MDMA in the USA

[Jolyon]

Was wondering if anyone wanted to talk about their first encounters with MDMA (E)...as you know it hit the UK big time in 1988 via US/Ibiza/Amsterdam...why was it slower to take off on a bigger scale in the US? Was it hard to come by?

Just curious smile.gif E kicked off a huge youth movement here in the UK.

P.S. To be upfront my first experience was in 1989 and was graemlins/remybussi.gif

[D J 1 3 8]

I was talking about this with my sister the other day. She is a little older than me. She was telling me that, when she was in college, MDMA was still legal in some US states. Her friends would drive down to Texas (I think) and buy it legally. She had some bad experiences so never really got into it. Also, my brother-in-law used to make it with his Chemistry friends in college in the early 80s. Now he's got some wild stories.

As far as drugs go, I was a late bloomer and didn't try it until my late 20s. MDMA, like most drugs (alcohol included), can be fun if used in moderation. However, the long term effects may turn out to be quite scary. On the other hand, my brother-in-law tripped hundreds of times in the early 80s and he's fine.

I think MDMA caught on late in the states because the rave scene itself caught on late. I mean, it took 15 years for E to catch up to the hip hop scene.

[daniel]

my friend is now showing signs of parkinsons. grEat.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by daniel:
my friend is now showing signs of parkinsons. grEat. that's bad. was he a heavy user?

[drilla]

Originally posted by daniel:
my friend is now showing signs of parkinsons. grEat. obviously, you are saying this because it can be linked to use of mdma...

is this for real? that sucks.

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
I was talking about this with my sister the other day. She is a little older than me. She was telling me that, when she was in college, MDMA was still legal in some US states. Her friends would drive down to Texas (I think) and buy it legally. She had some bad experiences so never really got into it. Also, my brother-in-law used to make it with his Chemistry friends in college in the early 80s. Now he's got some wild stories.

As far as drugs go, I was a late bloomer and didn't try it until my late 20s. MDMA, like most drugs (alcohol included), can be fun if used in moderation. However, the long term effects may turn out to be quite scary. On the other hand, my brother-in-law tripped hundreds of times in the early 80s and he's fine.

I think MDMA caught on late in the states because the rave scene itself caught on late. I mean, it took 15 years for E to catch up to the hip hop scene. The quality over here dipped after 1991 ish.

Texas was the place where E first started out as a recreational drug.

[Jamie 3:26]

They used to have it very openly in the early 80's.I know it was the shit @ the box.I actually think they used to take MDA.I have heard tales of it.They used to put it on their finger and lick/suck it off.

[MarkK]

One reason it was bigger in the UK was price. Most of it is made in Holland or Belgium and the price is someting like $5.

In the us the price is more like $15 tp $25.

[mdpm99]

Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

[GrantB]

It certainly wasn't hard to come by in the early/mid 90s on the West Coast. Stuff was everywhere. It has tapered off quite a bit now.

Quality was very high back then. All glassy powder (usually put in gelcaps) and very few tabs. There are some true school scientists around the Bay area, including people who are licensed to have precursors for research purposes and their students. These days you are a lot more likely to see tabs that are imported from elsewhere.

[kev]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
Also, my brother-in-law used to make it with his Chemistry friends in college in the early 80s. Now he's got some wild stories.Can you share some stories with us?

[daniel]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daniel:
my friend is now showing signs of parkinsons. grEat. that's bad. was he a heavy user? </font>[/QUOTE]yep. it's strange that for something that started creeping up in about '85, the link to parkinsons wasn't discovered until a few years ago. sucks.

[Jolyon]

One thing about MDMA...whenever I had a cold it helped get rid of it.

[Jolyon]

p.s. an excellent site

http://www.ecstasy.org/

[kev]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
One thing about MDMA...whenever I had a cold it helped get rid of it. Someone once told me that when I had a cold. I wasn't trying to find out.

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Also, my brother-in-law used to make it with his Chemistry friends in college in the early 80s. Now he's got some wild stories.Can you share some stories with us? </font>[/QUOTE]I can't really remember all of the details. He was at the University of Virginia. he was also a big Studio 54 head. He used to do alot of E and LSD together, which he has described as "a 12-hour full-body orgasm". I kid you not. I have never tried this mixture, nor am I likely to.

[Ben.]

Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by daniel:
my friend is now showing signs of parkinsons. grEat. that's bad. was he a heavy user? </font>[/QUOTE]yep. it's strange that for something that started creeping up in about '85, the link to parkinsons wasn't discovered until a few years ago. sucks. </font>[/QUOTE]I watched a documentary on tv that was about mdma being able to help people with parkinsons...

