The Legacy of Grandmaster Flowers from Brooklyn

[Mike Barnes]

I'm in the midst of building with my man Troy from Uptown/Harlem, In regards to Troy doing a dedication interview/Article, On Grandmaster Flowers from Brooklyn, GrandMaster Flowers, Was one of the first cats to rock on the Dj Circuit in New York, Going back to 1969(QJ From Brooklyn, Along with Pete Dj Jones), Were the first cats to rock throwdowns on the Dj circuit in New York

Via the parks circuits, Going back to the mid/late 60's, The First time that i remember seeing Grandmaster Flowers rock live, Was in the summer of 1975, At Riis Beach in Queens(Near the Brooklyn/Queens Borderline), Riis Beach and Rockaway Beach, Were the spots in Queens, Where cats such as Grandmaster Flowers,Maboya,Pete Dj Jones,Dj Plummer,The Smith

Brothers,Etc, Used to rock throwdowns, During the early 70's to early 80's, Grandmaster Flowers influenced mad cats to become Dj's, Such as, Karima Robinson(Who was the first cat to mix at Tribeca's, On North Moore St, Near West Broadway, During the mid to late 70's), Francios K,Big Bob(Empire Skating Rink in Brooklyn/Rip),Flash(Grandmaster Flash),Etc, All of us, Who

love the Dance music scene, Owe mad respect to the memory of Grandmaster Flowers to The ninth power, My man Troy, Has more than a few interviews lined up, On Jayquan's site(The Foundation/jayquan.com), Here's some words from Paradise from XClan, As told to my man Markskillz(Wax Poetic's magazine), In regards to Grandmaster Flowers, Which was very sad, Along with being very uplifting too, Also, The Battle between Flash

(GrandMaster Flash vs Grandmaster Flowers), Took place at The Stardust Ballroom in The Bronx(Boston Road and Fish Ave in the Bronx), In 1979, I was not at the Battle between Flash and Grandmaster Flowers, But, I did hear that Flash was doing alot of tricks(Cutting,Scratchin,Rocking the breaks of plates,Etc, While Grandmaster Flowers was Mixing and Blending plates(Rockin

The breaks of plates too), Now, If Flash would have battled Grandmaster Flowers, In regards to rocking a spot allnight to the morning lite, In regards to mixing and blending, Opposed to doing tricks, Shit, I Most definitely know who would have took the prize back to Brooklyn that night(WORD/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

The story I wanna get is Grandmaster Cameron Flowers. EZ Mike told me that Flash and Flowers battled once in the late 70's and Flash whupped his ass! They gave Flash a trophy for that battle. But Flowers really
respected Flash.

Back in the 90's the name Grandmaster Flowers was just an urban legend. As you've written on your tape list Troy, Flowers died because of his addiction, he lived his last days as a panhandler. Paradise of X CLan told me this story:

"In Brooklyn, Flowers was to brothers in Brooklyn what Kool Herc was to brothers in the Bronx. Everybody loved and followed Flowers. Lumumba (Professor X - God Rest His Soul) loved Flowers!

One day we were either coming off tour or going on tour. The group was really blowing up. We were riding around midtown Manhattan, when all of a sudden Lumumba said, "Stop the car!"

All Lumumba could say was "Oh stuff...oh stuff!'

He got out and walked toward a brother with a sign in his hand. The guy was really down on his luck and was in bad shape. He bought him back to the car and introduced him to us. He said, 'This is Grandmaster Flowers!"

Lumumba was speaking to us about the jams and how hard Flowers used to rock and then he looked at him and lunged at him. I had to hold him back. Lumumba was crying, he kept saying, 'How could you do this to yourself? How could you do this to yourself! Don't you know that your responsible for all of this we're doing now!"

We cleaned Flowers up and took him on tour with us, he was our sound man."

Yo fellas, I saw X Clan a few times back in the day, I had no idea that the dude that was setting their equipment up was the legendary Grandmaster Flowers, the man that bears the distinction of being of one of - if not THE first Black mobile disc jockey in New York City to mix (blend) records as we know it today!markskillz

[kayotv]

Man jayquan's site is sick wit' it. Totally didn't know that was Angie Stone in Sequence. Thanks again

[D J 1 3 8]

as Angie Stone in Sequence

http://smiliesftw.com/x/eek3.gif

[DJ Rated M]

Man jayquan's site is sick wit' it. Totally didn't know that was Angie Stone in Sequence. Thanks again


B Angie B, kayo.......lol

[YoRel]

I only heard of him once and at that time, being that I was into the Art I thought he was a GrandMaster as in 5 degree Blackbelt.:rofl::rolleyes:

But listen to what I found

Grandmaster Flowers Live Brooklyn Park Jam 1979
http://www.zshare.net/audio/3728766f191503/

[Chris Burns]

oh snap that mix!

[FK]

I'm in the midst of building with my man Troy from Uptown/Harlem, In regards to Troy doing a dedication interview/Article, On Grandmaster Flowers from Brooklyn, GrandMaster Flowers, Was one of the first cats to rock on the Dj Circuit in New York, Going back to 1969(QJ From Brooklyn, Along with Pete Dj Jones), Were the first cats to rock throwdowns on the Dj circuit in New York

I remember being (I think) at The Stardust Ballroom with Flowers, but that was in late 1976 / early 1977. All mobile.

Many, many memories, like The Blue Maze on Nostrand Avenue, him working at Downstairs records, and lots more.

Like later around 1980 playing for Panorama (Willie Wall, Ozkar Fuller) in Brooklyn and that was Flowers' sound system,
with his old .357 Magnum sitting right next to the mixer just in case, and Larry Levan just poppin' in un-announced with an
acetate of "Heartbeat" ("Throw it on Frenchman, just throw it on now!!!"...I did)

Sorry, overseas right now and difficult to find the time to type all of this.

FK

[Sal Paradise]

This mix is great. Have never heard it before. Thanx Yorel.

[Mike Barnes]

Yorel, Good lookin with the link to, 'The Live Throwdown', From 1979, With, Grandmaster Flowers my man, Yorel, Do you know if that live throwdown from 1979, With, Grandmaster Flowers mixing, Located in Brooklyn(St.Marks Park), My man, No disrespect to my man that's on the mic, While, Grandmaster

Flowers is mixing(Why/LOL), But, Grandmaster Flowers does not need a pick(Any help to rock a spot/LOL), Though, Grandmaster Flowers would have a cat on the mic, While he was mixing(On occasion,Through the years, In the 70's), I've always preferred to hear Grandmaster Flowers mix, Without any

Interruptions(Cats on the mic/LOL), Imagine, A cat on the mic, While, Tee Scott is mixing(Picture that/LOL), Francios, Good lookin with the information in regards to your memories of Grandmaster Flowers my man, Francios, The Stardust Ballroom in The Bronx, Was one of my old spots to get loose, In the late 70's to early 80's my man/LOL, Pete Dj Jones used to rock at The

Stardust Ballroom on occasions, During the late 70's, Francios, I've only been to Panorama(Flatbush ave in Brooklyn), One time, In 1982, Ralph McDaniels was mixing the last night at Panoroma in 1982(Panorama was supposed to become a supermarket, From What i remember back then in 1982), Francios, Do you remember the timeframe, That Grandmaster Flowers, Worked at Downstairs Records(The First location on 44thst and Ave of the Americas, In

