Speaking of Sororities and Frats...

[KBig]

a few of my friends are celebrating their Centennial (the ladies of AKA, Inc.) Skee Wee Ladies!

and it got me to thinking:
How relevant are "our" Frat's and Soror's in this day and age?

I have everything in my family... DST's, PBS's, Q's, Aka's and although I didnt pledge (My granddaddy passed while getting ready to go online so I dropped before they went above ground) I did do the "sweetheart"thang *bluephi" to my Sigma's out there...

It seemed in the 80's I saw alot more publicity about the activity of our Frats/Sorors ... I dont see it as much


any thoughts ?

[MYOR]

Unless you are in college life I dont think you will encounter it.

[Mack-Williams]

Well I use to love it when the AKA's had their convention at the Hyatt next to my job. Dope feeling going to get some coffee and then get surrounded by a bunch of fine black women with jobs.

[KBig]

Unless you are in college life I dont think you will encounter it.


I dunno if thats true My.. U might not encounter the "Frat and Soror culture" but my work enviroment is littered with Q's and AKA's. the President of my company is a Kappa! and lawd dat lil man will whip is cane out wif his non steppin azz and start his KAPsi making that green ... routine! Priceless yall Im telling you.... :biglaugha:

but as far as visibility I dont SEE as much "greek activity"

[Big Ken]

Well I use to love it when the AKA's had their convention at the Hyatt next to my job. Dope feeling going to get some coffee and then get surrounded by a bunch of fine black women with jobs.
:grinyes:

[MYOR]

I dunno if thats true My.. U might not encounter the "Frat and Soror culture" but my work enviroment is littered with Q's and AKA's. the President of my company is a Kappa! and lawd dat lil man will whip is cane out wif his non steppin azz and start his KAPsi making that green ... routine! Priceless yall Im telling you.... :biglaugha:

but as far as visibility I dont SEE as much "greek activity"

OK.. LOL

The last time I saw greek activity or encounterd anyone in a frat or soror was when I was at school.

Did you ever get tempted to pledge? I just didnt see the point. I had a real sister that abused me I didnt need fake ones to do it too:rofl5:.... That was my thinking then.. Now I think its a great network...

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

a few of my friends are celebrating their Centennial (the ladies of AKA, Inc.) Skee Wee Ladies!

and it got me to thinking:
How relevant are "our" Frat's and Soror's in this day and age?

I have everything in my family... DST's, PBS's, Q's, Aka's and although I didnt pledge (My granddaddy passed while getting ready to go online so I dropped before they went above ground) I did do the "sweetheart"thang *bluephi" to my Sigma's out there...

It seemed in the 80's I saw alot more publicity about the activity of our Frats/Sorors ... I dont see it as much


any thoughts ?

I didn't pledge because of fear. The fear of stereotype. No one explained the importance of Sororities and I was intimidated. I viewed it as a "club" that made outsiders inferior.

On the flipside:Also I didn't like looking like everyone else. To me all soror's did the same thing as the others all of the time. I had a neighbor that hounded me about pledging AKA. She told me that I would be perfect because I fit the mold. I didn't like that. I had a complex about being called the "white" girl and speaking "white" around my family. The ragged on me for "thinking I knew everything.

Now looking ahead I encourage all my children to pledge when entering into college, it's a network, it's a family it's a foundation that I wished I could have became part of.

Hey Kelli, are there sorors for old azz women :biggrin:

[KBig]

OK.. LOL

The last time I saw greek activity or encounterd anyone in a frat or soror was when I was at school.

Did you ever get tempted to pledge? I just didnt see the point. I had a real sister that abused me I didnt need fake ones to do it too:rofl5:.... That was my thinking then.. Now I think its a great network...


almost... I was going online for Delta... prepledged all that stuff and when our line was "spose" to go "live" or above ground I got the call that Spencer G Dobson I parted from this life. so I dropped line went home for a minit and although they said I could come back online my head wasnt right so I just stayed a Bovine instead.

I still love me some Delta's ... Fisty brilliant woman... but I can say that for almost any black soror.... they got the goods!

[kara]

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[Mr.I]

It always amazed me the "movie star" status that Greeks get at HBCU's. I know some cats in their 40's that still hang out on the frat college scene, even tho they old enough to be all of their pops!

[Chuck P]

The community service/outreach facet of the sororities and fraternities is not as prevelant as it once was. A lot of campuses here in Illinois don't have their organization in good standing with the school, state and in some cases even nationals therefore are forebidden in conducting any type of outreach or community related programs under the auspices of the organization they represent.......

When I pledged Sigma at Western Illinois University.......they didn't have a chapter at all because of hazing allegations and it took a while to get my certificate and pen from nationals......I don't even think a lot of cats care whether they are recognized nationally or not anymore.......and that is some of the problem right there......

WIU is the death chapter in the state for all African American greek organizations and they take that shit seriously down there........