[daniel]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Also, my brother-in-law used to make it with his Chemistry friends in college in the early 80s. Now he's got some wild stories.Can you share some stories with us? </font>[/QUOTE]I can't really remember all of the details. He was at the University of Virginia. he was also a big Studio 54 head. He used to do alot of E and LSD together, which he has described as "a 12-hour full-body orgasm". I kid you not. I have never tried this mixture, nor am I likely to. </font>[/QUOTE]"trolling" - tripping + rolling. i never tried it.

[GrantB]

Originally posted by daniel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ 138:
Also, my brother-in-law used to make it with his Chemistry friends in college in the early 80s. Now he's got some wild stories.Can you share some stories with us? </font>[/QUOTE]I can't really remember all of the details. He was at the University of Virginia. he was also a big Studio 54 head. He used to do alot of E and LSD together, which he has described as "a 12-hour full-body orgasm". I kid you not. I have never tried this mixture, nor am I likely to. </font>[/QUOTE]"trolling" - tripping + rolling. i never tried it. </font>[/QUOTE]AKA candy flip

Overrated IMO. LSD is pretty pointless and routine unless you take a lot (enough), in which case you'll be sorry if you're high on any methamphetamine. If you take a disco dose of the L and a cap of E, it's like "whoa trippy dude I'm really fvcked up!" and that's about it. Get some big fuzzy pants whoopee you're a superhero. This goes for psylocybin also. Read Terence McKenna (RIP).

[sammyrock]

Still look for it..lol,Herion is my type of drug anyday.MORE-PHINE INDEED..lol :D

[housebe4titties]

www.maps.org (http://www.maps.org)
the multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies.
these are doctors who legally study several drugs effects on mental health. they cover all drugs like mdma, pot, lsd, salvia divinorum, ayuahasca, cocaine, and other drugs i've never heard of.
you can also volunteer for their research projects if they're doing one in your city, but most times you have to be diagnosed with something like manic depression.
a few friends of mine are members of MAPS, and i plan on becoming one.
if rick doblin comes to lecture in your town, i encourage you to go hear him speak.

the most interesting part of the site is reading the case studies from a childrens mental hospital in the 60s/70s. these kids were seriously messed up with shit like schizophrenia and were most likely to die anyway.
they had 'sessions' with these kids where they gave them high doses of LSD and psilocibin. the end results are amazing!
read for yourself:
http://65.18.176.18/news-letters/v07n3/07318fis.html

[ August 06, 2003, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: casscade ]

[muel]

They have been in Australia since the late 80's too.
My partner had her first around 89 and I had my 1st early 1990, and twas glorious.

Hey GrantB, good to see other poeple on this page who read Terence McKenna too smile.gif

[sr hadden]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Methylenedioxymethamphetamine k .. k .. k .. K ...k .. k .. COCAINE !!!!


peace

[socratez]

I know some poeple who did lots of speed and XTC back in the 90's and they are all pretty ****ed up. Most of m suffer from depression and memory problems. They also seem to be emotionaly blunted. IM glad i only used it a couple of times.

Ive also heard that MDA was the more common drug in the BOX. MDA was an earlier form of MDMA. MDA is heavier and more damaging to the brain.

[Mah'chew]

I read that there was a legal loop hole and that it was available over the counter in some bars in Texas as early as 1982.

I also heard that you had to pay with a credit card for these original caps, possibly because of another loop hole.

[O'love]

Originally posted by socratez:
I know some poeple who did lots of speed and XTC back in the 90's and they are all pretty ****ed up. Most of m suffer from depression and memory problems. They also seem to be emotionaly blunted. IM glad i only used it a couple of times.

Ive also heard that MDA was the more common drug in the BOX. MDA was an earlier form of MDMA. MDA is heavier and more damaging to the brain. chicken and egg.... it could very well be that people with depressions are more likely to start taking drugs.... same for the link between E's and parkinson..it's not proven by far.... there are plenty of people with parkinson that never used XTC ... so be very carefull with making or believing such links.... the real effects can only be noticed after several decades of scientific research..... and there's also a lot of politics involved, i believe the US gouvernment is still *trying* to prove that hash and marihuana are damaging to your health....

Olaf (who only uses alcohol and cafeine) ;)

[Clarkeecat]

"out Of It- A Cultural History Of Intoxication" by stuart walton graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Matthew

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by socratez:

Ive also heard that MDA was the more common drug in the BOX. MDA was an earlier form of MDMA. MDA is heavier and more damaging to the brain. Hello socratez


I believe that's what a lot of dealers here in UK started selling "MDA" , as the law isn't as harsh if you get caught selling, less risky for dealers, crapper for the person buying.

