Not to offend any Chicago heads

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

But i really want to know something.Ever since someone posted that video of those people tossing racist names in that hot dog store i have been very curious.Is there overt racism in Chicago?It seems as though its pretty much alot of racism?The whites live on one side the blacks live on the other side.That video certainly helped me think that way even more.That would never fly here in ny,the racism here is more hidden.

Maybe its a class thing,can someone explain please.Again im sorry if you feel offended.

[VanillaSexy]

But i really want to know something.Ever since someone posted that video of those people tossing racist names in that hot dog store i have been very curious.Is there overt racism in Chicago?It seems as though its pretty much alot of racism?The whites live on one side the blacks live on the other side.That video certainly helped me think that way even more.That would never fly here in ny,the racism here is more hidden.

Maybe its a class thing,can someone explain please.Again im sorry if you feel offended.

If I could live anywhere it would be there. It is very racist here, especially in the city of chicago. We are actually going through the enviable now because the white people are taking the city back and the black folks are being shifted (through section 8 and low-income vounchers) back to the burbs or further south. I look at alot of things from New York and I do say diversity is well acceptable there. I went natural a couple of years ago and people look at me like I'm crazy here. I got most of my inspiration from a gang of videos
(you tube) from New York and other states. I wish they would make the cities more diverse like Oak Park but they are smart because they know only a select few make the real money to buy anything in a certain area. :mad1:

[Big Ken]

Naw man, Chicago is one of the most racist cities in the country.

[doinitdoinitproductions]

Sure there is overt racism in Chicago. Across the board. City services, i.e police response, street lights, pot holes. But as was the case in that video; I would say those things don't really happen frequently. However, I would say there are those instances when it would seem as though, full on hate-fest could happen.

Also, these instances would happen in some places more than others, but then again, I would honestly as a human being like to say that it [overt racism] is not one-sided.


A.

['Magic' Juan]

Peep it:

http://www.chicagohistory.info/stories/daley/racism.html

Also do a search on "Chicago Black Belt."

-M J

[fred da warrior]

I don't think Chicago is any more racist (overtly or covertly) than anywhere else in the country.....

[jojaujae3]

Mos Def, Chi-Town is a very racist city. And we have the GR8ST idiot for MAYOR!
Yeah, I said it. SO WHAT!!!

I see why Daley and Bush are good friends. Like minds think alike. Even with idiots.:biglaugha:

[VanillaSexy]

Mos Def, Chi-Town is a very racist city. And we have the GR8ST idiot for MAYOR!
Yeah, I said it. SO WHAT!!!

I see why Daley and Bush are good friends. Like minds think alike. Even with idiots.:biglaugha:

I was watching the history channel yesterday about the year 1968 when the Democratic Convention was here. You could hear Daley's father screaming racist remarks about anybody running that wasn't white. They actually choose our city because we had the roughest and most strong armed cops. Still to this day and that was almost 40 years ago.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Interesting from historical standpoint.Vanilla we have our problems here also,a loft condo just went up around the corner.So whats happening is if you aint rich or upper middle class you are gonna have a hard time in NY.But that diversity is one of the reasons i like this city.I can walk through brownsville and then walk through the upper east side without a problem.I went to California needless to say Beverly hills wasnt like that.

[TonyB]

I don't think Chicago is any more racist (overtly or covertly) than anywhere else in the country.....

^^^Neither do I. I like my city just fine....problems and all. Racism is EVERYWHERE. Just because you may see folks of different persuations in other cities residing side by side, does not mean that racial tensions do not exist.

[VanillaSexy]

Interesting from historical standpoint.Vanilla we have our problems here also,a loft condo just went up around the corner.So whats happening is if you aint rich or upper middle class you are gonna have a hard time in NY.But that diversity is one of the reasons i like this city.I can walk through brownsville and then walk through the upper east side without a problem.I went to California needless to say Beverly hills wasnt like that.

Your lucky then because there's only one class here. RICH!!!! I use to be middle-class now I'm poor. They just put a higher tax on liquor here almost 50%. I still do what I want though because that's just my attitude about life. I go to any restaurant I want to go to and any type of club but I still get those eyes like I from a different planet.:jpshakehead:

[Jamie 3:26]

^^^Neither do I. I like my city just fine....problems and all. Racism is EVERYWHERE. Just because you may see folks of different persuations in other cities residing side by side, does not mean that racial tensions do not exist.

Hell,go to the south...it's a different world.Found that out some years ago when we stayed in some hick town in Georgia for Freaknic one year.

I'll never forget that experience.

[Terry James]

NY racism is more hidden? I've experienced 2 situations in NY that were very racist...but I know it can happen anywhere not just NY. You have races, you have racism. I've seen it all over, US, Europe, Africa, etc

[Kristel 75]

New York and its burroughs are nice in that regard (its diversity). Also, your public transportation system is far superior to ours. I was surprised given that I was so used to segregated areas and crummy public transport. I like some things about Chicago, but I am really starting to get tired of living here. I guess it's because I've been here all my life.

[VanillaSexy]

New York and its burroughs are nice in that regard (its diversity). Also, your public transportation system is far superior to ours. I was surprised given that I was so used to segregated areas and crummy public transport. I like some things about Chicago, but I am really starting to get tired of living here. I guess it's because I've been here all my life.

Amen to that. :grinyes:

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

No trust me im poor too vanilla.My whole check damn near goes towards rent.Do you know what i could get in delaware for what im paying in rent here?My girlfriend has three bedrooms a doorman and a pool and pays under $1,000 dollars.I guess everyone has their own perception of what racism is.When i get stopped for just walking down Nostrand Avenue by black and white cops thats when i feel it.

[TAB.]

Racism may not be any more or Less, than NYC, but the segregation, is what it is. I had a problem with it, when I returned from the Military, because I had got used to living in diverse communities.

You learn to live with it.

[TonyB]

Hell,go to the south...it's a different world.Found that out some years ago when we stayed in some hick town in Georgia for Freaknic one year.

I'll never forget that experience.

Jamie,

I'm well-versed in the ways of some of small towns in Georgia. My sister has lived there for the last 25 years, and only recently stopped trying to get me to move down there. I'd much rather somewhere with the racist I know, than to catch a case for beating the hell out of some hick that does not even have the sense to keep their bigotry to themselves. Hell, you can be a bigot (I don't care)...just don't get all comfortable with verbally dishing your racism directly at me. Some of the brothers in the south acted like we were still living in the early 19th century --- afraid and deferrential to white folks....just because they're white. Fuck that!

