!!!
http://www.upn.com/shows/parkers/images/cast_pic_02.jpg
(fool - shut up and make me a sandwich!" Very interesting ...
Caught my eye ..
Having lived here for the past 15 years, I do have some knowledge of the culture you reference. I also have as many years elsewhere so the outsider eye is helpful to my understanding.
In some of your paragraphs, there's what I read as an assumed "we get it the same way" tone .. Do you make allowances for those who may "not get," "get but don't buy," "don't care," "don't wish to get the same way you do?"
In trying to learn about expectations ... How do you dialogue? - Er ... E.g. The Oprah, Claire Huxtable bit ... http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen.gif
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
What's with the Black woman always "mouthing off" stereotype? Stop mouthing off.....JMJ graemlins/remybussi.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Dancing banana dude made me do it ... http://www.dungpow.com/forum/images/smiles/banana.gif
icon_rofl.gif
graemlins/bighug.gif
Originally posted by Marcus A:
retarted comment removed. retarted = retarded. Carry on......JMJ
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 06:42 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
First off, "most" white women aren't living lives where everything is handed to them. 400 Million white people in America - all of them can't be rich.
Take the average issues of a black woman or latina and exponentialize them and you get the life of white women in America. A bitch-slap to everyone who is still, in 2003, fantasizing about how much better it must be in the master's house.
Second of all, black people are at a disadvantage educationally and socially in the US (Lennox - where are you with those stats). The pop-culture myths that are expressed in music, movies and ridiculous television shows depict this sassy black woman who heels her man and schools her kids and many of all races eat that bullshit up. No one else is raising you - so you emulate that which comes on every channel.
No "sista" can lie and say they haven't gotten off on the formerly negro Oprah and her "sistagurl" shit (before she started helping white women psychoanalyze themselves)...
http://images.oprah.com/images/home/feature/2003/200308/home_feature_20030822.jpg
If I hear one more white gal's problem, I'll kill the kid! I swear!"
All of you wanted to be "Claire Huxtable" with her sassy courtroom bullshit, bumbling husband who can't tell her shit, can't eat what he wants, can help deliver babies but can't get Theo out of trouble, weak-kneed half-man bullshit...
A bunch of little "Wilonas" living across the street from the Evans' flat raising your kids without a man (but not without his child support check)...
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00007KK5I.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
"Meet our dad James. Unfortunately, he'll be dead next season. Watch him break this chair."
All you "Coffees" and "Foxy Browns", kickin' ass...
Now you all want to be "Lil Kim", ****in' em and leavin' 'em...
http://www.ewsonline.com/badboy/kim/kim22.jpg
"Ain't I a lady muthafuka?! Ain't I? I wanna meet yo' mama 'n shit."
Now you all can room together like that bunch of dykes on UPN's "Girlfriends".
http://images.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_1484247293/lg
"Hey yall...let's shower together...again..."
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
So for those of you who think you can hold the balls - don't need a husband, kids don't need a father...
For those of you who think you can play the role and make your man think he's in control when you really hold all the cards...
For those of you who think you can plot your daughters' development path with the following milestones - RAVEN to BRANDY to LIL KIM to OPRAH to MAYA ANGELOU...
The fantasy myth has you, and it will fail you, and you will learn to like short asian men or rug munching.
Don't be a PLAYA - be a PLAYER, as in ON A TEAM, you SOWS!!!
http://www.upn.com/shows/parkers/images/cast_pic_02.jpg
(fool - shut up and make me a sandwich!" Very interesting ...
Caught my eye ..
Having lived here for the past 15 years, I do have some knowledge of the culture you reference. I also have as many years elsewhere so the outsider eye is helpful to my understanding.
In some of your paragraphs, there's what I read as an assumed "we get it the same way" tone .. Do you make allowances for those who may "not get," "get but don't buy," "don't care," "don't wish to get the same way you do?"
In trying to learn about expectations ... How do you dialogue? - Er ... E.g. The Oprah, Claire Huxtable bit ... http://deephousepage.com/smilies/listen.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Yo - I'm no one's guru or master. I don't have to make allowances because I'm not in authority. If it struck a chord, then expand on it. If it didn't, pass it by.
The above satire aside, who cannot see the relationship between the pop-culture images the black American female has been bombarded with since the 70s and the conditions prevalent in American society? Co-opted by the White Women's Rights Movement, subjugated by the Civil Rights and Black Power Movement, tokenized by popular culture, objectified by the religions you love so much...if you all haven't woken up by now, when the **** will you? Jesus has you ****ed up. So does Muhammad (the arab version or the Negro Islamic version - take your pick).