Between some office buildings, Between 6thave and 5thave, During the late 70's/Early 80's), Francios, Another cat who was very much influenced by Grandmaster Flowers, Is, Kim Lightfoot(Much Respect, If your still on the DHP Board my man), Francios, Grandmaster Flowers, Used to rock throwdowns in Queens, In the late 70's At spots such as,IS8, In Jamaica,Queens, Ajax Park

(Mad dark park, To the ninth power, I see why Grandmaster Flowers ran with a piece of Steel, Mixing at spots like Ajax Park/LOL), Rockaway Beach(Far Rockaway,Queens, Not far from Riis Beach, And, The Brooklyn/Queens Borderline), Etc, Francios, One thing that i've always respected about cats from Brooklyn(Grandmaster Flowers,Maboya,The Smith Brothers,Etc), Is, Cats from Brooklyn would not fess, When it came to traveling to other parts of New York, To rock a spot or park throwdown my man(Cats like Pete Dj

Jones,Plummer,Infinity Machine,Disco twins, Etc, Were the same way, In regards to traveling allover New York to rock a spot or park throwdown, Even in Brooklyn too/LOL), Francios, We both know, That a cat rockin in the parks

Around New York, In the 70's, Most definitely, Needed a piece of steel, Pistol/LOL), My man/LOL, Even though, Grandmaster Flowers, Was highly respected on the Dj Circuit in New York, There were cats on the stickup kid circuit in New York, That did not care about Grandmaster Flowers reputation when it came to rockin a spot, All night, To the morning lite/LOL.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[Sal Paradise]

Any story behind the end of that mix? THing gets bugged out running plates backwards and such with what seems like no rhyme or reason. Great mix, but towards the end I'm like WTF?

[YoRel]

Grandmaster Flowers Live Brooklyn Park Jam 1979

The guy on the mic is "Aaron the Baron"

Here is the link where I found it

It also explains the the tape trouble Sal.:wink:

http://theessentialelements.blogspot.com/2007/09/grandmaster-flowers-live-brooklyn-park.html

[DJ Poppysoul]

Like most pioneers Grandmaster Flowers (RIP), Pete DJ Jones, DJ Charisma (RIP), Tee Scott (RIP) and countless others were indeed the true Pioneers in this industry. They laid a lot the ground work for many others success stories. They should have a larger place in the historical record books to give them the respect that they truly deserve.

Not only could Flowers and Jones throw down on the turntable and rock a party, they had truly incredible sound systems and excelled at turning a plain space into something that resembled "The Garage." Massive speaker stacks with subs you could walk into, horns you see in arenas, tweeters, speakers and more tweeters and speakers would be spread all around the ballroom, the park, etc., all connected with what seemed like Con-Ed feeder cable to four and five way active amp racks. There was no full range and a sub thing going on. Parties back in the day were really more like a cultural religious concert of sorts. Grandmaster Flowers was the first guy I ever heard scratch or cut if you prefer. It was back @ The Stardust Ballroom. The record he used was Apache. Talk about being amazed. The moment is forever etched in my mind. I used to say to myself I want to be like these guys when I grow up. My subsequent thought was where in the world will I get the cash to buy all that equipment (now called gear) they had?

DJ Charisma another DJ legend who also hailed from Brooklyn would tear up the tables at "Tribeca" (North Moore Street) so hard my crew would be the last ones to leave every Thursday night which by then was Friday am. We were mostly non functional zombies the rest of the day as a result. In later years Charisma was on 98.7 Kiss FM in the mix.

Tee Scott would remix a record live using crossovers and delays @ Zanzibar to the point that it was a near mind blowing experience. For him you can go back in time by listening to various mixes, remixes, and reedits etc. that he worked on. He partnered with Began Cekic to produce some amazing remixes of songs that we all know on various independent record labels that Mr.Cekic owned. A lot of Tees' and Begans' works can still hold court on a dance floor today.

With the advent of modern technology I can only imagine what these brothers could do if they were still around today. All I can say now is that I should have had a camera in my pocket and a reel to reel running connected to the radio.

[The Buddy Love Show]

GrandMaster Flowers, Larry Levan and FK interacting

Cats need to think on that

That post just blew my mind

[TAC]

DJ Charisma another DJ legend who also hailed from Brooklyn would tear up the tables at "Tribeca" (North Moore Street) so hard my crew would be the last ones to leave every Thursday night which by then was Friday am. We were mostly non functional zombies the rest of the day as a result. In later years Charisma was on 98.7 Kiss FM in the mix.


Yea, Charisma is the original. My man would tell me about Tribeca's, and how Charisma would walking into a venue and just raise sh*t to another level. I did hear him on Kiss in the mix, between 91-92 or 93, or so.

Peace
TAC

[roctakon]

Flowers is imortalized in fiction in Jonathan Lethem's The "Fortress of Solitude" in a chapter about the main characters attending a jam in brooklyn... It was definatly an authentic account and you could tell the author (a brooklyn native) was drawing on a personal experience...

I have a few of Flowers records that i picked up at a-1, I'll post a pic when i can, he has a fresh little "tag" he used its a "GM and a little drawing of a flower" I think, i'll have to double check when i get home.... But its cool to think when I play "say a prayer for two" people 25 years ago partied to the same break off the same exact record...

Respect to flowers...

[DaBownca]

Flowers along with Maboya were direct inspirations for me as I watched them do their thing in PS 92 park as well as Prospect park in 1972. It was already in my head that certain songs should follow others in a certain way and damn if they didn't show me it could be done in a BIG way! Wow on to points
FK you went there with Willie Wall/Ozkar Fuller and Panorama woooow
Baritomne on the Microphone! I used to use that too (as did hundreds was Aaron the originator of that line?) Wooooow

[BrazenMuse]

Larry Levan just poppin' in un-announced with an
acetate of "Heartbeat" ("Throw it on Frenchman, just throw it on now!!!"...I did)


FK

"Throw it on Frenchman, just throw it on now!!!" :rofl5:

[The Compiler]

FK's post about Flowers, Himself and Levan reminds me of the facts as they WERE. People in music used to interact ALL OF THE TIME. Re-written history makes it seem like, THIS guy was HERE and THAT guy was THERE. Truth is they were all passing each other at the same clubs, the same record stores, sharing the same love of MUSIC. Good to be reminded that all of this did not take place in a sectioned off vacuum.

Angie Stone (Angie B.) was in Sequence. After Sequence she was in Vertical Hold. She is NOT the same person as B Angie B (Angela Boyd). She does however have a deep rooted musical history and is one of the PIONEERS of Hip-Hop, House AND Neo-Soul.

Not too many people can say THAT.