[Jamie 3:26]

Jamie,

I'm well-versed in the ways of some of small towns in Georgia. My sister has lived there for the last 25 years, and only recently stopped trying to get me to move down there. I'd much rather somewhere with the racist I know, than to catch a case for beating the hell out of some hick that does not even have the sense to keep their bigotry to themselves. Hell, you can be a bigot (I don't care)...just don't get all comfortable with verbally dishing your racism directly at me. Some of the brothers in the south acted like we were still living in the early 19th century --- afraid and deferrential to white folks....just because they're white. Fuck that!

I feel ya TB...with both hands.

[VanillaSexy]

No trust me im poor too vanilla.My whole check damn near goes towards rent.Do you know what i could get in delaware for what im paying in rent here?My girlfriend has three bedrooms a doorman and a pool and pays under $1,000 dollars.I guess everyone has their own perception of what racism is.When i get stopped for just walking down Nostrand Avenue by black and white cops thats when i feel it.

I think the most devastated experience I have ever had was this:

I was about 16 and I will admit I like to shop at stores that were further out basically where the rich lived. I found it oddly strange that the same stores in Chicago were more expensive than the one's in the rich neighborhoods. Anyway.........I was shopping at DOTS (a cheap women's clothing store) in Bloomingdale, IL. I was in the store for about two hours trying to pick out school clothes for my sisters. I knew I was the only black girl in the store but it was nothing strange to me about being there. Suddenly two white police officers approached me and asked me to leave the store. I asked what had I done to deserved this and they blatently told me "the manager was uncomfortable with me in the store." I mean I had always heard about racism but this was real. I was so hurt and I was crying...........I couldn't believe this was still going on in America. I wish I would have sued their asses but it wouldn't have help the humilation I felt. :madani:

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Girl i know what you are talking about.I like to do my food shopping out of this neighboorhood.I get better deals at Dagastino's by the job.I remeber this price differece thing on an episode of the Cosby Show.You should have sued the shit outta them.

[Kristel 75]

The price difference thing should be a class action lawsuit next to food and other service quality differences.

[TAB.]

I'm sure the cab thing in NYC is problably the same as it is here. Trying to get a cab from a party at 3 in the morning is very challenging. It's even more blatant when cabs are picking up white patrons from the same party you just came out of and leaving you standing there, waving your arm.

[fred da warrior]

Explain the differences (someone in Chicago preferably) in racism between David Dinkins\Harold Washington's mayoral run or the difference in the neighborhood boundaries of Bensonhurst, NY - Cicero, IL, or cops like John Burge torturing Black men with cattle prods and the cops in New York shooting Black men 41 times or sticking a plunger in someone's ass......

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Oh yes it is.Dont be in a group with you and your boys.We have a cab getter,John.He knows the routine after the party.Stand in the street hail the cab and we get in.And the sad thing is alot of the time the cabbies are african immigrants.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

There is no difference.The NYPd is a racist organization and so is just about every police organization in the united states.

[Suspended]

Oh yes it is.Dont be in a group with you and your boys.We have a cab getter,John.He knows the routine after the party.Stand in the street hail the cab and we get in.And the sad thing is alot of the time the cabbies are african immigrants.


A black cab driver in London once told me he hated picking up black people because they never tipped and always asked for a discount, followed by the old '...but I'm your brother' line. He just couldn't be bothered with the hassle.

[deepsouth]

Hell,go to the south...it's a different world.Found that out some years ago when we stayed in some hick town in Georgia for Freaknic one year.

I'll never forget that experience.

voice from the south here........

southern hospitality DOES exist, but unfortunately, racism seems to as well. it really pisses me off too, because people (racist) presume that because you live down here that you too must agree with them.

my vote is that racism in the south is worse.

[TAB.]

Oh yes it is.Dont be in a group with you and your boys.We have a cab getter,John.He knows the routine after the party.Stand in the street hail the cab and we get in.And the sad thing is alot of the time the cabbies are african immigrants.

True here, too. You looking at brothers driving those cabs, like "damn, if you fearful, you can put your sheild up!"

[kaaos]

Chicago is very segregated by choice. Mexicans, whites and blacks choose to live in their own neighborhoods.

When I went to LA for the first time it was culture shock for me cause on one block i saw a Korean black white mexican and Arab family all living on the same block

[Suspended]

i saw a Korean black white mexican

Punctuation please, you had me wondering how the F someone could be that visibly mixed race :rofl5:

[Stan747]

The blacks are the lowest on the totem pole here in Chicago...mainly the less fortunate blacks.

When people speak of racism in Chicago the first thing that come to many people's mind is the white on black racism, but it goes so far beyond that.

The city is very segregated across racial lines and by financial status. I feel it has a large influence on how many people think, and relate to others outside of their race and outside of their neighborhood.

The documentary named "The Last Boss" is a very good documentary on the history of Chicago and the rise of the Daley family.

Living in Chicago has made me very bitter towards blacks (because of the way we treat each other) and not very trusting of whites, Mexicans, Asian Indians, and people of Arab descent. Many Africans aren't such a bed of roses either. They'll accept the women, but find excuses to exclude the men.

The attitude here is very plantation. I was going to elaborate on this but I won't, because as hard core as many people on this board claim to be, they can't always take the truth. We can be pitted against each other very easily.
The blacks that are successful and living well in this city can be colder to the poor black people than whites.

Many of the black poor people are so out of touch until it's just a disgrace. It's due to not being exposed, which IMO comes from not being giving a chance. In corporate America the black male gets no props.

Before I went to New York city for the first time, I was told the blacks there were a lot more educated, talented, and interesting...due to the fact that they had been exposed to more cultures than us. Not to mention there was a lot more freedom on many levels, in New York. When I went to New York to see for myself, I was very shocked at how the blacks there perceived many of the midwestern and southern blacks. I won't bother going into details on that.


Sometims when the white, and Mexian executives and the white CEO at my company, speak to me, I just look at them without saying a word.

[Edith A. Giles]

Living in Chicago has made me very bitter towards blacks (because of the way we treat each other) and not very trusting of whites, Mexicans, Asian Indians, and people of Arab descent. Many Africans aren't such a bed of roses either. They'll accept the women, but find excuses to exclude the men.



IN MY OPINION, Stan...

The ONLY reason SOME Chicago whites, Mexicans, Asian Indians, Arabs, and Africans accept The Black women to an extent is because they think they might have a chance to get some, if you know what I mean.

I ONLY thought about coming home to The Chi because this is where most of my family is. Now there ARE some good people of different races in Chicago, but we STILL got a VERY long way to go.

[Stan747]

Chicago is very segregated by choice. Mexicans, whites and blacks choose to live in their own neighborhoods.

When I went to LA for the first time it was culture shock for me cause on one block i saw a Korean black white mexican and Arab family all living on the same block

segregated by choice?! what! It's the foundation that the city is built on. when blacks try and move to a neighborhood that's all white, they tend to find crosses burning in their front yards. If they moved to a area that's all Mexican, they will find hostility there too. In spite of the fact that Mexicans have an African heritage of their own.