The "black" woman is bi-polar and passive/aggressive. She alternates between "**** men - I don't need a man" and "Lord, send me a man, I'm so lonely and miserable" like a schizophrenic on speed. The regurgitate is from a steady diet of sitcom bullshit, pop-novel E. Lynn Harris bullshit and Jesus/Allah bullshit. You've been waiting to exhale far too long. You should be waiting to INHALE, because too little oxygen to the brain has you all stupefied.
And it isn't your powerful, sassy, hands on hips, neck and eye rolling that has us frightened. Its your continual choice to delegate your own personal power to your GOD, HUSBAND, SONS, or foolish illusions of SISTERHOOD and FEMININE SUPERIORITY.
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 06:58 AM
By the way - in the above satire, you'll notice the progression of images...
1. Oprah is clearly in the Beula-like, slave nanny role - taking care of Massas' child, dispensing negro wisdom in catch-phrases.
2. Next is the only realistic portrayal of black American family structures, situations and values - James and Florida Evans of Good Times. (Ever wonder why James didn't like Wilona coming over - because with no husband and kids of her own, she always had time to come over and start bullshit.)
3. Thirdly, we have Lil Kim - the result of the assasination of the black American family. Consider how she went from ghetto pariah to Black Woman Icon Role Model in just a few years. Kill off James and leave Florida to fend for herself and Thelma becomes "The Queen Bee".
4. Next are the ubiquitous single, miserable black females headed for middle age. Too much "Lil Kim" when they were younger and NO MAN WANTS 'EM once those titties sag and too many hugs are distributed in the club. We all see it. We all know it.
Reality check - that "Sex in the City" bullshit is the White Woman's mythos. It ain't for you.
Bottom line - there are more available women than men. Recognize the competitive environment and deal with it. If you want a man, consider what you have to offer in a partnership. (Hint - don't say cooking or pussy, because that shit is everywhere.)
5. Finally, when all else fails, you've got no familial structure, you have no focus and direction, you've destroyed your life and you are of no value in the modern American landscape because you WAITED, BAITED, COMPLICATED your life buying into the myths that were provided, you can take comfort in the fact that you can be overweight, gaudy and unsightly and generally a nuisance and still be sold television shows, magazines and snack foods tailored to your illusions.
And the beat goes on...and on...and on...
"This has been another special episode of "Black Bitch ... You done done it again! Now cough up that black dick!" mad1.gif
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Will the 'sistas' that relate please step up ... http://www.canberra.edu.au/library/libnews/libimages/mystqm-a.gif
Great! They'll probably show up late. Typical! Oh yoooou BlackQueen Beyotch!
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I'll opt for 'get it but don't wanna "get it" that way.' Ho Hum ...
http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif
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and the beat goes on to the back of the bus, back of the bus ... Hmm ... And the beat sits on a sista's lap? Maybe the beat just goes? And the beat just goes, and the beat just goes ...
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 07:42 AM
Bold Soul you are brilliant. The line about the Moynihan report and the masculization of black women really struck a chord and seems to be at the heart of the problem between black women and black men. I really feel that a majority of black women try to show how HARD they are - that they can outMAN a man. From jeans and combat boots to catfighting to the total embrace of a blatant mysoginistic hiphop culture black women are being masculinized and defeminized
Thats why we get the hard looks instead of the coy smiles. Thats why we get the "I don't need a man" responses. Thats why we get sisters running after cats who are hard core gangstas ( idol worship of the miscast "heroic" thugster) instead of valuing "soft" cats who are scholarly or great businesspeople
On the other hand many white women don't have to prove how hard they are and can specialize on being what is appealing to men about women - their femininity.
I myself think a lot of reaction to myself from black women is that i usually come off as "soft". I never subsribed to the yo baby in your face thugsterism that gets passed off as smooth rap. I am obviously intelligent in the way I talk (although like Breton i can be a soluble fish). And on the other side of the equation i don't allow myself to be cowed by the professional i dont need a man type either.
Bold Soul, this is my opinion and it needs more thought but I had to give props to your amazing insight
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
"This has been another special episode of "Black Bitch ... You done done it again! Now cough up that black dick!" mad1.gif
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Will the 'sistas' that relate please step up ... http://www.canberra.edu.au/library/libnews/libimages/mystqm-a.gif
Great! They'll probably show up late. Typical! Oh yoooou BlackQueen Beyotch!
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I'll opt for 'get it but don't wanna "get it" that way.' Ho Hum ...
http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif
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and the beat goes on to the back of the bus, back of the bus ... Hmm ... And the beat sits on a sista's lap? Maybe the beat just goes? And the beat just goes, and the beat just goes ... Amazing
I offer anecdotal responses to this thread and it puts you in attack mode.