[Mike Barnes]

Dabownca, Hollywood was the first cat, That i remember hearing, Rock the rhymes,'Baritone of the microphone', My man/LOL, Hollywood would rock that rhyme alittle something like this: I'm the baritone of the microphone, The Clark Gable of the turntable, There's no man, Ready,Willing an able, To rock

On the mic and the turntable', If your name is Greg, Come on a shake a leg, If your Name is Paul, Get up off the wall, If your name is Keith, You don't need a seat, From the shores of California, To the depths of hell, It's Hollywood, Baydoll, And, I'm rockin yah well, I'm the king of the womens world, They tell me from town to town, And, When i find my deserving Queen,

Well, I'm gonna share my crown, But, Unitil, I meet my match, I think, I'm gonna have some fun, I'm gonna keep on busin, Out that thing, And, Stayin number 1, Dabownca, Hollywood was rockin rhymes like these, Back in 1974 at Moringside Park(123rdst And Moringside Drive, Uptown/Harlem), On occasions, After the basketball games(People's Park Tournament at Moringside Park), Was over for the day my man/LOL, Dabownca, Every MC

(Potential MC's), Cats carrying records, Who wanted to be an MC, Cats telling cats to stay behind the ropes, While a cat was mixing(Security cats/LOL),(Stickup kids who wanted to be MC's),Etc, Bit mad,Mad, Rhymes, From Hollywood, Going back to 1971, When Hollywood was rockin throwdowns uptown/Harlem at Smalls Paradise(135thst and 7thave), Compiler, Your most

Definitely right in regards to your comments, About, Re-written history, Soups shit up about certain Dance music cats, Not interacting with other Dance music cats(Shit, I don't want to even build about Dance music cats(Dj's, Interacting with Hiphop Cats(Dj's), During the 70's my man, Compiler, That's why i love to see cats that were actually on the Dj circuit in New York, During the 70's, Like Francios and David Mancuso, Build about the

Once, Very strong connection between the Dance music scene and hiphop scene, Along with the Dance music Dj's, Who rocked throwdowns in the parks and Beaches in New York, During the 70's, Complier, Cats like Red Alert,Marly Marl,Ralph McDaniel's(Who was on the Dance music circuit in Queens, DuringThe late 70's to mid 80's), Afrika Islam(Who mentioned in an interview on the Zulu Nation site, That, Larry Levan was his second biggest inspiration,

To become a dj(The first cat to inspirre Afrika Islam to become a Dj was Afrika Bambatta), Etc, Compiler, All of those cats that i mentioned earlier(Red Alert,Marly Marl,Ralph McDaniels,LA Sunshine(Treacherous 3),Kool Moe Dee,Kool Kyle,Kurtis Blow,Eddie Chebba Easy Lee(Treacherous 3),Etc, All used to hang on the Dance music scene too, going back to the 70's/LOL)Also, I remember a few years ago, Someone, Putting up a flyer on the board, Of a throwdown that Mike Stone was having in the Bronx(A spot on The Grand

Concourse by Yankee Stadium), Which featured:Afrika Islam And Timmy Regisford/LOL), Compiler, Alot of cats were not traveling like that claim when it comes to solid information my man(WORD/LOL), Because, If cats were truely hanging out mad hard in the 70's, Cats will, Most definitely know about the very strong connections between The Dance music Dj'sHiphop Dj's and Dance music dj's, Who rocked in the parks, In New York during the 70's my man(WORD/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[BrazenMuse]

Dabownca, Hollywood was the first cat, That i remember hearing, Rock the rhymes,'Baritone of the microphone', My man/LOL, Hollywood would rock that rhyme alittle something like this: I'm the baritone of the microphone, The Clark Gable of the turntable, There's no man, Ready,Willing an able, To rock

On the mic and the turntable', If your name is Greg, Come on a shake a leg, If your Name is Paul, Get up off the wall, If your name is Keith, You don't need a seat, From the shores of California, To the depths of hell, It's Hollywood, Baydoll, And, I'm rockin yah well, I'm the king of the womens world, They tell me from town to town, And, When i find my deserving Queen,

Well, I'm gonna share my crown, But, Unitil, I meet my match, I think, I'm gonna have some fun, I'm gonna keep on busin, Out that thing, And, Stayin number 1, Dabownca, Hollywood was rockin rhymes like these, Back in 1974 at Moringside Park(123rdst And Moringside Drive, Uptown/Harlem), On occasions, After the basketball games(People's Park Tournament at Moringside Park), Was over for the day my man/LOL, Dabownca, Every MC

(Potential MC's), Cats carrying records, Who wanted to be an MC, Cats telling cats to stay behind the ropes, While a cat was mixing(Security cats/LOL),(Stickup kids who wanted to be MC's),Etc, Bit mad,Mad, Rhymes, From Hollywood, Going back to 1971, When Hollywood was rockin throwdowns uptown/Harlem at Smalls Paradise(135thst and 7thave), Compiler, Your most

Definitely right in regards to your comments, About, Re-written history, Soups shit up about certain Dance music cats, Not interacting with other Dance music cats(Shit, I don't want to even build about Dance music cats(Dj's, Interacting with Hiphop Cats(Dj's), During the 70's my man, Compiler, That's why i love to see cats that were actually on the Dj circuit in New York, During the 70's, Like Francios and David Mancuso, Build about the

Once, Very strong connection between the Dance music scene and hiphop scene, Along with the Dance music Dj's, Who rocked throwdowns in the parks and Beaches in New York, During the 70's, Complier, Cats like Red Alert,Marly Marl,Ralph McDaniel's(Who was on the Dance music circuit in Queens, DuringThe late 70's to mid 80's), Afrika Islam(Who mentioned in an interview on the Zulu Nation site, That, Larry Levan was his second biggest inspiration,

To become a dj(The first cat to inspirre Afrika Islam to become a Dj was Afrika Bambatta), Etc, Compiler, All of those cats that i mentioned earlier(Red Alert,Marly Marl,Ralph McDaniels,LA Sunshine(Treacherous 3),Kool Moe Dee,Kool Kyle,Kurtis Blow,Eddie Chebba Easy Lee(Treacherous 3),Etc, All used to hang on the Dance music scene too, going back to the 70's/LOL)Also, I remember a few years ago, Someone, Putting up a flyer on the board, Of a throwdown that Mike Stone was having in the Bronx(A spot on The Grand

Concourse by Yankee Stadium), Which featured:Afrika Islam And Timmy Regisford/LOL), Compiler, Alot of cats were not traveling like that claim when it comes to solid information my man(WORD/LOL), Because, If cats were truely hanging out mad hard in the 70's, Cats will, Most definitely know about the very strong connections between The Dance music Dj'sHiphop Dj's and Dance music dj's, Who rocked in the parks, In New York during the 70's my man(WORD/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

Respect, Mike! You know I love how you drop science on here! We danced to music. We didn't spend so much time caught up in categories...either that or I'm rewriting my own history. I remember hearing "Same as it Ever Was" slowed down and used long before Flyte used it...

I just wanted to say: it's good to see that connection made clear!!! Thank you Mike!

[DaBownca]

Dabownca, Hollywood was the first cat, That i remember hearing, Rock the rhymes,'Baritone of the microphone', My man/LOL, Hollywood would rock that rhyme alittle something like this: I'm the baritone of the microphone, The Clark Gable of the turntable, There's no man, Ready,Willing an able, To rock

On the mic and the turntable', If your name is Greg, Come on a shake a leg, If your Name is Paul, Get up off the wall, If your name is Keith, You don't need a seat, From the shores of California, To the depths of hell, It's Hollywood, Baydoll, And, I'm rockin yah well, I'm the king of the womens world, They tell me from town to town, And, When i find my deserving Queen,

Well, I'm gonna share my crown, But, Unitil, I meet my match, I think, I'm gonna have some fun, I'm gonna keep on busin, Out that thing, And, Stayin number 1, Dabownca, Hollywood was rockin rhymes like these, Back in 1974 at Moringside Park(123rdst And Moringside Drive, Uptown/Harlem), On occasions, After the basketball games(People's Park Tournament at Moringside Park), Was over for the day my man/LOL, Dabownca, Every MC

