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mdpm99
10-24-2003, 11:17 AM
Purrrrrrhaps you may want to "save this" for later ....as it is a long post ..

A very interesting read (IMO).

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Read it and Weep:


Perhaps the biggest success in the war on terror has been its ability to distract the nation from the corporate war on us. In the two years since the attacks of 9/11, American businesses have been on a punch-drunk rampage that has left millions of average Americans with their savings gone and their pensions looted, their hopes for a comfortable future for their families diminished or extinguished. The business bandits (and their government accomplices) who have wrecked our economy have tried to blame it on the terrorists, they have tried to blame it on Clinton, and they have tried to blame it on us. But, in fact, the wholesale destruction of our economic future is based solely on the greed of the corporate mojahedin.

The takeover has happened right under our noses. We've been force-fed some mighty powerful "drugs" to keep us quiet while we're being mugged by this lawless gang of CEOs. One of these drugs is called fear and the other is called Horatio Alger.

The fear drug works like this: you are repeatedly told that bad, scary people are going to kill you, so place all your trust in us, your corporate leaders, and we will protect you. But since we know what's best, don't question us if we want you to foot the bill for our tax cut, or if we decide to slash your health benefits or jack up the cost of buying a home. And if you don't shut up and toe the line and work your ass off, we will sack you - and then just try to find a new job in this economy, punk!

The other drug is nicer. It is first prescribed to us as children in the form of a fairy tale - but a fairy tale that can actually come true! It is the Horatio Alger myth. Alger was one of the most popular American writers of the late 1800s. His stories featured characters from impoverished backgrounds who, through pluck and determination and hard work, were able to make huge successes of themselves in this land of boundless opportunity. The message was that anyone can make it in America, and make it big.

We are addicted to this happy rags-to-riches myth in this country. People in other industrialised democracies are content to make a good enough living to pay their bills and raise their families. Few have a cutthroat desire to strike it rich. They live in reality, where there are only going to be a few rich people, and you are not going to be one of them. So get used to it.

Of course, rich people in those countries are very careful not to upset the balance. Even though there are greedy bastards among them, they do have some limits placed on them. In the manufacturing sector, for example, British CEOs make 24 times as much as their average workers - the widest gap in Europe. German CEOs only make 15 times more than their employees, while Swedish CEOs get 13 times as much. But here in the US, the average CEO makes 411 times the salaries of their blue-collar workers. Wealthy Europeans pay up to 65% in taxes, and they know better than to bitch too loud about it or the people will make them fork over even more.

In the US, we are afraid to sock it to them. We hate to put our CEOs in prison when they break the law. We are more than happy to cut their taxes even as ours go up! We don't want to do anything that could harm us on that day we end up millionaires. It's so believable because we have seen it come true. In every community there's at least one person prancing around as the rags-to-riches poster child, conveying the not-so-subtle message: "SEE! I MADE IT! YOU CAN, TOO!!"

It is this seductive myth that led so many millions of working people to become investors in the stock market during the 90s. They saw how rich the rich got in the 80s and thought, "Hey, this could happen to me!"

The wealthy did everything they could to en courage this attitude. Understand that in 1980 only 20% of Americans owned a share of stock. Wall Street was the rich man's game and it was off-limits to the average Joe and Jane. Near the end of the 1980s, though, the rich were pretty much tapped out with their excess profits and could not figure out how to make the market keep growing. I don't know if it was the brainstorm of one genius at a brokerage firm or the smooth conspiracy of all the well-heeled, but the game became, "Hey, let's convince the middle class to give us their money and we can get even richer!"

Suddenly, it seemed like everyone I knew jumped on the stock market bandwagon. They let their unions invest all their pension money in stocks. Story after story ran in the media about how everyday working people were going to be able to retire as near-millionaires! It was like a fever that infected everyone. Workers immediately cashed their pay cheques and called their broker to buy more stocks. Their broker!

There were ups and downs, but mostly ups, lots of ups, and you could hear yourself saying, "My stock's up 120%! My worth has tripled!" You eased the pain of daily living by imagining the retirement villa you would buy some day or the sports car you could buy tomorrow if you wanted to cash out now. No, don't cash out! It's only going to go higher! Stay in for the long haul! Easy Street, here I come!

But it was a sham. It was all a ruse concocted by the corporate powers-that-be who never had any intention of letting you into their club. They just needed your money to take them to that next level, the one that insulates them from ever having to actually work for a living. They knew the big boom of the 90s couldn't last, so they needed your money to artificially inflate the value of their companies so their stocks would reach such a phantasmal price that, when it was time to cash out, they would be set for life, no matter how bad the economy got.

And that's what happened. While the average sucker was listening to all the blowhards on CNBC tell him that he should buy even more stock, the ultra-rich were quietly getting out of the market, selling off the stocks of their own company first. In September 2002, Fortune magazine released a staggering list of these corporate crooks who made off like bandits while their company's stock prices had dropped 75% or more between 1999 and 2002.

