Ron Hardy - Let No Man Put Asunder edit...

[Daryl]

Ok, i know tons of us have heard the edit of this song on numerous Hardy mixes...but my question is - was it Ron's edit? i heard that it was actually done by Derrick May.

also heard it from BMG from Detroit -
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/TUTORS.9.0.html?act_session=87

i know everyone had their own edit of this song back in the day and there were tons of different ones floating around, but the edit ive got (which is Derricks) sounds like the one Ron plays on a lot of the mixes ive heard.

[Dj Pat]

Ok, i know tons of us have heard the edit of this song on numerous Hardy mixes...but my question is - was it Ron's edit? i heard that it was actually done by Derrick May.

also heard it from BMG from Detroit -


i know everyone had their own edit of this song back in the day and there were tons of different ones floating around, but the edit ive got (which is Derricks) sounds like the one Ron plays on a lot of the mixes ive heard.

Best F&cking edit before Ron's was Lil Louis edit.
Louis Edit was a HEATER!!

*phm*

[Chip_E]

1. RBMA is NOT the authority on music....the entire project is run by the MARKETING arm of RedBull. Not saying it's not a cool project, but it's shouldn't be taken as the gospel.

2. I never heard Derrick's version, or heard that Ronnie was playing one by him.

3. Ronnie nor Frankie did their own edits. Neither of them knew how to use a razor blade for anything other than...(OK, I won't go there).

4. Ronnie and Frankie sometimes DIRECTED people to execute edits for them...sometimes people just gave them edits (myself included).

Ronnie was (and Frankie is) a great DJ. They were not musicians, engineers, or producers. They both learned "some" of those skills, AFTER 1987...

-e.

[AK]

1. RBMA is NOT the authority on music....the entire project is run by the MARKETING arm of RedBull. Not saying it's not a cool project, but it's shouldn't be taken as the gospel.

2. I never heard Derrick's version, or heard that Ronnie was playing one by him.

3. Ronnie nor Frankie did their own edits. Neither of them knew how to use a razor blade for anything other than...(OK, I won't go there).

4. Ronnie and Frankie sometimes DIRECTED people to execute edits for them...sometimes people just gave them edits (myself included).

Ronnie was (and Frankie is) a great DJ. They were not musicians, engineers, or producers. They both learned "some" of those skills, AFTER 1987...

-e.

Yeah, but why don't people give Farley his props? :rofl5:

[djdub63]

http://www.africanmoviesdirect.com/images/PREACH%20ON.jpg

[djwaynewilliams]

I totally disagree with that Chip.

[DJJM3.COM]

Ron had one edit where he extended parts of Let know man that was his....

There was ANOTHER edit (which broke it down further ) that people swore up and down that it was done on a sampler....which eventually ended up on the Hot Mix 5 label as "Revoked".(with a fked up Hip Hop beat put in it)..That one was Orginally was Eric Fortunes edit. which was done one a dual cassette deck......This one was done in the late 80s-about 1988-1989...


It starts out like this: Bay-Bay-Bay-Bay-Baby! Bay-Bay-Bay-Bay-Baby! *Boom*Hey-Hey-Hey*Boom*Hey-Hey-Hey*Boom*Hey*Boom*Hey*Boom*Aw Shucks*Boom*Boom*Boom*Aw Shucks....

He got a clean copy (of Ron's Original Edit) from Eric Spencer who had alot of off Reels that supposedly came from Ron.....

[Chip_E]

I totally disagree with that Chip.

Hey Wayne,

Would love to hear your insight.

I took Ronnie into the studio for the first time in 1985 to remix "Donnie",
I showed him how to use the mixing board, and he told me he had never spliced tape himself. I also took Frankie into a recording studio for the first time around 1986. Had to teach him how to use the mixing board too.
He told me that Erasmos did most of his tape edits, and that he had never even thought of making music himself. I produced Frankie's first song/track/record "You Can't Hide".

-e.

[DJJM3.COM]

I totally disagree with that Chip.


Hey Wayne,

Would love to hear your insight.

I took Ronnie into the studio for the first time in 1985 to remix "Donnie",
I showed him how to use the mixing board, and he told me he had never spliced tape himself. I also took Frankie into a recording studio for the first time around 1986. Had to teach him how to use the mixing board too.
He told me that Erasmos did most of his tape edits, and that he had never even thought of making music himself. I produced Frankie's first song/track/record "You Can't Hide".