(Potential MC's), Cats carrying records, Who wanted to be an MC, Cats telling cats to stay behind the ropes, While a cat was mixing(Security cats/LOL),(Stickup kids who wanted to be MC's),Etc, Bit mad,Mad, Rhymes, From Hollywood, Going back to 1971, When Hollywood was rockin throwdowns uptown/Harlem at Smalls Paradise(135thst and 7thave), Compiler, Your most

Definitely right in regards to your comments, About, Re-written history, Soups shit up about certain Dance music cats, Not interacting with other Dance music cats(Shit, I don't want to even build about Dance music cats(Dj's, Interacting with Hiphop Cats(Dj's), During the 70's my man, Compiler, That's why i love to see cats that were actually on the Dj circuit in New York, During the 70's, Like Francios and David Mancuso, Build about the

Once, Very strong connection between the Dance music scene and hiphop scene, Along with the Dance music Dj's, Who rocked throwdowns in the parks and Beaches in New York, During the 70's, Complier, Cats like Red Alert,Marly Marl,Ralph McDaniel's(Who was on the Dance music circuit in Queens, DuringThe late 70's to mid 80's), Afrika Islam(Who mentioned in an interview on the Zulu Nation site, That, Larry Levan was his second biggest inspiration,

To become a dj(The first cat to inspirre Afrika Islam to become a Dj was Afrika Bambatta), Etc, Compiler, All of those cats that i mentioned earlier(Red Alert,Marly Marl,Ralph McDaniels,LA Sunshine(Treacherous 3),Kool Moe Dee,Kool Kyle,Kurtis Blow,Eddie Chebba Easy Lee(Treacherous 3),Etc, All used to hang on the Dance music scene too, going back to the 70's/LOL)Also, I remember a few years ago, Someone, Putting up a flyer on the board, Of a throwdown that Mike Stone was having in the Bronx(A spot on The Grand

Concourse by Yankee Stadium), Which featured:Afrika Islam And Timmy Regisford/LOL), Compiler, Alot of cats were not traveling like that claim when it comes to solid information my man(WORD/LOL), Because, If cats were truely hanging out mad hard in the 70's, Cats will, Most definitely know about the very strong connections between The Dance music Dj'sHiphop Dj's and Dance music dj's, Who rocked in the parks, In New York during the 70's my man(WORD/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes
Oh you want to battle?
In the year of 1960 the heavens up above
Sent down to the planet earth a gift of their love
Too smooth to be a diamond but he was as cool as Ice
You know his touch alone sends ladies straight to paradise
It was me Champagne I broke the seal and now I'm making bodies reel
I'm a 1500 horsepower
Lover thats ready every hour
Driving out a deep deep line of Bass
LETS ROCK THIS PLACE!
mcs were sooo narcissistic!
(Passes the Mike to Mike)
Anyone else getting in the cipher?

[BrazenMuse]

Oh you want to battle?
In the year of 1960 the heavens up above
Sent down to the planet earth a gift of their love
Too smooth to be a diamond but he was as cool as Ice
You know his touch alone sends ladies straight to paradise
It was me Champagne I broke the seal and now I'm making bodies reel
I'm a 1500 horsepower
Lover thats ready every hour
Driving out a deep deep line of Bass
LETS ROCK THIS PLACE!
mcs were sooo narcissistic!
(Passes the Mike to Mike)
Anyone else getting in the cipher?

I'm da Queen Buddha Bless
wit' da mos' finesse
here ta drop rhymes at yo' request...

:mwink:

[DaBownca]

I'm da Queen Buddha Bless
wit' da mos' finesse
here ta drop rhymes at yo' request...

:mwink:
:hail:

[Sal Paradise]

This thread just keeps on giving.

[BrazenMuse]

:hail:
:rofl:

I'm gonna just leave that alone...i don't know where the heck my book of rhymes went to...it's old and falling apart...

[djmarbll]

I remember reading "Yes, Yes Y'all: An Oral History of Hip-hop's First Dacade (1974-1984)" and Flowers wasn't mentioned as much as guys like Flash, Pete Jones, Herc, or Bambaata, which is a shame since his influence is greater than it would seem.

[DaBownca]

I remember reading "Yes, Yes Y'all: An Oral History of Hip-hop's First Dacade (1974-1984)" and Flowers wasn't mentioned as much as guys like Flash, Pete Jones, Herc, or Bambaata, which is a shame since his influence is greater than it would seem.
Flowers style went beyond just hip hop he played everything ...if you listen to link he plays Shame by Evelyn King

[DaBownca]

Wassup all you DHP hip hop headz no one else wanna battle?

[Mike Barnes]

BrazenMuse, Good lookin with the very kind words('I appreciate it',/Alicia Meyers), BrazenMuse, Your most definitely right, In regards to your comments about, Back in the 70's, We Just danced to music, Opposed to being concerned with catagories(WORD), Brazenmuse, The thing that sometimes upsets me, In regards to cats building about the Hiphop and

Dance music scenes in the 70's,80's, Is, Certain cats(No Names here, I don't want to toss cats in the light like that/LOL), Love to soup themselves up(Along with a cats crew/LOL), Too, The point, Where, Alot of individuals, Who played a very important role in regards to the Dance music movement(Which was before the Hiphop movement in the community, Back in the Bronx, With, Kool Herc in 1974 at Cidar Park), Do not get the respect and

Notoriety, For their impact and contributions to the development of the Hiphop movement(Because, Of cats ego's, And, Alot of cats were to young to see cats like Grandmaster Flowers,Pete Dj Jones,Maboya,The Smith Brothers,Dj Plummer,QJ from Brooklyn,Etc, Rock throwdowns in the parks in New York(Along with Rockin Throwdowns at Riis Beach and Rockaway Beach in Queens, Going back to the mid 60's(QJ From Brooklyn, Pete Dj Jones(1967),

Then, Grandmaster Flowers in 1969, Brazenmuse, So, When cats write books on the hiphop and Dance music scenes, Cats(The author's of the books), Will get information from other cats who were on the Dance music and hiphop Dj Circuit, But, Maybe, Those cats did not get the attention that they felt they should have, Back in the 70's,80', So, Now's the chance for cats to soup

Themselves up mad hard, But, Leave certain cats out of the history books of the Dance music and Hiphop scenes of the 70's, If the author's of the books that are writing about the Dance music and hiphop scenes, Never been to a live throwdown in the parks and spots, Back in the 70's, The author of the book, Has to do mad research on the information that he or she was giving(Opposed to building about the author of the books, Own experiences to

Include in the book too/LOL), And, Now, It's to the point, Where, A cat who was on the Dj Circuit in New York, Back in the 70's,80's, Can build about the Dj Circuit(Dance music and Hiphop from the 70's in New York), And, Completely, Soup shit up, About who was making it happen on the Dj Circuit in New York, During the 70's/LOL, Also, Ego plays a very big part, In regards

To cats purposely, Leaving out those cats, Who mad a very big impact and contributed so much to the development of both the Dance music and hiphop scenes, Through their committment to rockin a spot or park, Allover New York, Going back to the mid 60's(WORD), Brazenmuse,Dj Marbil, Grandmaster Caz, Has a name that he created, Especially for cats that soup shit up, In

Regards to The history of Hiphop, And, Caz calls anyone who soups shit up, 'Lioneers',/LOL, Well, From what i've seen through the decades, There are more than a few lioneer's, Coming off mad hard, Via, Book sales, On the history of hiphop/LOL, Also, On the low, I've always felt that ego was the main reason, Why, The Dance music scene, And, Hiphop scene, Parted ways in the late 80's(WORD).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[BrazenMuse]