Sometimes racist folks get fooled when they run across a black that's mixed and they think that black person is something else...then that racist start talking about how they feel about black people. This happens sometimes when mixed blacks move into areas on non blacks.

[Edith A. Giles]

Chicago is very segregated by choice.

SEGREGATED BY CHOICE?!?! :conf06:

I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!! :jpshakehead:

[kaaos]

Punctuation please, you had me wondering how the F someone could be that visibly mixed race :rofl5:



:lol::rofl5:

[kaaos]

SEGREGATED BY CHOICE?!?! :conf06:

I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!! :jpshakehead:


is any one forcing any race to live where they live?

Speaking from the Mexican side, many of my family chose to live int the pilsen or little village neighborhood cause they feel at home there...their choice. they can afford to move out but chose not to. in fact they are feeling a bit squeezed by yuppies in pilsen.

[Steven Stewart]

SEGREGATED BY CHOICE?!?! :conf06:

I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!! :jpshakehead:

It is true. Chicago is a city of immigrants who migrated here and moved in neighborhoods where the people were from where they were born. Hence you have neighborhoods that are predominantly Lithuanian, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic and African American.

[Edith A. Giles]

is any one forcing any race to live where they live? by gun point or something?

Let my black ass move over to Bridgeport or Cicero and see how long I last there...:stupid:

[Stan747]

Let my black ass move over to Bridgeport or Cicero and see how long I last there...:stupid:


...thoug Bridgeport has changed since the 1960s I stil don't know if I'd want to move there

[Edith A. Giles]

...thoug Bridgeport has changed since the 1960s I stil don't know if I'd want to move there

Exactly...
Even now in damn near 2008, I wouldn't even wanna VISIT somebody who was living there, not even in broad daylight.

[Stan747]

Exactly...
Even now in damn near 2008, I wouldn't even wanna VISIT somebody who was living there, not even in broad daylight.

Actually, one night when I was out(back in the summer) we drove through there on Halsted street coming from the west side (Wallace cat fish where they have a live blues band outside) and there were was a black guy with some white guys coming out of an eatery.

[kaaos]

Let my black ass move over to Bridgeport or Cicero and see how long I last there...:stupid:

There are blacks in bridgeport now and cicero is not chicago. But i hear what you re saying. my point was say a move from englewood to 55th and pulaski. many prefer to live where they do becausethey feel more confortable with their own race

[Edith A. Giles]

There are blacks in bridgeport now and cicero is not chicago. But i hear what you re saying. my point was say a move from englewood to 55th and pulaski. many prefer to live where they do becausethey feel more confortable with their own race

I don't care if my neighbors are white, black, green or whatever as long as the area is safe, the rent or mortgage is reasonable and don't have to deal with rats, mice, or roaches, I'm good.

As for Bridgeport...I hope that the whites there didn't start moving away because of us moving in...
Chicago is VERY notorious for that (remember how WHITE Marquette Park once was?
As soon as WE moved in, the white folks started moving out.)

[kaaos]

I don't care if my neighbors are white, black, green or whatever as long as the area is safe, the rent or mortgage is reasonable and don't have to deal with rats, mice, or roaches, I'm good.

As for Bridgeport...I hope that the whites there didn't start moving away because of us moving in...
Chicago is VERY notorious for that (remember how WHITE Marquette Park once was?
As soon as WE moved in, the white folks started moving out.)

I lived around that park in the 80s. It was bad for any non white around that area. lots of NEO NATZI assholes around there. as a light skined mexican, I was left alone prolly cause they thought i was white. I used to go fishing there.

[Edith A. Giles]

I lived around that park in the 80s. It was bad for any non white around that area. lots of NEO NATZI assholes around there. as a light skined mexican, I was left alone prolly cause they thought i was white. I used to go fishing there.

I remember when I was living on 70th place and Damen; Black folk couldn't go west of Western when it got dark because of a chance of getting beatdown by SOME of the white folks living there

[Stan747]

I remember when I was living on 70th place and Damen; Black folk couldn't go west of Western when it got dark because of a chance of getting beatdown by SOME of the white folks living there


Edith, I feel bad you had to live in that type of environment. It's sick!

[Edith A. Giles]

Edith, I feel bad you had to live in that type of environment. It's sick!

It IS sick...

I was brought up to show love for EVERYBODY, no matter what color you are...

...but then as soon as that pedophile (my mother's ex-boyfriend) stepped into the picture, it suddenly became a problem for me to listen to rock and have a crush on Duran Duran.

Racism on ALL accounts (White on Black, Black on White, etc...) is WRONG!!!!!

[TAB.]

I remember when I was living on 70th place and Damen; Black folk couldn't go west of Western when it got dark because of a chance of getting beatdown by SOME of the white folks living there

I lived in that same area, in from 80-82. Sometimes my friends and I ventured across 67th Western, just to see if we could rile those folks up. Nothing like having a 8 year girl tell you to get on your own block.

Here's a vivid memory. The White Bus drivers would take over, driving the CTA bus, west to Ford City, in those days. If you've been away from the southwest side by 15 years, you'd be amazed at how far the color line moved, since.

[Edith A. Giles]

I lived in that same area, in from 80-82. Sometimes my friends and I ventured across 67th Western, just to see if we could rile those folks up. Nothing like having a 8 year girl tell you to get on your own block.



yeah, I remember that all too well...My brother and his boys were riding on their bikes (his bike was suppose to go to me when he got tired of it, but it got stolen :mecry:, but anyway...) and they almost got hit with either rocks or bricks or something...going west of Western and 69th.

[kaaos]

i lived on 60th and Artesian (1 lock west of Western) basically the border line. i had a black friend who lived on 60th & wood back in the breakdancing days.He lived on the black side of the border an me on the white seperated only by blocks. His name was Wady. He used to come over and practice in my garage with me and my brother and other friends. We got threats from our neighbors saying stuff like

" if you let them play here next thing you know we will be surrounded by blacks!" "some thing might happen to you guys by accident if he continues to hang out around here"

My father used to get so pissed at them by basicly telling them to fuck off. it was his house and no one tells him who his kids can play with.

We did get our front window busted by a brick.

[Edith A. Giles]

back in the early 90's I had a Mexican-American friend from work and one day, she invited me to her house for her birthday celebration, Now mind you, she lived on 53rd and Spaulding. I was nervous at first because I didn't know how her family would react to her bringing a Black person into their home, and I didn't know how their neighbors would react to seeing a black person in the area, but when I got there, They were so nice to me and anytime I would visit, they'd always make sure I was doing well...

Unfortunately, I ended up losing contact with her when she quit and found another job :frown:. She'd probably flip out if she saw me in my uniform...