-e.

Im putting email alerts on this thread....Its gonna get interesting.....

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Hey Wayne,

Would love to hear your insight.

I took Ronnie into the studio for the first time in 1985 to remix "Donnie",
I showed him how to use the mixing board, and he told me he had never spliced tape himself. I also took Frankie into a recording studio for the first time around 1986. Had to teach him how to use the mixing board too.
He told me that Erasmos did most of his tape edits, and that he had never even thought of making music himself. I produced Frankie's first song/track/record "You Can't Hide".

-e.

That One I Did Not Know....and I add, Chip saw the discarded tape on the floor (the analog tape that my mom used to say "Boy, pick up that mess!") and my doctor-ed Sanyo cassette player that I did pause edits with.

This is wild.........the memories!

[DJJM3.COM]

That One I Did Not Know....and I add, Chip saw the discarded tape on the floor (the analog tape that my mom used to say "Boy, pick up that mess!") and my doctor-ed Sanyo cassette player that I did pause edits with.

This is wild.........the memories!

That one with the pitch knob on the top?

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

That one with the pitch knob on the top?

Nope, the $49.99 one at Service Merchandise

[Jamie 3:26]

Nope, the $49.99 one at Service Merchandise

I copped the exact same deck used at Musiccraft in 88.I think you know why Unc...:biggrin:

[Jamie 3:26]

Here's a model close the one Remix is talking about.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/d5/32/8bd6_1.JPG

His had all of the piano keys missing.I found out,you could really have a tight ass edit,by not having the piano keys.

the only thing was getting that damn steel imprint on your finger from pausin'.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

I copped the exact same deck used at Musiccraft in 88.I think you know why Unc...:biggrin:

It's wild how some will not talk about their humble beginings (s/p).

[DJ Ronnie]

It's wild how some will not talk about their humble beginings (s/p).

:lurking:

[righteous knowledge]

damn jaime and lrr, y'all brought back flashbacks

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Here's a model close the one Remix is talking about.

http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/d5/32/8bd6_1.JPG

His had all of the piano keys missing.I found out,you could really have a tight ass edit,by not having the piano keys.

the only thing was getting that damn steel imprint on your finger from pausin'.

Oh SNAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I havent seen one of them in years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Daryl]

1. RBMA is NOT the authority on music....the entire project is run by the MARKETING arm of RedBull. Not saying it's not a cool project, but it's shouldn't be taken as the gospel.

2. I never heard Derrick's version, or heard that Ronnie was playing one by him.

-e.

1. trust me - i know RBMA is not the authority on music, but its always nice to hear peoples perspectives on different subjects.

2. if you click on that link, you can hear a portion of the edit that was (supposedly) done by Derrick May - and thats the same version/edit that i have.

[The Real Dragonfly Jones]

Oh snap. Let me grab a snack. Sounds like some knowledge is about to be dropped.

[Moksha]

Hey Wayne,

Would love to hear your insight.

I took Ronnie into the studio for the first time in 1985 to remix "Donnie",
I showed him how to use the mixing board, and he told me he had never spliced tape himself. I also took Frankie into a recording studio for the first time around 1986. Had to teach him how to use the mixing board too.
He told me that Erasmos did most of his tape edits, and that he had never even thought of making music himself. I produced Frankie's first song/track/record "You Can't Hide".

-e.

Very interesting!

Were you also in the studio with Frankie for his other early records?

[ibddj]

I copped the exact same deck used at Musiccraft in 88.I think you know why Unc...:biggrin:
damn jamie musicraft haven't heard that in a long time.

[S&S]

Best F&cking edit before Ron's was Lil Louis edit.
Louis Edit was a HEATER!!

*phm*

never heard this edit. Is It still avail anywhere

[Bill Hardy]

Ok, i know tons of us have heard the edit of this song on numerous Hardy mixes...but my question is - was it Ron's edit? i heard that it was actually done by Derrick May.

also heard it from BMG from Detroit -
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/TUTORS.9.0.html?act_session=87

i know everyone had their own edit of this song back in the day and there were tons of different ones floating around, but the edit ive got (which is Derricks) sounds like the one Ron plays on a lot of the mixes ive heard.


