Stop hating on 50 cent!

[SENSE MGMT]

Hip Hop is urban music, much like house, the soundtrack to lower class America. A way for people from the streets to express themselves. 50 is the shiznit. Good stuff.

[And]

Who's hatin?
I caught his performance on an episode of Sat. night live (rerun). If I could make out a word he was saying that'd be one thing.
Give me digable planets or de la soul any day. smile.gif

[Bold Soul]

Ah - that oh so blessed meme - HATING.

Q - how different is it to refer to those who oppose your "soundtrack of lower class America" a "HATER" than:

</font> Referring to those who oppose the current administration's policies as "UNPATRIOTIC".</font> Referring to someone who disagrees with the number of Black to White women in the party as "RACIST".</font> Referring to critics of an entertainment event as "COMPLAINERS".</font>

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by 6 23:
Who's hatin?
I caught his performance on an episode of Sat. night live (rerun). If I could make out a word he was saying that'd be one thing.
Give me digable planets or de la soul any day. smile.gif My oldest and I discussed this last night. I asked her how the music and lyrics effect her mental state - is she motivated to behave in certain ways; does she experience any triggers - positive or negative - when she hears certain phrases...

Her response was that she feels safe listening to it since neither her nor her friends can understand half of what he's saying anyhow. graemlins/rofl.gif

[ May 07, 2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[And]

;) to BoldSoul.

*

I'd also like to add that I am now officially tired of that word "hatin'" graemlins/sleep2.gif

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

I don't like him and the other folk like him. Just because he can relate to lower class America doesn't mean he is helping them. He is saying nothing to the effect of getting out of a ghetto becoming something but being shot at.

So No I will not like him as an artist, I don't know him to hate him. I just pray he knows that he is someone that the kids look up to and he should watch what he raps about.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by Sense Productions:
Hip Hop is urban music, much like house, the soundtrack to lower class America. A way for people from the streets to express themselves. 50 is the shiznit. Good stuff. The soundtrack of "lower class America"????? That's rather elitist, don't ya think?? Bad choice of words, dude......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sense Productions:
Hip Hop is urban music, much like house, the soundtrack to lower class America. A way for people from the streets to express themselves. 50 is the shiznit. Good stuff. The soundtrack of "lower class America"????? That's rather elitist, don't ya think?? Bad choice of words, dude......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Memetic innoculations will be available at boldsoul.com. Sign up for eMail notification when this service comes online!

[Bill Blake]

Sense

Remember that track on the Black Star album 'Hater Player'?

[MYOR]

Originally posted by DiscoLady:
I don't like him and the other folk like him. Just because he can relate to lower class America doesn't mean he is helping them. He is saying nothing to the effect of getting out of a ghetto becoming something but being shot at.

So No I will not like him as an artist, I don't know him to hate him. I just pray he knows that he is someone that the kids look up to and he should watch what he raps about. What is he suppose to rap about?

Look at his life.

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
I don't like him and the other folk like him. Just because he can relate to lower class America doesn't mean he is helping them. He is saying nothing to the effect of getting out of a ghetto becoming something but being shot at.

So No I will not like him as an artist, I don't know him to hate him. I just pray he knows that he is someone that the kids look up to and he should watch what he raps about. What is he suppose to rap about?

Look at his life. </font>[/QUOTE]Malcom X, Stokley Carmichael, Mumia Abu Jamal, Charles S. Dutton...

Shall I continue to list the people who have been from the street who haven't been compelled to muse on the PLEASURE OF DESTRUCTION, or do you get it?

[ May 07, 2003, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: Bold Soul ]

[Bill Blake]

Click (http://www.jointcenter.org/databank/educationfinal/1997%20Educational%20Digest/Degrees/conferred/PhDs/by%20field%20sex%2093-94.html)

Bold

Its a little old but should be consistent.

Take a look at the number of PHD's which is about an average a year of Black Folks that get Phd's in philosophy and notice the number is small even when they group it religion.

