When Obama becomes president

[The Buddy Love Show]

our excuses will die

jmo

[Big Ken]

The racists will work harder at racisim, the cops will arrest more black men, and judges will put more blacks in jail to show that they still have the power even though a black president is in office.

[Kristel 75]

The racists will work harder at racisim, the cops will arrest more black men, and judges will put more blacks in jail to show that they still have the power even though a black president is in office.

That's the truth.

[Jamie 3:26]

That's the truth.

That's BULLSHIT!!!

We gotta stop this defeatest ass attitude we have as black folk.

The man ain't had one bbq at the white house yet and folks thinking it's gonna be all out war on black people.

[mhd]

That's BULLSHIT!!!

We gotta stop this defeatest ass attitude we have as black folk.

The man ain't had one bbq at the white house yet and folks thinking it's gonna be all out war on black people.

thank you

[Big Ken]

That's BULLSHIT!!!

We gotta stop this defeatest ass attitude we have as black folk.

The man ain't had one bbq at the white house yet and folks thinking it's gonna be all out war on black people.
It's not a defeatest attitude at all J. When Obama gets in, that will be a great day for everyone, but, you have to admit that the ones who feel they are starting to loose power will mos def have something to prove.

[Jamie 3:26]

It's not a defeatest attitude at all J. When Obama gets in, that will be a great day for everyone, but, you have to admit that the ones who feel they are starting to loose power will mos def have something to prove.

How is it not Ken?

"YT gone be real ruff on us,cause there's a nigga in the white house.."

Regardless if there's a black president or not,there's still gonna be police brutality.There's still gonna be profiling.


Honestly,I'm not giving anyone that power over me.

Why am I gonna think that shit's gonna be worse off than it already is,due to a black president?

Just think on it man...

[Mr.I]

November is a LONGGGGGG time away...

[Chuck P]

thank you

Piggybackin.....

[mhd]

It's not a defeatest attitude at all J. When Obama gets in, that will be a great day for everyone, but, you have to admit that the ones who feel they are starting to loose power will mos def have something to prove.

nah, bruh, those of us taking power will have something to prove

[1SmoothDj]

The racists will work harder at racisim, the cops will arrest more black men, and judges will put more blacks in jail to show that they still have the power even though a black president is in office.

Typically polices are top down. What you're overlooking are his appointments to key agencies re: Justice/Law, Education, Defense and if we're fortunate enough... Supreme Court appointments.

Marv

[The Crazy Life That Is Alarick T]

nah, bruh, those of us taking power will have something to prove

:thumbsup:

[The Crazy Life That Is Alarick T]

Typically polices are top down. What you're overlooking are his appointments to key agencies re: Justice/Law, Education, Defense and if we're fortunate enough... Supreme Court appointments.

Marv

:thumbsup:

[The Buddy Love Show]

I know MY excuses will be over

then again, i've always been in touch w my strengths and weaknesses

[liL Ray]

our excuses will die

jmo
did folks just glossed over this on their way to their bullshit answer???

damn...

[ProvocativeElement]

It'll be business as usual - I don't know why Black Folx think that anything will change he is just one man. One thing's for sure, we'll be able to see the toll that the pressure of being the leader of 'The Free World' takes on him.

Wanting to fufill his promises and ideals but being bound and accountable to faces and agendas that we know nothing of. Can't walk on water, heal the sick or feed the multitudes - And the criticism he'll reap from everyone and every direction will be unfathomable!

[Kristel 75]

That's BULLSHIT!!!

We gotta stop this defeatest ass attitude we have as black folk.

The man ain't had one bbq at the white house yet and folks thinking it's gonna be all out war on black people.

I not being defeatest. I want him to win! It would be wonderful. But you cannot deny that there are far too many state sponsored crimes against many of us.

[ebot9000]

i think he might be better than Bush.

[mhd]

It'll be business as usual - I don't know why Black Folx think that anything will change he is just one man. One thing's for sure, we'll be able to see the toll that the pressure of being the leader of 'The Free World' takes on him.

Wanting to fufill his promises and ideals but being bound and accountable to faces and agendas that we know nothing of. Can't walk on water, heal the sick or feed the multitudes - And the criticism he'll reap from everyone and every direction will be unfathomable!

sounds like he could use your help

[TAC]

Ya'l missing this one big time.

Try this....

BAM!!!!

Black man in the White House. See, it is possible to overcome the odds after all.

Okaaaaaaaaay eeeeeeeeeeeeeediat bwooooooy, what's YOUR excuse for why you still living in your mama's basement, looking to sneak a peek at Timmy's CD case?

Got it?

Carry on...

[liL Ray]

Ya'l missing this one big time.
Carry on...
they really did...

[The Buddy Love Show]

Ya'l missing this one big time.

Try this....

BAM!!!!

Black man in the White House. See, it is possible to overcome the odds after all.

Okaaaaaaaaay eeeeeeeeeeeeeediat bwooooooy, what's YOUR excuse for why you still living in your mama's basement, looking to sneak a peek at Timmy's CD case?

Got it?

Carry on...

hollerin!

[TAC]

they really did...

The post actually requires self reflection. However, not many are willing to do so. Indeed, not many are even capable of doing so.

mmmmmmmmm, a most notable human flaw Padawan.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

our excuses will die

jmo

As a big hat wearing woman sitting in the front of the church would say "Tell it!"

[DaveR]

The post actually requires self reflection ...
:lol: :thumbsup:

[dj c-los]

Okaaaaaaaaay eeeeeeeeeeeeeediat bwooooooy, what's YOUR excuse for why you still living in your mama's basement, looking to sneak a peek at Timmy's CD case?

Got it?

TAC droppin knowledge! :respent:

[DeesKo]

our excuses will die

jmo


Nah... because he's only half-black.

You'll still have 50% of an excuse left.

[Big Ken]

How is it not Ken?

"YT gone be real ruff on us,cause there's a nigga in the white house.."

Regardless if there's a black president or not,there's still gonna be police brutality.There's still gonna be profiling.


Honestly,I'm not giving anyone that power over me.

Why am I gonna think that shit's gonna be worse off than it already is,due to a black president?

Just think on it man...
I'm not saying things are going to be worse off, and I get PWW's point about no more excuses. I'm saying that there are going to be a lot of MAD AS HELL racists and racist groups that are going to rebel. It has nothing to do with someone having power over me, us, or anybody.

Belive me, I do hope that I'm wrong. Hell, I would love to be wrong, but I don't think that I am.

[Big Ken]

Nah... because he's only half-black.

You'll still have 50% of an excuse left.
:icon_rofl:

[miss al boogie]

The racists will work harder at racisim, the cops will arrest more black men, and judges will put more blacks in jail to show that they still have the power even though a black president is in office.

actually statistically this doesn't make sense. when a more 'conservative' racist president is in office, the more frequent local hate crimes happen. it's a top down ideal that spreads throughout the country. hate crimes have increased tremendously since the current Bush has been in office. so having a black man in office, may actually force more of that denial of our own racism (Americans have a hard time actually confronting it) rather than an expression of it.

and i still can't get over how foine Obama is.

[Kemmot]

He wont be worse than Bush, thats for sure.Unless he ignites a nuclear war or something drastic.He may finally cut that reparations check for unpaid services rendered to the state. Would an apology for slavery suffice if its a black guy in office or do we want a white president to do it. Blacks need to realise they are a small minority now, and politics always favors the majority.

[KBig]

folks sounding like str8 up Slaves!


Slave-"Massa gone beat us double if you run away for freedom"....

Rebel- Mass gone beat us ANYWAY....


Ken what the phucc are you scared of man? When are we gonna realize that RACISM is never going away ... and its only a CLOAK for MONEY and and POWER,

Dey got chall minds, Black People. Not only do they have you all believeing Barack CANT do it , but when HE shows you that he can, Yall resort to Massa gone beat us worse?

Dayum Yall do more damage to Barack and yourselves than ANY WHITE RACIST COULD.

Niggaz are scared of revolution... those words by GHS aint never been more true

Sometimes I wish Barack was White.... then I know he would win cuz Yall Niggaz would DEFINITELY vote for him then.


Niggaz. :wtf:

[Coach Biskit]

folks sounding like str8 up Slaves!


Slave-"Massa gone beat us double if you run away for freedom"....

Rebel- Mass gone beat us ANYWAY....


Ken what the phucc are you scared of man? When are we gonna realize that RACISM is never going away ... and its only a CLOAK for MONEY and and POWER,

Dey got chall minds, Black People. Not only do they have you all believeing Barack CANT do it , but when HE shows you that he can, Yall resort to Massa gone beat us worse?

Dayum Yall do more damage to Barack and yourselves than ANY WHITE RACIST COULD.

Niggaz are scared of revolution... those words by GHS aint never been more true

Sometimes I wish Barack was White.... then I know he would win cuz Yall Niggaz would DEFINITELY vote for him then.


Niggaz. :wtf:

Whoa!!! Post of the year so far!

[KBig]

That's BULLSHIT!!!

We gotta stop this defeatest ass attitude we have as black folk.

The man ain't had one bbq at the white house yet and folks thinking it's gonna be all out war on black people.


Jamie they dont get it... is been all out war ... the enemy has changed....


Before it was them against us ... now is Us against Us.

White folk dont have to do shyt but lay back in the cut and watch us IMPLODE.

we are killing each other
We are NOT voting
We are not educating OURSELVES
we are not doing anything to promote our own survival

but we shole do know how get some azz off of myspace

NIGGGGGGAZZZZZZZ.....

[richierich]

folks sounding like str8 up Slaves!


Slave-"Massa gone beat us double if you run away for freedom"....

Rebel- Mass gone beat us ANYWAY....


Ken what the phucc are you scared of man? When are we gonna realize that RACISM is never going away ... and its only a CLOAK for MONEY and and POWER,

Dey got chall minds, Black People. Not only do they have you all believeing Barack CANT do it , but when HE shows you that he can, Yall resort to Massa gone beat us worse?

Dayum Yall do more damage to Barack and yourselves than ANY WHITE RACIST COULD.

Niggaz are scared of revolution... those words by GHS aint never been more true

Sometimes I wish Barack was White.... then I know he would win cuz Yall Niggaz would DEFINITELY vote for him then.


Niggaz. :wtf:


Super Co-sign...

[Vinyl Deficit]

It'll be business as usual - I don't know why Black Folx think that anything will change he is just one man. One thing's for sure, we'll be able to see the toll that the pressure of being the leader of 'The Free World' takes on him.


See, that's my take on it. Government is a business before anything else. I don't believe he'll be any more different than any other contemporary president.

[david_mancuso]

http://www.house.gov/rangel/speeches/2007/cr080407Dinkins.html

[Perql8r]

It'll be business as usual - I don't know why Black Folx think that anything will change he is just one man. One thing's for sure, we'll be able to see the toll that the pressure of being the leader of 'The Free World' takes on him.

Wanting to fufill his promises and ideals but being bound and accountable to faces and agendas that we know nothing of. Can't walk on water, heal the sick or feed the multitudes - And the criticism he'll reap from everyone and every direction will be unfathomable!

