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Red D
12-17-2003, 04:36 AM
Last Friday they played here in Belgium, and although I have never been really convinced about their production work I thought I'd give it a shot and drove to Antwerp with some friends.

It was in a club I hadn't visited before, so it was nice checking 'new grounds'. The club was small and cosy, very basic and with a good crowd, probably the most mature crowd I ever saw in a Belgian club, but Mateo & Matos were a waste of my money and time and the very reason of the various 'house is dead'-topics on DHP... The same groove for hours and hours, very mediocre mixing, no enthusiasm whatsoever (they might as well been cutting tomatoes for all I know), total misery for my ears and eyes...

Respect is due, but I can't imagine this kind of thing doing any good for house music.

RD

AD
12-17-2003, 04:40 AM
Sorry to hear you had a miserable time, RD. I've never heard them live so I can't comment, but some of their productions are ok IMO. Maybe the next event will cheer you up. Take care.

[ December 17, 2003, 04:40 AM: Message edited by: Albert Diaz ]

DJ76
12-17-2003, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by Red D:
(they might as well been cutting tomatoes for all I know
RD graemlins/rofl.gif
Tomatoe House.
that's what you get when you classify too much.

Red D
12-17-2003, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
(they might as well been cutting tomatoes for all I know
RD graemlins/rofl.gif
Tomatoe House.
that's what you get when you classify too much. </font>[/QUOTE]Just wait till I send you my speeding in Scheveningen ticket...

smile.gif

RD

DJ76
12-17-2003, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
(they might as well been cutting tomatoes for all I know
RD graemlins/rofl.gif
Tomatoe House.
that's what you get when you classify too much. </font>[/QUOTE]Just wait till I send you my speeding in Scheveningen ticket...

smile.gif

RD </font>[/QUOTE]first I want that sexual healing CD :D

Cordell
12-17-2003, 04:57 AM
Damn. A musical letdown huh?

Red D
12-17-2003, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by Cordell:
Damn. A musical letdown huh? To say the least...

Don't get me wrong, there were a lot of decent tracks, but it was the lack of variety which made a 'soulful house' set completely soulless. It needed gritt and rawness instead of an overdose of niceness.

RD

quentin2bott
12-17-2003, 07:03 AM
When i was buying house music around 1995 they had a couple of good records.

discofan
12-17-2003, 08:47 AM
ooow you need to seeing the situation overthere in Bulgaria,at our, poor in foreign house artists scene, we had Terry Francis before a few days,it was representing like a great event and it was a realy big party,but can you explain-&gt;5 hours sounds without any voice, it was terrible for me :(

Klaus B
12-17-2003, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
(they might as well been cutting tomatoes for all I know
RD graemlins/rofl.gif
Tomatoe House.
that's what you get when you classify too much. </font>[/QUOTE]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzleeeeeeeeeeeeephouse......... graemlins/sleep2.gif graemlins/sleep2.gif graemlins/sleep2.gif

richierich
12-17-2003, 09:07 AM
Good post. Their music is very downtempo.IMO. I can't imagine listening to the same vibe all night long either. I have a few pieces by them that I love but that sound has a time and place in a party..JMO
Peace

Klaus B
12-17-2003, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by discofan:
ooow you need to seeing the situation overthere in Bulgaria,at our, poor in foreign house artists scene, we had Terry Francis before a few days,it was representing like a great event and it was a realy big party,but can you explain-&gt;5 hours sounds without any voice, it was terrible for me :( I feel sorry for you - Terry Francis, the King of Techhouse :rolleyes:

Is it mostly these kind of dj's you get from abroad? I hope that at least some good things are going on... smile.gif

drilla
12-17-2003, 09:29 AM
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought...

mdpm99
12-17-2003, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
(they might as well been cutting tomatoes for all I know
RD graemlins/rofl.gif
Tomatoe House.
that's what you get when you classify too much. </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/biglaugha.gif

d

Red D
12-17-2003, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD

O'love
12-17-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]or maybe they just like what they played ;)
or maybe they had an off-day?
or maybe they couldn't vibe of the crowd?

all kinds of possibilities, but in the end it's all about taste, which is subjective as hell...