Bold Soul offers some cogent cultural analysis and he gets this.
There is obviously a problem for black women out there - surely your counteranalysis rises above the level of this?
Hysteria? - how 19th century of me
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
"This has been another special episode of "Black Bitch ... You done done it again! Now cough up that black dick!" mad1.gif
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Will the 'sistas' that relate please step up ... http://www.canberra.edu.au/library/libnews/libimages/mystqm-a.gif
Great! They'll probably show up late. Typical! Oh yoooou BlackQueen Beyotch!
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I'll opt for 'get it but don't wanna "get it" that way.' Ho Hum ...
http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif
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and the beat goes on to the back of the bus, back of the bus ... Hmm ... And the beat sits on a sista's lap? Maybe the beat just goes? And the beat just goes, and the beat just goes ... Amazing
I offer anecdotal responses to this thread and it puts you in attack mode.
Bold Soul offers some cogent cultural analysis and he gets this.
There is obviously a problem for black women out there - surely your counteranalysis rises above the level of this?
Hysteria? - how 19th century of me </font>[/QUOTE]btw...thi thread stems from an article by a BLACK WOMAN and her analysis of the current situation....this analysis jibes fairly well with what some of the men here are saying
and p.s. it was intelligent - not a rant
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-23-2003, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
As far as "mouthing off" is concerned...the fellas here didn't bring that up
but i wanna address it anyway
I never met a black woman that really "mouthed off"...I have never ever come close to release from a black woman mouthing off...its probably the type of black woman that i have gotten with but they wre never very orally fixated and never really got into mouthing off in fact most kept their mouth off as they felt that this was a "dirty" deed...
then again maybe i'm a friction freak I wonder why black women don't want you http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gif You are such a catch too. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
As far as "mouthing off" is concerned...the fellas here didn't bring that up
but i wanna address it anyway
I never met a black woman that really "mouthed off"...I have never ever come close to release from a black woman mouthing off...its probably the type of black woman that i have gotten with but they wre never very orally fixated and never really got into mouthing off in fact most kept their mouth off as they felt that this was a "dirty" deed...
then again maybe i'm a friction freak I wonder why black women don't want you http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gif You are such a catch too. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]but then again i'm an equal opportunity mysoginist
but ad hominem attacks don't really address the issue do they?...but they feel oh so good
p.s. i am actually a terrible catch but because sociopaths always pesent such a great facade in order to ensnare their victims the profundity of my depravity is not evident upon shallow inspection - perfect for nightcrawling
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Amazing
I offer anecdotal responses to this thread and it puts you in attack mode.
Bold Soul offers some cogent cultural analysis and he gets this.
There is obviously a problem for black women out there - surely your counteranalysis rises above the level of this?
Hysteria? - how 19th century of meSo what's the damage now? That we clearly have differing opinions and ways of expressing ourselves has not gone unnoticed by moi. Simply, I don't share the same beliefs or opinions you do about Black women.
Make that hysterical laughing ... Yeah, I've got that. icon_rofl.gif
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
btw...thi thread stems from an article by a BLACK WOMAN and her analysis of the current situation....this analysis jibes fairly well with what some of the men here are saying
and p.s. it was intelligent - not a rantOkay ... and?
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 08:21 AM
Ah...somehow the discussion has halted. Hmmmmm...
Was it the element of cynicism and satire used to make my points? Or was it something else.
Ah well...I give up...again... ;)
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 08:23 AM
And BTW, 6 23 -
Two words that should never be placed one after the other in a sentence are BLACK and BITCH. No where in my comments will you find those two words in that manner. You're out of line.
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-23-2003, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html)
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Amazing
I offer anecdotal responses to this thread and it puts you in attack mode.
Bold Soul offers some cogent cultural analysis and he gets this.
There is obviously a problem for black women out there - surely your counteranalysis rises above the level of this?
Hysteria? - how 19th century of meSo what's the damage now? That we clearly have differing opinions and ways of expressing ourselves has not gone unnoticed by moi. Simply, I don't share the same beliefs or opinions you do about Black women.
Make that hysterical laughing ... Yeah, I've got that. icon_rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]"Hysterical laughing"..and you admit to that?...as an attempted parry to a pre-1980s insult of a womans capability to engage in intelligent debate??????
Thanks for catering to my pansexual feelings of superiority
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
btw...thi thread stems from an article by a BLACK WOMAN and her analysis of the current situation....this analysis jibes fairly well with what some of the men here are saying
and p.s. it was intelligent - not a rantOkay ... and? </font>[/QUOTE]Bold Soul was right...it seems discussion has ground to a halt
Is that even a sentence?...Are you making a rebuttal?...