[KBig]

I didn't pledge because of fear. The fear of stereotype. No one explained the importance of Sororities and I was intimidated. I viewed it as a "club" that made outsiders inferior.

On the flipside:Also I didn't like looking like everyone else. To me all soror's did the same thing as the others all of the time. I had a neighbor that hounded me about pledging AKA. She told me that I would be perfect because I fit the mold. I didn't like that. I had a complex about being called the "white" girl and speaking "white" around my family. The ragged on me for "thinking I knew everything.

Now looking ahead I encourage all my children to pledge when entering into college, it's a network, it's a family it's a foundation that I wished I could have became part of.

Hey Kelli, are there sorors for old azz women :biggrin:

hahahah I know there are "social" Frats and Sorors.... like here we have the Meridicrats who all a collective of older black professional very similiar in likeness to the Kappa's. also the Vulcan Blazers the social network for Black Firefighters.

An over 30 social network designed like the soror's and frats I think would be kinda cool.

My maternal gmom and gdad used to have "club meetings at the house all tyhe time and used their grandkids a free coat check labor and shyt LOL but I couldnt tell you what the "club was"... all I know is it happend Once a month at each Clubmembers homes.. and Pinocle and burbon was heavily involved.

I think a young professional networking and social "club" would be kinda cool. No BAM's allowed though :grinyes:


interesting idea to explore .... Get on that mama! :grinyes::biglaugha:

[CoCoa Mahogany]

Unless you are in college life I dont think you will encounter it.

http://dstrvac.org/programs.htm

[Chuck P]

I agree about the staying active part in some respects......my aunt is very active in Zeta Phi Beta on a national scale......she pledged back in the spring of 81 and some 27 years later she still attends the national meetings and continues to lend her support to her sorority......

[Big Ken]

I was going to pledge Que in college, but me and my boys (We were the only 3 from the Chi) got into a with the chapter at a party on campus. We ended up going to the Que house and kicked their door in and smoked...I mean fucked them up.

After that I was like, I can't let the punks pledge me, and if I did pledge, they would try to kill me.

[Chuck P]

I was going to pledge Que in college, but me and my boys (We were the only 3 from the Chi) got into a with the chapter at a party on campus. We ended up going to the Que house and kicked their door in and smoked...I mean fucked them up.

After that I was like, I can't let the punks pledge me, and if I did pledge, they would try to kill me.

I come from a family full of Que's and I thought that was what I was going to do when I went to college......one of my uncles was like "you don't pick a frat....a frat will pick you" and he was so right........the que's were cool, but I gravitated to that blue and white light and have not looked back since.........GOMAB !!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Ken]

I come from a family full of Que's and I thought that was what I was going to do when I went to college......one of my uncles was like "you don't pick a frat....a frat will pick you" and he was so right........the que's were cool, but I gravitated to that blue and white light and have not looked back since.........GOMAB !!!!!!!!!!!
GOMAB....Gorillas, Orangatauns, Monkies, and Baboons?:conf06:

[Chuck P]

GOMAB....Gorillas, Orangatauns, Monkies, and Baboons?:conf06:

Not even close guy..........lol

[Big Ken]

GOMAB....Gorillas, Orangatauns, Monkies, and Baboons?:conf06:
:rofl5:May bad bro. I couldn't resist!!!!! :rofl5:

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

hahahah I know there are "social" Frats and Sorors.... like here we have the Meridicrats who all a collective of older black professional very similiar in likeness to the Kappa's. also the Vulcan Blazers the social network for Black Firefighters.

An over 30 social network designed like the soror's and frats I think would be kinda cool.

My maternal gmom and gdad used to have "club meetings at the house all tyhe time and used their grandkids a free coat check labor and shyt LOL but I couldnt tell you what the "club was"... all I know is it happend Once a month at each Clubmembers homes.. and Pinocle and burbon was heavily involved.

I think a young professional networking and social "club" would be kinda cool. No BAM's allowed though :grinyes:


interesting idea to explore .... Get on that mama! :grinyes::biglaugha:

Yes Ma'am, this would be great to do. But you will have to come up with the rules of pledging. I can see it now, the pledgees saying "Yes Bovine your highness, anything for you" :rofl:

In all seriousness I will be glad to check this out, There are many talented folk and there is no way we shouldn't network on a biz level, especially when our schools and communities need us.

BTW, I am slow, what is a BAM? Don't laugh at me ya'll, I have too much in my brain to catch on to everything :rofl:

[KBig]

I come from a family full of Que's and I thought that was what I was going to do when I went to college......one of my uncles was like "you don't pick a frat....a frat will pick you" and he was so right........the que's were cool, but I gravitated to that blue and white light and have not looked back since.........GOMAB !!!!!!!!!!!


Blue Phi... to my Blue Brother... I loved being a Sigma Dove. *flaps hand wings*

It was the trial and error period to see if I wanted to pledge a full fledged sorority. But after Spencer's death ... I wasnt motivated.