Olaf, who doesn't like boring deephouse, but loves a lot of mateo&matos productions, especially "Idris rises" and "body&soul"

[ December 17, 2003, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: O'love ]

discofan
12-17-2003, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by Klaus B:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by discofan:
:( I feel sorry for you - Terry Francis, the King of Techhouse :rolleyes:

Is it mostly these kind of dj's you get from abroad? I hope that at least some good things are going on... smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]unfortunately-&gt; yes
i wonder,the people want softly and soulfull muzik,many local dj's play that kind of house,but promoters invite mostly "tech" "hard" artists graemlins/conf44.gif

DJ76
12-17-2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by O'love:
[QUOTE]Olaf, who doesn't like boring deephouse, but loves a lot of mateo&matos productions, especially "Idris rises" and "body&soul" ESPECIALLY Idris Rises and the remixes as well :D
Wicked wicked wicked.

YUJI-SAN
12-17-2003, 10:23 AM
some producers shouldn't be playing records...

drilla
12-17-2003, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff.

feel me?

you did say it was a small and cozy place...maybe they knew that going into the gig and brought loungy type recs...

JMJ
12-17-2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff </font>[/QUOTE]Is it the crowd's responsibilty to move the DJ or vice-versa?? I may need to rethink why I play......JMJ

drilla
12-17-2003, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff </font>[/QUOTE]Is it the crowd's responsibilty to move the DJ or vice-versa?? I may need to rethink why I play......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]it is both...there is a balance that needs to be caressed.

it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?

and vice versa?

it seems pretty simple to me.

[ December 17, 2003, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: matthew j ]

JMJ
12-17-2003, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff </font>[/QUOTE]Is it the crowd's responsibilty to move the DJ or vice-versa?? I may need to rethink why I play......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]it is both...there is a balance that needs to be caressed.

it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?

and vice versa?

it seems pretty simple to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Again, maybe I need to rethink this, but.....The CROWD doesn't owe you shit as a DJ. They PAID to hear you, and if you can't make them move, shame on you. Think of them as sheep and you (the DJ) as the herder. Who controls who?? It's not my job to wait until the crowd is ready to rock. It's my RESPONSIBILITY to take control and make it happen. If you are playing in an environment conducive to dancing, there is no "talky-talk" vibe unless you let that happen. The DJ controls the vibe, not the other way around.......JMJ

drilla
12-17-2003, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff </font>[/QUOTE]Is it the crowd's responsibilty to move the DJ or vice-versa?? I may need to rethink why I play......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]it is both...there is a balance that needs to be caressed.

it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?

and vice versa?

it seems pretty simple to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Again, maybe I need to rethink this, but.....The CROWD doesn't owe you shit as a DJ. They PAID to hear you, and if you can't make them move, shame on you. Think of them as sheep and you (the DJ) as the herder. Who controls who?? It's not my job to wait until the crowd is ready to rock. It's my RESPONSIBILITY to take control and make it happen. If you are playing in an environment conducive to dancing, there is no "talky-talk" vibe unless you let that happen. The DJ controls the vibe, not the other way around.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]we have differnt opinions on this subject.

Ish
12-17-2003, 12:06 PM
well, was it a dance club or a "lounge"?

I hate to say it, but if it was a lounge, and there was no true dancefloor, then the night was doomed for (you) from the get-go...

Not to say that many a DJ took a loungey croud and MADE them dance, that is what I would prefer always, but what I want may not be the same as this "boring" crowd that was in attendance.

It seems there really is a large contingent of people in many cities these days that enjoy soothing pretty house and expensive as hell drinks, and most of all, sitting down for hours at a time.

graemlins/shudder.gif

[ December 17, 2003, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: Ish ]

Jacques de Doozu
12-17-2003, 12:16 PM
where was it? club geluk? like the place. not a lounge!

