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D J 1 3 8
08-04-2003, 08:25 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/magazine/03DOWNLOW.html?th

from the article:
Double Lives on the Down Low

Today, while there are black men who are openly gay, it seems that the majority of those having sex with men still lead secret lives, products of a black culture that deems masculinity and fatherhood as a black man's primary responsibility -- and homosexuality as a white man's perversion. And while Flex now offers baskets of condoms and lubricant, Wallace says that many of the club's patrons still don't use them.

Wallace ticks off the grim statistics: blacks make up only 12 percent of the population in America, but they account for half of all new reported H.I.V. infections. While intravenous drug use is a large part of the problem, experts say that the leading cause of H.I.V. in black men is homosexual sex (some of which takes place in prison, where blacks disproportionately outnumber whites). According to the Centers for Disease Control, one-third of young urban black men who have sex with men in this country are H.I.V.-positive, and 90 percent of those are unaware of their infection.

We don't hear much about this aspect of the epidemic, mostly because the two communities most directly affected by it -- the black and gay communities -- have spent the better part of two decades eyeing each other through a haze of denial or studied disinterest. For African-Americans, facing and addressing the black AIDS crisis would require talking honestly and compassionately about homosexuality -- and that has proved remarkably difficult, whether it be in black churches, in black organizations or on inner-city playgrounds. The mainstream gay world, for its part, has spent 20 years largely fighting the epidemic among white, openly gay men, showing little sustained interest in reaching minorities who have sex with men and who refuse to call themselves gay.

Rejecting a gay culture they perceive as white and effeminate, many black men have settled on a new identity, with its own vocabulary and customs and its own name: Down Low. There have always been men -- black and white -- who have had secret sexual lives with men. But the creation of an organized, underground subculture largely made up of black men who otherwise live straight lives is a phenomenon of the last decade. Many of the men at Flex tonight -- and many of the black men I met these past months in Cleveland, Atlanta, Florida, New York and Boston -- are on the Down Low, or on the DL, as they more often call it. Most date or marry women and engage sexually with men they meet only in anonymous settings like bathhouses and parks or through the Internet. Many of these men are young and from the inner city, where they live in a hypermasculine ''thug'' culture. Other DL men form romantic relationships with men and may even be peripheral participants in mainstream gay culture, all unknown to their colleagues and families. Most DL men identify themselves not as gay or bisexual but first and foremost as black. To them, as to many blacks, that equates to being inherently masculine.

12th house
08-04-2003, 08:51 AM
the Voice did this article, or a similar one, a couple of weeks ago too. but anyone who's lived in NYC for at least 8 or so years remembers opening the Voice or some other little paper and seeing ads for "Blatino" and "those" types of parties. The gay homo thug is nothing new...i guess the mainstream media is just catching up to it (because of the increased rates of HIV infection among straight, non-IV drug using black women?)

D J 1 3 8
08-04-2003, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by 12th house:
The gay homo thug is nothing new...i guess the mainstream media is just catching up to it (because of the increased rates of HIV infection among straight, non-IV drug using black women?) Exactly. The rate of infection is staggering.

While african Americans make up only 12% of the population, they represent 50% of all new AIDS cases.

66% of new AIDS cases among women are African American, the majority of whom seem to be catching it from their "straight" boyfriends/husbands.

Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
08-04-2003, 09:08 AM
This is no surprise. This has been going on for years. That's why as women we need to be more careful and protect ourselves. Men like that hide their homosexuality are cowards and need to consider what is at stake. Yes, being black is hard enough already but having sex with other men on the "DL" is wrong. You can keep your sexuality a secret if you don't want others to know but going back and forward having unprotected sex with women and men is dangerous.

El Mayimbe
08-04-2003, 09:16 AM
there was a great film from the recent NYC LAtino Fim festival about "homo thugs" etc on Christopher street.

Great article btw

VEESTER
08-04-2003, 09:41 AM
Women should be aware that men like this do exist. It is foolish for a person to have unprotected sex with anyone. True, these men should come clean about who they are to unsuspecting women but women should be responsible in not having unprotected sex. If not the statistics will continue to grow.

Hk
08-04-2003, 09:54 AM
....indeed its sad, sadder than that.....man on man....Prince said it best, "does NOT compute"!

But I guess this the outgrowth of living life according to one's desires, no boundaries, no discipline, and other things of which I dont even
know about.....

Gotta agree with DiscoLady on this one, its a cowaring practice that's devestating our community, but I guess as someone said, "what's
so wrong with it"......well do the math..... :(

Leslie
08-04-2003, 02:50 PM
I read this article on Friday (NYT Sunday Magazine articles appear in Friday online). I talked about it with a few different people. True enough this issue has been around for quite a few years; the question becomes how do you combat such complete selfish behavior and get people to have a level of integrity about themselves that causes them to be honest about what they are doing and stop putting other people's lives in danger?
In my eyes there is no excuse for this and I feel the same about it if the situation were reversed and women were conducting themselves in the same manner (not to say that they aren't but given how HIV is primarily passed from male to female the weight tends to fall there).