I don't see why people hold onto this idea that "he's just one man" or that nothing will change. Look how much has changed (for the worse) under Bush. Look how much changed economically under Clinton. Peeps act like Obama's term would only be one year - 4 years is a long time for changes to be made (and 8 would be a bonus).

[richierich]

"Take de shackles off of your mind people"!!

[Vinyl Deficit]

4 years is a long time for changes to be made (and 8 would be a bonus).
It'll take 8 years with someone doing a good job as president to clean up the mess.

[KBig]

"Take de shackles off of your mind people"!!


it easier to remain a slave to one's one bullshyt, Rich.

that would mean becoming informed, reading, doing research, being INVOLVED and PARTICIPATING in one's own destiny. U can't do that if you sit on a couch all day play video games, whining about not making more money, being stagnant and irresponsible.

Taking your own destiny in your own hand requires WORK

and Niggaz are lazy

[Big Ken]

folks sounding like str8 up Slaves!


Slave-"Massa gone beat us double if you run away for freedom"....

Rebel- Mass gone beat us ANYWAY....


Ken what the phucc are you scared of man? When are we gonna realize that RACISM is never going away ... and its only a CLOAK for MONEY and and POWER,

Dey got chall minds, Black People. Not only do they have you all believeing Barack CANT do it , but when HE shows you that he can, Yall resort to Massa gone beat us worse?

Dayum Yall do more damage to Barack and yourselves than ANY WHITE RACIST COULD.

Niggaz are scared of revolution... those words by GHS aint never been more true

Sometimes I wish Barack was White.... then I know he would win cuz Yall Niggaz would DEFINITELY vote for him then.


Niggaz. :wtf:
Okay, Hold da fuck on now!!!! How in the hell has my comment turned in to "Niggaz are scared of revolution..." I'm not afraid for Barack at all! Hell, i'm behind him 500%!!!! It amazes me how things get taken totaly out of context up in dis piece!

So you all are telling me that the hate groups are not going to have a "we are going to show these motherfuckers" attitude when Obama becomes president? You all are telling me that the old racist ass southerners are not going to become more blatant racist when Barack becomes president?



RACISM is never going away ... and its only a CLOAK for MONEY and and POWER

The above quote proves the point I am trying to make! So if a preson, group, or whatever thinks they are loosing their power, how do they react?

[richierich]

it easier to remain a slave to one's one bullshyt, Rich.

that would mean becoming informed, reading, doing research, being INVOLVED and PARTICIPATING in one's own destiny. U can't do that if you sit on a couch all day play video games, whining about not making more money, being stagnant and irresponsible.

Taking your own destiny in your own hand requires WORK

and Niggaz are lazy

Funny how SOME blacks can't stand being called that but damn sure wear the definition of it..

[Big Ken]

it easier to remain a slave to one's one bullshyt, Rich.

that would mean becoming informed, reading, doing research, being INVOLVED and PARTICIPATING in one's own destiny. U can't do that if you sit on a couch all day play video games, whining about not making more money, being stagnant and irresponsible.

Taking your own destiny in your own hand requires WORK

and Niggaz are lazy


Funny how SOME blacks can't stand being called that but damn sure wear the definition of it..
So who are we talking about here?!

[richierich]

So who are we talking about here?!

To whomever wears this attitued..Calm down Ken..You know I don't bite my tongue..If it aint you don't sweat it ..If you feel it is you then maybe it is...

[Big Ken]

To whomever wears this attitued..Calm down Ken..You know I don't bite my tongue..If it aint you don't sweat it ..If you feel it is you then maybe it is...
I'm all good Rich, it's just that all of this is stemming off a comment that I made.

[richierich]

I'm all good Rich, it's just that all of this is stemming off a comment that I made.

You know this is the Pee..lol!!

[Big Ken]

You know this is the Pee..lol!!
It amazes me how things get taken totaly out of context up in dis piece!

[Moksha]

So you all are telling me that the hate groups are not going to have a "we are going to show these motherfuckers" attitude when Obama becomes president? You all are telling me that the old racist ass southerners are not going to become more blatant racist when Barack becomes president?


It might very well have the exact opposite effect.

[KBig]

Okay, Hold da fuck on now!!!! How in the hell has my comment turned in to "Niggaz are scared of revolution..." I'm not afraid for Barack at all! Hell, i'm behind him 500%!!!! It amazes me how things get taken totaly out of context up in dis piece!

So you all are telling me that the hate groups are not going to have a "we are going to show these motherfuckers" attitude when Obama becomes president? You all are telling me that the old racist ass southerners are not going to become more blatant racist when Barack becomes president?


The above quote proves the point I am trying to make! So if a preson, group, or whatever thinks they are loosing their power, how do they react?


and my response to you is simple... So what?
how doz any of what you typed Impact Us any more than the negative impact we have on ourselves?

Racism/ Racist White Folks have existed and will con't to exist. That is not our biggest immediate challenge....

black Folk can't read.... Not Whiteys falt
black folk are killing black folk- not whiteys fault
glamorizing prison culture - not whiteys fault
the fracturing of the black family .... absentee fathers- not whiteys fault
calling black women bitches and ho's and capitalizing on it in music and entertainment- not Whiteys fault
BET aint shyt- not Whites fault

again my answer to you comments is SO WHAT?

be less concerned by "them" and more concerned about us...

[Big Ken]

It might very well have the exact opposite effect.
This is mos def something that I would love to be wrong about.

[ProvocativeElement]

I don't see why people hold onto this idea that "he's just one man" or that nothing will change. Look how much has changed (for the worse) under Bush. Look how much changed economically under Clinton. Peeps act like Obama's term would only be one year - 4 years is a long time for changes to be made (and 8 would be a bonus).

I'm not saying that nothing will change, but we're setting ourselves up for major disappointment if we think that he'll be able to come in and in two terms right all the the wrongs.

It's always easier to mess up than to clean up - and as dynamic as he is, everyone is not gonna fall in line and support the direction for change that he sets. Further, non of 'The American People' sit on the boards and committees that he will have to answer to (what, cause he's president, he doesn't have to answer to anyone? puhlease . . .) just like Vinyl Deficit said, government is business first - all of the Change America fluff that we devour during election time is just that - fluff

please, correct me if I'm wrong . . . name a president that came in, took the helm and turned the country around 180 degrees? I got no problem admitting when I'm wrong, so educate me.

[AMc]

It amazes me how things get taken totaly out of context up in dis piece!

It's what happens when your view may oppose those of power (not talking about admins) on this site. The "gang up" as I like to call it. It usually pisses members off to the point of a banning.

You can usually defend yourself without being banned just by refraining from the name calling, something I really appreciate about this site.

Sorry, I digress.....

IF Barack becomes President, and even IF he is a good President, it's probably safe to say that all the opinions stated in this thread would matter....

Things will be the same, yet different, regardless.

The best thing I see is that change is finally occurring in US government politics. We're getting to know each other better, and hopefully more Black people (and whomever) will realize that many White people like & respect you, and want to work with you! Vice versa that as well....

This whole race is something to look forward to, no matter what colour you are.

[AMc]

This is mos def something that I would love to be wrong about.


There will be both effects, in terms of public reaction to having a darker skinned President.

[AMc]

I'm not saying that nothing will change, but we're setting ourselves up for major disappointment if we think that he'll be able to come in and in two terms right all the the wrongs.

Can any human being really live up to this kind of expectation?

[Moksha]

please, correct me if I'm wrong . . . name a president that came in, took the helm and turned the country around 180 degrees? I got no problem admitting when I'm wrong, so educate me.

FDR? Lincoln?

[Perql8r]

I'm not saying that nothing will change, but we're setting ourselves up for major disappointment if we think that he'll be able to come in and in two terms right all the the wrongs.

It's always easier to mess up than to clean up - and as dynamic as he is, everyone is not gonna fall in line and support the direction for change that he sets. Further, non of 'The American People' sit on the boards and committees that he will have to answer to (what, cause he's president, he doesn't have to answer to anyone? puhlease . . .) just like Vinyl Deficit said, government is business first - all of the Change America fluff that we devour during election time is just that - fluff

please, correct me if I'm wrong . . . name a president that came in, took the helm and turned the country around 180 degrees? I got no problem admitting when I'm wrong, so educate me.

Of course I am not saying he'd turn things around 180°. The way your previous post came across, it seemed as if you were saying that nothing would change. Thanks for clarifying.

SOME progress is a LOT better than NO progress, IMO.

[SuzanneT]

FDR? Lincoln?
It's a damn shame when you have to go back 60 years to find a decent president, it took FDR 4 terms to get it all done.

[ProvocativeElement]

FDR? Lincoln?

go ahead, I'm listening . . .

I know more about Lincoln than Roosevelt (which ain't sayin much) - but Lincoln was real clear about not giving a dayumn about the slaves and just caring to preserve The Union while making way for the industrial revolution (again, I'm a bit rusty, so I could be wrong)

[Big Ken]

and my response to you is simple... So what?
how doz any of what you typed Impact Us any more than the negative impact we have on ourselves?

Racism/ Racist White Folks have existed and will con't to exist. That is not our biggest immediate challenge....

black Folk can't read.... Not Whiteys falt
black folk are killing black folk- not whiteys fault
glamorizing prison culture - not whiteys fault
the fracturing of the black family .... absentee fathers- not whiteys fault
calling black women bitches and ho's and capitalizing on it in music and entertainment- not Whiteys fault
BET aint shyt- not Whites fault

again my answer to you comments is SO WHAT?

be less concerned by "them" and more concerned about us...
I totally agree with you on that point. And yes, I do hope when Barack gets in office, we as a people begin to change our way of thinking. And yes, all of that has nothing to do with da white man.

[ProvocativeElement]

Of course I am not saying he'd turn things around 180°. The way your previous post came across, it seemed as if you were saying that nothing would change. Thanks for clarifying.

SOME progress is a LOT better than NO progress, IMO.

agreed, some progress is better than none -

[DJ Loka]

agreed, some progress is better than none -



at the very least that's realistic. washington works a certain way, that won't change no matter WHO is in there.

as far as change goes we can hope for getting out of iraq, and getting out of debt, getting some tax cuts to the middle class so our entire economy doesn't collapse, and getting some corporations doing their business in the USA, so there actually IS a MIDDLE again.

[Moksha]

I know more about Lincoln than Roosevelt (which ain't sayin much) - but Lincoln was real clear about not giving a dayumn about the slaves and just caring to preserve The Union while making way for the industrial revolution (again, I'm a bit rusty, so I could be wrong)

Errr... no.

[The Buddy Love Show]

KBig has gone Ahab on us!!!

I'm digging your passion.

Brava!!!!!!!

[ProvocativeElement]

Errr... no.

no what? my comments on Lincoln or that the civil war and the end of slavery did not precede the industrial revolution?

break it down for me . . .

[The Buddy Love Show]

BTW...That "one man cant make a difference" stuff is utter nonsense

I can think of MANY folk whom have changed the world

maybe Obama should do a follow up work called "The Audacity of Dreams - Reclaiming the Superman"

[the crackhouse]

It's been some years I have been communicating here and I remember my first months when I didn't know what was the black US folk life like.