At the top of the list of these evildoers was Qwest Communications. At its peak, Qwest shares traded at nearly $40. Three years later the same shares were worth $1. Over that period, Qwest's director, Phil Anschutz, and its former CEO, Joe Nacchio, and the other officers made off with $2.26bn simply by selling out before the price hit rock bottom.

Meanwhile, the average investor stayed in, listening to all the rotten advice. And the market kept going down, down, down. More than four trillion dollars was lost in the stock market. Another trillion dollars in pension funds and university endowments is now no longer there.

So, here's my question: after fleecing the American public and destroying the American dream for most working people, how is it that, instead of being drawn and quartered and hung at dawn at the city gates, the rich got a big wet kiss from Congress in the form of a record tax break, and no one says a word? How can that be?

I think it's because we're still addicted to the Horatio Alger fantasy drug. Despite all the damage and all the evidence to the contrary, the average American still wants to hang on to this belief that maybe, just maybe, he or she (mostly he) just might make it big after all. So don't attack the rich man, because one day that rich man may be me!

Listen, friends, you have to face the truth: you are never going to be rich. **The chance of that happening is about one in a million. Not only are you never going to be rich, but you are going to have to live the rest of your life busting your butt just to pay the cable bill and the music and art classes for your kid at the public school where they used to be free.

And it is only going to get worse. Forget about a pension, forget about social security, forget about your kids taking care of you when you get old because they are barely going to have the money to take care of themselves.

If you are still clinging to the belief that not all of Corporate America is that bad, consider this example of what our good captains of industry have been up to of late.

Are you aware that your company may have taken out a life insurance policy on you? Oh, how nice of them, you say? Yeah, here's how nice it is.

During the past 20 years, companies including Disney, Nestle, Procter & Gamble, Dow Chemical, JP Morgan Chase and Wal-Mart have been secretly taking out life insurance policies on their low- and mid-level employees and then naming themselves - the corporation - as the beneficiary! That's right: When you die, the company - not your survivors - gets to cash in. If you die on the job, all the better, as most life-insurance policies are geared to pay out more when someone dies young. And if you live to a ripe old age, even long after you've left the company, the company still gets to collect on your death. And regardless of when you croak, the company is able to borrow against the policy and deduct the interest from its corporate taxes.

Many of these companies have set up a system for the money to go to pay for executive bonuses, cars, homes or trips to the Caribbean. Your death goes to helping make your boss a very happy man sitting in his Jacuzzi on St Bart's.

And what does Corporate America privately call this special form of life insurance?

Dead Peasants Insurance.

That's right. "Dead Peasants". Because that's what you are to them - peasants. And you are sometimes worth more to them dead than alive.

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mdpm99
10-24-2003, 11:24 AM
In reply to the above.....

The big corps just dont give a damn about the middleclass, the working class, or the poor. To them all three are just about the same.....the "too damn dumb to be one of us" class........the "exploitable fools" class. Capitolism? It is a good thing, but what we are seeing these last 53+ years is not classic capitolism it is a darker version out of our history...complete with "robber barons".
If we (americans who are not amoung the rich....I.E. most of us) are so very much better off...then why cant one breadwinner per family support that family? Our dads could...our granddads could. Why cant we? Because 40-50% of the profit that ought to either remain with the producers (labor), or with the investors that finaced the business (stockholders) is being ripped off by upper management.
Of course, as always I dont claim that this is gospel truth....just what I see when I reveiw the evidence. If you think you have evidence that might show me I am wrong I'd love to see it. Refuseing to examine viewpoints that disagree with one's current beliefs is a good sign of a senile, or brainwashed mind.....lol

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mdpm99
10-24-2003, 11:41 AM
Tidbits:

15% - Increase in direct compensation paid to CEOs at major US corporations from 2001-2002.
$3.02 million - Median pay for those CEOs in 2002

36.1% - Marriott International's effective federal tax rate before synthetic fuel credit.
6.8% - Effective fed tax rate after syn-fuel credit.
8.0% - Fed tax rate on those with incomes between $25-30K.
(Syn-fuel tax breaks give an annual tax gift of $1 billion to US businesses)

1,000 - Number of toxic Superfund sites still to clean up
$0.00 - Amount left in the fund as of Oct 1.
25% - Percentage of Americans who live within a short bike ride of a Superfund site.

...and on and on.

Sharp Eye Washington
10-24-2003, 11:57 AM
Great post Dave. I made the mistake of buying stock in the company I work for. Needless to say I've lost & continue to lose serious $ on that investment.

jsd540
10-24-2003, 12:02 PM
I don't know if it was the brainstorm of one genius at a brokerage firm or the smooth conspiracy of all the well-heeled, but the game became, "Hey, let's convince the middle class to give us their money and we can get even richer!"