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html) </font>[/QUOTE]So Willie Lynch was into interracial sex?...Or is this argument a red herring?
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html) </font>[/QUOTE]That's why I came with the whole Steve Coakley-esque rant. It is systemic, although I don't know if anyone is actually controlling the system anymore.
That's also why I mentioned what I saw as the foolishness of comparing black and white women and the generalizations that "they had everything handed to them" - that's more slave thinking.
Gotta see the chains before you can break them.
[ August 23, 2003, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-23-2003, 08:35 AM
Most of the founding fathers had a black slave girl in their bed most of the time, no doubt. Willie Lynch probably got generations of black families all over the place graemlins/conf44.gif
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html) </font>[/QUOTE]So Willie Lynch was into interracial sex?...Or is this argument a red herring? </font>[/QUOTE]Let me further elaborate...Is this the right reference ito usena discussion about why Black women are losing their men? Especially, when losing them to WHITE women?..It would seem tht someone who is advising slaveholders on how to keep blacks down would not also be advocating black on white sex.
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-23-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html) </font>[/QUOTE]That's why I came with the whole Steve Coakley-esque rant. It is systemic, although I don't know if anyone is actually controlling the system anymore.
That's also why I mentioned what I saw as the foolishness of comparing black and white women and the generalizations that "they had everything handed to them" - that's more slave thinking.
Gotta see the chains before you can break them. </font>[/QUOTE]Some of us don't even know there are chains holding us. We have been conditioned into thinking a certain way. Generational curses are real and people seem to think that it's all about opening our eyes and seeing the light, it's further than that. We have parents that keep this conditioning going and don't even know it.
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html) </font>[/QUOTE]That's why I came with the whole Steve Coakley-esque rant. It is systemic, although I don't know if anyone is actually controlling the system anymore.
That's also why I mentioned what I saw as the foolishness of comparing black and white women and the generalizations that "they had everything handed to them" - that's more slave thinking.
Gotta see the chains before you can break them. </font>[/QUOTE]It is a part of the systemic disintegration of the black family...whether cotrolled or intended...however an interesting phenomena creeped into the equation...YO MTV RAPS...suddenly you have white kids acting black...and if you can act black why not **** black - i'm seeing interracial couples in places i never dreamed possible...with the concurrent masculinization of the black woman ( I like this theory..need to explore more) it places more of a burden on black women to find and keep eligible black men
There are real issues here that merit discussion - not attack
btw...its intersting that YO! was cancelled while it was on top...but ya can't stop the hiphop
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Silhouette:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And that shit fails you because a woman's strength is that SHE IS NOT A MAN - but, like my man Moynahan told you all (and you wouldn't listen), welfare and pop-culture didn't demasculinize the black MAN - it MASCULINIZED the black WOMAN!!!
[/i] hail.gif
I read your whole piece and loved it. Dude, my father has been telling me that(above quote)since 1980 something. </font>[/QUOTE]I hate to keep referring to Willie Lynch but his plan actually worked, he cursed our ancestors and the descendents are living with the generational curses. We are living out a prophecy and don't know how to make it cease. There are a mass of us that still think White is Right, Black Men ain't nothing and I don't need a man to make me strong. Here is an excerpt from the Willie Lynch Letter on "The Making of A Slave:
"I use FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY for control purposes........I shall assure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST, AND ENVY IS STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION."
"The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands."
"You must use the female VS the male, and the male VS, the female. ............. but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us."
To see it in it's entirety check out this link
Willie Lynch Letter (http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html) </font>[/QUOTE]That's why I came with the whole Steve Coakley-esque rant. It is systemic, although I don't know if anyone is actually controlling the system anymore.
That's also why I mentioned what I saw as the foolishness of comparing black and white women and the generalizations that "they had everything handed to them" - that's more slave thinking.
Gotta see the chains before you can break them. </font>[/QUOTE]Some of us don't even know there are chains holding us. We have been conditioned into thinking a certain way. Generational curses are real and people seem to think that it's all about opening our eyes and seeing the light, it's further than that. We have parents that keep this conditioning going and don't even know it. </font>[/QUOTE]I can't buy the generational curse stuff ,,,Jews seem to be doing alright and they've been despised since before Jesus...shit since before Moses
i.be.me
08-23-2003, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
"This has been another special episode of "Black Bitch ... You done done it again! Now cough up that black dick!" mad1.gif
-
Will the 'sistas' that relate please step up ... http://www.canberra.edu.au/library/libnews/libimages/mystqm-a.gif
Great! They'll probably show up late. Typical! Oh yoooou BlackQueen Beyotch!