Now that I could read on various topics for years, and could follow your country's changes during Bush from the European medias, I can feel how strange Obama at the White House could be for you AND the racists (silent and loud ones).

Some things I could say here about your situation and my views are:
- I doubt that Obama can reach the White House, due to the medias role in your lives. Then, I also dream of it because it would have many symbols over the Bush years: First black president, a change in the way politics have been in the US, the citizen caring for their country outside of the Bushistic call for patrotism, a new definition of foreign politics.

- A lot of US citizen seem to be USA focused. It's nothing but normal when your country is a continent in itself. But watching some US TV channels, I can compare to foreign channels which are going deeper in their investigation, treatment of the subjects and really concerned about the Worldwide situation. I would even say "less oriented".
I'm glad you are travelling more and more abroad, and I know that black people can be less the victims of racism in many countries off the US. You need to know and accept that, I think, to reach other solutions. This is really a US problem that you live, which can be related into other countries and compared too, but try to get out of your environment, it will help you for sure.

I don't know if you will understand what I mean, but I'm very positive about the issues I can find on this forum. More and more people here are accepting the difference and escaping their prejudice: feeling that you know the truth.
I was a total looser when I got here, but the mixity of the people openned my eyes on the US and the black US issues (what a list!).
I guess US black DHPers may have felt less alone in this international context, things can be different, you're not surrounded by walls and honestly the foreign countries ar calling for a change in the US government.

You really need to go for a change in politics, even if some of you feel that nothing will change or things will be harder than ever, the Bush ages will end and you will have to stand up and be strong.

Maybe this is some off topic but I can just feel what you're living, so my writings may be lower than yours.

With all my deepest respect

Idance

[The Buddy Love Show]

Crackhouse

Thanks for a sober and humble words on your views on our system. It is interesting to know how we are viewed

Peace

[mhd]

Crackhouse

Thanks for a sober and humble words on your views on our system. It is interesting to know how we are viewed

Peace

lol @ sober and crachouse in the same sentence

[the crackhouse]

Crackhouse

Thanks for a sober and humble words on your views on our system. It is interesting to know how we are viewed

Peace

From France then Belgium, I know that public opinion has become really mad about the whole US in the first couple of Bush years.
Then slowly it turned out to be that the government was the problem and US citizen were not all satisfied, but still under the influence of the "controlled medias".
And today I think a lot of the public attention is aimed at the fall of the Bush administration and the hope of a new era in US politics (internal and foreign).

People like Michael Moore or Sean Penn (and many others) did show that not all the country was going for war, and after that a lot of news and documentaries totally excluded the US citizen of supporting their government.

Idance

[The Buddy Love Show]

lol @ sober and crachouse in the same sentence
stop!

LOL

[KBig]

sheesh ....

"one man can't make a difference"

"should we put so much into one Man?"

Must I lay everything out for yall - lil ray


One man can make a difference! the Single person is the INSPIRATION, the WORK is done by the inspired collective under the guide of that person and the NETWORK they organize and put in place.

MKL- one man- result Civil rights Movement. ONE educated, BRAVE, tireless, INSPIRATIONAL individual who amassed a network to organize, plan, execute and deliver the Civil rights movement ...
He did not do it alone.... He INSPIRED others to join his vision

Harriet Tubman- ONE slave, (taught herself how to read) who inspired others to join her to create a NETWORK known as the Underground Railroad, she was Brave, Tireless, INSPIRATIONAL, who amassed a network to organize, plan, execute and deliver slaves from the South to the North

Barack Obama ... EDUCATED, BRAVE, TIRELESS, INSPIRATIONAL and the last time i looked he hadn't been cloned.


LEARN !

[mhd]

I'm not saying that nothing will change, but we're setting ourselves up for major disappointment if we think that he'll be able to come in and in two terms right all the the wrongs.

It's always easier to mess up than to clean up - and as dynamic as he is, everyone is not gonna fall in line and support the direction for change that he sets. Further, non of 'The American People' sit on the boards and committees that he will have to answer to (what, cause he's president, he doesn't have to answer to anyone? puhlease . . .) just like Vinyl Deficit said, government is business first - all of the Change America fluff that we devour during election time is just that - fluff

please, correct me if I'm wrong . . . name a president that came in, took the helm and turned the country around 180 degrees? I got no problem admitting when I'm wrong, so educate me.

clinton, bush II

[The Buddy Love Show]

clinton, bush IILOL

i agree

from bush to clinton to bush2 was like a 360

[Jay Rags]

[QUOTE=KBig;609259]
black Folk can't read.... Not Whiteys falt
black folk are killing black folk- not whiteys fault
glamorizing prison culture - not whiteys fault
the fracturing of the black family .... absentee fathers- not whiteys fault
calling black women bitches and ho's and capitalizing on it in music and entertainment- not Whiteys fault
BET aint shyt- not Whites fault/QUOTE]

No matter how the above is described, typed, or written, I don't think there's never been a group of statements that I agree with more since I've been on DHP.

[C hristian]

internalized oppression = who's fault?

[Sal Paradise]

Errr... no.

err yes. Lincoln was no abolitionist. Free'ing the slaves was not a moral obligation for him. It was done for the good of capitol and industrialization.

[Moksha]

err yes. Lincoln was no abolitionist. Free'ing the slaves was not a moral obligation for him. It was done for the good of capitol and industrialization.

revisionist bullshit. read any half-decent biography of Lincoln. it is way more complicated than that (and Lincoln spoke and wrote passionately about the immoral aspects of slavery well before he was a contender for the presidency).

Or, just read about the Lincoln-Douglas debates...

[ProvocativeElement]

err yes. Lincoln was no abolitionist. Free'ing the slaves was not a moral obligation for him. It was done for the good of capitol and industrialization.

in a letter to Horace Greeley, Abraham Lincoln writes:


"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it . . . ."

[ProvocativeElement]

revisionist bullshit. read any half-decent biography of Lincoln. it is way more complicated than that (and Lincoln spoke and wrote passionately about the immoral aspects of slavery well before he was a contender for the presidency).

Or, just read about the Lincoln-Douglas debates...

he finishes his letter to Greeley by stating that his desire to to save the Union was his official duty, and that his personal wish was that "all men everywher could be free"

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

but let's not let his personal wishes be confused with his "official" duty and intentions - because if preserving the union meant preserving slavery, he would've surely have pursued that just as passionately - and let's not forget the industrial revolution in all of this -

[The Buddy Love Show]

he finishes his letter to Greeley by stating that his desire to to save the Union was his official duty, and that his personal wish was that "all men everywher could be free"

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/greeley.htm

but let's not let his personal wishes be confused with his "official" duty and intentions - because if preserving the union meant preserving slavery, he would've surely have pursued that just as passionately - and let's not forget the industrial revolution in all of this -

the industrial revolution made manpower redundant

[Dj Izm]

How is it not Ken?

"YT gone be real ruff on us,cause there's a nigga in the white house.."

Regardless if there's a black president or not,there's still gonna be police brutality.There's still gonna be profiling.


Honestly,I'm not giving anyone that power over me.

Why am I gonna think that shit's gonna be worse off than it already is,due to a black president?

Just think on it man...

:thumbsup: Amen!

[Dj Izm]

Whoa!!! Post of the year so far!

Got my vote!!!! :thumbsup:

[Dj Izm]

It's been some years I have been communicating here and I remember my first months when I didn't know what was the black US folk life like.

Now that I could read on various topics for years, and could follow your country's changes during Bush from the European medias, I can feel how strange Obama at the White House could be for you AND the racists (silent and loud ones).

Some things I could say here about your situation and my views are:
- I doubt that Obama can reach the White House, due to the medias role in your lives. Then, I also dream of it because it would have many symbols over the Bush years: First black president, a change in the way politics have been in the US, the citizen caring for their country outside of the Bushistic call for patrotism, a new definition of foreign politics.

- A lot of US citizen seem to be USA focused. It's nothing but normal when your country is a continent in itself. But watching some US TV channels, I can compare to foreign channels which are going deeper in their investigation, treatment of the subjects and really concerned about the Worldwide situation. I would even say "less oriented".
I'm glad you are travelling more and more abroad, and I know that black people can be less the victims of racism in many countries off the US. You need to know and accept that, I think, to reach other solutions. This is really a US problem that you live, which can be related into other countries and compared too, but try to get out of your environment, it will help you for sure.

I don't know if you will understand what I mean, but I'm very positive about the issues I can find on this forum. More and more people here are accepting the difference and escaping their prejudice: feeling that you know the truth.
I was a total looser when I got here, but the mixity of the people openned my eyes on the US and the black US issues (what a list!).
I guess US black DHPers may have felt less alone in this international context, things can be different, you're not surrounded by walls and honestly the foreign countries ar calling for a change in the US government.

You really need to go for a change in politics, even if some of you feel that nothing will change or things will be harder than ever, the Bush ages will end and you will have to stand up and be strong.

Maybe this is some off topic but I can just feel what you're living, so my writings may be lower than yours.

With all my deepest respect

Idance

This was SO well-said!! Thank you!! Folks in the US tend to forget how other folks perceive us AND we tend to forget that OUR own country's media lies to us just like in other places!

We're forever talking about how the Iranian media lies to their people or how the Russians were controlled back in the cold war days by their media. We're NO DIFFERENT!!!

I watched CNN the other day during the election results and it was funny to me. They've been in love with Obama for a while and they've been trashing Hillary (slightly) for a minute! The Reps concentrated on Hillary as if they wanted to run against her more than anybody else and the media put her up as the new Democratic candidate. Then, something happened. The (not-black-enough-for-some) candidate started making waves, having momentum. Now, they're on his jock, skewing things in his favor!

*sigh*

When will we learn?!?!!?

Thanks again for your comments dude!

Peace....

[The Buddy Love Show]

Obama is the nominee

y'all excuse making negroes are now 95% "full of shit"

[Friday]

folks sounding like str8 up Slaves!


Slave-"Massa gone beat us double if you run away for freedom"....



omg k, i nearly chocked on my lunch hahahaha:rofl:

[Bill Blake]

omg k, i nearly chocked on my lunch hahahaha:rofl:

Um dude...she posted that like four months ago.

[D J 1 3 8]

folks sounding like str8 up Slaves!


Slave-"Massa gone beat us double if you run away for freedom"....

Rebel- Mass gone beat us ANYWAY....


Ken what the phucc are you scared of man? When are we gonna realize that RACISM is never going away ... and its only a CLOAK for MONEY and and POWER,

Dey got chall minds, Black People. Not only do they have you all believeing Barack CANT do it , but when HE shows you that he can, Yall resort to Massa gone beat us worse?

Dayum Yall do more damage to Barack and yourselves than ANY WHITE RACIST COULD.

Niggaz are scared of revolution... those words by GHS aint never been more true

Sometimes I wish Barack was White.... then I know he would win cuz Yall Niggaz would DEFINITELY vote for him then.


Niggaz. :wtf:

this post is so deep I think it went over the heads of many

[Friday]

Um dude...she posted that like four months ago.
yea, i just realized that...it was still a good one hahahahaha :rofl:

[geo]

our excuses will die

jmo

Great point. The big problem as I see it is that he will be inheriting the mess that Bush has made. If Obama does get the Presidency then history WILL NOT be kind.

