Why do "PO" folks have so many kids?????

[richierich]

On my block there has to be a million kids and 500 parents(mostly women).... I guess the men work 24/7 because you hardly see them. Are they giving minorities weak birth control pills.. aren't we using protection... are we using birth control.. do we have more sex than others..what???
I'm sure there are exceptions, but around here it's always you see one maybe two women walking with like 20 kids.When I say PO I mean financially PO. I don't get it!! When you are not doing that great financially it seems to me (just my opinion) that the last thing that you should be doing is bringing another mouth into the world that needs government assistance to take care of.
And then when their daughter gets to be 15, she's pregnant.
Peace

[Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge]

Feeble sex education (and education in general) in schools, a severe lack of social programs & activities (like YMCA's and Boy's & Girls clubs, and Chicago Park District programs) are part of the problem.

Bottomline, if you ain't got money to do shit, there ain't shit to do or places to go, your gonna **** and have kids.

[TAD]

also factor in the brains age old hard wiring that influences decisions based on survival of the fittest. the more children you have, the more opportunity exists for one of those children to make it out of the existing condition of poverty & uplift the rest of the members of the family/community.

[The Real Dragonfly Jones]

I studied this in economics class... One theory says that poor people have many kids because "working-poor" parents hardly save. So they have many kids because when they can no longer work... there's a support system to provide & take care of them as they get older.

[SEAN SOUNDS]

I think poor people run out of things to occupy their time (work, adventures, etc.) so sex is the only excitement that's free at the time. Better use of one's time usually helps to keep the baby rate down.

I think. smile.gif

[Koffy Brown]

Wow :rolleyes:

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Excel:
I studied this in economics class... One theory says that poor people have many kids because "working-poor" parents hardly save. So they have many kids because when they can no longer work... there's a support system to provide & take care of them as they get older. and you all came to this conclusion in economics class?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

This is why I have a problem with the saying "It takes a Village to raise a child."

Well, what if that village is full of crack addicts, and shiftless people who blame all of their sorrows on the "man"?

Access and Choices.

If there is access, will you open the door?

If there are choices, will you make the right one?

[Koffy Brown]

to think logically is to have the ability to use principles of reasoning...and the majority of these women and men or illogical...

[Ken1015]

I always thought they did it to get a fat welfare check every month. They do get a fat welfare check, right?

[richierich]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
I always thought they did it to get a fat welfare check every month. They do get a fat welfare check, right? It aint that damn fat!!

[Bill Blake]

There is an inverted relationship between income and the amount of children a family has.

There is usually an explainable reason. For instance on farms families are likely to be larger to increase cheap labor force and also to spread out enough children to increase the prospect of having one or more take care of the parents in old age.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by SEAN SOUNDS:
I think poor people run out of things to occupy their time (work, adventures, etc.) so sex is the only excitement that's free at the time. Better use of one's time usually helps to keep the baby rate down.

I think. smile.gif Wassup Sean. I agree. Nothin to do in da ghetto but make childrens.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by serge:
Feeble sex education (and education in general) in schools, a severe lack of social programs & activities (like YMCA's and Boy's & Girls clubs, and Chicago Park District programs) are part of the problem.

Bottomline, if you ain't got money to do shit, there ain't shit to do or places to go, your gonna **** and have kids. Yep...Could'nt have said it better...In addition most of these households are one parent households that are led by someone too young to privide any guidance...

[2121]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SEAN SOUNDS:
I think poor people run out of things to occupy their time (work, adventures, etc.) so sex is the only excitement that's free at the time. Better use of one's time usually helps to keep the baby rate down.

I think. smile.gif Wassup Sean. I agree. Nothin to do in da ghetto but make childrens. </font>[/QUOTE]since ghettos tend to be composed of ethnic minorities and newly arrived immigrants, i tend to think that the women aren't as advanced as north american women. Because they don't have a career to focus on, they have kids. also, abortion is more widely accepted here and in europe than in less advanced areas of the world.