[Chip_E]

I moved out of the city long ago....but remember back when....

It was about '80 or '81, I lived at 87th and Calumet (a Black community near the Dan Ryan expressway). One of my neighbors went to Luther South High School (a private school on west 87th street, past Western Avenue).

We'd been to "sock-hops" there before, and were usually dropped off there and picked up. Well this time dude forgot to tell his mom to pick us up. Party was over and we had no way home but our feet. There weren't any busses running and we had nobody to call. So we started walking...about 3 or 4 of us. We weren't big and threatening, and it was the '80s we were dressed preppy and shit. I'm thinking we were all like between 13 and 15.
Anyway, I remember just about every car that passed had some hated racial message for us. ALL the way to Western Ave.

There's a section past Western Ave. called "K" town. Supposedly because all the streets start with "K", but maybe it's just a coincidence.

-e.

[kaaos]

I moved out of the city long ago....but remember back when....

It was about '80 or '81, I lived at 87th and Calumet (a Black community near the Dan Ryan expressway). One of my neighbors went to Luther South High School (a private school on west 87th street, past Western Avenue).

We'd been to "sock-hops" there before, and were usually dropped off there and picked up. Well this time dude forgot to tell his mom to pick us up. Party was over and we had no way home but our feet. There weren't any busses running and we had nobody to call. So we started walking...about 3 or 4 of us. We weren't big and threatening, and it was the '80s we were dressed preppy and shit. I'm thinking we were all like between 13 and 15.
Anyway, I remember just about every car that passed had some hated racial message for us. ALL the way to Western Ave.

There's a section past Western Ave. called "K" town. Supposedly because all the streets start with "K", but maybe it's just a coincidence.

-e.

K town

past kedzie thru pulaski

[Fletch]

Let my black ass move over to Bridgeport or Cicero and see how long I last there...:stupid:
I remember watching Eyes on the Prize, where Dr. King tried to intergrate Cicero, and was greeted with what we in New York call "The Bensonhurst Salute!"

Is it still like that in Cicero?

[Edith A. Giles]

I remember watching Eyes on the Prize, where Dr. King tried to intergrate Cicero, and was greeted with what we in New York call "The Bensonhurst Salute!"

Is it still like that in Cicero?

When I get home, I'm not trying to go over there and find out,
Given their racist history, it probably still is...

[Stan747]

Once we get rid of that certain group of blacks(the ones that are systematically keeping less fortunate blacks from getting ahead financially) I honestly feel the real blacks can move ahead, because everything will fall into place.
This will not be accomplished without the most ruthless force.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

When I get home, I'm not trying to go over there and find out,
Given their racist history, it probably still is...

Cicero has a large Hispanic population now. You want to know racist areas? Orland Park is the most Racist in the south burbs. It's not the Chicago racism, it's the "hurry yo azz back home n*gga, we don't want you even thinking about moving out here" look whites give you. I have gone to many places out there shopping and it tickles me that some white people will go out of their way to look at me nasty and since I always have a smile on my face (these days anyway) it repels them.

The worse racism I've encountered was with other black people. I've been in some areas on the South Side and South burbs and black folk can be more nasty towards Hispanic, Indian, Asian Arabic etc. I've been to places where I will hear them call out racial slurs and then would beat a white man down for calling them a n*gga. I think it's a shame that we fought for our rights for years and we have the nerve to terrorize others.

Racism in Chicago ain't just White and Black. Some of Ya'll need to quit playing victim :rofl:

[TAB.]

I remember watching Eyes on the Prize, where Dr. King tried to intergrate Cicero, and was greeted with what we in New York call "The Bensonhurst Salute!"

Is it still like that in Cicero?

The footage was actually of his March into Marquette Park.

[Stan747]

i lived on 60th and Artesian (1 lock west of Western) basically the border line. i had a black friend who lived on 60th & wood back in the breakdancing days.He lived on the black side of the border an me on the white seperated only by blocks. His name was Wady. He used to come over and practice in my garage with me and my brother and other friends. We got threats from our neighbors saying stuff like

" if you let them play here next thing you know we will be surrounded by blacks!" "some thing might happen to you guys by accident if he continues to hang out around here"

My father used to get so pissed at them by basicly telling them to fuck off. it was his house and no one tells him who his kids can play with.

We did get our front window busted by a brick.

This post really pissed me off, because your black friend's family had serious issues for allowing him to cross that border. Blacks have serious self esteem issues period, and they wonder why I don't want to be associated with them.

If that would have been my son and I caught him on the other side of that border I would have done everything in my power to make him disappear from the face of the planet so it would have looked like a mistake.

[Suspended]

I think it's a shame that we fought for our rights for years and we have the nerve to terrorize others.
:rofl:

Its just further proof that we are all the same, all guilty, all able, all victims, all perpetrators, all possessed by the same good and evil. The only thing that changes is circumstance, regardless of colour, creed etc

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Its just further proof that we are all the same, all guilty, all able, all victims, all perpetrators, all possessed by the same good and evil. The only thing that changes is circumstance, regardless of colour, creed etc

Just think if more folk understood that :rolleyes:

[Stan747]

against arabs, whites, hispanics, asians?

We're not talking about silly name calling.

How many black businesses hire whites, hispanics, asians, etc.? How many whites, asians, hispanics, etc have black bosses?

[Suspended]

Just think if more folk understood that :rolleyes:

We can only dream...never in our life time. :jpshakehead:

Maybe we should accept 'balance' as nature. Perhaps good can only truly be appreciated through the existence of evil. Maybe a cohesive utopia is something that could never ever be....maybe that much 'good' would bore us shitless :conf44:

We're too complicated to understand love is the remedy :conf06:

[rhodey]

The blacks are the lowest on the totem pole here in Chicago...mainly the less fortunate blacks.

When people speak of racism in Chicago the first thing that come to many people's mind is the white on black racism, but it goes so far beyond that.

The city is very segregated across racial lines and by financial status. I feel it has a large influence on how many people think, and relate to others outside of their race and outside of their neighborhood.

The documentary named "The Last Boss" is a very good documentary on the history of Chicago and the rise of the Daley family.

Living in Chicago has made me very bitter towards blacks (because of the way we treat each other) and not very trusting of whites, Mexicans, Asian Indians, and people of Arab descent. Many Africans aren't such a bed of roses either. They'll accept the women, but find excuses to exclude the men.

The attitude here is very plantation. I was going to elaborate on this but I won't, because as hard core as many people on this board claim to be, they can't always take the truth. We can be pitted against each other very easily.
The blacks that are successful and living well in this city can be colder to the poor black people than whites.

Many of the black poor people are so out of touch until it's just a disgrace. It's due to not being exposed, which IMO comes from not being giving a chance. In corporate America the black male gets no props.

