Dave Bliss Fomer Coach At Baylor University

[Mike Barnes]

With all of the problems that the Baylor University Basketball program is having, Dave Bliss(The Head Basketball)coach resigned last Monday(Along with the Athletic Director), I feel very sorry for the family of the young cat who was killed(Patrick Dennehy), But the Baylor Basketball program was buckwild for years on the low, We can only remember how Lefty Driessel(Former Head coach at the University of Maryland)Ran that program for decades with all of the illegal things that went on at Maryland, But, It took a cat to pass away(Len Bias in 1986)before the Administrators at Maryland decided to take full responsibility for Lefty Driesell's actions which they(The Administrators definitely knew about(Through the years when Lefty Driesell was Coach, Top recruits were givin money, NEW CARS, Having Grades changed,Running Buckwild on campus,Etc,), I know a cat who graduated from the University of Maryland in 1983, And my man's brother worked in the Admissions and Records Department at Maryland from the Mid 70's to Late 80's), Also my man keeps in touch with Al King(Former Maryland Alltime Great From Brooklyn,New York), And Buck Williams(Former Maryland Alltime Great from Rocky Mount,North
Carolina), And my man has mentioned to me buckwild stories of what was happening at Maryland in the early 80's, going back to the mid 70's(When John Lucas played there), But, It took Maryland a very long time to get any type of credibility and respect that it never had in Lefty Dreisell's days there(On the low, Former Coach Bob Wade made it worst after he took over for Lefty Driesell in 1986), Dave Bliss came from what you would think good roots as far as respect and doing what's right is concerned, From his early years of being an assistant coach under Bobby Knight at Army in 1967, I remember Dave Bliss coaching at SMU University in 1985 when that team was nice(Very Highly ranked at that time along with Georgtown with Pat Ewing and Chris Mullin at St.John's) , With cats like Jon Koncak(He wasn't shit in the League/NBA, But in College he was rocking), And a cat who played in the backcourt named Carl Wright from Dallas,Texas , I felt Dave Bliss was a very good coach, I didn't hear anything bad about the SMU Program back then, But after Jon Koncak and Carl Wright Graduated in 1985, The Basketball program was going downhill(Not winning enough for the School Administrator's/Alumi), So I guess that lead Dave Bliss to step to the illegal side once he got to Baylor in 1999, And to think that The Administrators at Baylor are actually considering John Lucas for the Head coaches spot is comical to me, I find it very distrubing to ever think of any College Program(Division 1,2,3 or Junior College)considering a cat like John Lucas as a Head coach, Especially a Program that is in major Turmoil and trying to restore respect and credibility on the National scene. The reason i come hard at John Lucas is discipline wise, This cat is crazy weak, For those who remember, John Lucas was the coach who let Dennis Rodman do whatever he wanted in San Antonio, Including Dennis Rodman taking off his sneakers and cooling(Relaxing)on the bench during a playoff game(LOL), And Just last year, John Lucas had Lebron James practice with some of the players from the Cleveland Cavaliers(That shit is against League rules to have an High School cat running/Playing with your crew/Team)I have very little respect for John Lucas as a coach because i know the time(I know what to expect)with him, Hopefully, Someone in the Baylor University Program(School President)will reconsider and look for another cat who will add Intergity and Respect,Discipline, To that program, Someone like Bobby Cremins(Former Head Coach at Georgia Tech in the 80's and 90's).
Later
Mike Barnes

[mhd]

tight post, Mike,. the thing about lucas is he is a legend for his own athletic accomplishments, all american in tennis and basketball at Maryland, but more importantly, he beat the drug demon that has claimed so many others, most notably, len bias, so he has built this rep as a guy that can relate to troubled athletic geniuses. but you are right, Maryland was wild back in the day, but so were many if not most programs. the era you mentioned was also the time of Renaldo "Skeets" Nehemia, this cat was a legend and was treated like royalty, not to mention the honies jocking him. on the low, that part of maryland, Prince Georges County, was and is an extremely hostile place for black folks. I ran into Buck last month, the brother looks great. I also agree that Cremins would be a good pick