MDMA - used through marriage guidance in the USA, people on brink of divorce would be placed into a room and given an E.
I read this about 1986, around the time is was made illegal right ?

The drug may be dangerous ? but so can breathing air in some places, it certainly isn't in the same league as drugs like Thalidomide.

Cocaine will wreck your brain and extasy will ruin your life - Dr Alban

I don't need no cocaine it's too much for my brain , I need the real thing http://deephousepage.com/smilies/rasta.gif- Barrington Levi

N-E-W Y-O-R-K, that's New York, man
No Jim, you've made a mistake, Jim
I'm gonna teach you the right way
And the proper way to spell New York
Well, go ahead, John

A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork
That's the way we spell New York, Jim - yeah
You see, I'm a dynamite
So all you got to do is hold me tight
Because I'm out a sight, you know
'Cause I'm a dynamite

But everytime I walk in the rain
Man, o man, I feel a pain, I feel a burning pain
Keep on burning in my bloody brain

I've got cocaine runnin' around my brain

- Dillinger

[socratez]

Good thinking there Olaf, but i know because of my study (neuropsychology) that many ressearches have found damaging effects of mdma on the nerve-system. In most of their ressearch they can outweigh the effects of former psychiatric illnesses by screening the subjects of the ressearch.

But there is still a very strong genetic effecrt there to.
But still, the relation between the use of xtc and psychiatric illnesses is to strong to deny.


Originally posted by O'love:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by socratez:
I know some poeple who did lots of speed and XTC back in the 90's and they are all pretty ****ed up. Most of m suffer from depression and memory problems. They also seem to be emotionaly blunted. IM glad i only used it a couple of times.

Ive also heard that MDA was the more common drug in the BOX. MDA was an earlier form of MDMA. MDA is heavier and more damaging to the brain. chicken and egg.... it could very well be that people with depressions are more likely to start taking drugs.... same for the link between E's and parkinson..it's not proven by far.... there are plenty of people with parkinson that never used XTC ... so be very carefull with making or believing such links.... the real effects can only be noticed after several decades of scientific research..... and there's also a lot of politics involved, i believe the US gouvernment is still *trying* to prove that hash and marihuana are damaging to your health....

Olaf (who only uses alcohol and cafeine) ;) </font>[/QUOTE]

[matthew]

i did mdma powder for the first time in ibiza last year and spent 6 hours lying on the roof terrace of pacha in utter bliss (i know, i am a walking cliche). it was ace.
i do drugs very rarely now and am cognisant of their dangers, but at the right time and place i still think they are great

[Jacques de Doozu]

Originally posted by matthew:

i do drugs very rarely now and am cognisant of their dangers, but at the right time and place i still think they are great same here, never had a problem doing them on special occasions (meaning not preplanned).
still everytime i think about the time i was buzzed on something i get a strange chill down my spine, as if the things i felt at that time were 'not real', and just evoked by the drugs. it can be very dual at times.
peace

[richierich]

The only problem that I have with drugs are when I can't get any - RichieRich 2003

[daniel]

word. i still get those acid shakes down my back from time to time.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

I've had so many drugs back in the day (didn't touch Heroine or crack -wasn't glamorous :eek: ) I am not too sure if I had ever had MDMA graemlins/conf44.gif Hell, it's a wonder I am alive and have all of my functions graemlins/scared.gif

[socratez]

graemlins/spanka.gif be carefull with that shit man

[socratez]

i was going to post a link to a website with some longterm effects of designer drugs,, but on second thought graemlins/bolt.gif

I did acid a couple of times,, im affraid that ill have a flashback one day. graemlins/scared.gif

[Jolyon]

I did acid god knows how many times and i've never had a flashback... it's a myth.

[housedeep]

Originally posted by Mah'chew:
I read that there was a legal loop hole and that it was available over the counter in some bars in Texas as early as 1982.

I also heard that you had to pay with a credit card for these original caps, possibly because of another loop hole. yes this is true! The most infamous club of the Texas X scene was the Stark Club in Dallas. They sold caps at the bar and you could put it on your credit card.

[socratez]

Kick it up,,, i wanna keep this thread going


Originally posted by housedeep:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mah'chew:
I read that there was a legal loop hole and that it was available over the counter in some bars in Texas as early as 1982.

I also heard that you had to pay with a credit card for these original caps, possibly because of another loop hole. yes this is true! The most infamous club of the Texas X scene was the Stark Club in Dallas. They sold caps at the bar and you could put it on your credit card. </font>[/QUOTE]