And anyone talking about more black folk being locked up- put down the crack pipe.

[DaveR]

Great point. The big problem as I see it is that he will be inheriting the mess that Bush has made ...
You must be joking :stupid:

Inheriting a mess, is the best opportunity to achieve quick and long term wins ... you can show up, and start doing good things on Day 731 ... b/c Days 1-730 were fucked up

[Armento]

wowowow.. what a thread.

KBig :respent:

[geo]

You must be joking :stupid:

Inheriting a mess, is the best opportunity to achieve quick and long term wins ... you can show up, and start doing good things on Day 731 ... b/c Days 1-730 were fucked up

:rofl:

Sorry- too much too little, too late IMHO.

This isn't a little consultancy gig. We are talking about trillions of dollars in the hole, no jobs, no social systems in place etc etc. This isn't like turning around a failing company.

[AMc]

If he wins, just let nature take its course.

Celebrate that Mr. Obama won because of people of all colours, religions, etc.

I could give 2 shits if Obama was Black, White , or whatever. I like the man, period. Americans should be celebrating the fact that many people came together to get him where he is today. His family, friends, teachers, & voters.

It isn't a Black vs. White thing people. It's about good vs. evil.

[DaveR]

:rofl:

Sorry- too much too little, too late IMHO.

This isn't a little consultancy gig. We are talking about trillions of dollars in the hole, no jobs, no social systems in place etc etc. This isn't like turning around a failing company.
Not sure what this has to do with a consultancy or a failing company, aside from an obvious failed attempt at a personal dig

If it's "too much too little, too late IMHO", IYHO what is the point of anyone running for President? ... and what exactly is it like? - do tell

The point of PWW's thread is to shuck the excuses (in case you missed that) - it appears that you are developing them in advance, for the next administration ... brilliant

[Armento]

haha ... I think the dig worked :lol:

[DaveR]

haha ... I think the dig worked :lol:
How so?

[Armento]

How so?
u seemed annoyed.... hugs

[DaveR]

u seemed annoyed.... hugs
Do you mean because I typed a response? ... Because I pointed out that a Presidental Nominee's message of hope and change, is still lost on some that have a loser's excuse-ridden approach?

Again, I'll ask "how so"

Type more please

[Armento]

Do you mean because I typed a response? ... Because I pointed out that a Presidental Nominee's message of hope and change, is still lost on some that have a loser's excuse-ridden approach?

Again, I'll ask "how so"

Type more please
On the topic I agree with your point entirely. I thought the dig worked because you responded addressing the dig seriously. Nothing serious.

[DaveR]

On the topic I agree with your point entirely. I thought the dig worked because you responded addressing the dig seriously. Nothing serious.
If homie was late with my Accounts Receivable, I'd be annoyed ... other than that, it's pure comedy, and a whole lot of shame :)

[Armento]

See that's the DaveR response I'm conditioned to and then a serious one happens.

On the topic. You guys are right. The way to advance in any cause is to reach, keep reaching and persevere, NOT to act cautiously and paranoid.

[DaveR]

See that's the DaveR response I'm conditioned to and then a serious one happens.

On the topic. You guys are right. The way to advance in any cause is to reach, keep reaching and persevere, NOT to act cautiously and paranoid.
You expected something like this :conf44:

Coming Soon - geo starring as Donald's mentee in the Sequel?

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[Armento]

certainly not. :(

[geo]

Not sure what this has to do with a consultancy or a failing company, aside from an obvious failed attempt at a personal dig

If it's "too much too little, too late IMHO", IYHO what is the point of anyone running for President? ... and what exactly is it like? - do tell

The point of PWW's thread is to shuck the excuses (in case you missed that) - it appears that you are developing them in advance, for the next administration ... brilliant

Not meant to be a personal dig at all- I just felt that your "you can show up, and start doing good things on Day 731 ... b/c Days 1-730 were fucked up" sounded alot like business talk. And I don't feel that has too many similarities to a superpower practically on it's last legs.

For the record I think history will show Obama to be a bad president due to what he inherited. S'all I said.

Now carry on with the YouTube posts that shit was funny as hell.

[DaveR]

certainly not. :(
:rofl:

With free time, I always gotta try and reconcile bullshit :biggrin:

- How are Agents and supporters gonna lobby to get Undecided, and Independent voters, to vote for their candidate, based on promises of achieving XYZ
- Then (in advance) say if he wins, here are the reasons why he won't accomplish XYZ

That shit doesn't fly in setting up a lemonade stand, booking an event, working for a company or the Fed Gov, and certainly not in politics!

"No New Taxes"

[The Buddy Love Show]

Great point. The big problem as I see it is that he will be inheriting the mess that Bush has made. If Obama does get the Presidency then history WILL NOT be kind.


Same situation has already been encountered

a man called FDR

He brought the usa out of a depression and thru WW2. Cleaning up messes can be accomplished thru vision and determination

[DaveR]

Not meant to be a personal dig at all- I just felt that your "you can show up, and start doing good things on Day 731 ... b/c Days 1-730 were fucked up" sounded alot like business talk. And I don't feel that has too many similarities to a superpower practically on it's last legs.

For the record I think history will show Obama to be a bad president due to what he inherited. S'all I said.

Now carry on with the YouTube posts that shit was funny as hell.
Politics and serving the public IS Business ... you ain't figured that out yet?

On Day 1 in anything - setting up a lemonade stand, organizing a benefit, working for a company or the FedGov, and in politics as a leader ... you can most certainly accomplish wins on Day 1.

- Firing Dead Weight (it appears that you'd be on that radar)
- Organizing
- Communicating Change
- Driving systematic overhaul through the entire organization (which is the Country)

Tag a Polar Bear that can run a lemonde stand, and the person can be a successful candidate and elected official

* Course what do I know, you'd think I was hired to be some Subject Matter Expert to the Department of Defense / U.S. Air Force Office of Warfighting Integration or something ... yeah, I just do "little consultancies" ... so you're right, please continue writing the future-history books, and let me know when I can pre-order a copy on Amazon :thumbsup:

BTW, explain to me the "superpower practically on its legs comment" ... and while answering, please note that you are typing from the comfort of your home, on the internet, on DHP, during which time you could be getting up off your ass, and doing a multitude of things to make your life (and outlook) better, in this foresaken country.

[geo]

BTW, explain to me the "superpower on it's legs comment" ... and while answering, please note that you are typing from the comfort of your home, on the internet, on DHP, during which time you could be getting up off your ass, and doing a multitude of things to make your life (and outlook) better, in this foresaken country.

My bad- I meant to say last legs. Yes I'm sat on my ass at home. With my head in a book studying after a 12 hour work day.

Seriously get over what you perceived as personal attacks. I'm being Orwellian in my thinking. And I thought I was sharing thoughts not participating in a round table on how to ensure Obama succeeds.

For the record: My original comment holds true for whoever gets the White House.

10-4

[DaveR]

...

For the record: My original comment holds true for whoever gets the White House.

10-4
For the record, the more you type, the more I scratch my head:

How did the Clinton administration depart from the Bush/Reagan era?
How did the current Bush administration depart from the Clinton era?
How did any administration for that matter, make huge changes from the previous one?

If accomplishments can't be realized due to inheritance, and perceptions will remain the same (as you are saying here) then what exactly is the point of having a new President and administration?

... Someone get Castro on the line please

* Sincerely, props to you and your studies ... now go study some more, DHP can rot ya brain cells :rofl:

[mjoseph]

I'm being Orwellian in my thinking.

i'm being bahamian in my thinking.

"yuh leg short"

[geo]

For the record, the more you type, the more I scratch my head:

How did the Clinton administration depart from the Bush/Reagan era?
How did the current Bush administration depart from the Clinton era?
How did any administration for that matter, make huge changes from the previous one?

If accomplishments can't be realized due to inheritance, and perceptions will remain the same (as you are saying here) then what exactly is the point of having a new President and administration?

... Someone get Castro on the line please

* Sincerely, props to you and your studies ... now go study some more, DHP can rot ya brain cells :rofl:

This is getting lost down the wire somehow.

Why are you going back to the Reagan era? When I said: "My original comment holds true for whoever gets the White House" I was referring to whoever ends up being the next President, be it: Obama; McCain; McCartney; Ronald McDonald; Ralph Nader or Armin Van Burren.

My point is simple- the States is in a real messy way. Whoever inherits it will not be looked at kindly by history IMHO. That's it.

[DaveR]

...

Why are you going back to the Reagan era? ...
because sometimes I like to deliver points, based on historical evidence :conf44:

[The Buddy Love Show]

My point is simple- the States is in a real messy way. Whoever inherits it will not be looked at kindly by history IMHO. That's it.

How do you explain FDR?

[DaveR]

... My point is simple- the States is in a real messy way. Whoever inherits it will not be looked at kindly by history IMHO. That's it.
I understood your point from post #1 ... my point is, if the next President handles his/her business, history will be more than kind - often referred to as 'measuring the delta'

[geo]

How do you explain FDR?

He's an anomaly? I dunno- you have to admit that these are two very different times though. In FDRs time the World was looking for a superpower. This time it could be argued you have India and China waiting to pick up the slack.

[geo]

I understood your point from post #1 ... my point is, if the next President handles his/her business, history will be more than kind - often referred to as 'measuring the delta'

I absolutely agree- and I very much hope that is the case.

I guess I am just stepping away from the pure politics of it and looking with a slightly different lens. The world is going to be a very, very different place in five years time.

[mjoseph]

n/m

[Armento]

n/m to your n/m then

[geo]

I have decided to be cremated

That's hot

[The Buddy Love Show]

He's an anomaly? I dunno- you have to admit that these are two very different times though. In FDRs time the World was looking for a superpower. This time it could be argued you have India and China waiting to pick up the slack.


The USA was a superpower with a global military and political hegemony from the Phillipines to South America and the Caribbean. In the years prior to (and during) FDR we had just drop kicked the krauts and put foot to ass in Cuba and PR. In addition the country was in the midst of the Depression. Overall times were MUCH worse than what Obama will face.

And yet we overcame - under the leadership of a cripple

[geo]

The USA was a superpower with a global military and political hegemony from the Phillipines to South America and the Caribbean. In the years prior to (and during) FDR we had just drop kicked the krauts and put foot to ass in Cuba and PR. In addition the country was in the midst of the Depression. Overall times were MUCH worse than what Obama will face.

And yet we overcame - under the leadership of a cripple

Do you think history will repeat itself? I don't know enough about FRD (clearly) to really talk to the subject but wasn't the driver for the American economy selling arms to the Allies?

[The Buddy Love Show]

Do you think history will repeat itself? I don't know enough about FRD (clearly) to really talk to the subject but wasn't the driver for the American economy selling arms to the Allies?

Driver for the economy was Keynesian economics and FDRs collectivist outlook

(then again, war IS good for business)

[Fletch]

Quiet as it's kept (sorry, Mike Barnes)......Obama's candidacy gives Ward Connerlly all the ammunition he needs!