[frique]

first, i will grant that the coach of baylor university was in a huge mess, and if the news reports are correct, which i always question, the circumstances surrounding the tragedy could have been handled better. but he was put in a very uncompromising position that many coaches don't deal with. but the reports that came out afterwards about the rules infractions; i wnat to bring these rules into question.
i'm not down with coaches having influence over an athlete's academics, but these athletes do deserve special treatment. i mean, if an athlete belongs to a top flight program, i don't believe that a scholarship is enough for the amount of dollars that universities make in return. it's a screwed up system that needs to change. the coaches always get lambasted by the media for assisting athletes financially, but for the amount of work they put into their studies, and for practice time on the court, what time do they have for any sort of work on the side to make a little pocket change anyway. a lot of these athletes come from families that, if not for the athletic scholarship, would not be able to send their sons/daughters to college.
basically what i'm saying is that the system in place now for collegiate athletics needs to be altered. it's a numbers game, plain and simple. with the millions of dollars from attendance revenue and tv dollars these universities receive for these athletes' performance in the athletic arena, just a scholarship doesn't add up. i don't know the solution because, granted, it's a complicated situation, but something needs to be done.

[Mike Barnes]

Say Mark(MHD), I respect and admire that part of John Lucas's life that showed the strength and courage to get around the drug use that he was doing back in the 70's,80's, It's just the coaching part and discipline that has to be instilled in a College program(Especially dealing with young cats), That i cannot see him being down with. I definitely remember John Lucas during those years at Maryland(I heard he could have easily been one of the best Tennis Players in the world if he decided to go that route back in the 70's at Maryland), Renaldo Nehemiah, Was crazy nice in track back in the 80's(Renaldo Nehemiah used to run the Hurdles against Roger Kingdom who went to The University of Pittsburgh in the Early to Mid 80's/ I Know a young lady who used to go to Pittsburgh and she was seeing Roger Kingdom at the time, This MF/Roger Kingdom came around the way wearing an Olympic gold Medal around his neck on the street in Queens back in 1984(LOL), Lucky for him he did that shit in the day), I felt Renaldo Nehemiah had a very hard time playing football though, Especially with San Francisco in the late 80's, I heard that Buck Williams is still involved with Basketball on the coaching level(The College and High School game needs as many good people as they can get nowdays), On the Low, The reason why Bobby Cremins was cancelled(Well the School President asked him to step down, But you know the time), Is that Georgia Tech has very high academic requirements(Being one of the top Engineering schools in the Country), And After 1985 when Georgia Tech had there best crew(Mark Price,John Salley,Duane Ferrell,Bruce Dalyremple,Yvon Joseph,etc), Bobby Cremins had a very hard time recruiting cats because of the high academic requirements(Cats could not pass the entrance exams)Digger Phelphs went through the same thing at Notre Dame in the mid 80's(Only cat who was nice who passed the entrance exams was Dave Rivers out of New Jersey in the mid 80's), Bobby Cremins knows what it takes to run a College program(Something John Lucas does not know nothing about), Bobby Cremins learned the science(The game of Basketball)From Frank Mcguire at The University of South Carolina in the 60's, And Frank Mcguire passed on the knowledge to Dean Smith(So you definitely know the time money), And as far as recruiting is concerned, If Baylor's academic requirements are not that tough(Last i heard, Cats had to have at least a 2.5 GPA if your SAT score is not above 900, But, That could have changed through the years though), Bobby Cremins is originally from the Bronx, So he can get cats as far as recruiting is concerned, Also, Bobby Cremins is a very good judge of character when recruiting cats(Don't want any cats breaking into your dorm room stinging you for your jewels/Valuables(LOL).
Say Mark, Did you checkout the Rucker games on Classic sports last night money, FatJoe(Terror Squad crew)has a bomb squad my man(LOL), Cats like Rafer(Skip)Alston,Stephon Marbury,Al Harrington,Zack Marbury(Stephon's Brother)Kareem Reid, and others who i cannot remember right now, But the best part of the game was Rafer Alston against The Bone Collector(Handle Deluxe/But no Jumper though), Very funny shit, I seen your man Curt Smith from Washington,DC playing the other nite at the Rucker(On Classic sports network) with the cat who played for Maryland when they took it(Byron Mouton)Jerome Williams(Former Georgtown cat/Detroit Pistons), Curt Smith got crazy big(LOL), But he(Curt Smith played well though).
Later
Mike Barnes

[corwin]

Nice read, Mike.