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I'll opt for 'get it but don't wanna "get it" that way.' Ho Hum ...
http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif
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and the beat goes on to the back of the bus, back of the bus ... Hmm ... And the beat sits on a sista's lap? Maybe the beat just goes? And the beat just goes, and the beat just goes ... OK, OK 6 23! I'm in.
Bold Soul, now why you gotta go and talk about titties sagging? huh? icon_rofl.gif
The things everyone is noticing, starting with the original article, that ain't right and smell real bad, are real issues. BUT it is shortsighted to blame Black women.
The problem is much bigger than that.
Let's start with an analogy. Back in the day when African heritage people were forced into involuntary servitude, if they acted "right" there was a better chance that white people would treat them "good". And when they didn't act "right" they would get humiliated, beaten, punished in some other inhumane way, or killed.
Fun, eh? graemlins/OLA.gif I know this is everyone's favorite subject. Hang in there with me.
So, many African heritage people, in the interest of survival, began to perfect how to act "right", train their children, and police others to do likewise. When someone would step out of line, fight back, or run away - causing pain, misery, and punishment for themselves and or many others, that person would be blamed - INSTEAD OF THE SYSTEM OF INVOLUTARY SERVITUDE.
So now, I'll beat my drum. The same bait and switch is happening here. Instead of looking at how capitalism, racism, and sexism are f#$^ing with people - it is much easier to blame Black women. And when a Black woman is the source of the blame, the argument seems even stronger.
I understand the confusion, but it is still wrong. graemlins/puke.gif
So, Bold Soul I think your observations of the boxes (stereotypes) society tries to stuff Black women into - but I don't agree that it is a personal failing of Black women.
I have more to say, but I gotta do something other than sit in front of this computer. It is beautiful outside!!
more later!
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 08:51 AM
Cycles I see in many black familial relationships that are related to the topic...
1. Black women raise their sons to be their husbands. Black men raise their daughters to be their mistresses.
2. Black American culture is imposed on children without choice or option. - being taught WHAT to think as opposed to HOW to think.
3. Christianity, in all its rigid and inappropriate conditioning is still the cornerstone of black social conditioning.
4. Therefore, Christianity and all its mysognystic rigidity is at the foundation of the social, political and economic condition of blacks in America.
5. Based on the above, blacks in America have very little stimulus to provoke the development of cognition and free association. EMULATION and REPETITION is cheaper to teach/enforce and is easier to maintain and these are the two primary skills utilized by black Americans in the economic, social and political environs of the US.
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-23-2003, 08:53 AM
That's because they have used the past to educate themselves in order to keep preservation. We seem to have lost self-identity, that is something that Jews haven't lost.
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Saglady:
So, Bold Soul I think your observations of the boxes (stereotypes) society tries to stuff Black women into - but I don't agree that it is a personal failing of Black women.Go back and read my comments and see if you can find any mention of personal failing. The context of my comments are cynical and satirical.
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
That's because they have used the past to educate themselves in order to keep preservation. We seem to have lost self-identity, that is something that Jews haven't lost. I cant buy that either...its easy to say "i aint a jew" even if you are one...its not so easy to say "i aint black" especially when you are one...we know who we are we just don't know what we are and unlike Jews most of us won't sacrifice our present for our childrens future...Strong trees have strong roots
Asides many jews marry outside their culture...something to which the orthodoxy is currently rebelling
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
we know who we are we just don't know what we are and unlike Jews most of us won't sacrifice our present for our childrens future...Strong trees have strong roots
Sounds like the ticket.
Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-23-2003, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Cycles I see in many black familial relationships that are related to the topic...
1. Black women raise their sons to be their husbands. Black men raise their daughters to be their mistresses.
2. Black American culture is imposed on children without choice or option. - being taught WHAT to think as opposed to HOW to think.
3. Christianity, in all its rigid and inappropriate conditioning is still the cornerstone of black social conditioning.
4. Therefore, Christianity and all its mysognystic rigidity is at the foundation of the social, political and economic condition of blacks in America.