Remember the e-trade commercials in the late 90's everyone was daytrading some fat sweaty slob owned an island... Who do you think was selling ? it was'nt the average day trader who cashed out his IRA to day trade. He bought, went bust and no one ever talked about him, but this scenerio happened alot... Conspiracy all the way.

mdpm99
10-24-2003, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by jsd540:
I don't know if it was the brainstorm of one genius at a brokerage firm or the smooth conspiracy of all the well-heeled, but the game became, "Hey, let's convince the middle class to give us their money and we can get even richer!"

Remember the e-trade commercials in the late 90's everyone was daytrading some fat sweaty slob owned an island... Who do you think was selling ? it was'nt the average day trader who cashed out his IRA to day trade. He bought, went bust and no one ever talked about him, but this scenerio happened alot... Conspiracy all the way. THE FLAG FOLLOWS THE DOLLAR.......

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mdpm99
10-24-2003, 12:59 PM
Thank you jsd540 & Phil Bernard for taking the time to check out the "nugget."

Every time I read that post I just get more and more riled up. It is a reality sandwich for the mind i.e. food for thought.

Bottom line is that the world can no longer afford the rich.

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Ps. I posted this as we vote/live according to our pocketbook. I hope that by communicating the above it will serve a purpose.

DLow
10-24-2003, 01:07 PM
Great post David. How do we hip the masses to this? The minute this topic (shall we call it brainwashing???) is discussed in mass media, it becomes a conspiracy 'theory', when these are FACTS. graemlins/conf44.gif

mdpm99
10-24-2003, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by Derrick:
Great post David. How do we hip the masses to this? The minute this topic (shall we call it brainwashing???) is discussed in mass media, it becomes a conspiracy 'theory', when these are FACTS. graemlins/conf44.gif Greetings Derrick?

May I suggest to........"pass the peas."

If you paste it and pass it on every little bit helps.

Thank you for asking.

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Leslie
10-24-2003, 01:33 PM
David got your message...well now I have a headache. The way the issue of the stock market participation was broken down was so true...take Enron for a well known example Ken Lay and friends cashed out of that joker long before the house of cards began to even shake, cause they KNEW the scam them were pulling was gonna get found out - or they were so arrogant to think that in the event they didn't get away with it, at least they would have their money.

Ah the fear drug - works like a charm in this country. Americans have the attention span and the memory of an aomeba - see it was only a few months ago when we were all about "smoking them out of the foxholes" and now that the toll of American lives is getting way outta hand, we realize the rush to war was that - too rushed!

mdpm99
10-24-2003, 01:39 PM
Thank you Leslie smile.gif

I hope that this graemlins/bighug.gif will send your headache away!

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[ October 24, 2003, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

Cheddar
10-24-2003, 01:42 PM
You know i hear you.

mdpm99
10-24-2003, 02:09 PM
If This World Were Mine......Marvin Gaye & Tamie Torrell

jsd540
10-24-2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Derrick:
Great post David. How do we hip the masses to this? The minute this topic (shall we call it brainwashing???) is discussed in mass media, it becomes a conspiracy 'theory', when these are FACTS. graemlins/conf44.gif The masses unfortunately will not be hipped. Consider all the pro war rhetoric earlier this year, the few who did not agree with it were written off as anti amer**** and yadda yadda.

The only thing you can do is try to leave clues for the few who don't just blindly follow and pass the word on... some listen some won't graemlins/conf44.gif

I thank David for just putting it out there and letting the chips fall where they may...

DLow
10-24-2003, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Derrick:
Great post David. How do we hip the masses to this? The minute this topic (shall we call it brainwashing???) is discussed in mass media, it becomes a conspiracy 'theory', when these are FACTS. graemlins/conf44.gif Greetings Derrick?

May I suggest to........"pass the peas."

If you paste it and pass it on every little bit helps.

Thank you for asking.

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d </font>[/QUOTE]Done!!! I forwarded this to some folks. They are intrigued and are asking questions already. I must admit; I didn't expect much feedback at all, at least not this soon. 'Every little bit helps'...true...

Have a nice weekend, David!!! smile.gif

Peace

Leslie
10-24-2003, 02:41 PM
Of course this would NEVER happen here...

October 24, 2003
Massive Strike Leads Italy Into Temporary Paralysis
By FRANK BRUNI

OME, Oct. 24 — Planes idled on tarmacs, trains stopped running and much of Italy slipped into a state of temporary paralysis today as a result of a massive strike to protest a proposed increase in the retirement age.

Hundreds of thousands of workers heeded the call of the country's three largest labor unions and stayed away from work, and many took part in loud demonstrations that represented more than a single day's sound and fury.