Coming from SMU, with it's embattled football program and embarrassment the scandal and death penalty brought to the Southwest conference, you'd think that Bliss would have learned everything not to do. Apparently he learned how to be crafty from the masters. I wonder where he'll end up.

I agree with mhd that high-profile programs were buck wild back in the day. And many still are. If coaches are allowed to move on to smaller schools and rebuild their careers after such trangressions, I can't imagine things changing.

What message does this mobility (with coaches) send to players about integrity?

[ August 14, 2003, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: corwin ]

[Mike Barnes]

Say Frique, In reference to your comment,'athletes do deserve special treatment. i mean, if an athlete belongs to a top flight program, i don't believe that a scholarship is enough for the amount of dollars that universities make in return', Your most definitely right my man, But, Quiet as its kept, Cats who have an Atheletic Scholarship in any sport can have a summer job provided by the school(It's in the NCAA Rule Book), I remember cats like Chris Mullin,Walter Berry,Wille Glass,Shelton Jones,Mark Jackson, Having summer jobs as security guards at St.John's in 1984/85, Now, The pay can be way better than what a security guard is supposed to make, But that's up to the School Administrators(School President,Atheletic Director,Head Coach), Also, Alumni plays a very big part in cats having gap(Money), Especially if you have a job while on Scholarship(That's the soup up), What i mean is, Alumni cats can give you whatever they feel you may need(Along with the regular money you will get from your summer job), Shit, Cats can get 40,000(I'm Just throwing around this figure, But, Who is to say this never happened money wise)Just to work a $5.00 an hour summer job, As long as you don't say anything to anyone, who sill find out(LOL), Also, Be very modest with The money you get from Alumni(That's the reason school get caught doing illegal shit).
Later
Mike Barnes

[Mike Barnes]

Say Frique, Just to follow up on your comment about cats in college getting paid for there services Athletically to the School that they play for, Well, I look at it like this, If a system was to be put in place by the NCAA(Organized Crime)to provide cats the luxury of getting money, Will every player get the same amount, Or, Would the system(Cats getting paid)be based on performance, If you have a cat who does not get any run(No playing time)getting far less than the nicest cat on the crew(Team)Is that fair, What if the nicest cat on your crew comes from a very financially stable family(You do see that from time to time on the low), Who does not need the extra money, Who is rocking hard in the games, But, The cats a Freshman(Rocking Like Carmelo Anthoney did For Syracuse this past year), Then you have a cat who is a Senior who does not get any playing time(Last cat on the bench),But, The cat has an 3.8 GPA(Dean's List Student all 4 years in school), But this cats family is very poor, Is the process of the best cat on the team gets the most money fair, These situations have always been a problem to me in reference to cats getting paid(What's fair for everyone), Cats can say the cat who is generating the most money for the school should get the most money from the school, But, If that cats(the Star player on the team) Family is straight money wise compared to a cat who's family is living hard(Very little money)Financially, Then to me, That's not fair(But, What has being fair has to do with college sports anyway), Say Corwin, Your right in reference to your comment about Integrity in College Basketball my man, The NCAA structures it system just like the Mafia used to back in the 1930's, They(NCAA)are about Money and Organization, But the NCAA's form of organization
is to jerk or get as much money as they possibly can, Then, Flip it and make the average fan,Parents,Guardians, of the young kids Believe that they truely care about the Student Atheletes, When there's alot of money involved, There is no or very little integrity in place, And the NCAA only proves this everytime you see a College Basketball or College Football game and the coaches of these High profile programs going Buckwild(Some on the Low though), Then once a coach gets totally out of control(Way past the line where the NCAA cannot help them), Then there's a payoff by the School(ON the low) And a deal is made to keep that Program running, A coach once mentioned to me decades ago that the best deals are made behind closed doors, That shit is definitely true in reference to the NCAA(LOL).
Later
Mike Barnes
P.S. On the Low, Vinne Johnson(Alltime Great for the Detroit Pistons fame in the 80's,90's)is a Former Baylor Player Graduating in 1978.