BrazenMuse, Good lookin with the very kind words('I appreciate it',/Alicia Meyers), BrazenMuse, Your most definitely right, In regards to your comments about, Back in the 70's, We Just danced to music, Opposed to being concerned with catagories(WORD), Brazenmuse, The thing that sometimes upsets me, In regards to cats building about the Hiphop and

Dance music scenes in the 70's,80's, Is, Certain cats(No Names here, I don't want to toss cats in the light like that/LOL), Love to soup themselves up(Along with a cats crew/LOL), Too, The point, Where, Alot of individuals, Who played a very important role in regards to the Dance music movement(Which was before the Hiphop movement in the community, Back in the Bronx, With, Kool Herc in 1974 at Cidar Park), Do not get the respect and

Notoriety, For their impact and contributions to the development of the Hiphop movement(Because, Of cats ego's, And, Alot of cats were to young to see cats like Grandmaster Flowers,Pete Dj Jones,Maboya,The Smith Brothers,Dj Plummer,QJ from Brooklyn,Etc, Rock throwdowns in the parks in New York(Along with Rockin Throwdowns at Riis Beach and Rockaway Beach in Queens, Going back to the mid 60's(QJ From Brooklyn, Pete Dj Jones(1967),

Then, Grandmaster Flowers in 1969, Brazenmuse, So, When cats write books on the hiphop and Dance music scenes, Cats(The author's of the books), Will get information from other cats who were on the Dance music and hiphop Dj Circuit, But, Maybe, Those cats did not get the attention that they felt they should have, Back in the 70's,80', So, Now's the chance for cats to soup

Themselves up mad hard, But, Leave certain cats out of the history books of the Dance music and Hiphop scenes of the 70's, If the author's of the books that are writing about the Dance music and hiphop scenes, Never been to a live throwdown in the parks and spots, Back in the 70's, The author of the book, Has to do mad research on the information that he or she was giving(Opposed to building about the author of the books, Own experiences to

Include in the book too/LOL), And, Now, It's to the point, Where, A cat who was on the Dj Circuit in New York, Back in the 70's,80's, Can build about the Dj Circuit(Dance music and Hiphop from the 70's in New York), And, Completely, Soup shit up, About who was making it happen on the Dj Circuit in New York, During the 70's/LOL, Also, Ego plays a very big part, In regards

To cats purposely, Leaving out those cats, Who mad a very big impact and contributed so much to the development of both the Dance music and hiphop scenes, Through their committment to rockin a spot or park, Allover New York, Going back to the mid 60's(WORD), Brazenmuse,Dj Marbil, Grandmaster Caz, Has a name that he created, Especially for cats that soup shit up, In

Regards to The history of Hiphop, And, Caz calls anyone who soups shit up, 'Lioneers',/LOL, Well, From what i've seen through the decades, There are more than a few lioneer's, Coming off mad hard, Via, Book sales, On the history of hiphop/LOL, Also, On the low, I've always felt that ego was the main reason, Why, The Dance music scene, And, Hiphop scene, Parted ways in the late 80's(WORD).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

ahh...alicia myers! Peace unto you Mike, as always.

Caz is probably my favorite case of this and it was gorgeous to see him on stage with Mike and Guy in the past 2 years. The crowds went wild. There is still a bunch of lyin' out there especially on the tip of a certain record label that I don't even think I need to name for cats to recognize...and there are grown men out there scrappin' and tryin' to get paid nearly 40 yrs later because of how they got robbed...
There were lies perpetrated in sooo many ways, shady labels claiming writership is only one of them. Caz is rebuilding and building anew and that's a powerful slap against the Lioneers...
I wonder, Mike, if sometimes cats are just repeatin' what they heard because they weren't really there - everybody has their version of the story, no? Aside from those who were there, who would know? Someone needs to send out teams to talk to these cats before they are gone...


Respect and love fo'ya, Mike. Respect and love.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Wassup all you DHP hip hop headz no one else wanna battle?

My name is Kunta Kinte
They put me on a ship
They said my name was Toby
but I dont give a shit
My daughters name is Kizzie
and Kizzie means stay put
But when I tried to run away they cut my FUCKING FOOT!!!!

Now a days I loaf around
smoking chronic w a grin
Cuz when massa's outta town
I bones his white WIM - MIN

like WHOA!


passes the mic

[Bill Blake]

My name is Kunta Kinte
They put me on a ship
They said my name was Toby
but I dont give a shit
My daughters name is Kizzie
and Kizzie means stay put
But when I tried to run away they cut my FUCKING FOOT!!!!

Now a days I loaf around
smoking chronic w a grin
Cuz when massa's outta town
I bones his white WIM - MIN

like WHOA!


passes the mic

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[BrazenMuse]

My name is Kunta Kinte
They put me on a ship
They said my name was Toby
but I dont give a shit
My daughters name is Kizzie
and Kizzie means stay put
But when I tried to run away they cut my FUCKING FOOT!!!!

Now a days I loaf around
smoking chronic w a grin
Cuz when massa's outta town
I bones his white WIM - MIN

like WHOA!


passes the mic

shaking head slowly...laughing anyway...Mark, mark, mark...

[Mike Barnes]

Brazenmuse, Good lookin with the very kind words(Much respect to you and yours), Brazenmuse, I feel cats soup shit up, In regards to what cats have heard(3rd and 4th hand information, From cats who never received the notoriety that they felt they should have), Opposed to cats, Actually, Being there themselves, Brazenmuse, Alot of cats who are interviewed for

Magazines,books,Articles, Even the internet, Etc, Were to young to build about certain cats in regards to The Dance music scene,The Hiphop scene,The stickup kid scene,Cats movin weight scene,Etc, Going back to the 70's,(Shit, I was on the scene in the 70's mad hard, But, I still learn alot everyday too/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[BrazenMuse]

Brazenmuse, Good lookin with the very kind words(Much respect to you and yours), Brazenmuse, I feel cats soup shit up, In regards to what cats have heard(3rd and 4th hand information, From cats who never received the notoriety that they felt they should have), Opposed to cats, Actually, Being there themselves, Brazenmuse, Alot of cats who are interviewed for

Magazines,books,Articles, Even the internet, Etc, Were to young to build about certain cats in regards to The Dance music scene,The Hiphop scene,The stickup kid scene,Cats movin weight scene,Etc, Going back to the 70's,(Shit, I was on the scene in the 70's mad hard, But, I still learn alot everyday too/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

agreed.
and if you ain't learnin', you ain't livin'!!

Peace.
Yvonne
The Brazen Muse

[YoRel]

Brazenmuse, Good lookin with the very kind words(Much respect to you and yours), Brazenmuse, I feel cats soup shit up, In regards to what cats have heard(3rd and 4th hand information, From cats who never received the notoriety that they felt they should have), Opposed to cats, Actually, Being there themselves, Brazenmuse, Alot of cats who are interviewed for

Magazines,books,Articles, Even the internet, Etc, Were to young to build about certain cats in regards to The Dance music scene,The Hiphop scene,The stickup kid scene,Cats movin weight scene,Etc, Going back to the 70's,(Shit, I was on the scene in the 70's mad hard, But, I still learn alot everyday too/LOL).
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

All I want to know is when your book is coming out. You got mad knowledge to school a lot of heads.:hail:

[BrazenMuse]

All I want to know is when your book is coming out. You got mad knowledge to school a lot of heads.:hail:

yeah Mike...I want to know the same thing!! Book. Video. Something!