RON'S

[djmarbll]

I always thought Ron and Frankie did their own edits. Wow.
I used to have an Ron Hardy edit of LNMPU where it looped the guitars from the Disco Madness version, that's my favorite edit of that tune.
I used to have a Frankie tape where he played an edit of "Earth Can be Just Like Heaven" by Two Tons of Fun. That's the best edit I've ever heard.

[Jamie 3:26]

I always thought Ron and Frankie did their own edits. Wow.
I used to have an Ron Hardy edit of LNMPU where it looped the guitars from the Disco Madness version, that's my favorite edit of that tune.
I used to have a Frankie tape where he played an edit of "Earth Can be Just Like Heaven" by Two Tons of Fun. That's the best edit I've ever heard.

I know for a fact that Frankie played a ton of edits by Eramso Rivera and Mike Winston.

I also know that Ronnie played edits by other cats as well.I also know that Ronnie did his own rough edits on a tape deck and some cats re-made them tighter and gave them to him.

I had a guy who had a ton of reels that Hardy used to own.These tapes had original splices in them and everything.Some of them were edits Knuckles used to play also.

I never found out who did those original edits.

[Dj Pat]

Gary Baxter (voice on Adonis No Way Back) did quite a few of Ron's Edit's and re-work them also.
It was this one dude named Tank out West that did a few Edit's for Ronnie, but everyone had there hand's out giving him edit's to play.
The Cassette Deck that Ron Had (Pioneer CT-1000 ) that he played the majority of his Edit's on i've got it at home.
Gary got it from Ron, the motor went out on it and never got it fix. I got it from gary and got it fix.
Gary has a whole Box of Ron's old tape's (maybe still) , but there's this cat named Dewayne that has the reel's of Ron's music and a few Edit's.
Dewayne lost his mind back in the early 90's and locked himself in his room, Diagnosed as a Paranoid Skitzophrantic and that was that. The Family moved to Houston and the last of what i've heard Dewayne took his own life in the late 90's.
Now, (if some of you remember) Dewayne was a Dj back in the day's. Him, Gilroy "Sonic" Ruben and Sean Robbinson hung out tight. Dewayne & Tank had this one lost Box Track called "Fire Starter". That is the only track that i'm willing to PAY for. It had some old f*-up lyric's but the track itself was a heater.
Now before people start making Edit's and saying that it's a Ron's Original, "I can't turn around" Edit that Ron played at the Box has a distinctive level defect, it play's harder on the left than the right.
Hugo did a few Edit's for Ron and for Frankie, I gotta get the list to tell you all what's what.

*phm*

[Daryl]

Hugo did a few Edit's for Ron and for Frankie, I gotta get the list to tell you all what's what.

*phm*

a list would be a great reference tool for those of us who love studyin' the music's past...although i'd also think that it would stir up some great debates.

[TAB.]

So damn, who did his most famous track. The one with the beats and numerous accapellas like Denice Williams- Free?

[DJJM3.COM]

Nope, the $49.99 one at Service Merchandise

The one I saw you had like that was modified..like you drilled a hole and put a pitch control on the top cover.......

[DJJM3.COM]

So damn, who did his most famous track. The one with the beats and numerous accapellas like Denice Williams- Free?

He did those tracks...Rons drums...

[Huey P. Freeman]

Yeah, but why don't people give Farley his props? :rofl5::rofl:

[djroc2u]

i got part of that track with the drums and acapella. everyone i knew called it rain falls because the beginning of the track has a rain sound effect and double exposure my love is free from the disco madness lp. rahaan has that part(only cat i know that has the beginning) and ihave the rest.

[Jamie 3:26]

He did those tracks...Rons drums...

You sure about that?

Those drums are the EXACT same drums for Fingers Inc-I'm Strong.:wink:

[AK]

I know for a fact that Frankie played a ton of edits by Eramso Rivera ...



A very key person in this edit discussion. Just sayin'.

[Dj Pat]

You sure about that?

Those drums are the EXACT same drums for Fingers Inc-I'm Strong.:wink:


Actually, the Drum's are off Fingers Inc. Dj double pack "Another Side" FING1 Jack Trax Record #2, "A Love of My own".
Ron use to spin out of his track into finger's track before it was even press.