[Cordell]

Don't forget David Wesley, the 2 guard for the Hornets (Baylor product).
I must admit, I love readin' Mike Barnes posts. Always on point.

[frique]

mike, being a former college athlete, you definately know more about this issue and have definately shed some light on me. i've just always questioned the whole system of college athletics because of the amount of money these universities are making and then heauring about players and schools being sanctioned for the smallest of infractions. i didn't take into account what alumni associations and groups of that sort can do, nor do i have an NCAA rulebook in front of me. i guess the media just blows a lot of these situations out of proportion and the way the system is now, granted not perfect, is really the way things have to be done; just keep shit quiet.
what do u think when athletes themselves, like the baylor situation, implicate themselves on the wrongdoings of their particular school. i think it's kind of stupid. if you are getting certain advantages, perks, what have you, i agree with u. don't flaunt it, and keep your mouth shut. nobody plays by the rules; get used to it, and if you can, get over.

[ August 15, 2003, 01:31 PM: Message edited by: frique ]

[corwin]

And the plot thickens....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/2003/08/15/bliss_reports_ap/?cnn=yes

[Fletch]

Do I smell obstruction of justice charges against Bliss? Stay tuned. Peace.

[ August 16, 2003, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: einnod23 ]

[corwin]

I just found the infamous transcript. How low can you go?


Transcript of conversatiions recorded by Baylor assistant coach Abar Rouse with former Baylor head basketball coach Dave Bliss on July 30.

BLISS: Tell me how you think it went with (Player 1).

ROUSE: He's on board.

BLISS: You think?

ROUSE: Yep.

BLISS: Do you think he'll say whatever it takes?

ROUSE: I think so. I'm almost sure.

BLISS: See, (Player 2) will do the same thing. And that's what I told . . . . I don't know if he called him yet. And I think (Player 3) will say whatever it takes.

ROUSE: With (Player 1) I think we're pretty safe.

BLISS: We'll help (Player 1) after we get out of all this.

ROUSE: I told him I said you know you're going to be in good shape with coach. I told him don't worry about anything.

BLISS: I told you what you need to think of is how you're gonna spend some time with the lawyers. Our whole thing right now, we can get out of this. Reasonable doubt is there's nobody right now that can say that we paid Pat Dennehy.

Because he's dead.

So what we have to do is create the reasonable doubt. And then I'd aged about thirty years two months.

ROUSE: I know, I know.

BLISS: The thing is I got like 30 years I never talked to an NCAA guy, and that stands for something. And the thing about it is what the lawyers wanna do is all they gotta handle is 2,000{M6 for the down payment and 7,000 for the tuition.

. . . What we gotta create here is drugs. Once we do that, there are reasonable doubts. So here's the thing we gotta do, and you think about this overnight. Did (Player 1) tell you any stories after I left or anything like that? Did you want him to tell stories, because what we want him to do, we want him to tell stories to Underwood that end in as an example, "You know, coach (inaudible) a ballplayer." What we have to decide is whether we want (Player 3) and (Player 1) go together or if we want them to say the same thing. And maybe (Player 2) say something that's different. (inaudible) What we need to do is they tell the story that, "we been going out to Dennehy's apartment, you know, we'll go up there and we'll smoke some weed, and drink some stuff, have some ladies up there. Then this one time I went out, this was like the middle of May, and we went up there and Pat walks in and all of a sudden on his tray obviously there is whatever, it was like all kinds of wild shit . . ."