[Mike Barnes]

Yorel,BrazenMuse, Good lookin with the very kind words(And, Respect to you and yours as well), But, I'm not down with writing books,Video's,Interviews,Etc, Though, I'm mad humbled by your words, I just love to play the background with mines(Being mad humble to the ninth power/LOL), And, build with cats/young ladies on the DHP board, Opposed to writing a book on Hiphop,Dance Music,basketball,Stickup Kids,Cats movin

Weight,The Mafia,Illegal Law Enforcement(NYPD,FBI,CIA,DEA,Treasury Agents),Etc, Yorel,Braazenmuse, I've seen more than a few cats, Come out with material, Via the Publication circuit, In regards to different topic's, That i Do question mad hard though, When it comes to solid information(WORD/LOL), And, I just feel that i would not want to put myself in a position Where, I'm benefitting off of cats/young ladies, In regards to book sales/LOL,

I just love to build and give the information from my experiences, To cats/young ladies for free, Via, This site, Oldschoolhiphop.com, Site,Etc, Yorel,Brazenmuse, Initially, When i started posting threads on the internet in 1998, I just wanted to build with cats/young ladies, On the Dance music and hiphop scenes in the 70's/80's, Along with, Maybe, Getting a few cats(Dj's),

Who were on the Dj circuit and MC circuit in New York, During the 70's, To build too(To much nonsense goes on this board, For alot of Legendary cats to come on and build with us on a regular basis/LOL), But, I'm very happy to see that cats who mad a very big impact and contributed to the Dance music scene(Along with the Dance music Dj Circuit in New York in the 70's), Still make the time to build with us, In regards to information(Which is very

important), Yorel,Brazenmuse, The true cats on the DHP board, Who deserve the respect, When it comes to knowledge, Of the New York Dance music scene in the 70's,80's, Are, David Mancuso,Francios,Rene Hewitt(Who posts on occassions),Hippie Torrales,Nicky Siano(I haven't seen Nicky Siano Post in awhile),Plummer(Who was building with us on the DHP board in the summer of 2006 for a few),Dave Brockington/Rip,Etc, I have the utmost of respect for all of those cats to the ninth power(Along with Boyd Jarvis), Yorel,

Brazenmuse, So, I feel i'm not qualified to write a book on the Dance music or Hiphop movement, In the 70's, Because, I was not on the Dance music scene in the late 60's/Early 70's, In New York(Along with myself, Not being on the Dj Circuit in the late 60's/Early 70's, Too, Because, Of age, And, I was never a Dj/LOL), Yorel,Brazenmuse, I strongly feel, That for anyone to write a

Book,Movie Documentary,Etc, A cat had to had been on the scene from the start, That way, The person in charge of the project, Can include information
to the audience, From his or her personal experiences too(Along with the information from other cats who were on the Dance music circuit too/LOL,

Yorel,Brazenmuse, I started hanging on the hiphop scene in the summer of 1974 at Moringside park(Hollywood was the first cat that i've ever seen rock the mic in 1974), In 1976, Pete Dj Jones was the first cat that i've ever seen mix in a spot(At Pipin's on 39thst, between Madison ave and 5thave), Yorel,Brazenmuse, I was more into the hiphop movement(Park Throwdowns,

Than, The Dance music movement, From 1974 to around 1976 or so, Around 1976, I started listening to Tee Scott,Dave Brockington(Who i was not up on at the time/LOL),Ted Currier,Jonathan Fearing,Larry Levan,David Todd,Preston Powell, Then, Reggie Wells, In 1979), Mix on BLS back then(Listening to all of those cats on BLS, Made me change my way of hearing

How a cat can rock a spot, Via, Mixing/Blending,Timing,Etc, Without an MC rhyming over the plates(LOL), Too the point, Where i started to hang at spots like Better days,The Gallary,Pipin's,The Collibron(The Second Floor/LOL),96 West,Tribeca's,Laff's(Which was located on 54thst beween 2nd ave and 3rd ave, Back in the mid to late 70's), Along with hanging at hiphop throwdowns too(LOL), But, After hearing Tee Scott mix in 1978, At Better Days, I just progessed musically to the ninth power with mines(WORD/LOL),

Yorel,Brazenmuse, I'm just very grateful to have experienced so many cats(Dj's), Who truely knew(And still know how too/LOL), Rock a spot, Allnight to the morning lite(Too many cats to name through the decades/LOL), But, Grandmaster Flowers, Was one of the best cats that i've ever heard rock a spot(Along with Tee Scott,Reggie Wells,Timmy

Regisford,Francios,Maboya,Pete Dj Jones,Hippie Torrales,Donald Stone/Rip(Philadelphia cat, Who used to mix a spot called, The Catacombs in Phildadelphia, During the late 70's to mid 80's, Along with David Todd),Larry Patterson,Tony Humphries,Derek Davidson(Who used to mix at a spot in New York called Melons, During the late 70's to early 80's),Howard Merritt(Who used to mix at a spot called',The Cockring', On Christopher St. In the village, During the late 70's to early 80's),Etc.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[BrazenMuse]

Yorel,Braazenmuse, I've seen more than a few cats, Come out with material, Via the Publication circuit, In regards to different topic's, That i Do question mad hard though, When it comes to solid information(WORD/LOL), And, I just feel that i would not want to put myself in a position Where, I'm benefitting off of cats/young ladies, In regards to book sales/LOL,

I just love to build and give the information from my experiences, To cats/young ladies for free, Via, This site, Oldschoolhiphop.com, Site,Etc, Yorel,Brazenmuse, Initially, When i started posting threads on the internet in 1998, I just wanted to build with cats/young ladies, On the Dance music and hiphop scenes in the 70's/80's, Along with, Maybe, Getting a few cats(Dj's),

Who were on the Dj circuit and MC circuit in New York, During the 70's, To build too(To much nonsense goes on this board, For alot of Legendary cats to come on and build with us on a regular basis/LOL), But, I'm very happy to see that cats who mad a very big impact and contributed to the Dance music scene(Along with the Dance music Dj Circuit in New York in the 70's), Still make the time to build with us, In regards to information(Which is very

important),

I hear you, Mike, and respect both your decisions & your reasoning. I would suggest that if you ever re-think it, then the proceeds should be donated to music programming in schools for kids...they lose out soooo much when that funding is cut!! And we know what music has done and still does for us, yes? There is good that your knowledge could do out there...

Reading your post has increased my respect for you, instead of comin' in all combat-style to TELL folks how things "really" were, you are always humble and I respect that...

Some day, maybe we should sit and have some tea, or coffee...whichever. I just hope I'll get to meet you ...

Peace
Yvonne

[YoRel]

Knowledge is King, respect to your Kingdom Mike Barnes.:hail:

[Tee Cee 13]

When I used to go to Downstairs Record Shop To buy my Records. Over on 42nd street subway station and 6th Ave. That was the spot to get the Imports. Me and Grandmaster Flowers used to hold these long conversations about the music that was being recorded back then. He would turn me on to alot of the really good stuff from back then.... I spend a lot of MONEY $$ with Flowers Back in Da days.