TAD
12-17-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by matthew j:
it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?it's unnatural to have a room full of people & an empty dance floor. what might seem to you as people chilling might in fact be people waiting for that floor banger to get them moving. sometimes you have to entice people to dance even if it means putting on a record & going out on the floor yourself.

an empty dance floor is not an excuse to play loungy.

mhd
12-17-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff </font>[/QUOTE]Is it the crowd's responsibilty to move the DJ or vice-versa?? I may need to rethink why I play......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]it is both...there is a balance that needs to be caressed.

it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?

and vice versa?

it seems pretty simple to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Again, maybe I need to rethink this, but.....The CROWD doesn't owe you shit as a DJ. They PAID to hear you, and if you can't make them move, shame on you. Think of them as sheep and you (the DJ) as the herder. Who controls who?? It's not my job to wait until the crowd is ready to rock. It's my RESPONSIBILITY to take control and make it happen. If you are playing in an environment conducive to dancing, there is no "talky-talk" vibe unless you let that happen. The DJ controls the vibe, not the other way around.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]most djs would like to think that, fact is, it is a two way street, the vibe and energy goes both ways, i've seen it go both ways, where the dj will compel the dancers to get on the floor, i've also seen it where the dancers compel the dj to up the energy

[ December 17, 2003, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: mhd ]

Jamie 3:26
12-17-2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?it's unnatural to have a room full of people & an empty dance floor. what might seem to you as people chilling might in fact be people waiting for that floor banger to get them moving. sometimes you have to entice people to dance even if it means putting on a record & going out on the floor yourself.

an empty dance floor is not an excuse to play loungy. </font>[/QUOTE]What if the dj can not dance?Then what?

D J 1 3 8
12-17-2003, 01:59 PM
It's definitely give and take.

There's a point in a completely wack-ass night where you realize "OK. This crowd just doesn't want to dance, cuz I've played just about every kind of different thing I brought and I'm getting nothing" At that point, I play for myself (be it loungey or high energy or whatever. I rarely ever get to that point, but it's happened.

Usually I feel that the club just booked the wrong DJ for the crowd in question.

Cedric Woo
12-17-2003, 02:02 PM
"Last Foundation" off the " Deeper Dimensions EP"( Nite Grooves 96 ) is such a classic for me.

"NY Style" too, of course!

But they produced a lot of really bad music too!

I never heard them live, but if they play house all night, it for sur ain't for me!

C.

jpsf
12-17-2003, 02:08 PM
damn, everyone has their off nights. i've heard them on one of their on nights though.

if they play house all night i know it's not for me? this is the deep house page right?

seriously though, i like variety too. and it has become trendy. playing only house all night seems to no longer be trendy. but for a while it was all people seemed to want.

but in any case...i try (not always successfully) to avoid judging a dj or musician from one experience. just a though.

drilla
12-17-2003, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?it's unnatural to have a room full of people & an empty dance floor. what might seem to you as people chilling might in fact be people waiting for that floor banger to get them moving. sometimes you have to entice people to dance even if it means putting on a record & going out on the floor yourself.

an empty dance floor is not an excuse to play loungy. </font>[/QUOTE]i agree...that is what i meant by this balance that must be caressed.

there is a time and place for everything and it is the dj's job to figure out what time it is...

TAD
12-17-2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Jamie 3:26:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?it's unnatural to have a room full of people & an empty dance floor. what might seem to you as people chilling might in fact be people waiting for that floor banger to get them moving. sometimes you have to entice people to dance even if it means putting on a record & going out on the floor yourself.

an empty dance floor is not an excuse to play loungy. </font>[/QUOTE]What if the dj can not dance?Then what? </font>[/QUOTE]then he/she shouldn't be djing :D

suenomartino
12-17-2003, 04:17 PM
I find that international dj's are typically boring - playing to a crowd they don't know, booked by promoters with no idea, playing records aimed at appealling to the lowest common denominator, dj'ing in a different city every second night.. To be honest I dont know how the fuck they do it.

Some exceptions:

Louie Vega (dropping downtempo disco at a huge outdoor rave in the afternoon, props)
DJ Spinna just the other week (the guy was on fire, played everything from the clash to fela kuti)
Frankie Knuckles a few years back
Recloose (always eclectic, plays some pretty out-there stuff)

erd
12-17-2003, 04:46 PM
Heard them once or twice and they were...boring!
Love their Final Cut stuff though.
But why blame them to participate in the "DJ Circuit"? Producers have to feed their kids, too. There are so many more DJs out there that are even better at being boring (anyone likes the Pet Shop Boys?). Can't count them on fifty hands...