5. Based on the above, blacks in America have very little stimulus to provoke the development of cognition and free association. EMULATION and REPETITION is cheaper to teach/enforce and is easier to maintain and these are the two primary skills utilized by black Americans in the economic, social and political environs of the US. I don't know what Christian black families you've been around lately, but in my household my stance on Christianity is more than a religion. I teach my children intergrity first with biblical teachings. I also teach my children from other books and encourage them to read and watch the world around them. Other christians I know don't use the bible to control their family. I choose not to partake in some of what my husband does niether do I condemn him for it. My children still listen to music and live a child's life without me force feeding them bible teachings. I do not raise my family with the intentions of controlling who they are. My son will not be my pet or substitute for daddy, nor my daughters are being trained to become substitute for mommy (I want these children to have their own lives, and get out of my house! graemlins/rofl.gif )
However, the religion of christianity is man-made and made made religion is a way of controlling people's lives. I read the bible on my own with the understanding of what God has given me, I go to church for fellowshipand guidance from an ordained minister of God. My children have a choice of how they want to worship. So far the christianity of what people believe is bad for black folk seems to be working fine for other races as well. I don't hear the Jews complaining about how they are being controlled still by Pharoah and his religion, Why? Well because they have developed their understanding that God is Bigger than religion and they have something to else to accomplish than pointing fingers at their enemies.
I've learned how to correct some of my forefather's past by breaking bad habits within myself. If others learned how to do the same the issue wouldn't be so black and white anymore.
[ August 23, 2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: DiscoLady ]
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
we know who we are we just don't know what we are and unlike Jews most of us won't sacrifice our present for our childrens future...Strong trees have strong roots
Sounds like the ticket. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm teaching my kids to rule all the lesser beings of this planet...Papa Psychopath thats me
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:14 AM
Relgion is the opiate of the masses - Karl Marx
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Relgion is the opiate of the masses - Karl Marx But it is nice to be amongst loving individuals...therein lies my dilemna
of course thats why i have my own church
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And BTW, 6 23 -
Two words that should never be placed one after the other in a sentence are BLACK and BITCH. No where in my comments will you find those two words in that manner. You're out of line. Okay ... You find those two words together out of line. I've found some of your comments 'out of line.' Somehow though I'm smelling an explanation for why I'm more out of line with my comments than you are. Ooh, ooh, and please throw in my Blackness somewhere in the explanation. I love those "and then the Blackness of it all was because" stories. graemlins/cheering.gif
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by DiscoLady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Cycles I see in many black familial relationships that are related to the topic...
1. Black women raise their sons to be their husbands. Black men raise their daughters to be their mistresses.
2. Black American culture is imposed on children without choice or option. - being taught WHAT to think as opposed to HOW to think.
3. Christianity, in all its rigid and inappropriate conditioning is still the cornerstone of black social conditioning.
4. Therefore, Christianity and all its mysognystic rigidity is at the foundation of the social, political and economic condition of blacks in America.
5. Based on the above, blacks in America have very little stimulus to provoke the development of cognition and free association. EMULATION and REPETITION is cheaper to teach/enforce and is easier to maintain and these are the two primary skills utilized by black Americans in the economic, social and political environs of the US. I don't know what Christian black families you've been around lately, but in my household my stance on Christianity is more than a religion. I teach my children intergrity first with biblical teachings. I also teach my children from other books and encourage them to read and watch the world around them. Other christians I know don't use the bible to control their family. I choose not to partake in some of what my husband does niether do I condemn him for it. My children still listen to music and live a child's life without me force feeding them bible teachings. I do not raise my family with the intentions of controlling who they are. My son will not be my pet or substitute for daddy, nor my daughters are being trained to become substitute for mommy (I want these children to have their own lives, and get out of my house! graemlins/rofl.gif )
However, the religion of christianity is man-made and made made religion is a way of controlling people's lives. I read the bible on my own with the understanding of what God has given me, I go to church for fellowshipand guidance from an ordained minister of God. My children have a choice of how they want to worship. So far the christianity of what people believe is bad for black folk seems to be working fine for other races as well. I don't hear the Jews complaining about how they are being controlled still by Pharoah and his religion, Why? Well because they have developed their understanding that God is Bigger than religion and they have something to else to accomplish than pointing fingers at their enemies.
I've learned how to correct some of my forefather's past by breaking bad habits within myself. If others learned how to do the same the issue wouldn't be so black and white anymore. </font>[/QUOTE]Yet you use a quote from Proverbs in your signature that implies that a woman has a PRICE, equating one to a material possession of men? As a woman, you didn't notice the mysogny in this?
Like I said, you have to see the chains in order to break them. Blackness and Christianity are both obsolescent in the black experience.
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And BTW, 6 23 -
Two words that should never be placed one after the other in a sentence are BLACK and BITCH. No where in my comments will you find those two words in that manner. You're out of line. Okay ... You find those two words together out of line. I've found some of your comments 'out of line.' Somehow though I'm smelling an explanation for why I'm more out of line with my comments than you are. Ooh, ooh, and please throw in my Blackness somewhere in the explanation. I love those "and then the Blackness of it all was because" stories. graemlins/cheering.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I'm curious as to why you intend to grind this very interesting and valuable discussion to a halt.