I wish I saw more activity in the community. I see some here and there and I must say I see it coming predom from AKA, Inc.

A lil bit of history the MSU Delta's (my aunt told me about this) ...they helped desegregate several racist lunch counters/ cafe's back in the 60's by doing sit'ins, the lunch counters resided in Hecht's and Stewarts Dept Stores. DST used to be quite a presence here in MD. not so much anymore. They worked closely with the Goon Squad too.
I had to hear these stories during Xmas dinner and shyt.... singing old Greek chants and shyt.. .Can we just cut the dayum turkey yall? LOL


Just dont see the dedication to the legacies anymore...

Would love to see a resurrgence though. Election 08 would be a perfect setting .... *hint hint*

[Chuck P]

Blue Phi... to my Blue Brother... I loved being a Sigma Dove. *flaps hand wings*

It was the trial and error period to see if I wanted to pledge a full fledged sorority. But after Spencer's death ... I wasnt motivated.

I wish I saw more activity in the community. I see some here and there and I must say I see it coming predom from AKA, Inc.

A lil bit of history the MSU Delta's (my aunt told me about this) ...they helped desegregate several racist lunch counters/ cafe's back in the 60's by doing sit'ins, the lunch counters resided in Hecht's and Stewarts Dept Stores. DST used to be quite a presence here in MD. not so much anymore. They worked closely with the Goon Squad too.
I had to hear these stories during Xmas dinner and shyt.... singing old Greek chants and shyt.. .Can we just cut the dayum turkey yall? LOL


Just dont see the dedication to the legacies anymore...

Would love to see a resurrgence though. Election 08 would be a perfect setting .... *hint hint*


Hint taken and received......might have to make some phone calls later on today.....

[KBig]

GOMAB....Gorillas, Orangatauns, Monkies, and Baboons?:conf06:


ut oh .... Get'em, Blue!

[Big Ken]

I come from a family full of Que's and I thought that was what I was going to do when I went to college......one of my uncles was like "you don't pick a frat....a frat will pick you" and he was so right........the que's were cool, but I gravitated to that blue and white light and have not looked back since.........GOMAB !!!!!!!!!!!


GOMAB....Gorillas, Orangatauns, Monkies, and Baboons?:conf06:


Not even close guy..........lol


:rofl5:May bad bro. I couldn't resist!!!!! :rofl5:


ut oh .... Get'em, Blue!
:rofl5:

[Chuck P]

ut oh .... Get'em, Blue!

"the road is long.....searchin for phi beta, the road is long to sigma land, the road is long searchin for phi beta, the road is long to sigma land, I was walking in the valley standing tall tryin to get to sigma land about to fall when I step on an alpha, kicked at a que pimp slapped a kappa and I walked on through.....the road is long searchin for phi beta the road is long to sigma land"

[Mr.I]

Some of the ass whooping used to get way out of hand. I knew this dude who went over in the hospital. They beat him so hard they broke his hip:eek:

[Fletch]

How much of an effect has the hazing stereotype (if it is a stereotype) had on the frats and sororities in this day and age?

I'm not a member of any, so I'm just asking!

[Reggie McKeever]

a few of my friends are celebrating their Centennial (the ladies of AKA, Inc.) Skee Wee Ladies!

and it got me to thinking:
How relevant are "our" Frat's and Soror's in this day and age?

I have everything in my family... DST's, PBS's, Q's, Aka's and although I didnt pledge (My granddaddy passed while getting ready to go online so I dropped before they went above ground) I did do the "sweetheart"thang *bluephi" to my Sigma's out there...

It seemed in the 80's I saw alot more publicity about the activity of our Frats/Sorors ... I dont see it as much


any thoughts ?

I think relevance is a perceptive turn. I think there are issues, such as politics, which have come further to the forefront of Black consience, but have been prohibitive for historically Black fraternities and sorities to embrace in an official manner or provide an official stance. Then there are other issues such as the rise and separation of the Black middle class, where the bulk of the membership resides, which has also tested the organizations' commitments to their grass roots goals. However, if you look at absolute numbers, membership is as high as it ever has been. And that implies that their is still signifcant relevance. The reality is, the rise in membership is probably due to a rise in the number of college educated or degree seeking Black Americans. But, manpower (and womanpower) is still the structural base of productivity.

[panklady]

Let me weigh in. http://www.aka1908.com/present/program/

Sororities/Fraternities are relevant. I know for a fact that I have/am working hard on behalf of the community at large. Just because you don't necessarily see what the effects are doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Coco has put her sororities site up. SKEE-OOP...

Just a few examples of the call to action--
Hurricane Katrina...I had sorors who were not evacuees who were in the Astrodom disbursing food, clothes, etc to the those affected by the flood. They actually used the Internet to get the needs of the affected over to those who were evacuated...and the donations flooded in...TRUST!
We (AKAs) are donating 100 million dollars to Howard University.
My chapter is hosting a Unity Breakfast & the proceeds are going to students going to college. And for the record-it doesn't have to be a 4 year institution...
There are 1000s of examples...