[geo]

Driver for the economy was Keynesian economics and FDRs collectivist outlook

(then again, war IS good for business)

Interesting. But Keynes' policies made sense in 1920's Britain- how so in 2000's US? I'm not sure it works with the very different demographics of the two times. The aging population is a big, big roadblock to that school of economics working in this day and age.

Though I am all for some element of state control over business for sure.

[DaveR]

... The world is going to be a very, very different place in five years time.
No doubt, and those that embrace that fact, and act now, will be fine

There are many people in the country, and the world who's livelyhood is not hinged on an administration and policies -- they make choices, to better themselves, and in the aggregate, they better the masses around them (at minimum, their own family).

During the mid-late 90s, you could just register a domain name www.lickmyhairyballs.com (http://www.lickmyhairyballs.com/) , and have a launch party - and 1 month later, you'd get bought out for $5MM ... some opted to go that route, and even if they failed, they entered themselves into the IT area (which has flourished since then, and is one of the better fields today) --- and 10 years ago, IT was in the basement of an organization (so many looked down on IT (literally, LOL)) , and the stereotype was a pocket-protecting nerd ... but look at a Mark Cuban

Also during that time, there were people not willing to risk going to work for peanuts at a startup ... and opted for the real and 'percieved' stability of a big F500 company --- those people have made out fine, with 401Ks and such, even if the company has since left us.

Times have changed from the late 90s, and many in the 2 groups I outlined above, are doing well ... some aren't

During good and bad times/economies, going back to school is a choice that makes people Admnistration-proof ... if the economy is good, it's a good time to go - if the economy is bad, it's a great time to hide out on campus and not get frustrated by the economy.

If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

The world will definitely be different 5 years from now - but 5 years from now, some people will still be the same (with the same excuses), on why the world sucks

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:

[The Buddy Love Show]

Interesting. But Keynes' policies made sense in 1920's Britain- how so in 2000's US? I'm not sure it works with the very different demographics of the two times. The aging population is a big, big roadblock to that school of economics working in this day and age.


Your question was about the driver of the economy under Roosevelt

edit

btw

Keynes policies made sense in 1920s Britian

as well as in

In 1930s USA
In 1940's USA
1n 1950s USA
In 1960s USA
In 1970s USA
In 1980s USA
In 1990s USA
and are still taught and considered as sound TODAY

[geo]

Your question was about the driver of the economy under Roosevelt

Oh yeah.

Off on a tangent so I was.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!



Wow, that sounds like some o dat Keynesian economics

Too bad this isnt 1920s Britain!!!!!!!

[Fletch]

I am so glad you brought up Roosevelt. I wished that people learned more about him. It is unbelievable how a man who gets polio AS AN ADULT (unheard of, even then!) manages to use the best of what he has; he goes to a spot that becomes a dumping ground for polio kids (he's the lone adult!). He takes over that situation and uses it for 1) a political comeback; and 2) speeding up the cure for polio.

There's a reason why he was able to do what he did in the Oval Office!

[geo]

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:

Yeah but with Obama in the Oval Office, being a house head and all, they might get booked.

[Fletch]

those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

I'm thinking.....sorry to say it, but makers of anti-flashback medication are gonna blowup, too!

[geo]

Too bad this isnt 1920s Britain!!!!!!!

Co-sign. A great era.

[The Buddy Love Show]

I am so glad you brought up Roosevelt. I wished that people learned more about him. It is unbelievable how a man who gets polio AS AN ADULT (unheard of, even then!) manages to use the best of what he has; he goes to a spot that becomes a dumping ground for polio kids (he's the lone adult!). He takes over that situation and uses it for 1) a political comeback; and 2) speeding up the cure for polio.

There's a reason why he was able to do what he did in the Oval Office!


the man saved the country from the buffoonery of Herbert Hoover (aka G W Bush Lite)

[Fletch]

Yeah but with Obama in the Oval Office, being a house head and all, they might get booked.Househead is gonna have to embrace the market.........Change a househead is gonna have to believe in!

[DaveR]

Yeah but with Obama in the Oval Office, being a house head and all, they might get booked.
:rofl:

[Fletch]

the man saved the country from the buffoonery of Herbert Hoover (aka G W Bush Lite)Ever see the HBO movie "Warm Springs"? Great movie! Dude who played FDR was great. Cynthia Nixon as Eleanor was fabulous!

[DaveR]

31 Careers With Bright Futures (http://www.usnews.com/articles/business/best-careers/2007/12/19/best-careers-for-a-changing-job-landscape.html)

http://www.usnews.com/features/business/best-careers/best-careers-2008.html

The careers listed at left offer strong outlooks and high job satisfaction. Each career is profiled in two parts: an executive summary and a portrait of a typical day in the life.

-------------------------

Screw gas prices, don't worry if Hillary supporters are going to vote for Kimbo Slice, just to screw over Ralph Nader

Check in to one of the 31 flavors above, and eliminate the "I can't because ..." line from your vocabulary

[The Buddy Love Show]

Ever see the HBO movie "Warm Springs"? Great movie! Dude who played FDR was great. Cynthia Nixon as Eleanor was fabulous!

I never saw it but damned if we couldnt use an FDR today

A new WPA would be a boon to the country and the economy. High speed train networks. New green technologies that benefitted the collective. High speed internet access for all. Worker training in gerontology (baby boomers are dying) related services. Transformation of the rust belt. Revamped nuclear industry.

Inflationary - yes. But the right kind of inflation.

[Fletch]

I'll repeat the question.....

Y'all know why Ward Connerlly is lovin' this Obama thing, right?

[Moksha]

considered as sound TODAY

debatable

[djroc2u]

It's what happens when your view may oppose those of power (not talking about admins) on this site. The "gang up" as I like to call it. It usually pisses members off to the point of a banning.

You can usually defend yourself without being banned just by refraining from the name calling, something I really appreciate about this site.

Sorry, I digress.....

IF Barack becomes President, and even IF he is a good President, it's probably safe to say that all the opinions stated in this thread would matter....

Things will be the same, yet different, regardless.

The best thing I see is that change is finally occurring in US government politics. We're getting to know each other better, and hopefully more Black people (and whomever) will realize that many White people like & respect you, and want to work with you! Vice versa that as well....

This whole race is something to look forward to, no matter what colour you are.


co-sign

[djroc2u]

LOL

i agree

from bush to clinton to bush2 was like a 360


you beat me to that statement,although i was no supporter of clinton myself

[djroc2u]

"Take de shackles off of your mind people"!!

sometimes you have to show some folks the actual "shackles" then addressing the issue(more than black folks in this country that are mentally enslaved)

[djroc2u]

If he wins, just let nature take its course.

Celebrate that Mr. Obama won because of people of all colours, religions, etc.

I could give 2 shits if Obama was Black, White , or whatever. I like the man, period. Americans should be celebrating the fact that many people came together to get him where he is today. His family, friends, teachers, & voters.

It isn't a Black vs. White thing people. It's about good vs. evil.


tell that last sentence to sean hannity. lol

[djroc2u]

:rofl:

Sorry- too much too little, too late IMHO.

This isn't a little consultancy gig. We are talking about trillions of dollars in the hole, no jobs, no social systems in place etc etc. This isn't like turning around a failing company.


geo
its about putting some direct changing policies in place so that this country can be better for all that live here.

[djroc2u]

No doubt, and those that embrace that fact, and act now, will be fine

There are many people in the country, and the world who's livelyhood is not hinged on an administration and policies -- they make choices, to better themselves, and in the aggregate, they better the masses around them (at minimum, their own family).

During the mid-late 90s, you could just register a domain name www.lickmyhairyballs.com (http://www.lickmyhairyballs.com/) , and have a launch party - and 1 month later, you'd get bought out for $5MM ... some opted to go that route, and even if they failed, they entered themselves into the IT area (which has flourished since then, and is one of the better fields today) --- and 10 years ago, IT was in the basement of an organization (so many looked down on IT (literally, LOL)) , and the stereotype was a pocket-protecting nerd ... but look at a Mark Cuban

Also during that time, there were people not willing to risk going to work for peanuts at a startup ... and opted for the real and 'percieved' stability of a big F500 company --- those people have made out fine, with 401Ks and such, even if the company has since left us.

Times have changed from the late 90s, and many in the 2 groups I outlined above, are doing well ... some aren't

During good and bad times/economies, going back to school is a choice that makes people Admnistration-proof ... if the economy is good, it's a good time to go - if the economy is bad, it's a great time to hide out on campus and not get frustrated by the economy.

If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

The world will definitely be different 5 years from now - but 5 years from now, some people will still be the same (with the same excuses), on why the world sucks

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:



an ex co-worker i knew of is in college now for logistics and management. he said the same thing about the economy in five years.

[djroc2u]

it easier to remain a slave to one's one bullshyt, Rich.

that would mean becoming informed, reading, doing research, being INVOLVED and PARTICIPATING in one's own destiny. U can't do that if you sit on a couch all day play video games, whining about not making more money, being stagnant and irresponsible.

Taking your own destiny in your own hand requires WORK

and Niggaz are lazy

kbig
i feel ya on what youre posting but this state of mentality some black folks have didnt happen overnite and wont go away as fast either.

each one teach one

[djroc2u]

and my response to you is simple... So what?
how doz any of what you typed Impact Us any more than the negative impact we have on ourselves?

Racism/ Racist White Folks have existed and will con't to exist. That is not our biggest immediate challenge....

black Folk can't read.... Not Whiteys falt
black folk are killing black folk- not whiteys fault
glamorizing prison culture - not whiteys fault
the fracturing of the black family .... absentee fathers- not whiteys fault
calling black women bitches and ho's and capitalizing on it in music and entertainment- not Whiteys fault
BET aint shyt- not Whites fault

again my answer to you comments is SO WHAT?

be less concerned by "them" and more concerned about us...


i concur, but like i said before, the mentality of some black folk is generational.
it takes time to change what some black folks thoughts , beliefs and perceptions taken as truth.

[djroc2u]

sometimes you have to show some folks the actual "shackles" then addressing the issue(more than black folks in this country that are mentally enslaved)

i shouldve just said perception vs reality

[the crackhouse]

I think that in the US, competition is established as a manner of living.
"You did beat me on this one..."
So what if this is a double : common competition + I'm a black man?

Maybe, after looking back at how many ideas have become concrete from black people (music, laws, sports, science, etc...), black folks should relax a little bit and get out of the stereotype. The mental-slaves are here.

I liked Spike lee's movies for most of his 90s productions. Then I saw "Do the right thing" again this year. The message is still the same : "We want more brothers on the wall."
You can call Lee a thinker, but still all the characters of this movies are "niggers", well-stereotyped niggers. The Mayor who's an alcoholic wiseman (the diamond in the mud), Lee's girl is moving her head while talking "ghetto" (but she's an independant woman), the big mute guy with his boombox is a big-rapper-athletic-guy with no brains (when the power of Public Enemy is coming out his speakers, power to the people)...

I know that you can analyze Lee's work on this movie and find as many excuses as needed, but it's still the picture of the stereotyped "nigger" (sorry... "nigga") which is used.