A degree that is a symbol for the intellectual leadership for a people.

I think you understand what I mean by showing the stat.

[MYOR]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
I don't like him and the other folk like him. Just because he can relate to lower class America doesn't mean he is helping them. He is saying nothing to the effect of getting out of a ghetto becoming something but being shot at.

So No I will not like him as an artist, I don't know him to hate him. I just pray he knows that he is someone that the kids look up to and he should watch what he raps about. What is he suppose to rap about?

Look at his life. </font>[/QUOTE]Malcom X, Stokley Carmichael, Mumia Abu Jamal, Charles S. Dutton...

Shall I continue to list the people who have been from the street who haven't been compelled to muse on the PLEASURE OF DESTRUCTION, or do you get it? </font>[/QUOTE]Did these people have a mother that sold drugs, got killed by the time you were 8 years old then sold drugs as a means of money??

The fact is that you rap/sing about ur expierence.. and the REALITY is that his life hasn't been the most positive... So I don't expect him to rap about life being all wonderful.

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Charles S. Dutton...
What about him? Ain't he the tick bald cat who played "Roc"?

[Bold Soul]

Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
I don't like him and the other folk like him. Just because he can relate to lower class America doesn't mean he is helping them. He is saying nothing to the effect of getting out of a ghetto becoming something but being shot at.

So No I will not like him as an artist, I don't know him to hate him. I just pray he knows that he is someone that the kids look up to and he should watch what he raps about. What is he suppose to rap about?

Look at his life. </font>[/QUOTE]Malcom X, Stokley Carmichael, Mumia Abu Jamal, Charles S. Dutton...

Shall I continue to list the people who have been from the street who haven't been compelled to muse on the PLEASURE OF DESTRUCTION, or do you get it? </font>[/QUOTE]Did these people have a mother that sold drugs, got killed by the time you were 8 years old then sold drugs as a means of money??

The fact is that you rap/sing about ur expierence.. and the REALITY is that his life hasn't been the most positive... So I don't expect him to rap about life being all wonderful. </font>[/QUOTE]So Slick Rick sang about his experiences in all his abstract party rhymes? How about NWA - each member a SUBURBANITE who was COLLEGE EDUCATED?

C'mon man - your programming is showing.

[fred da warrior]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Charles S. Dutton...
What about him? Ain't he the tick bald cat who played "Roc"? </font>[/QUOTE]And did a bid for manslaughter......

[selecta]

Ordering records for the shop today I came across this:
50 Cent- IN THE CLUB In The Club (House Remix) ITC50 LP12 House


I'm afraid to hear this....

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Okay so maybe I should have been a rapper?

I lived in an abusive home, had a grand-daddy that was a prominent dope dealer on the south-side in the late 60's early 70's, his daughter my aunt was a drug-addict/prostitute that gave both of her children up. My step-father sexually assaulted me and beat my mother. My mother left him and us behind to do better, got us two years later, she died, my grandmother raised me, my sister, my two cousins (which by the way the younger girl was molested by an older cousin), we had to watch my grandmother bury all of her children - My uncle killed by Blackstones in 1969, My mother died of years of suffering from heart break and kidney disease in 1983, my aunt killed because it was a hit out on her in 1985, I was robbed, looked down several gun barrels, shot at plenty of folk and caught plenty of beatdowns etc.... need I go on?

The point I am trying to make is, I do not glorify my past, I learned from it. So rappers don't have to rap about what they have experienced they can rap about how they got away from it and how they can become examples to others looking up to them.

You know become a living testimony not a Eulogy.

[Bill Blake]

Damn Discolady!

[selecta]

alright people. we are beating a dead horse. 50 is wack, we all know that. He is the equivalent of bubble gum pop, urban pop is what you call it. That's just how it is nowadays. Gone are the days of te Juice Crew, Brand Nubian, PRT, X-CLan, LONS, etc... Although, there are stil many MC's keeping lyrical excellence alive. Check the seven heads camp (www.sevenheads.com). Also, be on the lookour for the new De LA lp. Since Tommy Boy went bye-bye their new album is self-released. The club track of ther moment is their collabo with Sean Paul.

