HOUSE MUSIC: I have no respect for you! – by Keith Blackstone

[BigHaus]

The DJ: How many times have you had to deal with DJs who show up or not, based on how their mood hits them on the day of the gig?

The Label: You’re at your local record store, shopping for new records. There is a wall of vinyl right in front of you, and you spend a good two hours going thru all the latest releases, yet after all that you walk out with five records max.

The Club: When you get to the front of the line after waiting 30-45 minutes, you’re greeted by extremely unfriendly door staff that has enough attitude for 10 people.

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[dj c-los]

good article

[BigHaus]

Werd!

[Sharp Eye Washington]

Start playing hip hop or jazz, who gives a phuck. Merry Christmas.

[12th house]

Originally posted by Phil Bernard:
Start playing hip hop or jazz, who gives a phuck. Merry Christmas. I don't think that is the point of the article, and btw, the same things could (or have) happened with hiphop and jazz (definitely hiphop). I think the article is about caring about the longevity of this particular style of music, not griping to the point of saying "fuk it...i'm leaving house for hiphop."

Actually, the article's about accountability, I think it says that somewhere in the title. ;)

[shanequa sanchez]

nice...i've been saying these same things to friends for a while...and instead i've been told that i complain too much and that it's "that kind of attitude " that is killing the scene....go figure.
as for going to the clubs... i may go out once a year now...TOPS!!
and i make sure that i know what kind of party it is and whose associated with it...there are still some folks that know how to do it right!!
thanks mr. blackstone!!
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[Querck]

Right on point. I have always been dumbfounded by the lack of professionalism in our scene. Just because we're "underground" doesn't mean we should be unprofessional.

[kayotv]

Good piece. Just keep plugging though. You see what needs to be done. Make it happen and the whole thing about accoutability is right on. Still, make the best of what we got and totally respect what we do and the consumers of the scene.

I truly believe "the ends justify the means."

good article
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the other keith ;)

[ December 26, 2003, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: kayo ]

[ToeKnee]

Originally posted by kayo:
Good piece. Just keep plugging though. You see what needs to be done. Make it happen and the whole thing about accoutability is right on. Still, make the best of what we got and totally respect what we do and the consumers of the scene.

good article

the other keith ;) Ditto.

Keith, This is so true. I love House music. But I've been to House music clubs and functions where the door people are rude & arrogant, Where some of the bartenders are curt, the DJ is not paying attention to his audience, and the staff has a bad attitude. The whole vibe is like we should just be glad that they are open and playing House and we should take whatever they dish out.
I want to go and support but these type of clubs make it difficult.

I choose my parties carefully nowadays. If I go to a new club and the door people are not cool, I turn right around and take my hard earned money else where.
Promoters and club owners should realize that the door people are the first introduction into their function/establishment. If the patrons have to go through an unpleasant experience getting into the place, what kind of mood are they going to be in when they get inside? Your function has already lost points by this.

We as House heads, suffer through these situations while trying to support our music. I don't feel that we should have to.

I could speak on the other issues that Keith mentioned but this post would probably be a few pages by itself. I think that Keith said it quite eloquently and I agree with most of his comments.

Peace,
Toe Knee

[ December 26, 2003, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: ToeKnee ]

[DJ Keith Porter]

Brav the fvck o!

I agree 100,0000,000,000,000%

Great friggin article!

Im not going to go into detail but a good chunk of that article was exactly why I left Caviar Studios! Reguardless of how much time and work I put into that place.

I wanted red carpet for the patrons and others wanted some dirty rug from mommas basement!I want to give quality each and every time I do anything period! Believe me the respect last longer!

As far as the DJ thing goes I give my best no matter where I'm playing. I could be playing at some big club, a free event or a small close nit basement party and you'll see I'm playing like my life depends on it.

Not mentioning any DJ names but you know who they are. They don't play like they use too!

Just my 2 cents!