Is it a fact that the black man is scared of revolution? The Last Poets did reject all stereotypes in their song, they knew that the black man's image was freezing.
Did that happen in Africa? Well you're far from the US.

Again, I advise all of you who can afford a trip outside the States to get the real deal and feel less centered on your lives (for which I will never say they are not hard ones).

I know, so easy from the mouth of a whitey European, but I felt the need to say that you're such a band of unique and crazy for most part individuals.

Idance

[The Buddy Love Show]

Damn, sometimes I cant stand me either:

Barack Obama's Election Would Kill Affirmative Action
By Bonnie Erbe
Jul 17, 2008
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(US News) It's a pretty safe bet the majority of Barack Obama supporters also champion affirmative action or racial and gender preferences in employment, college admissions, and government contracting. It's an even safer bet most Obama supporters who want to hang onto what little federal courts still grant by way of racial and gender preferences have not considered the devastating impact an Obama presidency could have on those preferences, particularly racial preferences.

What impact would an African-American in the White House have on racial preferences? The liberal Left has not done much by way of debating the issue thus far in the presidential race. But the conservative Right sure has. The Boston Globe's website in March ran an article relating the fact that anti-affirmative action conservatives are "seizing" on Obama's run as proof of how passe race-based remedies are for past discrimination:

Influential Republicans and a growing number of policy specialists at conservative organizations, including the Goldwater Institute, Project 21, and the Manhattan Institute, are citing the fact that large numbers of white voters are supporting Obama, who leads in the race for Democratic delegates, as evidence that affirmative action has run its course. Ward Connerly, a black conservative who is leading a national effort to ban racial preferences, vowed to use Obama's success as evidence for anti-affirmative action ballot initiatives his organization is promoting in five states.

Obama distances himself from racial preferences whenever he discusses affirmative action in public fora. Most recently in May, he was asked on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos if his daughters should be given racial preferences when they apply to college. He responded that they "should probably be treated by any admissions officer as folks who are pretty advantaged."

It seems like ancient history, but this time last year and even into the fall of '07, Sen. Hillary Clinton was garnering the majority of support from African-American voters. Until she made her ill-considered remarks (which appeared to diminish the accomplishments of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and bolster the role played by President Lyndon Johnson in passing civil rights laws), Clinton was backed by some three quarters of black voters.

By the end of the primaries, of course, Obama amassed 90 percent of the black vote. But earlier on, I remember asking several African-American friends why the black community was supporting Clinton by such large margins when there was an African-American in the primary race. The most common response was that African-Americans trusted Clinton more to do better for their community.

This is, of course, anecdotal information, unsubstantiated by data. Most voters at the time (white, black, and every other color) didn't know much about Obama's record, so that could have been why they told pollsters they were backing Clinton over Obama. Senator Clinton and her husband both went on to make inexplicably stupid remarks about race. That could have been why she lost majority black support.

But the fact it came up so often as a response tells me those same voters should be registering more concern over Obama's stance and impact on racial preferences if he becomes president than they are.

Federal courts have traditionally permitted racial preferences as a remedy for past discrimination.

The Supreme Court has slowly been whittling away at the use of such preferences, continuously narrowing the scenarios under which they are permissible. In June 2007, the court struck down plans in Louisville, Ky., and Seattle that assigned students to K-12 public schools based partly on the color of their skin. This was the most recent in a series of cases since the mid-1980s in which the court has whittled away first at quotas and later at preferences.

What could do more damage to th argument that African-Americans deserve racial preferences than a majority of Americans voting to put an African-American in the White House? Little, from where I sit. Of course, there will still be economic data showing African-Americans disproportionately represented among low-income Americans. But the argument racial bias is widespread in American society becomes that much more difficult to make.



By Bonnie Erbe
Copyright © 2008 U.S.News & World Report, L.P. All rights reserved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/17/usnews/whispers/main4269651.shtml

[The Buddy Love Show]

Bump!!!!

[DaveR]

Bump!!!!
:respent:

[The Buddy Love Show]

Lets continue the "Greenhouse aint friendly to the brothaman" conversation in this thread

lol

[vic]

Lets continue the "Greenhouse aint friendly to the brothaman" conversation in this thread

lol

The election of Obama was meant to unify the races. Not just here, but the entire fricken world. What the hell went wrong?

[ngeso]

The election of Obama was meant to unify the races. Not just here, but the entire fricken world. What the hell went wrong?



What on earth makes you think that?

...

[MarkK]

What on earth makes you think that?

...

Negso, you forgot to put up your sarcasm antenna.

[ngeso]

Negso, you forgot to put up your sarcasm antenna.


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/ngeso/Funnies/30i86k3.gif



Seriously though: when guys say these things, it's like...a joke, right? They don't mean it. They can't.

[Martin Red]

our excuses will die

jmo


it's the moms fault, the white half.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Bye-bye excuses

You were a good crutch

[older&wiser]

Bye-bye excuses

You were a good crutch

not so fast.......
speak for yourself......
i still have some excuses i need to cash in..........:tongueout:

[Jamie 3:26]

Bye-bye excuses

You were a good crutch

Werd...

[MadMixer]

"when white will embrace what's right".....Classic

[liL Ray]

Bye-bye excuses

You were a good crutch

which is why I am busting my ass, changing focus, businesswise, and spending less time here.

It's time to do...put up or shut up time!

[The Buddy Love Show]

not so fast.......
speak for yourself......
i still have some excuses i need to cash in..........:tongueout:

LOL

I need to cash in my digital convertor coupon muhself!

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

our excuses will die

jmo

I hope others will tahe this to heart.

[DaveR]

Bye-bye excuses

You were a good crutch
:hail::rofl5:

[boxmusic]

great thread.

K.

[Cratebug]

It'll be business as usual - I don't know why Black Folx think that anything will change he is just one man. One thing's for sure, we'll be able to see the toll that the pressure of being the leader of 'The Free World' takes on him.

Wanting to fufill his promises and ideals but being bound and accountable to faces and agendas that we know nothing of. Can't walk on water, heal the sick or feed the multitudes - And the criticism he'll reap from everyone and every direction will be unfathomable!


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[DaveR]

No doubt, and those that embrace that fact, and act now, will be fine

There are many people in the country, and the world who's livelyhood is not hinged on an administration and policies -- they make choices, to better themselves, and in the aggregate, they better the masses around them (at minimum, their own family).

During the mid-late 90s, you could just register a domain name www.lickmyhairyballs.com (http://www.lickmyhairyballs.com/) , and have a launch party - and 1 month later, you'd get bought out for $5MM ... some opted to go that route, and even if they failed, they entered themselves into the IT area (which has flourished since then, and is one of the better fields today) --- and 10 years ago, IT was in the basement of an organization (so many looked down on IT (literally, LOL)) , and the stereotype was a pocket-protecting nerd ... but look at a Mark Cuban

Also during that time, there were people not willing to risk going to work for peanuts at a startup ... and opted for the real and 'percieved' stability of a big F500 company --- those people have made out fine, with 401Ks and such, even if the company has since left us.

Times have changed from the late 90s, and many in the 2 groups I outlined above, are doing well ... some aren't

During good and bad times/economies, going back to school is a choice that makes people Admnistration-proof ... if the economy is good, it's a good time to go - if the economy is bad, it's a great time to hide out on campus and not get frustrated by the economy.

If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

The world will definitely be different 5 years from now - but 5 years from now, some people will still be the same (with the same excuses), on why the world sucks

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:
Here we go ...

A Career Fair for MBA Veterans
Posted by: Alison Damast on October 16

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/blogs/mba_admissions/archives/2009/10/a_career_fair_f.html

I recently wrote a story (http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/oct2009/bs2009105_285350.htm?chan=bschools_bschool+index+p age_top+stories) about how business schools are trying to attract more candidates with military experience through new initiatives like the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs’ Yellow Ribbon program. Recruiters also are angling for a chance to bring veterans into their companies, pursuing them more aggressively than ever before. One way some are doing this is by participating in the MBA Veterans Career Conference today in Chicago, which organizers are billing as the first event of its kind. A number of top companies – 14 in total – are recruiting at the career fair including big names like Apple (http://bx.businessweek.com/apple/news/), General Electric (http://bx.businessweek.com/general-electric-co/), Google (http://bx.businessweek.com/google/) and Credit Suisse (http://bx.businessweek.com/general-electric-co/). Recruiters will be talking to 130 veterans from 41 business schools, a majority of whom served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The career fair was organized by David Chonowski and Chris Peterson, both former U.S. army officers. The pair founded the MBA Veterans Network (http://mbaveterans.com/welcome) last fall, while they were second-year MBA students at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/illinois.html). Their vision was to help connect military personnel with recruiters from leading companies, as well as raise funds for a charity focused on helping soldiers and their families (a donation this year will be made to Paradox Sports, an organization founded by a United States Military Academy graduate who was injured in Iraq).

So far, it seems like the pair has accomplished their goals. It will be interesting to follow how influential this organization becomes as more military personnel start coming home in the next few months and years. It seems like it has a lot of potential to become a real resource for veterans, as well as companies who want to do more targeted recruiting.
Readers, why do you think companies are interested in hiring more MBA veterans? What special skills do you think they bring to the workforce?

[Fletch]

our excuses will die

jmo"I'm [still] another Blackman caught up in the mix....tryin' to make a dollar outta 15 cents!"
--Shock G

:biggrin:

[The Buddy Love Show]

Here we go ...

A Career Fair for MBA Veterans
Posted by: Alison Damast on October 16

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/blogs/mba_admissions/archives/2009/10/a_career_fair_f.html

I recently wrote a story (http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/oct2009/bs2009105_285350.htm?chan=bschools_bschool+index+p age_top+stories) about how business schools are trying to attract more candidates with military experience through new initiatives like the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs’ Yellow Ribbon program. Recruiters also are angling for a chance to bring veterans into their companies, pursuing them more aggressively than ever before. One way some are doing this is by participating in the MBA Veterans Career Conference today in Chicago, which organizers are billing as the first event of its kind. A number of top companies – 14 in total – are recruiting at the career fair including big names like Apple (http://bx.businessweek.com/apple/news/), General Electric (http://bx.businessweek.com/general-electric-co/), Google (http://bx.businessweek.com/google/) and Credit Suisse (http://bx.businessweek.com/general-electric-co/). Recruiters will be talking to 130 veterans from 41 business schools, a majority of whom served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The career fair was organized by David Chonowski and Chris Peterson, both former U.S. army officers. The pair founded the MBA Veterans Network (http://mbaveterans.com/welcome) last fall, while they were second-year MBA students at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/illinois.html). Their vision was to help connect military personnel with recruiters from leading companies, as well as raise funds for a charity focused on helping soldiers and their families (a donation this year will be made to Paradox Sports, an organization founded by a United States Military Academy graduate who was injured in Iraq).

So far, it seems like the pair has accomplished their goals. It will be interesting to follow how influential this organization becomes as more military personnel start coming home in the next few months and years. It seems like it has a lot of potential to become a real resource for veterans, as well as companies who want to do more targeted recruiting.
Readers, why do you think companies are interested in hiring more MBA veterans? What special skills do you think they bring to the workforce?


you called it!