Peace.

Gerd

erd
12-17-2003, 04:48 PM
How come that they don't seem to play a lot in NYC?

Peace.

Gerd

kev
12-17-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by matthew j:
[QUOTE]that is what i meant by this balance that must be caressed.He said caressed

Mah'chew
12-17-2003, 06:49 PM
About 4/5 years ago they had some great mixes on their website site, from what I remember one of them played deep, with lots of quirky stuff and classics and the other played slowed down 4/4..

They've made some great records in there time, but I also agree, just like Sandy Rivera, they've made some shockingly abysmal music which say's nothing to me..

Listen for yourself http://www.mateomatos.com/Mateo&MatosDJMixes.htm

(Im)poster
12-17-2003, 09:45 PM
Again, someone said, and I agree, that it's not fair to judge DJs by one performance. I can never remember which one is Mateo and which one is Matos, but I got to hear the blond one play in Miami one year and what he played pleased me more than what I heard from a lot of other bigger names. I also tend to like their music, so maybe it's a preference based on a certain sound. Sorry you didn't enjoy the night, though.

la verde
12-17-2003, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Red D:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
"small and cozy" club with a "mature" crowd...

maybe the music called for the vibe, no?

i dig mateo and matos...those cats are on point when it comes to following the vibe...

maybe the "mature" crowd was boring???

just a thought... Fail to see why you'd blame a crowd for playing 4 hours of the same lame deep house grooves?

The warm-up dj got everyvbody started with a mix of old and new, disco and house, so why they brought it down like that is a mystery to me, well I've got a theory, but it's not a very positive one, it's the theory 'let's just play the stuff we make and the new stuff from our friends, take the cash and don't look back'.

RD </font>[/QUOTE]i was not blaming the crowd for anything...i was suggesting that maybe the crowd was boring.

my point here is that maybe the crowd did not move about alot, did not show any sort of excitement, did provide the selector with any reason to throw down the funky stuff </font>[/QUOTE]Is it the crowd's responsibilty to move the DJ or vice-versa?? I may need to rethink why I play......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]it is both...there is a balance that needs to be caressed.

it is natural to me...if a crowd is mellow and just chillin out all up on the talky talk vibe then why would you rock a floor banger?

and vice versa?

it seems pretty simple to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Again, maybe I need to rethink this, but.....The CROWD doesn't owe you shit as a DJ. They PAID to hear you, and if you can't make them move, shame on you. Think of them as sheep and you (the DJ) as the herder. Who controls who?? It's not my job to wait until the crowd is ready to rock. It's my RESPONSIBILITY to take control and make it happen. If you are playing in an environment conducive to dancing, there is no "talky-talk" vibe unless you let that happen. The DJ controls the vibe, not the other way around.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]there you go.. I knew you could do it........

Red D
12-18-2003, 04:38 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone, a lot of solid points are being made, but to clear some things up:

- it was a club, with a dancefloor and very few space to 'lounge', a low ceiling, good sound system, a crowd ready to dance and make it one to remember (me being one of them)

- the dj before them showed the way with a lot of superb classics and newer stuff, all very danceable and appreciated by the crowd, so they should at least have gotten the hunch

- furthermore the warm-up dj is a friend of theirs who even has a mix on their website and has worked for them in the past, he is Belgian so I expect him to have at least given some explanations about the club and crowd


So I fail to see why they would play 4 hrs of straight new soulful deep house without any attempt of variation whatsoever. And please stop that 'off-night' excuse, you can have an 'off-night' when it comes to tight mixing and getting into your vibe, but you cannot have an 'off-night' when it comes to selecting records, sorry, I don't buy that.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy some of their stuff, but when played for 4 hrs straight it becomes a music lover's deep house nightmare.

I may be slightly biased because the lack of dancing material caused me to spend a big paycheck on expensive drinks ;)

RD