Is it THAT bad?

[darrow]

So I look at the most recent 20 threads and I see these four...

* The failure of house as a movement/scene
* Why is there such dissension amongst DJ's?
* Why is it that house as a genre has the most whiners?
* too bad househeads don't have a hiphop mentality

Is it THAT bad out there? Is it so much better in the non-House world? You could almost get the impression that everything has gone to hell.

[drilla]

no, it is not.

the world is a playground, enjoy it. don't let others discount what you find enjoyable because of their personal views or expectations of a music or art.

[darrow]

Originally posted by matthew j:
no, it is not.

the world is a playground, enjoy it. don't let others discount what you find enjoyable because of their personal views or expectations of a music or art. Yeah, I do enjoy it, even despite the crap I sometimes go through as a DJ. I'm simply perplexed by what seems to be a real negative attitude. I'm wondering if I'm simply out of the loop and am missing something.

[drilla]

i dont think you are missing anything....

music and art continue in cycles...it is sometimes hard to see these cycles if you are involved in one particular genre (house, deep house, dance music). i think all that is happening now (financial woes, change in music formats, change in technology) is going to make for some interesting changes...good ones at that.

dj is a frustrating task sometimes man...i hear that.

i feel thought that instead of understanding negative thoughts/actions about this or anything is moot. just recognize what they are and do not let them affect your judgment, as best as you can.

sometimes the walls break down...we are all not that righteous and able to tolerate at times....

one person's negative attitude or feeling about something...a post in big ass letters saying something negative about house or whatever is not the way it is.

the way it is, is the way you want it to be...

make your own world, be it on a large scale or small.

personally, i stay away from the large scale...people scare me, so i just make fun of them mostly.

damn, i just typed alot.

[House]

the bad is never really that bad and the good is never really that good...

we do have major issues..mgazines failing, small retail outlets closing, major house label folding, lack of support or disconyinuation of the dance music divisions of majors, internet downloading, lack of venues, the rave act, aging population of this demographic

need i go on

i've been trying to say the emperor has no clothes for a while now...is he completelynaked? - no..will he eat high on the hog whilst wearin a thong and holey socks? - no to that too

are there answers? - yes

but only if we have the courage to frame and ask the questions - thats a simple business plan

[Drrtynewyork]

wow matt getting deep

[Pete Nice]

it depends where you are coming from.... if you take a look at everything around you right now, most things are failing or they are in a state of decay. i think the posts you have been seeing lately are a result of the overall climate in this country right now. when it's easy everyone takes it easy and when it's tough, well some don't get tough graemlins/conf44.gif

[drilla]

Originally posted by square root:
it depends where you are coming from.... if you take a look at everything around you right now, most things are failing or they are in a state of decay. i think the posts you have been seeing lately are a result of the overall climate in this country right now. when it's easy everyone takes it easy and when it's tough, well some don't get tough graemlins/conf44.gif i think history shows us that alot things fail and decay and alot of things succeed and prosper. i also believe that now, as a whole country, we are more aware of news events from all over the country and the world. further, i believe that news and people in general are partial to controversy and negativity. this may make things seem worse now, if you are to compare to the past...

i do not disagree that times are rough right now...but, they are not as rough as other points in history or in our country (im assuming you are talking about the us)...and wonderful movements (music) came out of those times and frustrations.

we are due for one, no doubt....a wonderful movement that is.

[darrow]

I guess I should clarify something too.

I see many posts that identify the negative. I think we are all aware of the negative. Magus cites a few...declining magazine sales, stores closing, etc.

At what point do we start doing anything about it? Or maybe as individuals and small groups, we already are? At what point do we take a suggestion, mull it over, discuss it, expand on it (not just cut it to pieces) and then implement it?

I remember once posting an idea about doing a mass request to a radio station. The idea may have been naive and not well thought out, but I found it interesting that the tendency seemed to be "that's a waste of time"..."don't bother", instead of..."hmmm, you know...maybe we could try THIS instead or in addition to.."

I bring that up not because I thought the idea was that great. I bring it up as yet another example of negativity which seems to put up barriers, though yes talking about and identifying the negative can at least be informative.

[Pete Nice]

@matthew j
times are not as rough for americans as in other points that's for damn sure. part of that is each generation gets handed more things, than having to work for or go through a 'ritual' and earn their respective place, so to speak. this is a result of our sometimes beautiful/naive parents to want the best for us. i think i'm straying somewhat now, so i'll stop.

@darrow
I remember once posting an idea about doing a mass request to a radio station. The idea may have been naive and not well thought out, but I found it interesting that the tendency seemed to be "that's a waste of time"..."don't bother", instead of..."hmmm, you know...maybe we could try THIS instead or in addition to.."
i've spouted many an idea usually only to meet the same responses. always stick to what you believe and be willing to learn from those who present positive critism or alternetives(sp)

[House]

Originally posted by darrow:
I guess I should clarify something too.

I see many posts that identify the negative. I think we are all aware of the negative. Magus cites a few...declining magazine sales, stores closing, etc.

At what point do we start doing anything about it? Or maybe as individuals and small groups, we already are? At what point do we take a suggestion, mull it over, discuss it, expand on it (not just cut it to pieces) and then implement it?

I remember once posting an idea about doing a mass request to a radio station. The idea may have been naive and not well thought out, but I found it interesting that the tendency seemed to be "that's a waste of time"..."don't bother", instead of..."hmmm, you know...maybe we could try THIS instead or in addition to.."

I bring that up not because I thought the idea was that great. I bring it up as yet another example of negativity which seems to put up barriers, though yes talking about and identifying the negative can at least be informative. i for one would never tell you to NOT do something..you never know what can happen

and i try to make a change all the time cause i don't wnt to be part of the landscape

peace

[mdpm99]

The DJ for the most part, "holds the key."

They can and have moved mountains.

Tis' time, once again, to hit that note.....together.

Facing the music, is truly a beautiful experience.

d

[ July 30, 2003, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[däp]

Originally posted by matthew j:
no, it is not.

the world is a playground, enjoy it. don't let others discount what you find enjoyable because of their personal views or expectations of a music or art. say it again.