Before I went to New York city for the first time, I was told the blacks there were a lot more educated, talented, and interesting...due to the fact that they had been exposed to more cultures than us. Not to mention there was a lot more freedom on many levels, in New York. When I went to New York to see for myself, I was very shocked at how the blacks there perceived many of the midwestern and southern blacks. I won't bother going into details on that.


Sometims when the white, and Mexian executives and the white CEO at my company, speak to me, I just look at them without saying a word.

Wow I thought I was crazy. I was in Chicago about 13 years ago on a work assignment. It was my first time there. I was training at a very large and well known brokerage firm. The first thing I noticed was that there were none of “US” not one in the entire office of 100+ people. Not even the receptionist….

Next while backing back to my hotel room with a white coworker I was getting these crazy looks from the black folks. Now I m not a mind reader but it seemed like they were not used to seeing a Black man in a suit walk down the street with a whieman in a suit. But then I was like Nah can’t be…it’s 1994 and we are in the heart of a major cosmopolitan city. Then I looked around and realized there were NO brothas in suits….

The last incident was on the cab rideback to the airport. I was in the cab with I white coworker who (I thought) asked a harmless question in response to directions that the cab driver gave. I”ll tell you the driver had the look of HATE in his eyes. As I get out the cab he tells me to “NEVER Agree with one of THEM?” I’m like WTF?! Maybe he had some bad experiences… but the Hate coming off of him was like nothing I had ever seen before.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Stan im very sorry you feel that way.But know that people are just people.Some good and some bad.Yes there is racism but you cannot let that hinder your success in life.

[D J 1 3 8]

most cities I have been to in the US are more racially segregated geographically than NYC.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Wow I thought I was crazy. I was in Chicago about 13 years ago on a work assignment. It was my first time there. I was training at a very large and well known brokerage firm. The first thing I noticed was that there were none of “US” not one in the entire office of 100+ people. Not even the receptionist….

Next while backing back to my hotel room with a white coworker I was getting these crazy looks from the black folks. Now I m not a mind reader but it seemed like they were not used to seeing a Black man in a suit walk down the street with a whieman in a suit. But then I was like Nah can’t be…it’s 1994 and we are in the heart of a major cosmopolitan city. Then I looked around and realized there were NO brothas in suits….

The last incident was on the cab rideback to the airport. I was in the cab with I white coworker who (I thought) asked a harmless question in response to directions that the cab driver gave. I”ll tell you the driver had the look of HATE in his eyes. As I get out the cab he tells me to “NEVER Agree with one of THEM?” I’m like WTF?! Maybe he had some bad experiences… but the Hate coming off of him was like nothing I had ever seen before.

The big turn off of Corp America for me was I too was one of "them" that some of the black people in the company disliked. They felt that I was hob nobbing with the white people just to gain favor. Considering that I did work with the execs of the company I was around them all of the time. I remember one of the underwriting assistants was talking about me out loud one day at lunch "Oh she too good to sit with us, she work on Exec row and think she is an exec." WTH? don't let me get started with the whites that had to come thru me to get what they needed.

[TAB.]

Stan im very sorry you feel that way.But know that people are just people.Some good and some bad.Yes there is racism but you cannot let that hinder your success in life.

A lot of us have not let Chicago's Racism hinder us, we just got stories-thats all. As a Black man, I can tell you. I don't run when I'm downtown-even if I'm late. :rofl:

[djmarbll]

against arabs, whites, hispanics, asians?

We're not talking about silly name calling.

How many black businesses hire whites, hispanics, asians, etc.? How many whites, asians, hispanics, etc have black bosses?

Excellent point. People tend not to know the difference between prejudice and racism. Name calling and seeing black successful in popular culture does not equal racism or the lack thereof in education, employment, housing, or the criminal justice system. When the Black Panthers called the cops "pigs", they weren't being racist. They were giving a name to an expressed feeling based on the history of how cops treat blacks. I see so many people think that blacks can just as racist as whites because blacks call whites names or don't live in white neighborhoods, because there are poor whites, or because Oprah exists. This is incredibly flawed thinking and totally dismisses the concept of racism within a class system. We always talk about the underprivileged and less fortunate, but never mention the overprivileged or overfortunate (those who have too much of what they didn't work for or deserve). If we have that conversation, then we'll be getting somewhere because racism isn't based on hatred (contrary to popular belief), its based on upholding a certain set of privileges that have been bestowed on a certain set of people at the extent of other types of people. Because at the end of the day, since race isn't a scientific construct, but a social one, racism is a social construct as well, perpetuated (often subconsciously) by people who have been the beneficiaries of a system of privilege, but are taught to believe that racism only exists in extreme circumstances or because of hatred, which is overtly false.

[Edith A. Giles]

Cicero has a large Hispanic population now. You want to know racist areas? Orland Park is the most Racist in the south burbs. It's not the Chicago racism, it's the "hurry yo azz back home n*gga, we don't want you even thinking about moving out here" look whites give you.


The worse racism I've encountered was with other black people. I've been in some areas on the South Side and South burbs and black folk can be more nasty towards Hispanic, Indian, Asian Arabic etc. I've been to places where I will hear them call out racial slurs and then would beat a white man down for calling them a n*gga. I think it's a shame that we fought for our rights for years and we have the nerve to terrorize others.

Racism in Chicago ain't just White and Black. Some of Ya'll need to quit playing victim :rofl:



Orland Park...That doesn't surprise me.

...And as far as Blacks being nasty toward Hispanics, Asians, and Arabs...I've seen it first hand myself; when I a kid, I'd hear ONE of my aunts refer to Asians as "c****s",Puerto Ricans as "s***s" and Mexicans as "w******s",
Yet she would raise holy hell if any of them even thought about calling her a "n*****".

How in the hell can we demand respect from Whites when we turn around and disrespect each other?!?!?

[TonyB]

Excellent point. People tend not to know the difference between prejudice and racism. Name calling and seeing black successful in popular culture does not equal racism or the lack thereof in education, employment, housing, or the criminal justice system. When the Black Panthers called the cops "pigs", they weren't being racist. They were giving a name to an expressed feeling based on the history of how cops treat blacks. I see so many people think that blacks can just as racist as whites because blacks call whites names or don't live in white neighborhoods, because there are poor whites, or because Oprah exists. This is incredibly flawed thinking and totally dismisses the concept of racism within a class system. We always talk about the underprivileged and less fortunate, but never mention the overprivileged or overfortunate (those who have too much of what they didn't work for or deserve). If we have that conversation, then we'll be getting somewhere because racism isn't based on hatred (contrary to popular belief), its based on upholding a certain set of privileges that have been bestowed on a certain set of people at the extent of other types of people. Because at the end of the day, since race isn't a scientific construct, but a social one, racism is a social construct as well, perpetuated (often subconsciously) by people who have been the beneficiaries of a system of privilege, but are taught to believe that racism only exists in extreme circumstances or because of hatred, which is overtly false.