Each sorority/fraternity has targets to hit...we do so...we hit them at the chapter, cluster, regional, and international level. For those question the relevance of them (BGLOs I am assuming)...keep in mind that the times are changing...and although we're not necessarily marching in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s-70s...we are matching our programs to the needs of the community. And yes, I have asked this questions of my chapter members & they agree with me...keep serving at the chapter level all while staying in alignment with the goals of Nationals.

[KBig]

Let me weigh in. http://www.aka1908.com/present/program/

Sororities/Fraternities are relevant. I know for a fact that I have/am working hard on behalf of the community at large. Just because you don't necessarily see what the effects are doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Coco has put her sororities site up. SKEE-OOP...

Just a few examples of the call to action--
Hurricane Katrina...I had sorors who were not evacuees who were in the Astrodom disbursing food, clothes, etc to the those affected by the flood. They actually used the Internet to get the needs of the affected over to those who were evacuated...and the donations flooded in...TRUST!
We (AKAs) are donating 100 million dollars to Howard University.
My chapter is hosting a Unity Breakfast & the proceeds are going to students going to college. And for the record-it doesn't have to be a 4 year institution...
There are 1000s of examples...

Each sorority/fraternity has targets to hit...we do so...we hit them at the chapter, cluster, regional, and international level. For those question the relevance of them (BGLOs I am assuming)...keep in mind that the times are changing...and although we're not necessarily marching in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s-70s...we are matching our programs to the needs of the community. And yes, I have asked this questions of my chapter members & they agree with me...keep serving at the chapter level all while staying in alignment with the goals of Nationals.

Glad you thru your Sorority Weight around Pank!
I KNOW you'r active BIG TIME and you dont phucc around! Dont get it twisted this woman works hard on behalf of her Sorority!

Thanks for the insight.

[Reggie McKeever]

How much of an effect has the hazing stereotype (if it is a stereotype) had on the frats and sororities in this day and age?

I'm not a member of any, so I'm just asking!

It has had an immense effect. When you think of hazing, you immediatly think of ass whooping. But the definition of hazing is much broader; i.e. simply asking someone to walk in a line or wear matching clothes falls into this definition.

So, today, organizations and academic institutions face huge litigation risks. The result is the pomp and circumstance surrounding "above ground" pledging is gone. So, it has become difficult to identify ourselves and convince the best Brother and Sisters on a college campus of our relavance....the very topic of this thread.

[CoCoa Mahogany]

I agree about the staying active part in some respects......my aunt is very active in Zeta Phi Beta on a national scale......she pledged back in the spring of 81 and some 27 years later she still attends the national meetings and continues to lend her support to her sorority......


I pledged Spring 83, April 11, 2008 I will have 25 ACTIVE Years in Delta!


http://dstrvac.org/P1010098_0098.jpg

[Chuck P]

It has had an immense effect. When you think of hazing, you immediatly think of ass whooping. But the definition of hazing is much broader; i.e. simply asking someone to walk in a line or wear matching clothes falls into this definition.

So, today, organizations and academic institutions face huge litigation risks. The result is the pomp and circumstance surrounding "above ground" pledging is gone. So, it has become difficult to identify ourselves and convince the best Brother and Sisters on a college campus of our relavance....the very topic of this thread.

When I was on line we had a visit from a brother who was made back in the 40's he was saying to us that hazing was more of a stress/endurance thing than it was physical.......(I'm like tell that shit to my ass and back), but his thoughts were simply that you wanted to push a man as far as you could to ensure that he was right for your organization, you wanted to ensure that he was strong willed and could handle what life had in store for him.......not justifying kicking someone's ass, but I do understand the concept of what he was saying......

[MYOR]

When I was online we had a visit from a brother who was made back in the 40's he was saying to us that hazing was more of a stress/endurance thing than it was physical.......(I'm like tell that shit to my ass and back), but his thoughts were simply that you wanted to push a man as far as you could to ensure that he was right for your organization.......not justifying kicking someone's ass, but I do understand the concept of what he was saying......

See I just couldnt get with that...

My momma beat my ass enough and told me to shut up and I had to listen otherwise my ass would get beat.. So no organization is gonna get that privledge

:rofl5::rofl5:

[TAC]

Sh*t don't pay the bills.

[panklady]

How much of an effect has the hazing stereotype (if it is a stereotype) had on the frats and sororities in this day and age?

I'm not a member of any, so I'm just asking!

Hazing still exists. There is no way to get rid of it totally BUT you see fewer & fewer cases with the Pan Hall measures in place. If you were to read over the consequences if you are caught hazing...it is enough to make anybody quake in their boots. I tell my chapter members just like this "...I'm not putting up my house for anybody...I will throw ya under the bus & pull the brake" (we mentor undergraduates). It occurs at both the UG & GR levels.