ROUSE: I'm assuming it's a regular mushroom, but...

BLISS: OK, but you get my drift, and then what happens, they walked in and they put the tray down, OK, and when they put the tray down, and Patrick said something like, "We'll have some fun tonight. And we're going to let the other guys pay for it," and he brings out his roll, brings out his roll of hundred dollar bills.

ROUSE: I'm with you. I'm with you.

BLISS: So what happens is, the perception is that he's doing other shit at the same time?

ROUSE: Exactly. And so that's where he gets money, and that's where he . . . but they don't have to know where it comes from?

BLISS: They don't have to know anything. All these guys have to do is tell what they saw. They don't have to fabricate something. But what we want to do is have decided whether we want two of them to agree or three of them to agree or one to agree to one story, one to agree to another story. (Player 2) might have had some different stories with him. (Player 1) and (Player 3) might have had (Inaudible) and he hasn't been there and what he does he goes out with them and all of a sudden they're driving around dropping shit off and that's when he gets mad. And he stresses "listen ****ers get me out of this car. Take me back, I'm not getting involved in this shit."

ROUSE: That sounds believable. That sounds believable because all the people are still talking about threats. And that leads back to the threats.

BLISS: That's kinda where I get it from.

ROUSE: That sounds pretty good. I mean that makes sense. I think it's logical that if (Player 2)'s on board.

BLISS: (Player 2) will throw himself on a grenade. That ****er'll lie when the truth's easier. (Player 2) will do anything. And the reason is, cause we did it for (Player 2). We stuck up for (Player 2). That's why we're in this jam. We stuck up for (Player 2). I said there's no threats, and all those people got pissed at me. Meanwhile, you know what Dotson's done? Well, he's taken back his plea of guilt and arguing against whether I took his scholarship away now. Is that son-of-a-bitch loony?

ROUSE: I know. I know. I seen some of the media reports, but I'm just, like, coach told me don't read the papers anymore.

BLISS: You have to read the paper just for the (inaudible) of knowledge.

ROUSE: To know what's out there. So, and that's what I told Coach Ash. Them people keeps coming up and saying stuff and I said, "Coach, Turk is talking now."

BLISS: You know what he said, though, he intimated, that word he used "intimated," that the coaches helped with the car.

But he doesn't have that right now. You know, he intimated to me that (inaudible) tell me again, tell me how many times you talked to (Player 1) after you left here.

ROUSE: I just talked to him (inaudible). I just wanted to spend another like hour with him just to let him know. We talked about that for like a couple more like minutes when I got over to his house just, you know, basically this is going to be all right. This is going to be good for us, for the program. That brought a smile to his face. Look, you're getting off, you're gettin' off scot-free, so you just need to relax.

BLISS: He tells us the story that he told us today about (inaudible), and what we do is give him the kicker. And we have him talk about the fact he brought up a roll of money. Cause then he has to only remember one thing.

ROUSE: The plate? And uh.

BLISS: The plate, you know, he's that kind of (inaudible), because around the middle of March he started bringing out (inaudible)

ROUSE: Does that mean he's going to have to do this this week?

BLISS: No, what do you think about trying to prepare them for Monday?

ROUSE: That's good. I think he just needs a couple of days to get it straight. I don't want him to go in there and be on fire. What kind of questions, I mean, are they going to ask him questions on this?

BLISS: See, the thing about it is. Let's think about this. Here's his story. All of that's his story. This is the only part he's gotta remember. So he tells his story, and his story includes this. So all he's got to remember is a little bit. So he can tell about the fact he's been up there like five or six times — that's what (Player 3) told me. So he's just got to remember a little bit.

ROUSE: How was (Player 3)? Was he all right?