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Amazing
I offer anecdotal responses to this thread and it puts you in attack mode.
Bold Soul offers some cogent cultural analysis and he gets this.
There is obviously a problem for black women out there - surely your counteranalysis rises above the level of this?
Hysteria? - how 19th century of meSo what's the damage now? That we clearly have differing opinions and ways of expressing ourselves has not gone unnoticed by moi. Simply, I don't share the same beliefs or opinions you do about Black women.
Make that hysterical laughing ... Yeah, I've got that. icon_rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]"Hysterical laughing"..and you admit to that?...as an attempted parry to a pre-1980s insult of a womans capability to engage in intelligent debate??????
Thanks for catering to my pansexual feelings of superiority </font>[/QUOTE]Ooooh mi bum hurts from that one.
It smarts! It smarts! graemlins/mecry.gif
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
And BTW, 6 23 -
Two words that should never be placed one after the other in a sentence are BLACK and BITCH. No where in my comments will you find those two words in that manner. You're out of line. Okay ... You find those two words together out of line. I've found some of your comments 'out of line.' Somehow though I'm smelling an explanation for why I'm more out of line with my comments than you are. Ooh, ooh, and please throw in my Blackness somewhere in the explanation. I love those "and then the Blackness of it all was because" stories. graemlins/cheering.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I'm curious as to why you intend to grind this very interesting and valuable discussion to a halt. </font>[/QUOTE]Fact...hysterectomies were once used to cure hysteria...really, its a fact
"am i lying?" - D Hopper
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 09:29 AM
6 23 -
You one-upped my comment with some diatribe that implied I was on an "accuse the 'black bitch'" trip - which I was not, mind you - and now, instead of continuing with the discussion and allowing disagreement, you're just plain iggin'.
That doesn't fit with what I've noticed of you. What gives?
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
I'm curious as to why you intend to grind this very interesting and valuable discussion to a halt.Thinking to self: Maybe if I'm really quiet and stay in line he'll tell me. :fingers crossed emoticon: graemlins/cool_shades.gif
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You know my intent now? Whow - When did I tell you stopping the thread was it?
[ August 23, 2003, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
I'm curious as to why you intend to grind this very interesting and valuable discussion to a halt.Thinking to self: Maybe if I'm really quiet and stay in line he'll tell me. :fingers crossed emoticon: graemlins/cool_shades.gif
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You know my intent now? Whow - When did I tell you stopping the thread was it? </font>[/QUOTE]Okay - you're trippin'. I'm done. Thanks for everything.
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 09:33 AM
I got a lady who tells me to quit yellin' and screamin'. I tell her it's not that I'm shoutin'. It's that everyone else is whisperin'.
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Amazing
I offer anecdotal responses to this thread and it puts you in attack mode.
Bold Soul offers some cogent cultural analysis and he gets this.
There is obviously a problem for black women out there - surely your counteranalysis rises above the level of this?
Hysteria? - how 19th century of meSo what's the damage now? That we clearly have differing opinions and ways of expressing ourselves has not gone unnoticed by moi. Simply, I don't share the same beliefs or opinions you do about Black women.
Make that hysterical laughing ... Yeah, I've got that. icon_rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]"Hysterical laughing"..and you admit to that?...as an attempted parry to a pre-1980s insult of a womans capability to engage in intelligent debate??????
Thanks for catering to my pansexual feelings of superiority </font>[/QUOTE]Ooooh mi bum hurts from that one.
It smarts! It smarts! graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]some love balm on the splatterdeck will ease the pain and enhance the skin tone...really...but then aain you'd probably retort that I'm implying that whenever a woman steps up all she really needs is a good ****
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Buddy Love Show
08-23-2003, 09:52 AM
But back to the topic at hand
It is certainly easy to criticize the above article as another attempt by black males and the 'power structure" to drop another load of dirty laundry at the feet of black women. Unfortunately the article was written by a successful black woman and it dlineates a problem she sees in the state of black male and female relationships. Its interesting to note that some of these same issues now exist within the whilte male/female dynamic due to the dvances women have acheived becaus eof affirmative action. Because the income disparities are greater in the black community and the levels of poverty (and therefor self defense and coping mechanisms it engenders) are higher for blacks the effect on the male/female dynamic is more pronounced.
i for one welcome this discussion.
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
6 23 -
You one-upped my comment with some diatribe that implied I was on an "accuse the 'black bitch'" trip - which I was not, mind you - and now, instead of continuing with the discussion and allowing disagreement, you're just plain iggin'.
That doesn't fit with what I've noticed of you. What gives?I read this.