Hey Mike Big Ups to you on this Thread...........Tee Cee 13

[DaBownca]

My name is Kunta Kinte
They put me on a ship
They said my name was Toby
but I dont give a shit
My daughters name is Kizzie
and Kizzie means stay put
But when I tried to run away they cut my FUCKING FOOT!!!!

Now a days I loaf around
smoking chronic w a grin
Cuz when massa's outta town
I bones his white WIM - MIN

like WHOA!


passes the mic
Baaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

[Tee Cee 13]

So, I feel i'm not qualified to write a book on the Dance music or Hiphop movement, In the 70's, Because, I was not on the Dance music scene in the late 60's/Early 70's, In New York(Along with myself, Not being on the Dj Circuit in the late 60's/Early 70's, Too, Because, Of age, And, I was never a Dj/LOL), Yorel,Brazenmuse, I strongly feel, That for anyone to write a

Book, Much Respect
Mike Barnes





Greetings Mike Barnes

I have to disagree with you on this note, because I forget the Authors name at this time, but the one who wrote the book "Love Saves The Day" He was not around for that Book. He wrote it on information that he gathered. So that goes to show you that Anyone could write an accurate account of any Story.........Tee Cee 13

[Mike Barnes]

BrazenMuse, One day, We will get together and build for a few, YoRel,Tee Cee13,BrazenMuse, Good lookin with the very kind words(I'm very humbled by your words to the ninth power), Tee Cee13, Tim Lawrence, Is the Author of,'Love saves the day', My man, Tee Cee13, I just don't have the time to attempt to work on writing a book on anything my man(Except, Maybe writing

A book on the mafia/LOL), Tee Cee13, For myself to even attempt to start a project in regards to writing a book on The Hiphop and Dance music scenes in The 70's,80's, Well, I strongly feel that i would have to cover so much history before i started hangin on the Dance music and hiphop scenes in 1974,

Where, It would be to time consuming for myself to do so(I don't rest in New York anymore/LOL), Also, I always felt, That, The best and most solid information, Comes from those, Who have experienced or at least, Been exposed to the topic that your writing about(No disrespect to Tim Lawrence in anyway, Because, I heard so many very good things about, 'Love saves the day', But, From my personal reasons for attempting to write a book on

Hiphop, That's the way i feel, I would have to approach it), Also, I was Never a Dj, So, There was so much information that i was never exposed to, Revolving around the Dj Circuit in New York, During the 70's,80's, I'm just a cat from Queens, Who used to get loose at the park throwdowns and spots around New York, During the 70's/80's,LOL, I would like to build about one

More thing, And, That is the impact that the basketball circuit in New York had during the 70's,80's, In regards to contributing to the Dance music scene and Hiphop scene during the 70's,80's, It was basketball that connected me to the hiphop scene in the summer of 1974 at Moringside Park,

Uptown/Harlem, Featuring Hollywood(Word), It was basketball, That brought me to Riis Beach to get loose to GrandMaster Flowers,Maboya,The Smith Brothers in the summer of 1975(I heard Plummer mix for the first time at a throwdown at Hunter College on 68thst and Lexington ave, In 1975), It was

Basketball that brought myself to Pippin's, In Manhattan, To hear Pete Dj Jones mix in 1976(Pete Jones was doing a guest spot on a Sunday nite throwdown at Pipins, For a cat from around my way, In Jamaica,Queens, Who played at The IS8 Pro Basketball Tournament in Jamaica,Queens, Back in the mid to late 70's), BrazenMuse,Tee Cee13,Yorel, The Basketball circuit in New

York was mad,Mad, Thick, With, Cats, Who used to get the bone out their backs, To the sounds of Tee Scott, Larry Levan,Grandmaster Flowers,The Smith Brothers,Flash,Jazzy J(Zulu Nation),Kool Herc,Disco King

Mario,Maboya,Nicky Siano,David Todd,Rene Hewitt,Rich Richardson(Pipin's),The Disco Twins,King Charles,Infinity Machine,Etc, On a regular basis, During the 70's,80's, to the ninth power/LOL.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[beemoe44]

Damned good post, Mike! That`s interesting what Palatine hinted at about Flowers, Levan and FK interacting.

[beemoe44]

Speaking of Tim Lawrence he used to be on this board about two years ago. It would be interesting to watch some of the above mentioned pioneers interact on this board......Mancuso, FK, Leonard Remix etc.

[robdoe]

Oh you want to battle?
In the year of 1960 the heavens up above
Sent down to the planet earth a gift of their love
Too smooth to be a diamond but he was as cool as Ice
You know his touch alone sends ladies straight to paradise
It was me Champagne I broke the seal and now I'm making bodies reel
I'm a 1500 horsepower
Lover thats ready every hour
Driving out a deep deep line of Bass
LETS ROCK THIS PLACE!
mcs were sooo narcissistic!
(Passes the Mike to Mike)
Anyone else getting in the cipher?


Here's a verse I wrote in 81...

I'm Robby T
and I'm from the V
I can rock from the Bottom to the T.O.P
See the other MCs
tryna rock it like me
come on u sucka n!gg@s get off my dingaling
like that yall
it's like a this anna that
see my name is Robby T
and i could never be the wack
Big Deeeeeeee
your my mellow, my man
homeboy get on the mic and do the best you can!!!!

[DaBownca]

Here's a verse I wrote in 81...

I'm Robby T
and I'm from the V
I can rock from the Bottom to the T.O.P
See the other MCs
tryna rock it like me
come on u sucka n!gg@s get off my dingaling
like that yall
it's like a this anna that
see my name is Robby T
and i could never be the wack
Big Deeeeeeee
your my mellow, my man
homeboy get on the mic and do the best you can!!!!
Sunnnnn you were using nigga in the 80's? DISAVOWED!

[robdoe]

Sunnnnn you were using nigga in the 80's? DISAVOWED!

Why's that? Was that unheard of back then? Yes I used "sucka nigga" in that one rhyme out of many i wrote emulating older dudes that i heard in the streets back in the 80s. It was commonly used when talkn reckless on certain dudes something like callin someone a "duck". Come on, you know what it was in NY!!! Believe me at the age of 13 i didn't make up the term "sucka nigga". But at the time i heard it so much that when saying the term in that ONE rhyme (that didn't go no where other than my basement and junior highschool ciphers)I just didn't see the harm in it within my circles. Lighten up my dude... I guess it was really offensive to you when crews like CC4 and Fantastic 5 glorified sniffn blow, smoking cheba and calling women freaks and hoes in certain rhymes back in 81.

[The White Shadow]

My bad for cuttin' in on the battle :wink: ..but I gotta give my man Mike Barnes much respect once again, and in my opinion you got more than enough facts to write a book about Hiphop, and a lot of other things, but I'm happy you chose to build on messageboards instead cause it's so much better than any book...better than any book written on Hiphop so far, and better than writing it in a book form where you read the 400 and whatnot pages, then that's that. Like this it continues for as long as you want it to, and the readers can interact with the author, and the author is Mike Barnes...hands down! Also it's a good thing to hear these stories from someone not a DJ or MC themselves cause, and no disrepsect to anyone but, it's sometimes better to hear the stories not from artists and members of their crews if you wanna know the real truth, cause a lot of artists are gonna say different things depending on who they are cool with and not, and that can be seen sometimes in the interviews at Jayquan and Troy's site..you get the same story from different cats, and they are two or more different stories even if they are the same one...anyway...much respect, and thank you Mike for sharing with us. May you continue for a long time.