BLISS: He was solid. Oh, yeah. Coach Ash gave you and me the opinion that he wouldn't do it, and when I sat him in there it's funny I said to (Player 3), (Player 3)'s got himself looking good now because of his girlfriend, got his hair permed and styled, whatever. And I said to him I said you know I said (Player 3) I want you to know that I'm not going to hold you accountable for this stuff, but what I want you to do is tell me, tell me the things I need to know. So he's the one actually that kind of told me a lot of this stuff about, you know, he'd go up there about five or six times, and really it was only those guys. He stopped doing it about the middle of May and stuff, because he could see that Pat was going off the deep end, and even if (Player 3) gets implicated in this shit by somebody else, you know that says I know a lot like that Kethley, cause she ...

ROUSE: What about (Player 4)?

BLISS: You know, (Player 4)'s thing might come out tomorrow. And the only thing about it, (Player 4)'s mother says these guys were doin' drugs. Carlton. I don't know if the paper's going to write up Carlton, (Player 1), (Player 5), (Player 6). So what's going to happen is that people are going to say, "Nah! This is an angry lady. Her son flunked out of Baylor and she's . . ."

ROUSE: She's got a reason to be mad, and just wants to be on TV.

BLISS: Yes, she's got a reason to be mad.

ROUSE: What about Melissa?

BLISS: She's not credible. We're gettin' beat up by noncredible persons.

ROUSE: With (Player 1), (Player 2) and (Player 3). With three people saying it, they gotta believe it.

BLISS: The thing about it is, we can't send (other players) in there cause those guys don't do drugs.

ROUSE: Plus these guys have been here. So it makes perfect sense they know something because they were here during that time. Hey yeah, they might have been up there.

BLISS: You have to have reasonable doubt.

ROUSE: I think it's good. I mean did you talk to Coach Ash. Did he punch holes in it?

BLISS: Yeah, but the thing about it, he's like you and I are, you know, as long as those guys don't have to remember a lot, all they gotta remember is, you know, they can tell the story, you know, "we were went up there and everything and all of a sudden he walked out with that tray and it had everything on it that you can imagine. And I knew something different was up. And, uh, then he pulled out his roll of bills and when he pulled out his roll of bills, it scared us and we never went back. At that time we were afraid for ourselves. And we didn't want to lose our scholarships, and we didn't want to be associated (inaudible)." Then (Player 2) comes in, and those guys have already left now (Player 2)'s their friend as you know because (Player 2)'s starting to hang out with those guys. Then what we've got to do, I haven't heard (Player 2)'s story, but (Player 2) will tell me his story, and then we'll put the kicker in, a smorgasboard, and then the roll of bills.

I'm sorry I'm putting you through this.

ROUSE: Don't worry about that. I'm right here. I'm right here with you. We're in this together, and don't worry about that. I promise.

BLISS: You're one of those ones, you know, you and Rodney got a future in coaching and that's why we gotta win this. And we ARE going to win. And I'll tell you, I just spent two hours with our lawyer, he's a bitch, and that's what he told me. Just get me reasonable doubt. He said, this is the first time he's ever had an NCAA investigation with a dead person. So we don't have to have overwhelming evidence. All we gotta have is any reasonable doubt, because I got 30 years in the business with no bad track record. Now we got somebody that's off the wall, we gotta couple of people that are angry.

ROUSE: We got people who are grieving, angry. They want a sounding board, number one, and they wanna make somebody look bad. They wanna blame somebody, and this is the only way they can get back. I mean, certainly, the people (inaudible), the powers that be know that. They believe that, right.

BLISS: Right now, it's at a point where everybody's getting beaten up so badly, all we want to do is win the war. We aren't going to win every battle, like Mrs. *** and shit like that, but there's not a lot more out there. They're going to bring up something from my background 20 years ago when I was part of the SMU thing? The SMU football team got the death penalty. I was coaching there at that time, and they came in and talked to me, and it wasn't even the NCAA. Just the university attorney. They only talked to me like a half an hour, and I never had any other words with them again. So even though they bring that up, the thing about it then, I wasn't guilty then, obviously. Twenty years ago, and I've been clean ever since. I've never talked to an NCAA person. So that's what I'm trying to say to you guys, and the only thing about is we gotta be tough during all this. You know the thing that Rodney's gotta be, Rodney's gotta be tougher than he is. I wish I had you going in there instead of Rodney, to tell you the truth. You're tougher than he is. Right now he gets so defensive about things.