[Steven Stewart]

Wish I was in Chicago...:biglaugha:

[Discogoddess]

Here we go ...

A Career Fair for MBA Veterans
Posted by: Alison Damast on October 16...

Dave, thanks for posting! Though he missed this event, I passed on this info to the ball and chain.

[DaveR]

Dave, thanks for posting! Though he missed this event, I passed on this info to the ball and chain.
:thumbsup:

[The Buddy Love Show]

Bump

[DaveR]

No doubt, and those that embrace that fact, and act now, will be fine

There are many people in the country, and the world who's livelyhood is not hinged on an administration and policies -- they make choices, to better themselves, and in the aggregate, they better the masses around them (at minimum, their own family).

During the mid-late 90s, you could just register a domain name www.lickmyhairyballs.com (http://www.lickmyhairyballs.com/) , and have a launch party - and 1 month later, you'd get bought out for $5MM ... some opted to go that route, and even if they failed, they entered themselves into the IT area (which has flourished since then, and is one of the better fields today) --- and 10 years ago, IT was in the basement of an organization (so many looked down on IT (literally, LOL)) , and the stereotype was a pocket-protecting nerd ... but look at a Mark Cuban

Also during that time, there were people not willing to risk going to work for peanuts at a startup ... and opted for the real and 'percieved' stability of a big F500 company --- those people have made out fine, with 401Ks and such, even if the company has since left us.

Times have changed from the late 90s, and many in the 2 groups I outlined above, are doing well ... some aren't

During good and bad times/economies, going back to school is a choice that makes people Admnistration-proof ... if the economy is good, it's a good time to go - if the economy is bad, it's a great time to hide out on campus and not get frustrated by the economy.

If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

The world will definitely be different 5 years from now - but 5 years from now, some people will still be the same (with the same excuses), on why the world sucks

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:
(3+ years later)

.
.

Obama proposes tax breaks for hiring vets; urges Congress to work on jobs bills next month

By Associated Press, Updated: Friday, August 5, 12:41 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ap-sources-obama-to-call-for-tax-credits-training-to-help-military-veterans-find-jobs/2011/08/05/gIQAdBhRvI_story.html



<article>
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama proposed tax credits Friday to help companies hire America’s 1 million unemployed military veterans and vowed to press Congress harder this fall for legislation to provide more jobs for all.

Citing the nation’s still wobbly economy and a new report showing unemployment remaining at over 9 percent, Obama told an audience at Washington’s Navy Yard: “We are going to get through this. Things will get better. And we’re going to get there together.”


</article>
Obama’s proposals were part of his efforts to return to a focus on jobs after spending weeks mired in the contentious debt-limit debate.

“My singular focus is the American people. Getting the unemployed back on the job, lifting their wages,” he said.

Obama challenged Congress upon its return to get to work at once on legislation to extend for another year an expiring tax break on Social Security payroll taxes, to further extend unemployment insurance and a program for “putting construction workers back to work rebuilding America.”

Obama spoke after the Labor Department reported that the economy added 117,000 jobs in July while the jobless rate ticked down to 9.1 percent from 9.2 percent in June.

While the report was better than economists had expected, the jobless rate has now topped 9 percent in every month except two since the recession officially ended in June 2009.

Obama said that members of the military returning to civilian life have a particularly hard time finding work in such a difficult environment.

Among the 1 million unemployed veterans, 260,000 are former service members who joined the military after the Sept. 11 attacks.

The long acrimonious battle over raising the government’s debt limit “was divisive, it was delayed,” Obama said. He said if businesses are expected to get cash off the sidelines and to invest and hire “we’ve got to do better than that.”

The government says the unemployment rate for the post-Sept. 11 service members is 13.3 percent.

Obama’s proposal would offer two tax credits for companies that hire unemployed veterans:

— A “Returning Heroes” credit for 2012-2013. Companies that hire unemployed veterans would receive a $2,400 tax credit. It would increase to $4,800 if the veteran has been unemployed for six months or more.

— A two-year extension of the “Wounded Warriors” tax credit, which gives companies that hire veterans with service-related disabilities a $4,800 credit. If the veteran has been unemployed for six months or more, the credit increases to $9,600.

The tax credits would require congressional approval. The administration estimated the cost of the tax credits at $120 million.

During his remarks, Obama also challenged private companies to hire or train 100,000 veterans by the end of 2013. He is expected to name some companies that already have committed to taking part in that effort.

The president also announced a joint initiative between the Defense and Veterans Affairs departments to come up with a “reverse boot camp” program that would help train service members for the transition to the civilian work force as they wind down their time in the military.

Obama welcomed the latest unemployment report, noting that it reflected the 17th month of job growth in the private sector. “The unemployment rate went down, not up,” he added.

Still, he said, “we have to create more jobs than that to make up for the 8 million jobs the recession claimed.”

[The Buddy Love Show]

(3+ years later)

.
.

Obama proposes tax breaks for hiring vets; urges Congress to work on jobs bills next month

By Associated Press, Updated: Friday, August 5, 12:41 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ap-sources-obama-to-call-for-tax-credits-training-to-help-military-veterans-find-jobs/2011/08/05/gIQAdBhRvI_story.html


<article>
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama proposed tax credits Friday to help companies hire America’s 1 million unemployed military veterans and vowed to press Congress harder this fall for legislation to provide more jobs for all.

Citing the nation’s still wobbly economy and a new report showing unemployment remaining at over 9 percent, Obama told an audience at Washington’s Navy Yard: “We are going to get through this. Things will get better. And we’re going to get there together.”

</article>
Obama’s proposals were part of his efforts to return to a focus on jobs after spending weeks mired in the contentious debt-limit debate.

“My singular focus is the American people. Getting the unemployed back on the job, lifting their wages,” he said.

Obama challenged Congress upon its return to get to work at once on legislation to extend for another year an expiring tax break on Social Security payroll taxes, to further extend unemployment insurance and a program for “putting construction workers back to work rebuilding America.”

Obama spoke after the Labor Department reported that the economy added 117,000 jobs in July while the jobless rate ticked down to 9.1 percent from 9.2 percent in June.

While the report was better than economists had expected, the jobless rate has now topped 9 percent in every month except two since the recession officially ended in June 2009.

Obama said that members of the military returning to civilian life have a particularly hard time finding work in such a difficult environment.

Among the 1 million unemployed veterans, 260,000 are former service members who joined the military after the Sept. 11 attacks.

The long acrimonious battle over raising the government’s debt limit “was divisive, it was delayed,” Obama said. He said if businesses are expected to get cash off the sidelines and to invest and hire “we’ve got to do better than that.”

The government says the unemployment rate for the post-Sept. 11 service members is 13.3 percent.

Obama’s proposal would offer two tax credits for companies that hire unemployed veterans:

— A “Returning Heroes” credit for 2012-2013. Companies that hire unemployed veterans would receive a $2,400 tax credit. It would increase to $4,800 if the veteran has been unemployed for six months or more.

— A two-year extension of the “Wounded Warriors” tax credit, which gives companies that hire veterans with service-related disabilities a $4,800 credit. If the veteran has been unemployed for six months or more, the credit increases to $9,600.

The tax credits would require congressional approval. The administration estimated the cost of the tax credits at $120 million.

During his remarks, Obama also challenged private companies to hire or train 100,000 veterans by the end of 2013. He is expected to name some companies that already have committed to taking part in that effort.

The president also announced a joint initiative between the Defense and Veterans Affairs departments to come up with a “reverse boot camp” program that would help train service members for the transition to the civilian work force as they wind down their time in the military.

Obama welcomed the latest unemployment report, noting that it reflected the 17th month of job growth in the private sector. “The unemployment rate went down, not up,” he added.

Still, he said, “we have to create more jobs than that to make up for the 8 million jobs the recession claimed.”

"ut oh!"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_71Gme_x6Q_Q/SvnHF52y9lI/AAAAAAAACjg/cQV4JVAFZIU/s1600/Buckwheat-Magnet-C11750430.jpg

[The Buddy Love Show]

nah, bruh, those of us taking power will have something to prove


Ya'l missing this one big time.

Try this....

BAM!!!!

Black man in the White House. See, it is possible to overcome the odds after all.

Okaaaaaaaaay eeeeeeeeeeeeeediat bwooooooy, what's YOUR excuse for why you still living in your mama's basement, looking to sneak a peek at Timmy's CD case?

Got it?

Carry on...


I'm still feeling these responses with both hands. Some of you cats inspire just by being here

[DaveR]

"ut oh!"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_71Gme_x6Q_Q/SvnHF52y9lI/AAAAAAAACjg/cQV4JVAFZIU/s1600/Buckwheat-Magnet-C11750430.jpg
:lach:

[djklas]

Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition
AUGUST 4, 2011 | ISSUE 47•31

WASHINGTON—After months of heated negotiations and failed attempts to achieve any kind of consensus, President Obama turned 50 years old Thursday, drawing strong criticism from Republicans in Congress. "With the host of problems this country is currently facing, the fact that our president is devoting time to the human process of aging is an affront to Americans everywhere," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who advocated a provision to keep Obama 49 at least through the fall of 2013. "To move forward unilaterally and simply begin the next year of his life without bipartisan support—is that any way to lead a country?" According to White House officials, Obama attempted to work with Republicans right up until the Aug. 4 deadline, but was ultimately left with no choice except to turn a year older.

[Armento]

Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition
.basically

[The Buddy Love Show]

No doubt, and those that embrace that fact, and act now, will be fine

There are many people in the country, and the world who's livelyhood is not hinged on an administration and policies -- they make choices, to better themselves, and in the aggregate, they better the masses around them (at minimum, their own family).

During the mid-late 90s, you could just register a domain name www.lickmyhairyballs.com (http://www.lickmyhairyballs.com/) , and have a launch party - and 1 month later, you'd get bought out for $5MM ... some opted to go that route, and even if they failed, they entered themselves into the IT area (which has flourished since then, and is one of the better fields today) --- and 10 years ago, IT was in the basement of an organization (so many looked down on IT (literally, LOL)) , and the stereotype was a pocket-protecting nerd ... but look at a Mark Cuban

Also during that time, there were people not willing to risk going to work for peanuts at a startup ... and opted for the real and 'percieved' stability of a big F500 company --- those people have made out fine, with 401Ks and such, even if the company has since left us.

Times have changed from the late 90s, and many in the 2 groups I outlined above, are doing well ... some aren't

During good and bad times/economies, going back to school is a choice that makes people Admnistration-proof ... if the economy is good, it's a good time to go - if the economy is bad, it's a great time to hide out on campus and not get frustrated by the economy.

If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

The world will definitely be different 5 years from now - but 5 years from now, some people will still be the same (with the same excuses), on why the world sucks

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:


Here we go ...