*phm*

[djmarbll]

i got part of that track with the drums and acapella. everyone i knew called it rain falls because the beginning of the track has a rain sound effect and double exposure my love is free from the disco madness lp. rahaan has that part(only cat i know that has the beginning) and ihave the rest.

Are you talking about that "My Love is Free" with the organ solo at the beginning? I think Dmitri from Paris did that, even though I've heard somebody from Chicago did that track.

[Jamie 3:26]

Actually, the Drum's are off Fingers Inc. Dj double pack "Another Side" FING1 Jack Trax Record #2, "A Love of My own".
Ron use to spin out of his track into finger's track before it was even press.

*phm*

I swore it was the track to I'm Strong....I don't have that lp anymore ,so I can't check.

Does a love of my own have the hook"Gotta keep holdin on?"

[Dj Pat]

I swore it was the track to I'm Strong....I don't have that lp anymore ,so I can't check.

Does a love of my own have the hook"Gotta keep holdin on?"

Yep, Same Drum's and everything just with vocal's.

*phm*

[Jamie 3:26]

Yep, Same Drum's and everything just with vocal's.

*phm*

I always got those 2 miixed up....thanks.

I knew it was a Fingers track.

[Dj Pat]

I always got those 2 miixed up....thanks.

I knew it was a Fingers track.

Yeah, that's a slept on track.
With or without the vocal's, it's a Heater!

*phm*

[Jamie 3:26]

Yeah, that's a slept on track.
With or without the vocal's, it's a Heater!

*phm*

Now the bassline is stuck in my head...:rofl:

[djwaynewilliams]

Now heres a question for everybody than i will give my views.Lets take Frankie if he pays for studio time brings someone to cut the tape where he says to cut it and arranges the edit is it A his edit or B The person who cut the tape.

[JMJ]

Now heres a question for everybody than i will give my views.Lets take Frankie if he pays for studio time brings someone to cut the tape where he says to cut it and arranges the edit is it A his edit or B The person who cut the tape.

He produced the edit in that scenario, so "A"......JMJ

[djwaynewilliams]

1. RBMA is NOT the authority on music....the entire project is run by the MARKETING arm of RedBull. Not saying it's not a cool project, but it's shouldn't be taken as the gospel.

2. I never heard Derrick's version, or heard that Ronnie was playing one by him.

3. Ronnie nor Frankie did their own edits. Neither of them knew how to use a razor blade for anything other than...(OK, I won't go there).

4. Ronnie and Frankie sometimes DIRECTED people to execute edits for them...sometimes people just gave them edits (myself included).

Ronnie was (and Frankie is) a great DJ. They were not musicians, engineers, or producers. They both learned "some" of those skills, AFTER 1987...

-e.Where i disagree with you Chip is i think youre undervaluing there talent in how you put it Directing people to execute there ediits.I have received numerous edits from some djs that know the studio inside out but there edit wasnt hot so i didnt play it.Both of those djs knew there crowd and there room and there lighting guy and they took all of that in when Directing people to execute.Both of these djs have held various residencies for years and have many loyal fans because of the work they put in behind the scenes.So Chip not only did i not appreciate the obvious drug reference you suggested about them while one of them cant even defend hisself.Ijust found it in poor taste that you of all people who has known them for so many years would question there talent.You have always been a low key guy and so supportive of this house music culture that i hope this was just an aberration.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

The one I saw you had like that was modified..like you drilled a hole and put a pitch control on the top cover.......

Nope, that was broken plastic.

I don't know if you remember that Home made flight case that I carted my tables etc around in but....I did a party at the Beverly House and while we were bringing the gear out the door, a gust of wind blew....off went the cover of the turntable that had the tape deck on top of it....the tape deck fell on the ground.

Ooooh I was pissed!

[djroc2u]

all i know is when i was partyin i asked the name of the track and this dj told me its called rainfalls. in fact at the end of the track, im strong comes in for the next song then cuts off.

[DJJM3.COM]

Nope, that was broken plastic.

I don't know if you remember that Home made flight case that I carted my tables etc around in but....I did a party at the Beverly House and while we were bringing the gear out the door, a gust of wind blew....off went the cover of the turntable that had the tape deck on top of it....the tape deck fell on the ground.

Ooooh I was pissed!

I remember that case......