[MYOR]

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bold Soul:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
I don't like him and the other folk like him. Just because he can relate to lower class America doesn't mean he is helping them. He is saying nothing to the effect of getting out of a ghetto becoming something but being shot at.

So No I will not like him as an artist, I don't know him to hate him. I just pray he knows that he is someone that the kids look up to and he should watch what he raps about. What is he suppose to rap about?

Look at his life. </font>[/QUOTE]Malcom X, Stokley Carmichael, Mumia Abu Jamal, Charles S. Dutton...

Shall I continue to list the people who have been from the street who haven't been compelled to muse on the PLEASURE OF DESTRUCTION, or do you get it? </font>[/QUOTE]Did these people have a mother that sold drugs, got killed by the time you were 8 years old then sold drugs as a means of money??

The fact is that you rap/sing about ur expierence.. and the REALITY is that his life hasn't been the most positive... So I don't expect him to rap about life being all wonderful. </font>[/QUOTE]So Slick Rick sang about his experiences in all his abstract party rhymes? How about NWA - each member a SUBURBANITE who was COLLEGE EDUCATED?

C'mon man - your programming is showing. </font>[/QUOTE]My Programming is showing?? What the hell is that suppose to mean... I'm not a DJ and know all the lyrics and everyones life story...

Charles Dutton: An ex-convict who served seven and a half years in prison for fatally stabbing a man in a street fight. While a prisoner, he developed a passion for the theater and completed a two-year college degree course.

He first had to kill someone and go to jail.. Yes he might have done something "positive" but after the negative...

At least the boy is not in the streets selling drugs anylonger... That is something that anyone should be proud of...

The FACT is that not everyone deals with there life the same way. If they did this life would be fricking boring as hell...

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Hey Jamie, the reality of all of that, is I have come across many barriers and would strongly consider myself as a strong woman. God truly would not allow a burden more than you can bare. If he knew I wouldn't make it, I wouldn't have been born into it.

All I can say is, I am very, very grateful and living a wonderful life now.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Hey Jamie do I qualify as a rapper?

[MC]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Ain't he the tick bald cat who played "Roc"? Stop Jimmy !!!! graemlins/lol.gif

[ May 07, 2003, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: Michael J. Carmona ]

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

At least the boy is not in the streets selling drugs anylonger... That is something that anyone should be proud of... Well, he is still glorifying the lifestyle from whence he came. That is something to be examined.

[Skip Intro]

off topic but anyone heard the new Prince Paul? I'm curious.

[MYOR]

Originally posted by DiscoLady:
The point I am trying to make is, I do not glorify my past, I learned from it. So rappers don't have to rap about what they have experienced they can rap about how they got away from it and how they can become examples to others looking up to them.

You know become a living testimony not a Eulogy. [/QB]Sorry you went through so much.

I see your point but he got out of it by rapping about it... which is the case w/most rappers..

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DiscoLady:
The point I am trying to make is, I do not glorify my past, I learned from it. So rappers don't have to rap about what they have experienced they can rap about how they got away from it and how they can become examples to others looking up to them.

You know become a living testimony not a Eulogy. Sorry you went through so much.

I see your point but he got out of it by rapping about it... which is the case w/most rappers.. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Thanx, you don't have to feel sorry for me. I was just giving a living testimony. I am very comfortable talking about my past because others that may have gone thru something similiar will know there is good that comes out of evil.

I just don't like it when the rappers only rap about their old lifestyle and somewhat glorify it. Some of the younger generation don't understand that and don't have parents around to explain it.

[ May 07, 2003, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: DiscoLady ]

[MYOR]

[/QB][/QUOTE]Thanx, you don't have to feel sorry for me. I was just giving a living testimony. I am very comfortable talking about my past because others that may have gone thru something similiar will know there is good that comes out of evil.