You don't have to hit me to show me you love me. Making me do silly, pointless things doesn't make me retain information any better. If you really care about me & want me to be active...encourage a great relationship...make me feel welcome.

Membership has its privileges...trust me, I know.

[Chuck P]

Sh*t don't pay the bills.

Which proves that it is not for everyone........

[panklady]

It has had an immense effect. When you think of hazing, you immediatly think of ass whooping. But the definition of hazing is much broader; i.e. simply asking someone to walk in a line or wear matching clothes falls into this definition.

So, today, organizations and academic institutions face huge litigation risks. The result is the pomp and circumstance surrounding "above ground" pledging is gone. So, it has become difficult to identify ourselves and convince the best Brother and Sisters on a college campus of our relavance....the very topic of this thread.

Paragraph 1...Reggie...then is the military a hazing organization? Just asking... :)

[Reggie McKeever]

I pledged Spring 83, April 11, 2008 I will have 25 ACTIVE Years in Delta!


http://dstrvac.org/P1010098_0098.jpg


You are to be commended. I pledged in the Fall of '89 and I have...oh about 5 months of ACTIVE service in (financial that is). I hold an office in the local (actually only) alumni chapter, and I'm doing a lot of work. But, I'm not sure how I feel about everything. I'm not sure if I will continue to contribute.

I should also say that woman are on a whole different agenda, both when they join, and as alumni. I bet that your retention rate is twice ours.

[KBig]

Which proves that it is not for everyone........


not sure "it not paying the bills is a true statement" I have gotten Contracts cuz so and so is a soror or frat of my family members.

I got scholarships from so and so sorority cuz of my legacy.

so it paid the "bills" in a vicarious sort of way...

[TAC]

Which proves that it is not for everyone........

You are right. So?

[Perql8r]

*Sigh...this gal drives me crazy with her AKA-ness...

*nm - her profile set to private. (My little sis)

[Chris Conrad]

i thought frats and sororites=orgies, campus sex scandals, binge drinking, outbreaks of venereal diseases, hazing deaths and 'accidents', cover ups and being disavowed by certain colleges...

[Reggie McKeever]

Paragraph 1...Reggie...then is the military a hazing organization? Just asking... :)

I have not been in the military. But from what my father told me of his Basic Training experiences on his way to Vietnam, I would argue yes. And certainly, the military carries some level of liability. But, of course they are preparing people mentally and physically for a totally different experience. So, I am not the one to determine when and where the line should be drawn. Nor am I the one for fraternities or sororities for that matter. But, by my basic understanding, yes the military is a hazing organization.

[CoCoa Mahogany]

You are to be commended. I pledged in the Fall of '89 and I have...oh about 5 months of ACTIVE service in (financial that is). I hold an office in the local (actually only) alumni chapter, and I'm doing a lot of work. But, I'm not sure how I feel about everything. I'm not sure if I will continue to contribute.

I should also say that woman are on a whole different agenda, both when they join, and as alumni. I bet that your retention rate is twice ours.

Reggie,

You may want to reconsider the chapter you have chosen, it may not be a good fit for you. I live in North Jersey but belong to a chapter that is in South Jersey. Sometimes the chapter's overall attitude, energy and prospective will keep you motivated to continue. I just keep in mind why I wanted to be a Delta in the first place and how proud I was when I crossed. Stay close to the positive bruhs..

[Reggie McKeever]

i thought frats and sororites=orgies, campus sex scandals, binge drinking, outbreaks of venereal diseases, hazing deaths and 'accidents', cover ups and being disavowed by certain colleges...

You don't have to be in a fraternity or a sorority to participate or be charged with any of the above.

[Reggie McKeever]

Reggie,

You may want to reconsider the chapter you have chosen, it may not be a good fit for you. I live in North Jersey but belong to a chapter that is in South Jersey. Sometimes the chapter's overall attitude, energy and prospective will keep you motivated to continue. I just keep in mind why I wanted to be a Delta in the first place and how proud I was when I crossed. Stay close to the positive bruhs..

Thanks for the advice Cocoa. There is only one Alpha Phi Alpha alumni chapter in the entire state of Minnesota. So, I don't have any choice. But, I actually like this chapter and the work that they (now we) get done. It was my time in my native Chicago, where I had about five alumni chapters to chose from, that I chose to remain inactive.

[Chris Conrad]

You don't have to be in a fraternity or a sorority to participate or be charged with any of the above.

of course not, but this is what they are known for in my experience...a long time ago maybe they were known for something else...

[Antoine Soul]

Blue Muthafuggin Phi!!!!!

[panklady]

Exactly.

In fact, we are strongly DISCOURAGED from drinking, etc. in our letters. It's like your job...you don't want to be seen doing stuff that would make someone question your credibility of your company. When it doubt, leave them (your letters out). I tell people...I do my dirt all by my lonely.