I can be lost on your approach and sarcasm, just as well as you can be on mine. I never assumed you were on a Black Bitch trip. If anything, I've questioned you to find as specific as possible a familiar frame of reference for your comments. As for 'iggin' I don't know what that means so I'll leave it be. I haven't allowed for disagreement? Don't assume that either 'cause I don't feel I'm halting dialogue in any way ... Then again, I generally feel that regardless of what a person says or how they say it ... responding to a thread shows involvement ...
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
some love balm on the splatterdeck will ease the pain and enhance the skin tone...really...but then aain you'd probably retort that I'm implying that whenever a woman steps up all she really needs is a good ****
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA icon_rofl.gif Is right ... but clearly for own separate reasons. Again with the references. I didn't have a clue what splatterdeck meant .. Balm? I was thinking lotion ... graemlins/cool_shades.gif
[ August 23, 2003, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: 6 23 ]
Bold Soul
08-23-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
6 23 -
You one-upped my comment with some diatribe that implied I was on an "accuse the 'black bitch'" trip - which I was not, mind you - and now, instead of continuing with the discussion and allowing disagreement, you're just plain iggin'.
That doesn't fit with what I've noticed of you. What gives?I read this.
I can be lost on your approach and sarcasm, just as well as you can be on mine. I never assumed you were on a Black Bitch trip. If anything, I've questioned you to find as specific as possible a familiar frame of reference for your comments. As for 'iggin' I don't know what that means so I'll leave it be. I haven't allowed for disagreement? Don't assume that either 'cause I don't feel I'm halting dialogue in any way ... Then again, I generally feel that regardless of what a person says or how they say it ... responding to a thread shows involvement ... </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, cool. Maybe I missed a question from you. I will remark that I couldn't understand your questions. This is the most concise comment from you I've had to go on yet.
A.G. then.
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
I got a lady who tells me to quit yellin' and screamin'. I tell her it's not that I'm shoutin'. It's that everyone else is whisperin'. Have you heard Dana Carvey's "She's choppin' broccoli" comedy bit ... That just reminded me of it. Funny stuff ... graemlins/grinyes.gif
Yes indeed a nice post, although this may not be the place for it (but I am not complaining cuz of 90% of my unrelated to music post)....
Here goes: (where's Glenn???)
It's our, the man not males, fault. The leader has been mentally wooped to death and is now giving up, instead of staying strong and thinking & acting higher. All things evolve back to The Creator, we better get there first before anything positive can come about.(generally speaking of course... :D )..
I cant speak on women, I dont know them and nor does any man on the planet.
I do know that many males dont stand for sh*t nowadays! mad1.gif As weak as the trends, most dont have discipline, vision, courage or stamina, belief, morals, things they wont do, unity, understanding in general....not enough to get us out of the present situation, that certainly seems true.
It's our fault, she's been taught by us to be a brute beast! Why we've taught her even worse than this (which says what we are) for even an animal looks after its brood! mad1.gif Pimping and the dumb given-to-us phrases lead to destruction!
Accepting responsibility is half the battle, more than half, and we wont even do this.
A woman, IN SOME WAYS, is very egotistical, I, I, I, but we have to provide better for them and this doenst mean money always, support and encouragement go a long way. But more importantly, our belief in The One is indispensable to us ever getting out of this together. She's watching and listening, but we aint doing sh*t and they're not either.
Great post Ron.....really...
Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
6 23 -
You one-upped my comment with some diatribe that implied I was on an "accuse the 'black bitch'" trip - which I was not, mind you - and now, instead of continuing with the discussion and allowing disagreement, you're just plain iggin'.
That doesn't fit with what I've noticed of you. What gives?I read this.
I can be lost on your approach and sarcasm, just as well as you can be on mine. I never assumed you were on a Black Bitch trip. If anything, I've questioned you to find as specific as possible a familiar frame of reference for your comments. As for 'iggin' I don't know what that means so I'll leave it be. I haven't allowed for disagreement? Don't assume that either 'cause I don't feel I'm halting dialogue in any way ... Then again, I generally feel that regardless of what a person says or how they say it ... responding to a thread shows involvement ... </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, cool. Maybe I missed a question from you. I will remark that I couldn't understand your questions. This is the most concise comment from you I've had to go on yet.
A.G. then. </font>[/QUOTE]Heh, heh ... Join the queue of possibly thousands who would agree ... Working it out, working it out.
Willingness being key right? biggrinangel.gif
Ronnie Ron
08-23-2003, 02:58 PM
Good responses from all...
graemlins/respekt.gif
[ August 23, 2003, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: RonnieRon ]
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