Props to you Keith Blackstone! hail.gif hail.gif hail.gif hail.gif

[Tony Cano]

sorry - folks. i am not buying it.

the dj, the club, and record labels are not the root of the problem.

truth is our radio got jacked and things went underground. we have no new blood in our scene.

tc

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by Tony Cano:
sorry - folks. i am not buying it.

the dj, the club, and record labels are not the root of the problem.

truth is our radio got jacked and things went underground. we have no new blood in our scene.

tc The lack of accountability is the problem (imo). Those 3 cases were just examples of such, not "the" root cause... Also, even when house was on the radio, remember it was still underground.

Also remember it's a matter of perspective. The article is from my own point of view. Your view might be completely different smile.gif

thx for the feedback everyone smile.gif

[ December 26, 2003, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: Keith Blackstone ]

[ToeKnee]

O.k., Maybe I'll touch a little bit on one of the other subjects that keith talked about. The music itself. Though there are some understandable and valid concerns and points, there's not always a simple solution to putting out good product. And, it's even trickier to critique someone else's hard work.


Some things to consider:

A). There's a saying in the medical field that goes, "The operation was a success but the patient died". This may sound like a contradictary statement, but it is true in some cases. You can have all of the right elements there before you and the record may still bomb. Mainly because there are so many things that can go wrong between the time of the initial idea, and the mastering. Believe me, I know this first hand. You just have to do the best that you can with it, and then learn from your mistakes.
Possibly, a remixer or DJ can take that record to the next level.

B). There are also the people that put tracks together just to make a quick buck. Or, sometimes they are just experimenting with different ideas to see if they will work on the dance floor.

C). Also, every song can't be "The Hit". As you guys know, fillers & beat records have their place in House music. Whether it's to just keep the vibe going or help with the transition to another style of music or groove .

D). Most labels usually want to put out good product but also have to look at their bottom line. If the record is "so-so" but has the vibe/ sound/vocalist/beat that's happening at the moment, it may help to bring some revenue in to the company so that they can afford to keep their doors open & subsequently put out the more serious jamms.

I do agree that no matter what the situation is, if the customer doesn't like a record, he or she shouldn't buy it.

These are just some random thoughts that I had on the subject of making House music. There are so many other ideas and points of view. I feel that this BounceFM article definitely helps open up a dialog that may hopefully help the progression of House music.

Peace,
Tony

[Sam The Man Burns]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tony Cano:
sorry - folks. i am not buying it.

the dj, the club, and record labels are not the root of the problem.

truth is our radio got jacked and things went underground. we have no new blood in our scene.

tc The lack of accountability is the problem (imo). Those 3 cases were just examples of such, not "the" root cause... Also, even when house was on the radio, remember it was still underground.

Also remember it's a matter of perspective. The article is from my own point of view. Your view might be completely different smile.gif

thx for the feedback everyone smile.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I like to thank you Mr.Blackstone for the "Steal Vybe EP".
I've been playing it for about a month at my Sunday night party in Washington DC.
Great Work! Great dancefloor response.

House Music, I have graemlins/respekt.gif for you.

Keep Up The Great Work! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

[ December 27, 2003, 04:06 AM: Message edited by: Sam The Man Burns ]

[simon b]

In Montreal the only house music institution that have been able to maitain are the ones that are based in quality and respect of the essecene of real house music (Inbeat, Stereo, Utopia's Paradise, Soulmeka, jojoflores/gotsoul/therapy, Fred Everything, etc...) .

Survival of the fittest.

[music]

malcom x:

spend your money where you can work and get respect.

[miss al boogie]

i worked in a club where they specifically told the bar and coat check staff to treat the patrons like shit or ignore them. this was because it would convince the patrons that the club was very "exclusive." i thought it was bullshit...

[Tony Cano]

Originally posted by miss al boogie:
i worked in a club where they specifically told the bar and coat check staff to treat the patrons like shit or ignore them. this was because it would convince the patrons that the club was very "exclusive." i thought it was bullshit... i have worked at a few clubs myself. this attitude does not only exist in "house" clubs.