I just don't like it when the rappers only rap about their old lifestyle and somewhat glorify it. Some of the younger generation don't understand that and don't have parents around to explain it. [/QB][/QUOTE]

So maybe people should concentrate more on making sure youth have strong parent(I along with my 4 siblings were raised by only my mother and believe me she mad sure we didn't even think this was even remotely OK) or Parents around that can teach them this is not the road to take no matter how much its glorified... and making them see that there are better way to live...

But who knows we just might be beating a dead horse graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[SENSE MGMT]

Music is expression. Sometimes it's not all positive. Alot of us try to keep it positive, but hey some cats still thug at heart and they doing and talking about what they know. We're in America and have a right to do so. I like his shit. Personal preference. Just like yall that hate him. I'm not really trying to make yall like him. Just thought I'd be comedic and post some BS.

[DeesKo]

I think he's a strong, successful young man who survived at least one episode of extreme violence against his body, and more power to him, but that hardly makes him a good MC. His lyrics are simplistic at best. Catchy yes. Simplistic nonetheless.

More importantly I find it disturbing that even if he WERE a highly intelligent, deep person with a lot of smart things to say, he is being encouraged buy the media, buy the 4 million suburban white kids, buy his record label and buy his homies to continually ensure that he is NEVER portrayed as anything more than a thug who got shot a bunch of times. They are insisting upon his never rising above the lowest point in his life so that they can all live out their wildest thug fantasies through him.

At least they pay well right ?


Peace

[RaHaAn81]

Originally posted by Sense Productions:
Hip Hop is urban music, much like house, the soundtrack to lower class America. A way for people from the streets to express themselves. 50 is the shiznit. Good stuff. It's slave music and if you like 50, jay-z, hotmessboyz,trickdaddy, and all that none true hiphop your living in the MATRIXS. Anything with money, cars, hoe's and the blingbling shit is just plain getto shit and it's plaidout. Now if you like the slave music your just a fu_king slave.(SLAVE)
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jail.gif



A few days ago some fools playing some 50 cent type music shot seven people in Maywood IL just a couple of block from me and were my kids ride there bikes,and you say that "50 is the shiznit". Slave music is the shiznit for a f_ckin slave. (SLAVE)
But it's alright you will be ok.
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/therethere.gif

[richierich]

Here you go with that slave shit again!! graemlins/rofl.gif

[SENSE MGMT]

Hate Jay-Z and all the other you speak of. I like the production of 50's stuff more so.

[RaHaAn81]

Originally posted by Sense Productions:
Music is expression. Sometimes it's not all positive. Alot of us try to keep it positive, but hey some cats still thug at heart and they doing and talking about what they know. We're in America and have a right to do so. I like his shit. Personal preference. Just like yall that hate him. I'm not really trying to make yall like him. Just thought I'd be comedic and post some BS. You are right when you say that music is not all positive. Hell sometimes it's cool hear some none positive music wear maybe there talking about F_ckin or something like that. But how many times I must hear ganster, big pimpin, cheese, bling, hoes, and cars.That all they play on the clearslavechannel and B.e.t.. A person makes a choice to be a thug or hoe, teacher or doctor. It's not were you live, it who you are. Just think about it.

[RaHaAn81]

Originally posted by richierich:
Here you go with that slave shit again!! graemlins/rofl.gif Whats going on with you. I no you had a good time out there. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/joint.gif
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/club.gif

[richierich]

Originally posted by RaHaAn81:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
Here you go with that slave shit again!! graemlins/rofl.gif Whats going on with you. I no you had a good time out there. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/joint.gif
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/club.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Hell yeah and I can't wait to go back.. You gotta go man you owe it to yourself if you haven't been already.
Peace

[RaHaAn81]

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sad2.gif
I have not been.

[richierich]

Originally posted by RaHaAn81:
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/sad2.gif
I have not been. Oh my god Shelter is all that!!! Timmy Regisford on a Sturday night..... they party now the way we use to party. The man can straight beat it!!!!!

[ May 07, 2003, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]