A Career Fair for MBA Veterans
Posted by: Alison Damast on October 16

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/blogs/mba_admissions/archives/2009/10/a_career_fair_f.html

I recently wrote a story (http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/content/oct2009/bs2009105_285350.htm?chan=bschools_bschool+index+p age_top+stories) about how business schools are trying to attract more candidates with military experience through new initiatives like the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs’ Yellow Ribbon program. Recruiters also are angling for a chance to bring veterans into their companies, pursuing them more aggressively than ever before. One way some are doing this is by participating in the MBA Veterans Career Conference today in Chicago, which organizers are billing as the first event of its kind. A number of top companies – 14 in total – are recruiting at the career fair including big names like Apple (http://bx.businessweek.com/apple/news/), General Electric (http://bx.businessweek.com/general-electric-co/), Google (http://bx.businessweek.com/google/) and Credit Suisse (http://bx.businessweek.com/general-electric-co/). Recruiters will be talking to 130 veterans from 41 business schools, a majority of whom served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The career fair was organized by David Chonowski and Chris Peterson, both former U.S. army officers. The pair founded the MBA Veterans Network (http://mbaveterans.com/welcome) last fall, while they were second-year MBA students at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/illinois.html). Their vision was to help connect military personnel with recruiters from leading companies, as well as raise funds for a charity focused on helping soldiers and their families (a donation this year will be made to Paradox Sports, an organization founded by a United States Military Academy graduate who was injured in Iraq).

So far, it seems like the pair has accomplished their goals. It will be interesting to follow how influential this organization becomes as more military personnel start coming home in the next few months and years. It seems like it has a lot of potential to become a real resource for veterans, as well as companies who want to do more targeted recruiting.
Readers, why do you think companies are interested in hiring more MBA veterans? What special skills do you think they bring to the workforce?

Here we go Part Deux

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Corporate-Responsibility/five-firms-join-100000-jobs-mission.htm

Five Companies Join 100,000 Jobs Mission,
Commit to Hiring Veterans
New website helps veterans match military specialty to open jobs at employers across U.S.
NEW YORK, Nov. 9, 2011 – Adding more firepower to the recruiting effort, five U.S. companies have joined the 100,000 Jobs Mission to highlight the advantages of bringing veterans onboard – and to hire veterans.
“We are delighted to welcome these great companies to our mission, and we encourage other employers across the country to join in,” said Nate Herman, Executive Director, Military and Veterans Affairs for JPMorgan Chase, a founder of the 100,000 Jobs Mission. “We owe our nation’s veterans an opportunity for success after the military because they have done so much for our country, but hiring veterans is also good for our businesses. They make outstanding employees and bring tremendous skills to the civilian workforce.”
The following companies have recently joined the mission to hire 100,000 military members leaving active duty service and other veterans by 2020:
Alelo
Delta Air Lines
ManTech International Corporation
Pitney Bowes
T & M Protection Resources
Job-finding Website
The companies of the 100,000 Jobs Mission have just launched a website that will help veterans match their military expertise to open jobs.
Military veterans seeking employment should visit 100000jobsmission.com to apply for a position or learn more about 100,000 Jobs Mission member firms. To join the mission and make a difference, interested firms can request more information at inquiries@1000000jobsmission.com.
The founding members launched the 100,000 Jobs Mission earlier this year. In addition to the commitment to hire veterans, the firms have also agreed to share best hiring practices and report their hiring results.
Today, the unemployment rate among veterans who have served since 2001 stands at nearly 12%-- more than 2 percentage points higher than the national average.
The 100,000 Jobs Mission member companies together currently employ more than one million people. Together, they are working to expand the partnership with other like minded firms that are equally committed to hiring veterans. The following companies are founding members of the mission:
The following companies are founding members of the mission:
AT&T
Broadridge Financial Solutions, Inc.
Cisco Systems Inc.
Cushman & Wakefield Inc.
EMC Corporation
Iron Mountain Incorporated
JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Modis
NCR Corporation
Universal Health Services
Verizon Communications Inc.

[DaveR]

Here we go Part Deux ...
:beerchug:

[DaBownca]

Here we go Part Deux

http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Corporate-Responsibility/five-firms-join-100000-jobs-mission.htm

Five Companies Join 100,000 Jobs Mission,
Commit to Hiring Veterans
New website helps veterans match military specialty to open jobs at employers across U.S.
NEW YORK, Nov. 9, 2011 – Adding more firepower to the recruiting effort, five U.S. companies have joined the 100,000 Jobs Mission to highlight the advantages of bringing veterans onboard – and to hire veterans.
“We are delighted to welcome these great companies to our mission, and we encourage other employers across the country to join in,” said Nate Herman, Executive Director, Military and Veterans Affairs for JPMorgan Chase, a founder of the 100,000 Jobs Mission. “We owe our nation’s veterans an opportunity for success after the military because they have done so much for our country, but hiring veterans is also good for our businesses. They make outstanding employees and bring tremendous skills to the civilian workforce.”
The following companies have recently joined the mission to hire 100,000 military members leaving active duty service and other veterans by 2020:
Alelo
Delta Air Lines
ManTech International Corporation
Pitney Bowes
T & M Protection Resources
Job-finding Website
The companies of the 100,000 Jobs Mission have just launched a website that will help veterans match their military expertise to open jobs.
Military veterans seeking employment should visit 100000jobsmission.com to apply for a position or learn more about 100,000 Jobs Mission member firms. To join the mission and make a difference, interested firms can request more information at inquiries@1000000jobsmission.com.
The founding members launched the 100,000 Jobs Mission earlier this year. In addition to the commitment to hire veterans, the firms have also agreed to share best hiring practices and report their hiring results.
Today, the unemployment rate among veterans who have served since 2001 stands at nearly 12%-- more than 2 percentage points higher than the national average.
The 100,000 Jobs Mission member companies together currently employ more than one million people. Together, they are working to expand the partnership with other like minded firms that are equally committed to hiring veterans. The following companies are founding members of the mission:
The following companies are founding members of the mission:
AT&T
Broadridge Financial Solutions, Inc.
Cisco Systems Inc.
Cushman & Wakefield Inc.
EMC Corporation
Iron Mountain Incorporated
JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Modis
NCR Corporation
Universal Health Services
Verizon Communications Inc.
Power move to da hoop....AND ONE

[The Buddy Love Show]

If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans
- Spouses and Partners of Veterans
- anyone in/around the rehab, reconstruction and planning arenas

Why? ... b/c they will be coming home with operational, logistics and management skills AND there will be stimulus policies and benefits for companies that hire them!

The world will definitely be different 5 years from now - but 5 years from now, some people will still be the same (with the same excuses), on why the world sucks

* and if you don't buy why I'm selling above, hang around here for a while ... cats with the big money making skill of DJing, talkin' bout "I'd rather DJ for 15 people feeling the music" ... "fuck Tiesto" ... "fuck advertising" ... ... coulda gotten yours during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and the New and Improved Bush eras - but naaaaaaa

:wink:

I keep coming back to this MOST prescient post. Why? Because I'm the kind of cat who is scared that I might not have a chair when the music stops. THe best way to ensure that one has a chair is to be sitting while the music is playing and let others do the scrambling ( scrambling that gets harder as one gets older )

Anyways. The word for today is PRESCIENT:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mmBKpMhP_p4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[DaveR]

I keep coming back to this MOST prescient post. Why? Because I'm the kind of cat who is scared that I might not have a chair when the music stops. THe best way to ensure that one has a chair is to be sitting while the music is playing and let others do the scrambling ( scrambling that gets harder as one gets older )

Anyways. The word for today is PRESCIENT:

<iframe height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mmBKpMhP_p4" frameBorder="0" width="640" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
:beerchug:

[Armento]

Good speach this morning.

[MarkK]

Its great that we left Iraq, but don't get it twisted, we would have left many more soldiers in bases if the Iraqis had allowed us to maintain the existing Status of Forces agreement.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Its great that we left Iraq, but don't get it twisted, we would have left many more soldiers in bases if the Iraqis had allowed us to maintain the existing Status of Forces agreement.

IF Gargamel had faster hands he might have caught a Smurf

If ifs and buts were cherries and nuts every day would be Christmas

Let's deal with what IS

[kara]

I'm curious, what do you think his chances are?

Against Mitt? Newt?

I cAnt gauge where it is now...

Hope it's an Obama blowout.

[Martin Red]

our excuses will die

jmo

now "the man" has proved that "change" means employing and getting advice from people who helped cause the banking crisis, i'm about as impressed with "the man", as I was with the "the man" , right is right, whether black, mixed, white, or fucking or blue, all the fucking same.

Whilst people go pat backs and go Woooh, nice speech about leaving Iraq (an illegal war that dominated a decade).............

"The most advanced spy drone in Iran’s possession, which was recently downed, is RQ-170 unmanned U.S. plane, which the Islamic Republic announced on December 4 had been brought down by the country’s armed forces. "

http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/93536-foreign-spy-drones-in-irans-possession-to-be-put-on-display


and

"But it does plan to apply for a licence to operate in Iraq again, he added.

"We have had a year of extraordinary changes that have resulted in a new, better company," Mr Wright said in a statement seen by AFP. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16149971

etc.

[The Buddy Love Show]

now "the man" has proved that "change" means employing and getting advice from people who helped cause the banking crisis, i'm about as impressed with "the man", as I was with the "the man" , right is right, whether black, mixed, white, or fucking or blue, all the fucking same.

Whilst people go pat backs and go Woooh, nice speech about leaving Iraq (an illegal war that dominated a decade).............

"The most advanced spy drone in Iran’s possession, which was recently downed, is RQ-170 unmanned U.S. plane, which the Islamic Republic announced on December 4 had been brought down by the country’s armed forces. "

http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/93536-foreign-spy-drones-in-irans-possession-to-be-put-on-display


and

"But it does plan to apply for a licence to operate in Iraq again, he added.

"We have had a year of extraordinary changes that have resulted in a new, better company," Mr Wright said in a statement seen by AFP. "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16149971

etc.

I have no problems with the US spying on an Iranian government that is determined to acquire nuclear weapons. If Obama did not authorize such activity, I'd be the first to vote him out of office. " Peace in our time" is great for those who are willing to wake up to Blitzkrieg

[Martin Red]

I have no problems with the US spying on an Iranian government that is determined to acquire nuclear weapons. If Obama did not authorize such activity, I'd be the first to vote him out of office. " Peace in our time" is great for those who are willing to wake up to Blitzkrieg

fair comment on iran. As we know the conservatives are desperately itching for Iran conflict.

[DaveR]

... If the next President ends the war quickly, those that aren't taking care of themselves ARE NOT going to be better off in 5 years; sorry to be the messenger ... those that are going to be better off (in my prediction) are:

- Veterans

...
GE to hire 5,000 veterans over next 5 years

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GENERAL_ELECTRIC_JOBS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- General Electric Co. plans to hire 5,000 veterans over the next five years and invest $580 million to expand its aviation business.

...

GE said Monday that its "Hiring Our Heroes" partnership will help match veterans with jobs. The company, whose products range from jet engines to lightbulbs, will also team with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to sponsor 400 veterans' job fairs this year. GE currently employs more than 10,000 veterans and has about 100 U.S. employee reservists serving overseas.

...

[Martin Red]

http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239336&highlight=Republican

[cleodine velvet jackson]

Bumping to read the entire thread later tonight.