Some of you on the board have the wrong impression of what a sorority/fraternity is. Most of us, don't clown & act a fool...we have a good time, we do the work of the chapter & serve the needs of the people, occassionally set out a stroll, NETWORK, & make it happen.

And don't get me started on committment...I have the wear on my tires, bags under my eyes, cotton mouth & telephone ear, etc to prove it. If you want I can call ya when I have to get up on Sat AMs (6 AM) to drive home to conduct a chapter meeting & put on a service project. What'syanalmbah?

[däp]

are non-black fraternities and sororities expected to serve their communities (rhetorical)? most, if not all of these organizations were established on college campuses to support the undergraduate experience and beyond. they have morphed on the graduate level and maintain relevance to the initiated.

[Mr.I]

are non-black fraternities and sororities expected to serve their communities (rhetorical)? most, if not all of these organizations were established on college campuses to support the undergraduate experience and beyond. they have morphed on the graduate level and maintain relevance to the initiated.

I always thought non-black fraternities were all about..

http://www.leftrightnow.com/belushi.jpg

[panklady]

are non-black fraternities and sororities expected to serve their communities (rhetorical)? most, if not all of these organizations were established on college campuses to support the undergraduate experience and beyond. they have morphed on the graduate level and maintain relevance to the initiated.

Answer to your rhet Q--YES! We have graduate chapters in place to monitor & mentor the UGs since they don't have the experience. When q'd about the need for graduate chapters...who do you (understood you) think supplies the financial backing for the perpetuation of the sororities/fraternities...surely not solely the UGs. Life-blood (money) comes in at the graduate level...the UGs bring the uniqueness of programs...the zeal...and the community service hours. Although both do it...it's at a different level.

[Reggie McKeever]

are non-black fraternities and sororities expected to serve their communities (rhetorical)? most, if not all of these organizations were established on college campuses to support the undergraduate experience and beyond. they have morphed on the graduate level and maintain relevance to the initiated.

...Black organizations are expected to serve their commnuities. I know that you know this already, däp. But for the purpose of this thread, it should be pointed out that in the early days, particularly at historically white institutions, there typically was no separation between the undergraduate experience and the Black community. As, many students relied on the Black communities near the campus' for things like housing, church, and entertainment. Remember, Black students weren't always allowed to live in the dorms. So the community issues were student issues as well, and the Black Greek Letter organizations did work to address them as such.

[däp]

Answer to your rhet Q--YES! We have graduate chapters in place to monitor & mentor the UGs since they don't have the experience. When q'd about the need for graduate chapters...who do you (understood you) think supplies the financial backing for the perpetuation of the sororities/fraternities...surely not solely the UGs. Life-blood (money) comes in at the graduate level...the UGs bring the uniqueness of programs...the zeal...and the community service hours. Although both do it...it's at a different level.

and i was referring to the original purpose. :)

[RAS]

Hazing is simply making a pledge do/say ANYTHING against his or will. It's that simple.

I'm a charter line/founding father of the Albany Chapter of Sigma Phi Rho Fraternity inc., Spring 1988 (I decided not to join a big 8 organization because many of the members WERE stereotypical at the time). A major responsibility (and I've done a helluva lot) for me as chapter prez was recruitment. Sadly, recruitment has been down nowadays across the lines in my view mainly because of the hip hop culture. Kids have to be to cool or proud to be disciplined in any way by someone else. The music videos and existence of gangs have played a major factor as well.

[Chuck P]

Blue Muthafuggin Phi!!!!!

ahhhhh ooouuuuuu waaaaahhhhh

Sup Frat.......GOMAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Armento]

there was nothing worse than the frat crowd at my university... we avoided and despised them passionately.

[Chuck P]

there was nothing worse than the frat crowd at my university... we avoided and despised them passionately.

Nerd.......lol

[Armento]

Nerd.......lol
wrong... we'd be under the druggie, raver category in college

[Chuck P]

wrong... we'd be under the druggie, raver category in college

Gotcha.....

[Armento]

Gotcha.....
but we met their asses on the bball courts! and we took care of business :)

[Chuck P]

but we met their asses on the bball courts! and we took care of business :)

Yeah bball and video games made everyone the same on the yard not to mention drinking and the other thing...(I will neither confirm nor deny)........

[Mr.I]

Remember these white frat boys offered me $$ to be part of a prank. They wanted to hide me in some girls closet then have me jump out when she came in... sheeit, I was like hell naw.. probably would STILL be in jail if I did it

[Armento]

Remember these white frat boys offered me $$ to be part of a prank. They wanted to hide me in some girls closet then have me jump out when she came in... sheeit, I was like hell naw.. probably would STILL be in jail if I did it
shit.. fuckin frat boys painted one of the two swans that lived in our campus pond their frat colors.... it died... the girl swan died of sadness 2 weeks later.

[Chuck P]

shit.. fuckin frat boys painted one of the two swans that lived in our campus pond their frat colors.... it died... the girl swan died of sadness 2 weeks later.