Those demonstrations reflected a growing tension in Western Europe as many governments reassess the affordability of their pension systems and many citizens chafe against the prospect of diminished entitlements.

In Italy, public school teachers played hooky, museum administrators locked their doors and tens of thousands of Italians marched down the main arteries of the country's cities and flooded its fabled piazzas.

"Defend your future!" shouted people in an enormous crowd that gathered about noon in Piazza Navona here. There were whistles, drumbeats and a general air of genuine unease.

Italy, France and Germany have all contemplated, plotted or instituted cutbacks in state pension programs. Their leaders have said that the global economic slowdown, fewer children and more old people are forcing them to do so.

Late last month, Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy took the unusual step of addressing the issue directly with Italians by giving a nationally televised speech during the prime-time evening hours.

"Whoever says that everything can continue as it is now is deceiving us," Mr. Berlusconi said, referring to the current Italian pension system. "This is not a sustainable situation."

Many Italians now retire with full benefits from the state before they turn 60. If they are 57 or younger, they can retire after paying into the state pension system for 37 years. If they are over 57, they can retire after 35 years of contributions.

Mr. Berlusconi has proposed increasing that period to 40 years for men under 65 and women under 60, a requirement that would take effect in 2008. The Italian Parliament has not yet voted on the measure.

Mr. Berlusconi's first stint as prime minister, in 1994, ended after just seven months, in part because of disenchantment over his desire to meddle with the state pension system.

He is nonetheless tackling the issue again, even though it entails bringing Italians a kind of bad news that contrasts starkly with his cheery campaign promises two and a half years ago.

Italians elected him to do for their economy what he did for his business empire — make it bigger and richer — but that has not happened.

Some protesters complained that Mr. Berlusconi was mismanaging the economy and that the answer was not to delay workers' retirements. Others said that no kind of budget crunch warranted the kind of reform Mr. Berlusconi was proposing.

"I think we should look in general at the life of a human being, which cannot be considered only in terms of work," said Amico Antonucci, 54, who stood in the crowd in Piazza Navona.

Bianca Pomeranzi, 53, proposed an alternative to Mr. Berlusconi's plan.

"The problem of too little money to pay pensions and a low birth rate could easily be solved by allowing more immigrants into the country," Ms. Pomeranzi said — a solution that many other Italians oppose.

As Italians took the battle over the pension system to the streets, there was ample collateral damage. People waited for buses that did not come, trains that would not leave and planes that did not fly.

Tourists were among the casualties.

In Florence, visitors who were turned away from museums entertained themselves instead by taking photographs of the protesters in the streets.

In Rome, visitors peered longingly, through zoom lenses, at the ruins that make up the Roman Forum, which was off limits for the day.


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mdpm99
10-24-2003, 03:16 PM
Leslie.....

Thank you for posting the article about Italy.

I guess there is "life" after all on planet earth.

Have a great weekend!

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JMNYC
10-24-2003, 05:51 PM
great "nugget" David.

Once again I ask for insight from everyone:

we SEE.
we KNOW.
we UNDERSTAND.
we PROTEST.
we VOTE.
we WRITE.
we SPREAD THE WORD.

but we are still HERE. What can be done to make CHANGE happen? Am I being impatient,.or is our window of opportunity shrinking? Are we just so complacent a society that nothing short of violent revolution will bring about the changes we deserve as constituents, as citizens, as human beings?

[ October 24, 2003, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

mdpm99
10-24-2003, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by JMNYC:
great "nugget" David.

Once again I ask for insight from everyone:

we SEE.
we KNOW.
we UNDERSTAND.
we PROTEST.
we VOTE.
we WRITE.
we SPREAD THE WORD.

but we are still HERE. What can be done to make CHANGE happen? Am I being impatient,.or is our window of opportunity shrinking? Are we just so complacent a society that nothing short of violent revolution will bring about the changes we deserve as constituents, as citizens, as human beings? Greetings JMNYC:

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mdpm99
10-25-2003, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by jsd540:
I don't know if it was the brainstorm of one genius at a brokerage firm or the smooth conspiracy of all the well-heeled, but the game became, "Hey, let's convince the middle class to give us their money and we can get even richer!"

Remember the e-trade commercials in the late 90's everyone was daytrading some fat sweaty slob owned an island... Who do you think was selling ? it was'nt the average day trader who cashed out his IRA to day trade. He bought, went bust and no one ever talked about him, but this scenerio happened alot... Conspiracy all the way. graemlins/grinyes.gif

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Moksha
10-25-2003, 01:14 PM
Can you please give the source of that story?

thanks

mdpm99
10-25-2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Can you please give the source of that story?

thanks Greetings Sire:

It was sent to me and was originally on a msg board out there somewhere from what I am told.

From what I gather it is a statement written as an opinion and not from a newspaper -- mag. - and or etc.

I thought it was very powerful and to the point.

Have a great weekend!

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