[Chip_E]

Where i disagree with you Chip is i think youre undervaluing there talent in how you put it Directing people to execute there ediits.I have received numerous edits from some djs that know the studio inside out but there edit wasnt hot so i didnt play it.Both of those djs knew there crowd and there room and there lighting guy and they took all of that in when Directing people to execute.Both of these djs have held various residencies for years and have many loyal fans because of the work they put in behind the scenes.So Chip not only did i not appreciate the obvious drug reference you suggested about them while one of them cant even defend hisself.Ijust found it in poor taste that you of all people who has known them for so many years would question there talent.You have always been a low key guy and so supportive of this house music culture that i hope this was just an aberration.

Come on Wayne, I'm not devaluing Frankie or Ronnie, both were VERY important to House Music, and will be forever. I'm just elaborating on the myths. You might be upset about some of the things I said, but you can't say they're not true. And I didn't expose some deep dark secret about OUR friend Ron Hardy...it's kind of like saying Wayne Williams wears glasses.
As for Frankie's editing skills...according to Greg G, it sounds like he was doing some of his own splicing at the Plant...one person can't know everything, and that's why it takes contribution and discussion to get to the truth.

peace,

-e.

[sn]

I speak from my understanding and what I know to be true.

I know for a loooooooooonnnnnnnnggggggggg time, people thought that AAAAAAALLLLLLL of the tracks that were played at the BOX (326) were made by RONNIE! I remember people playing tapes and saying, "Check out this track by Ronnie". I was in the dark until Emanuel Ralford, a diehard BOXHEAD told me what was up! An there is no one on this site, then and now that knew more about the BOX (326) that "Manny".

[sn]

I remember going to the Candy Store, and seeing Mickey "Mixing" Oliver giving Ronnie edits he made. Ronnie understood that Househeads wouldn't rock to edit, if they knew were done by Mickey.

[sn]

Did Frankie do all of his edits? The edits I heard at the Plant, were the purest and cleanest.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Come on Wayne, I'm not devaluing Frankie or Ronnie, both were VERY important to House Music, and will be forever. I'm just elaborating on the myths. You might be upset about some of the things I said, but you can't say they're not true. And I didn't expose some deep dark secret about OUR friend Ron Hardy...it's kind of like saying Wayne Williams wears glasses.
As for Frankie's editing skills...according to Greg G, it sounds like he was doing some of his own splicing at the Plant...one person can't know everything, and that's why it takes contribution and discussion to get to the truth.

peace,

-e.

I agree and YES there are many a Myth about back in the day about what people did. Take the Inspector Gadget edit that I did. It would be easy for someone to say that I got that Idea from the Hip Hop song "The Show" but the timeline of when I did it and people herd me play it prove that it was my own original Idea.

I can't speak much on 326 because 16th Street was My Spot. It's wild how there are so many experts on DHP who KNOW EVERY ASPECT OF 80's Chicago - from the equiptment that was used to who made what track. Crazy dude.

[sn]

I agree and YES there are many a Myth about back in the day about what people did. Take the Inspector Gadget edit that I did. It would be easy for someone to say that I got that Idea from the Hip Hop song "The Show" but the timeline of when I did it and people herd me play it prove that it was my own original Idea.

I can't speak much on 326 because 16th Street was My Spot. It's wild how there are so many experts on DHP who KNOW EVERY ASPECT OF 80's Chicago - from the equiptment that was used to who made what track. Crazy dude.

The Box on 16th was "weak as hell" when compared to 326. We all know that US Studios came before the Box. What's amazing is to this day, before seeing you on this site, I never heard of you!

[M-TRAXXX]

Nope, the $49.99 one at Service Merchandise


I did my first cassette edit of "dancefloor" by Roger Troutmann & Zapp (what yr was that 82/83???) I used a phreakin radio shack realistic cassete deck rack w/ tables, and radio all in one...& let me tell ya man those edits were tight!!!

I did my share of editting in Full Sail Recording School back in 87/88 and was suppose to work for BMX to do edits on all the House Muzik that was being played in the mixes and make radio edits cause some of the tracks were so popular...but I giess GOD had other plans 4 me...2 wks b4 I hit Chi, I got a phone call that BMX was gonna b now longer & my Job as head editter was no more"(

Alil bit on Manny Cuevas History;) Man, GOD knowz what I would of bn up to if BMX would of hung out for a few more yrz!LOL!!!

www.myspace.com/djmtraxxx