^^^Excellent post!

I might add, all of the negative experiences that have been discussed about living in Chicago can be attributed to living virtually anywhere in the U.S. I have yet to visit a utopian city where racism and/or bigotry exists. Also, I have never been one to subscribe to the notion that 'the man' is not gonna let me do x,y,z. There are opportunities to get ahead for everyone, should they apply themselves. Some of us may have to work twice as hard as others and have less connections, but that should never discourage anyone from doing all that they can to improve their standards of living.

[djmarbll]

Chicago is very segregated by choice. Mexicans, whites and blacks choose to live in their own neighborhoods.

When I went to LA for the first time it was culture shock for me cause on one block i saw a Korean black white mexican and Arab family all living on the same block

This is not altogether true. Neighborhoods in Chicago, like many other cities were "red-zoned" out so blacks and other people of color within the same financial class as many whites would be discouraged from living in certain neighborhoods. The strategic placement of the construction of the highways that lead to the suburbs in many cities were direct examples of white flight (whites leaving areas where too many people of color reside and having the privilege of getting highways built so they could bypass black and Latino communities on their way to work and back home).

[djmarbll]

is any one forcing any race to live where they live?

Speaking from the Mexican side, many of my family chose to live int the pilsen or little village neighborhood cause they feel at home there...their choice. they can afford to move out but chose not to. in fact they are feeling a bit squeezed by yuppies in pilsen.

How do you think they came to that "choice"? Whites aren't burning crosses on lawns to keep blacks and Latinos out. Red-zoning and housing discrimination has done a much better job of that. So you must understand that the choice for Mexicans to stay in Pilsen is most likely a second choice, because red-zoning and housing discrimination already made the first one. Also, take notice how the yuppies are having no problem moving into Pilsen, or Harlem or Bed-Stuy for that matter. That alone should tell you there's an unequal disconnect when it comes to housing and who can live where.

[The White Shadow]

Naw man, Chicago is one of the most racist cities in the country.

I get that impression too, and the same thing in Milwaukee which isn't far away from Chi. Very different from NY like Silky said. Not that it doesn't exist in NY both ways, cause oh yeah it does.

I remember when it was time to catch a cab in NY anyone in the crew who was black would stand on the sidewalk, and it was my job to run out in the street and grab a Taxi, then when I'd done that, and the cab had stopped the crew would jump out, cause it was too late for the cab to just leave...lol..but sometimes the drivers would understand what was goin' on and I was told to get the fuck outta there and they would drive away..say wtf?? That's crazy. Also I knew people who would just grab random folks on the street and beat the shit outta them cause they were white, and some Italians who would do the same thing to black people. Sad but unfortunately true.

[TAC]

Chicago (the city itself) gave me the creeps.... There was this underlying negativity that I sense. Couldn't put my finger on it, but it was just there.

Evanston, North of the city, was a nice town. However, I don't think Chicago is a place that I would want to live.

[djmarbll]

It is true. Chicago is a city of immigrants who migrated here and moved in neighborhoods where the people were from where they were born. Hence you have neighborhoods that are predominantly Lithuanian, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic and African American.

Those neighborhoods weren't always that way. Chicago has a history of segregated living based on wanting to not only stay with your own kind, but keep all others unlike you out of the neighborhood. The Germans might not have wanted to stay close to the Irish initially, but neither wanted blacks in their neighborhood. And whole neighborhoods were created to initially keep blacks and Latinos away from whites. Have you ever seen pictures regarding the racial make-up of Hyde Park or Washington Park before the 1950's? They were basically white suburbs.

[TAB.]

Chicago (the city itself) gave me the creeps.... There was this underlying negativity that I sense. Couldn't put my finger on it, but it was just there.

Evanston, North of the city, was a nice town. However, I don't think Chicago is a place that I would want to live.
The Creeps you felt is about right. When I lived in on the North Side of Chicago, I used to work and spend a lot of time in Evanston. I actually considered moving out if Chi-town, to Evanston, many times.

[TAB.]

Those neighborhoods weren't always that way. Chicago has a history of segregated living based on wanting to not only stay with your own kind, but keep all others unlike you out of the neighborhood. The Germans might not have wanted to stay close to the Irish initially, but neither wanted blacks in their neighborhood. And whole neighborhoods were created to initially keep blacks and Latinos away from whites. Have you ever seen pictures regarding the racial make-up of Hyde Park or Washington Park before the 1950's? They were basically white suburbs.

Folks also forgetting the History of Bronzville. How many dacades were Blacks 'contained' there. Even if you had money, you could not live anywhere else. No one would sell or rent to you.

[djmarbll]

Its just further proof that we are all the same, all guilty, all able, all victims, all perpetrators, all possessed by the same good and evil. The only thing that changes is circumstance, regardless of colour, creed etc

The problem is a system of privilege still exists for whites in this country, no matter how equal in stature we think we are. Just 40 years ago, 2/3 of the prison population was white. Now 2/3 of that prison population is black. Do you think whites commit less crimes now? Until people start to realize racism is an institutionalized system and not name-calling or other childish displays of human ignorance, we won't get any further. I'm African-American and if I call any white, Jewish, Latino, Asian, or Arab a name, that doesn't make me a racist, it makes me stupid. If I keep any white, Jewish, Latino, Asian, or Arab person from getting a house in my neighborhood, a job where I work, an education, or a fair trial, then I am a racist by definition. Let's not confuse prejudice and stupidity with racism because there is a huge difference.

Prejudice= name calling, bigotry, displays of stupidity based on prejudging others you might not know anything about.

Racism= the power to implement ideals, laws, and oppression based on a false theory that others are beneath you, based on the false social construct of race.

From Tim Wise:

Racism as an Individual, Rather Than Institutional, Phenomenon

While most persons of color conceptualize racism as an issue of structural injustice, whites often seem to view it as nothing more than a personality flaw, present in only a small handful of especially damaged individuals, and hardly worth worrying about in the larger social sense. I first came to understand the difference between white, as opposed to black and brown understandings of racism, when I worked in the campaigns against neo-Nazi political candidate, David Duke, in the early 1990s. Even the white folks who opposed Duke and voted against him--sadly to say, a minority of whites in Louisiana at the time--largely viewed the problem to be Duke himself. In other words, if we could just derail his efforts to become a U.S. Senator, or Governor of the state, then we'd done our job, and all was right with the world. The notion that Duke was merely symbolic of a larger problem with white racism in the state and nation--and that indeed, his policy ideas (welfare cut backs, ending affirmative action, immigration restrictions) were coming to be viewed as legitimate, and even implemented in one form or another around the nation as systemic realities--was clear to blacks in the state. But to whites, Duke wasn't symbolic of anything larger. He was the issue. The fact that persons of color were facing racism every day, from police, the schools and employers, among other sources, rarely and barely intruded into the consciousness of white Louisianans at the time.