Damn those fraternities......

[Sensei Melei]

Interesting thread, allow me to chime in if I may...

Yes, Fraternities & Sororoties are relevant in todays society, even if WE are not as visible as inthe past. The programs & charges that we take fills a void that seems to be lacking in today's society.

Look at any "call to arms" and you will find Greek Organzations there, colors flying or not, we are there, sleeves rolled up putting in work. It's not done for exposure for the orgs, but because we all believe in helping where we are able. You see us every day, but never know who we are.

Of course as we grow older, our undergraduate habits give way to adult lives (for most of us....LOL). We are still the same people we were before, we just have more responsibilities and less free time. BUT DON'T WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO GET DOWN!!!

We are all organizations travelling different paths to get to the same destination... Community Service to the people.

I joined Omega Psi Phi in 1984 as a college sophomore. No one in my family was Greek at the time, so I knew nothing about fraternities. I looked at them all, some up close, some from afar, and found Omega to be a natural fit for me. Yes, we (Omegas) do all the things you have heard about, both good & bad. I have had my share of "run-ins" with other frats, been naked in public, passed out on road trips, all that. BUT, I also graduated with a Masters degree, received numerous community service awards, and was an Academic All-American (football) in 1986.

Even today, I walk with Omega in my heart and in my life.

Roo to da QUES!!!!

the "Grayhound"

[Chuck P]

Interesting thread, allow me to chime in if I may...

Yes, Fraternities & Sororoties are relevant in todays society, even if WE are not as visible as inthe past. The programs & charges that we take fills a void that seems to be lacking in today's society.

Look at any "call to arms" and you will find Greek Organzations there, colors flying or not, we are there, sleeves rolled up putting in work. It's not done for exposure for the orgs, but because we all believe in helping where we are able. You see us every day, but never know who we are.

Of course as we grow older, our undergraduate habits give way to adult lives (for most of us....LOL). We are still the same people we were before, we just have more responsibilities and less free time. BUT DON'T WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO GET DOWN!!!

We are all organizations travelling different paths to get to the same destination... Community Service to the people.

I joined Omega Psi Phi in 1984 as a college sophomore. No one in my family was Greek at the time, so I knew nothing about fraternities. I looked at them all, some up close, some from afar, and found Omega to be a natural fit for me. Yes, we (Omegas) do all the things you have heard about, both good & bad. I have had my share of "run-ins" with other frats, been naked in public, passed out on road trips, all that. BUT, I also graduated with a Masters degree, received numerous community service awards, and was an Academic All-American (football) in 1986.

Even today, I walk with Omega in my heart and in my life.

Roo to da QUES!!!!

the "Grayhound"


Damn Double G, you pledged in 84, that would make you at least.....never mind....carry on.......lol

[Mack-Williams]

Damn Double G, you pledged in 84, that would make you at least.....never mind....carry on.......lol

Old enough to be some folks on the page daddy. LOL

[Sensei Melei]

Damn Double G, you pledged in 84, that would make you at least.....never mind....carry on.......lol


yeah man, back when were legally able to be pledged in public...

[Chuck P]

Old enough to be some folks on the page daddy. LOL

I know right.......opps did I agree with that.....carry on.....lol

[CoCoa Mahogany]

Interesting thread, allow me to chime in if I may...

Yes, Fraternities & Sororoties are relevant in todays society, even if WE are not as visible as inthe past. The programs & charges that we take fills a void that seems to be lacking in today's society.

Look at any "call to arms" and you will find Greek Organzations there, colors flying or not, we are there, sleeves rolled up putting in work. It's not done for exposure for the orgs, but because we all believe in helping where we are able. You see us every day, but never know who we are.

Of course as we grow older, our undergraduate habits give way to adult lives (for most of us....LOL). We are still the same people we were before, we just have more responsibilities and less free time. BUT DON'T WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO GET DOWN!!!

We are all organizations travelling different paths to get to the same destination... Community Service to the people.

I joined Omega Psi Phi in 1984 as a college sophomore. No one in my family was Greek at the time, so I knew nothing about fraternities. I looked at them all, some up close, some from afar, and found Omega to be a natural fit for me. Yes, we (Omegas) do all the things you have heard about, both good & bad. I have had my share of "run-ins" with other frats, been naked in public, passed out on road trips, all that. BUT, I also graduated with a Masters degree, received numerous community service awards, and was an Academic All-American (football) in 1986.

Even today, I walk with Omega in my heart and in my life.

Roo to da QUES!!!!



the "Grayhound"


There is an unspoken pride that comes along with being a member of A Historically Black Greek Organization...

[KBig]

Old enough to be some folks on the page daddy. LOL


tee hee... Loves me some GrayHound...

thats my dawg....

The adventures We've had I can only imagine his antics in college.

Respect to my Greek Letter'd Folks.