[ April 08, 2003, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: 2121 ]

[jsd540]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
I always thought they did it to get a fat welfare check every month. They do get a fat welfare check, right? Yes and no.
The welfare system is a whole other part of the problem though. It is a form of fiscal slavery. People make just enough to stay home and participate in the local hustle economy that flourishes in these niegborhoods. In the end you have a captive consumer base 2 or 3 generations deep.
So a teenish mom has one kid gets on welfare and has lets say 2 more. On the side she hustles a bit for new kicks some get high etc. The kids, having no role model or even a glimpse of a different life follow the same path.

[djmarbll]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
This is why I have a problem with the saying "It takes a Village to raise a child."

Well, what if that village is full of crack addicts, and shiftless people who blame all of their sorrows on the "man"?

Access and Choices.

If there is access, will you open the door?

If there are choices, will you make the right one? Crack addicts and shiftless people aren't allowed in the village. People who blame their problems on the man are shiftless people. I always thought of that African proverb (It takes a village ....) as more metaphysical. To explain, I felt that the phrase meant to expand your child's horizons and not just lead them in one direction.

[mhd]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
This is why I have a problem with the saying "It takes a Village to raise a child."

Well, what if that village is full of crack addicts, and shiftless people who blame all of their sorrows on the "man"?

Access and Choices.

If there is access, will you open the door?

If there are choices, will you make the right one? Crack addicts and shiftless people aren't allowed in the village. People who blame their problems on the man are shiftless people. I always thought of that African proverb (It takes a village ....) as more metaphysical. To explain, I felt that the phrase meant to expand your child's horizons and not just lead them in one direction. </font>[/QUOTE]interesting, i always took it literal, as in extended family and friends would accept responsibility to raise the young if the birth parents were unwilling or unable to and in addition to the birth parents. in fact, that has been my experience as a child and as an adult.

i like your interpretation as well

[Koffy Brown]

well one way to look at this is to work in an abortion clinic you'll then get an understanding as to why black/ethnic/minority women have a tendancy to have more kids....

[Ken1015]

Originally posted by Ashaki:
well one way to look at this is to work in an abortion clinic you'll then get an understanding as to why black/ethnic/minority women have a tendancy to have more kids.... True, but the pregnancy rate, not just the birth rate is still higher in the working class community.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by mhd:
interesting, i always took it literal, as in extended family and friends would accept responsibility to raise the young if the birth parents were unwilling or unable to and in addition to the birth parents. in fact, that has been my experience as a child and as an adult.

i like your interpretation as well [/QB][/QUOTE]


This is the same concept I had with regards to an exteneded family and people who are close to your family within your neighborhood.

I think my question came up a few years back after watching an old Whoopi Goldberg special that was on HBO in the mid eighties when she began to speak about Nancy Reagan's campaign on "Just Say No". Whoopi made a comment similar to, "Well what if there's a teen that is making $4,000 a week, paying his mothers bills, putting food on the table, Just say NO?"


Peace

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ashaki:
well one way to look at this is to work in an abortion clinic you'll then get an understanding as to why black/ethnic/minority women have a tendancy to have more kids.... True, but the pregnancy rate, not just the birth rate is still higher in the working class community. </font>[/QUOTE]okay...but the truth is we are talking about people who are not using reasoning or logic about their lives, their future, they are just living for the moment. I doubt very seriously if it has anything to do with a welfare check...on the other hand, I believe white women especially younger ones (not all) have someone to reason for them...jmo

[Ken1015]

For the record, the welfare check comment was a joke. We all know they don't get that much now and with programs like "Welfare To Work" the money being given out is further decreasing.

[beemoe44]

Thanks Jamie: Many "poor" people have large or early families because that`s a social security system to them. Have a lot of kids to take care of you when you`re older. Some to escape an oppresive family situation. Many because they`re from Agricultral Age cultures. Where you need lots of kids(cheap labor) to farm.
It`s hard for "urbanized/industrialized" folks to understand because they (or their folks) have already made the neccessary changes for survival in an urbanized existence.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by Soulful1015:
For the record, the welfare check comment was a joke. We all know they don't get that much now and with programs like "Welfare To Work" the money being given out is further decreasing. http://www.angelfire.com/yt/scully/images/south2.jpg oh...nevermind... graemlins/rofl.gif

[ April 09, 2003, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: jsd540 ]