More recently, with high-profile cases of individual bigotry surfacing, as in the examples of actor/comedian, Michael Richards and radio personality, Don Imus, the nation's awareness of individual level racism has been raised yet again. But at the same time that these men's personal biases were made visible to anyone with a television, the media was almost entirely ignoring the persistent evidence of racism as an institutional phenomenon. So there was no coverage, nationally, of the report from the Department of Housing and Urban Development, to the effect that 2006 had witnessed the highest level of housing discrimination complaints in recorded history. Nor had there been any national coverage of, or outrage over, the 2004 study in a respected medical journal, which noted that between 1991 and 2000, there had been nearly one million African Americans who had died, who wouldn't have died, had they merely had health care equal to that of their white counterparts. Though persons of color are painfully aware of these structural injustices, whites are largely oblivious, convinced that individual bad people are the problem to be solved: convenient, of course, since it allows those whites to avoid responsibility for their involvement in a system of inequality. So long as they don't toss around racial slurs or burn crosses, everything, to their way of thinking, is fine.

[Edith A. Giles]

Folks also forgetting the History of Bronzville. How many dacades were Blacks 'contained' there. Even if you had money, you could not live anywhere else. No one would sell or rent to you.

Thank you for bringing that up, TAB. :respent:

Too many people don't know the history behind Bronzeville.
Before the "civil rights" bill was passed, Bronzeville was the Black Metropolis of The Chi back in the day because we were'nt allowed to live anywhere else.

I wish more people would drop some facts about Bronzeville; that area has so much good history.

[fred da warrior]

The Creeps you felt is about right. When I lived in on the North Side of Chicago, I used to work and spend a lot of time in Evanston. I actually considered moving out if Chi-town, to Evanston, many times.


Nobody ever got their ass whooped in Rogers Park, huh? How diverse is Skokie and Lincolnwood?


Chicago cats kill me with the Second City bullshit....like I said, it's no more or no less racist or the racial boundaries are less pronounced than anywhere else....

[Edith A. Giles]

Nobody ever got their ass whooped in Rogers Park, huh? How diverse is Skokie and Lincolnwood?


Chicago cats kill me with the Second City bullshit....like I said, it's no more or no less racist or the racial boundaries are less pronounced than anywhere else....

Thanks for bringing this up, Fred because I have heard first hand about the race-related horror stories about Skokie and Linclonwood, neither of which I would venture in , not even in broad daylight, as well as parts of West Rogers Park.

[djmarbll]

^^^Excellent post!

I might add, all of the negative experiences that have been discussed about living in Chicago can be attributed to living virtually anywhere in the U.S. I have yet to visit a utopian city where racism and/or bigotry exists. Also, I have never been one to subscribe to the notion that 'the man' is not gonna let me do x,y,z. There are opportunities to get ahead for everyone, should they apply themselves. Some of us may have to work twice as hard as others and have less connections, but that should never discourage anyone from doing all that they can to improve their standards of living.

Thanks TonyB, and what you said is absolutely correct. I'm just tired of people equating name-calling with racism.

When Don Imus called the women's basketball team at Rutgers "nappy-headed ho's", thats racist for the simple fact of exploitation, oppression, and discrimination blacks have faced at the hands of whites.

Now lets flip the script, when Jesse "I'm a Boule" Jackson called NYC "Hymietown" in 1984, they called him a racist. But wait, how many Jewish people have been exploited, oppressed, or discriminated against at the hands of Blacks. Moreover what system or organization exists that has spied on Jews that speak against Blacks?

The Anti-Defamation League has spied on many blacks who even mention Jews in a negative light, even when the info presented is true, such as Tony Martin, Paul Robeson Jr., Fred Hampton Jr., Steve Cokely, Ashra Kwesi, Louis Farrakhan, Khalid Muhammed r.i.p., Ben Chavis, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and many others. There is no black organization in existence that has that kind of capability to do the same when Jews, conservatives, or anyone that makes negative comments about blacks. The NAACP, Urban League, and CORE don't even count because they're heavily financed by Jewish people, and its hard to spy on yourself.

Its a shame that countless blacks and whites, including several on this page can't make the distinction between name-calling, racism, stupidity, and oppression. As you said TonyB, there is no Utopia where racism doesn't exist. As progressive and racially mixed NYC is, we still have Amadou Diallou, Sean Bell, Yusef Hawkins, and tons of others that the media didn't mention or don't even care about. Until we start to dialogue about racism for what it truly is, nothing is gonna change. Having black friends, singing Kumbaya with black people, eating jerk chicken, going to a Public Enemy concert, shopping at the African fest in Washington Park or in Brooklyn, watching a Fela documentary, disliking Archie Bunker, or trying to get people to "erase the hate" will NOT give whites the concept on how to help destroy racism, because nothing I mentioned gets at the core of what racism stems from, which is white privilege. Tim Wise is the only white person I've EVER heard who's willing to give up white privilege, because knows and express the dangers that have come because of it (Columbine, Oklahoma bombings, the Holocaust, and pathologies related to control that are all significantly more prevalent in the white community, including alcoholism, rape, sexism, drug abuse, child molestation, and serial killing).

Its like James Baldwin once said, "those who cannot suffer can never grow up", which in my mind means those who are given privilege can never grow as a people because they're never equipped with coping skills to handle situations when the chips are down.

[bostich70]

I moved out of the city long ago....but remember back when....

It was about '80 or '81, I lived at 87th and Calumet (a Black community near the Dan Ryan expressway). One of my neighbors went to Luther South High School (a private school on west 87th street, past Western Avenue).

We'd been to "sock-hops" there before, and were usually dropped off there and picked up. Well this time dude forgot to tell his mom to pick us up. Party was over and we had no way home but our feet. There weren't any busses running and we had nobody to call. So we started walking...about 3 or 4 of us. We weren't big and threatening, and it was the '80s we were dressed preppy and shit. I'm thinking we were all like between 13 and 15.
Anyway, I remember just about every car that passed had some hated racial message for us. ALL the way to Western Ave.

There's a section past Western Ave. called "K" town. Supposedly because all the streets start with "K", but maybe it's just a coincidence.

-e.

I went to Luther South in mid-80's and it was a very racist neighborhood when you stayed late for basketball or football practice you always had a car pass by and shout the N-word or something happen and that's typical of that area and Bridgeport during those times and even now we are still one of the top 5 segregated cities in the US.....