[Sensei Melei]

Oops, my pride is showing... my bad, I'll go put some clothes on... lol

[Chuck P]

There is an unspoken pride that comes along with being a member of A Historically Black Greek Organization...

You are absolutely right......the brother/sisterhood is for life......nothng like it.....I wish I had the opportunity to pledge at an all Black University, I hear the experience is totally different.....

[CoCoa Mahogany]

You are absolutely right......the brother/sisterhood is for life......nothng like it.....I wish I had the opportunity to pledge at an all Black University, I hear the experience is totally different.....


Chuck,

I went to FAMU my first year and 1/2 of college, I saw the pledge process and was in awe of seeing lines of 50 to 60 men and women step with great pride working toward their goal of greek life. It was an amazing sight to see and the out pouring of love when they crossed was non stop.

[panklady]

Interesting thread, allow me to chime in if I may...

Yes, Fraternities & Sororoties are relevant in todays society, even if WE are not as visible as inthe past. The programs & charges that we take fills a void that seems to be lacking in today's society.

Look at any "call to arms" and you will find Greek Organzations there, colors flying or not, we are there, sleeves rolled up putting in work. It's not done for exposure for the orgs, but because we all believe in helping where we are able. You see us every day, but never know who we are.

Of course as we grow older, our undergraduate habits give way to adult lives (for most of us....LOL). We are still the same people we were before, we just have more responsibilities and less free time. BUT DON'T WE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW TO GET DOWN!!!

We are all organizations travelling different paths to get to the same destination... Community Service to the people.

I joined Omega Psi Phi in 1984 as a college sophomore. No one in my family was Greek at the time, so I knew nothing about fraternities. I looked at them all, some up close, some from afar, and found Omega to be a natural fit for me. Yes, we (Omegas) do all the things you have heard about, both good & bad. I have had my share of "run-ins" with other frats, been naked in public, passed out on road trips, all that. BUT, I also graduated with a Masters degree, received numerous community service awards, and was an Academic All-American (football) in 1986.

Even today, I walk with Omega in my heart and in my life.

Roo to da QUES!!!!

the "Grayhound"

Did you say NEKKID in public? There's always one...our was Roderick Beaty (RIP). I know that you (Ques) do great stuff but I tell ya what I've been to enough affair where a member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc-have turnt (yes turnt) it out... LOL

[Chuck P]

Chuck,

I went to FAMU my first year and 1/2 of college, I saw the pledge process and was in awe of seeing lines of 50 to 60 men and women step with great pride working toward their goal of greek life. It was an amazing sight to see and the out pouring of love when they crossed was non stop.

Thats what I've been told, I've pledged some brothas from Tenn State and Alabama A&M but they were in their early weeks......I believe they still do the death march down south.....that shit would be the bomb to see........

[Discogoddess]

Honestly, I'm not so sure that BGLOs are as relevant as they NEED TO BE today. Yes, we all do a lot of good (that we very often don't get "credit" for). However, I find some of the methods stale and in need of a REAL overhaul. Not the band-aid or window dressing type, either.

Additionally, given that we have the weight of all the negative shit that members of are actually guilty of, along with the silly ass, often incorrect perceptions (read the AKA bday thread for examples), I'd say that our orgs need to seriously soul-search. Perhaps pick one or two areas of focus per org and really be on that, forcefully, efficiently and successfully.

Either that, or just say fugg it and be the supposedly exclusive, elitist (ha!)social clubs that many accuse of being and be done with it.

[Chuck P]

Honestly, I'm not so sure that BGLOs are as relevant as they NEED TO BE today. Yes, we all do a lot of good (that we very often don't get "credit" for). However, I find some of the methods stale and in need of a REAL overhaul. Not the band-aid or window dressing type, either.

Additionally, given that we have the weight of all the negative shit that members of are actually guilty of, along with the silly ass, often incorrect perceptions (read the AKA bday thread for examples), I'd say that our orgs need to seriously soul-search. Perhaps pick one or two areas of focus per org and really be on that, forcefully, efficiently and successfully.

Either that, or just say fugg it and be the supposedly exclusive, elitist (ha!)social clubs that many accuse of being and be done with it.

DG, I feel what you are saying with both hands......and I agree with the assessment.....

[Discogoddess]

The other thing, to address Kelli's original post re: not "seeing" these orgs lately: They need PR firms! With as many marketing/PR professionals as I'm assuming there must be in each of these orgs, I remain puzzled as to why there's not more general, onging public outreach.

Also, there's just more "noise" in the media sphere...folk aren't going to their reliable old hometown or black newspaper for info. And in major markets it can be difficult to get media to pay attention (though why there aren't articles in today's Chicago Tribune and Sun-Times re: AKA's centennial--since our headquarters are here--is beyond me).

[housewithme]

shit.. fuckin frat boys painted one of the two swans that lived in our campus pond their frat colors.... it died... the girl swan died of sadness 2 weeks later.


:icon130: sad.