ROUSE: You know he's just worried. He thinks because his name's in the paper so much that people are out to get him. Cause you know he thinks we're not getting any contracts.

BLISS: Don't even worry about that. You know, our contracts are going to be fine. The thing about the contract, you know, even the contract, if you get the contract, it says that if you commit an NCAA violation, you're gone anyway. So you don't even have to worry about it.

ROUSE: I'm ready. We're gung ho. Let's go get 'em.

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[corwin]

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[Mike Barnes]

Say Cordell, Good lookin with the very kind words my man,(And also about the information concerning David Wesley going to Baylor/ I did not know about that), Your man Will Bynum(From Chicago)transfered to Georgia Tech this past December, And he will be eligible around Thanksgiving time of this coming season, On the low, The reason why Will Bynum transfered From the University of Arizona is Lute Olson(The Head Coach)recruited another cat in the backcourt by the name of Mustafah Shakur, Who is one of the top Players in the country at his position(Point Guard), And I heard that Lute Olson mentioned to Will Bynum that his playing time was going to get cancelled(No run), Quiet as its kept, Lute Olson only recruited Will Bynum as insurance just in case Jason Gardner got hurt or went Pro(Which he did think about last year, But was exposed hard at the Chicago Camp last year), I don't think Lute Olson truely wanted to develop Will Bynum as the Guard of the future at Arizona(Even though Will Bynum was very highly recruited coming out of High School), Because Lute Olson would not have recruited Mustafah Shakur, Also, It's a little known coaching rule that says, To Always give your current players a chance to develop for two years, Before you recruit another top player at that position(It's best to wait unitl a cat is a Junior before you recruit another Cat at that position for recruiting Purposes), Especially if the cat your are recruiting is one of the top players in the country, Because, Upperclassman will feel threatened that his spot will be had(Lose his spot)to a Freshman(Especially if the Freshman's nice with his), And the upperclassman's chance to develop will be cutoff, Paul Hewitt(The Head Coach at Georgia Tech)is very happy to have Will Bynum in his program(I think Will Bynum has 3 years of eligibility left, Because he transfered before playing seven games at Arizona), Say Frique, In reference to your question, About Athlete's implicating themselves on the wrongdoings of their particular school, Cats feel talking junk about what a school has done for them like giving them money,women,Drugs(It's been done), New Houses,Moms or Pops Top Positions in Companies,News Cars,etc, Make them feel invincible To those that they talk junk to(There crew/Friends or anyone who will listen), That's how the NCAA agents find out about cats who have received special gifts from schools, Rather than just keeping quiet, and saying nothing to nobody, The sad part is when a cat Gets caught for taking money while he was in school say 10 years ago, The school will be put on probation for a few(Depending on how much you payoff the NCAA with), The number of scholarships you can offer potential recruits are taken away until the probation period is up, And, The school does not get to play in any post season tournaments(NCAA,NIT,Conference Tournament), And for a cat who has Pro potential, He will not get the opportunity to showcae his talents for the many Pro scouts and coaches during that time of the year,(And to the rest of the cats on a team hit by probation, That will never have the chance to play in a NCAA tournament or Play in the NIT, That shit means alot), But, A cat that talked shit about getting money when he played 2,3 or 10 years ago, Will go through life knowing that he had his chance to play and graduate(Hopefully), Not caring about the rest of the cats who will come behind him in school who will be greatly affected by his mistakes.
Later
Mike Barnes

[The Real Dragonfly Jones]

Dave Bliss = Scum!

[MC]

Man this guy needs to be hung in town square!! graemlins/cussing.gif AR15firing.gif graemlins/bolt.gif

[Dave K]

He is one hell of a guy. And some people wondere why these kids don't stay 4 years.