[djmarbll]

Folks also forgetting the History of Bronzville. How many dacades were Blacks 'contained' there. Even if you had money, you could not live anywhere else. No one would sell or rent to you.

Exactly!

[Stan747]

djmrbll your post are too deep for this place....I wish I had your intellectual talent of expression....there's still hope I see

[TonyB]

Its like James Baldwin once said, "those who cannot suffer can never grow up", which in my mind means those who are given privilege can never grow as a people because they're never equipped with coping skills to handle situations when the chips are down.

^^^I like this, and agree wholeheartedly. Struggling or loss of privilage can either make or break you, but it will certainly give you a better understanding of what folks who have to suffer without on the daily basis due to historically institutionalized racism go through.

Calling me the 'n' word will never have the desired effect the bigot uttering that word towards me desires (making me feel inferior), but beating me upside my head with a nightstick just because I'm black and therefore 'seemingly' more threatening is racist and cause for decent folk everywhere to fight against.

[kaaos]

I remember watching Eyes on the Prize, where Dr. King tried to intergrate Cicero, and was greeted with what we in New York call "The Bensonhurst Salute!"

Is it still like that in Cicero?


well...its about 80% Mexican now in Cicero

[kaaos]

The footage was actually of his March into Marquette Park.

Dr. King Called Cicero the most racist city in america

[kaaos]

This post really pissed me off, because your black friend's family had serious issues for allowing him to cross that border. Blacks have serious self esteem issues period, and they wonder why I don't want to be associated with them.

If that would have been my son and I caught him on the other side of that border I would have done everything in my power to make him disappear from the face of the planet so it would have looked like a mistake.

????

His family prob had no idea he was over my crib. I mean it was just one block over the border and i was about 12...we didn't really think to deep on this.


i dont understan your last sentce regarding if you had a son? what does that sentce mean?

[Brut by Faberge]

Oh yeah. Real scary. One time I was nearly killed by a flying yarmulke.

This thread exemplifies why I can't be bothered with this board anymore.


Thanks for bringing this up, Fred because I have heard first hand about the race-related horror stories about Skokie and Linclonwood, neither of which I would venture in , not even in broad daylight, as well as parts of West Rogers Park.

[kaaos]

against arabs, whites, hispanics, asians?

?


Yes

[kaaos]

How do you think they came to that "choice"? Whites aren't burning crosses on lawns to keep blacks and Latinos out. Red-zoning and housing discrimination has done a much better job of that. So you must understand that the choice for Mexicans to stay in Pilsen is most likely a second choice, because red-zoning and housing discrimination already made the first one. Also, take notice how the yuppies are having no problem moving into Pilsen, or Harlem or Bed-Stuy for that matter. That alone should tell you there's an unequal disconnect when it comes to housing and who can live where.

Pilsen is quckly turning into a Hot yuppie Spot...a sipmle 2bdm condo can go for 600k

[jimmymack-2000]

From Tim Wise:


I was pulling for you to make it through a thread without quoting Tim Wise, but I knew it was a long shot...

BTW, see what you think of this: <a href="http://whiteantiracist.wordpress.com/how-and-why-it-works/">http://whiteantiracist.wordpress.com/how-and-why-it-works/</a>

[djmarbll]

djmrbll your post are too deep for this place....I wish I had your intellectual talent of expression....there's still hope I see

I just study great thinkers for my thoughts, but thanks Stan 747, LOL. You actually made some points that people totally glossed over regarding racism. I just feel that we're not getting anywhere until people start dealing with racism as an institutional form of oppression. You touched on that, and people skipped right past it and equated racism with a black man calling other ethnicities names, which totally misses the point. I'm with you man. :thumbsup:

[djmarbll]

I was pulling for you to make it through a thread without quoting Tim Wise, but I knew it was a long shot...

BTW, see what you think of this: <a href="http://whiteantiracist.wordpress.com/how-and-why-it-works/">http://whiteantiracist.wordpress.com/how-and-why-it-works/</a>

I tried to leave Tim Wise out of it, but he kept making too much sense regarding this issue, LOL. But he's not the only. Dr. Joy Leary, who's a black women, makes some very profound statements on race. Its just harder to find her lecture online, LOL. You can check out her site though http://www.posttraumaticslavesyndrome.com/drleary.html

That other link you gave is hilarious. Its a good read but totally misses the point in what anti-racist thinking should consist of among whites.

[djmarbll]

^^^I like this, and agree wholeheartedly. Struggling or loss of privilage can either make or break you, but it will certainly give you a better understanding of what folks who have to suffer without on the daily basis due to historically institutionalized racism go through.

Calling me the 'n' word will never have the desired effect the bigot uttering that word towards me desires (making me feel inferior), but beating me upside my head with a nightstick just because I'm black and therefore 'seemingly' more threatening is racist and cause for decent folk everywhere to fight against.

Me, you, and Stan 747 are seeing eye to eye on this TonyB. Fighting an "Archie-Bunker" type because he threw a rock at me in Bridgeport won't resolve anything. Fighting the LAPD, NYPD, Chicago PD, and other institutions that perpetuate racism or allow it to exist (including some our so-called liberal college campuses), will began to stir up the pot.

[Edith A. Giles]

Oh yeah. Real scary. One time I was nearly killed by a flying yarmulke.

This thread exemplifies why I can't be bothered with this board anymore.

Oh you REAL funny...

[Milo]

New York and its burroughs are nice in that regard (its diversity). Also, your public transportation system is far superior to ours. I was surprised given that I was so used to segregated areas and crummy public transport. I like some things about Chicago, but I am really starting to get tired of living here. I guess it's because I've been here all my life.

Amen to that.... Public transportation sucks in Chicago.

[Milo]

Dr. King Called Cicero the most racist city in america


It use to be home to the U.S. Nazi party up until the early 80's now it's more Mexican than Mexico city..... :wink:

[Milo]

But i really want to know something.Ever since someone posted that video of those people tossing racist names in that hot dog store i have been very curious.Is there overt racism in Chicago?It seems as though its pretty much alot of racism?The whites live on one side the blacks live on the other side.That video certainly helped me think that way even more.That would never fly here in ny,the racism here is more hidden.

Maybe its a class thing,can someone explain please.Again im sorry if you feel offended.


Do you mean the Weinner Circle on Clark in Chi?

[Milo]

Let my black ass move over to Bridgeport or Cicero and see how long I last there...:stupid:


Bridgeport? I don't know? Your on your own there. Cicero you will need to speak Spanish :rofl:

[Edith A. Giles]

Bridgeport? I don't know? Your on your own there. Cicero you will need to speak Spanish :rofl:

All I'm saying is that I would not venture into Bridgeport, Cicero, Skokie, or Lincolnwood alone, not even in broad daylight.