[Mike Barnes]

WhiteShadow, Good lookin with the vrey kind words my man(WhiteShadow,Much Respect to you and yours to my man), WhiteShadow, It's cats like yourself, Along with the many cats/young ladies on the DHP Board, Who give me the inspiration to reminsce, And, Build, In regards to the New York Dance music/Hiphop/Basketball,Criminal, Scene, Back in the

70's,80's, My man(WORD), WhiteShadow, I love to build about it all(Positive and Negative in the community), My man(WORD), Because, That's what made The community stronger mentality, In regards to, Making the right decisions,

In the streets(WORD), WhiteShadow, Hopefully, Through the power of the Internet, Along with the stature of this site(Much respect to G-Man to the ninth power with his), More legends will come on the board and build with us

Too(Much Respect to David Mancuso,Francios K,Boyd Jarvis,Hippie Torrales,Dj Plummer,Dave Brockington/Rip,Etc, And, The rest of the legends and pioneers from the 70's, Who have givin all of us, Valuable information, In regards to the Dance music scene, In New York, Back in the 70's/80's.
Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

Time to give this one new mileage. This thread will be one of the all-time classics.

Here are some of Flowers' records, managed to find a few that were for sale a while back.

The artwork was so distinctive and completely unique.

http://www.deephousepage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3089&stc=1&d=1298745131

these too...

http://www.deephousepage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3090&stc=1&d=1298746120

... and a few more.

http://www.deephousepage.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3091&stc=1&d=1298746564

[FK]

Francois, Good lookin in regards to the information on the plates that you still run these days, My man(Franicois, Would that plate by The Rimshots be, SuperDisco', My man/LOL), Francios, Now your going mad thick with classic's in regards to the plate, 'Disco-Fied', By

Rhythm Heritage, My man(I haven't heard, 'Disco-Fied', By Rhythm Heritage in decades, My man/LOL), Francios, I used to see Flowers at Downstairs records(The spot on 44thst between ave of the America's and 5thave in Manhattan), During the mid to late 70's(Along

With Yvonne Turner, Co-Producer with Tommy Musto of, 'Take some timeout', By Arnold Jarvis in 1987), Yvonne Turner was also working at Downstairs records during the mid to late 70's, But, I never stepped to Flowers before(Flowers was buying plates, So, I did not

Want to run up on him, My man/LOL), Francios, Was Flowers working at Downstairs records other location at the 42dndst, F-Train station, Downstairs by the Barber shop, During the early to late 80's, My man(Francios, I rarely went to that location after Downstairs records Moved, During the early 80's, My man), Francios, Didn't Flowers work at Rock and Soul

(36thst and 7thave in Manahttan), Too, During the 80's, My man(That's what i heard), Francios, Would those plates that you purchased from Flowers Personal collection, Have the labels of the plates colored out, My man/LOL, Francios, We both know Flowers created or was one of the very first cats to color out the labels on his plates(So cats would not

Bite his plates, During the 70's, My man/LOL), Francios, Flowers impact and contributions to the Dance music circuit in New York, During the late 60's,70's,80's, Will always have a very big impression on myself, Whenever i build about Flowers to cats who never heard of

Him or cats who heard of Flowers, But, Never had the opportunity to hear Flowers mix live during the late 60's,70's,80's, In New York, My man, Francios, The biggest complement that i've ever heard a cat give to Flowers, Took place at a BET awards show during the

Mmid 2000's, Denzel Washington(Who's from Mount Vernon,New York), Mentioned Flowers to the audience at the BET awards show(Denzel Washington asked the crowd at the BET award show, 'How many cats remember Grandmaster Flowers dj'ing at parties in the Bronx, During the 70's, 'If you we're not there, Then, You missed one of the best Dj's of all-

Time',(Which it was very gratifying to hear Denzel Washington mention Flowers to a crowd that knew nothing about him(Flowers), At the BET awards show, During the mid 2000's, My man.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

That's some great stories you have here Mike, never knew about this Denzel Washington BET Awards story.

Flowers was working at Downstairs for a while around the late part of 1976, and that's how I met him, in the 42nd Street store. Just couldn't stay away from him, he had such a magnetic personality and very friendly, and to someone like me who just wanted to learn I could keep asking him questions all day and he would just break out all of these jams that were truly insane, that's before there was even a term for 'B-boys' and 'breaks' but he knew so many of those 45's with the dope drum beats in them.

[FK]

Never even seen a clear photo online...

Here are the only things I could find on the Net:

Flowers and Kool Herc:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D3CXROamYq0/TM2TTRetaVI/AAAAAAAAADw/EzZM-Zv145A/s1600/3c.bmp

Obituary:

http://static.wix.com/media/032afd8ebbb6014a4a4dd5418f351f52.wix_mp_256

[Mike Barnes]

Francois, I heard Pete Dj Jones, Plummer, King Charles(Queens Dj legend from 1968 to the Early 80's), Mix live at throwdowns in the parks and Spots in 1975, But, When i heard Flowers at Riis Beach, During the summer of 1975, Flower's style was completely different in regards to rockin a spot(Flowers ran alot more styles of music in regards to R/B, Jazz,

Reggae, Rock, Gospel, Etc, Francis, Flowers ran, 'Mighty High', By The Mighty Clouds of Joy and Riis Beach ERUPTED, My man/LOL), Francios, For a Dj to stop a basketball game with refs, While cats on both crews are dancing, Is a very impressive feat, My man(Flowers did

That during the summer of 1976 at Riis Beach in Queens, My man/LOL), Francios, Flowers also put in much work at Lincoln Terrace(On Eastern Parkway), During the mid 70's to early 80's too, My man.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, What's mad bugged lookin at Flowers Obituary is, The Location of the Cemetary where Flowers is buried, Is the same cemetary(Rockville Cemetary in Lynbrook, Long Island, Which is close to the Queens/Nassau county borderline on Merrick Road, Which is Merrick

Blvd once you enter Queens from Long Island), Where one of my boys who i used to play with on the New York City basketball circuit during the 70's, Is buried in the same cemetary(Rockvville Cemetary), As Flowers, My man, Now, The bugged part is, Me and my man used to hang at Riis Beach during the 70's, Listening to Flowers, Plummer, Maboya, The Smith

Brothers, King Charles, Etc, Going back to 1975(Me and my man used to go to Riis beach for the basketball tournaments games back in 1973, Though, During that time, Me and my man we're not into the dance music dj circuit like that to know who the cats we're mixing at Riis

Beach in 1973, My man(Francios, me and my man we're at Riis Beach to check out the basketball games in 1973, My man/LOL, Francios, The cat mixing with Flowers is not Kool Herc, Infact, None of the cats by the equipment is Kool Herc, My man/LOL, ,Francios, Herc

Is alot lighter in complexion wise than Flowers and the others cat in the Picture(Who i do not recognize, My man), Francios, Where did you get the photo from on the internet, My man(Maybe that can give me information on the other cats in the photo with Flowers is, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[donna edwards]

Never even seen a clear photo online...

Here are the only things I could find on the Net:

Flowers and Kool Herc:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D3CXROamYq0/TM2TTRetaVI/AAAAAAAAADw/EzZM-Zv145A/s1600/3c.bmp

Obituary:

http://static.wix.com/media/032afd8ebbb6014a4a4dd5418f351f52.wix_mp_256

Here's a photo from 1 of my friends on FB DJ Frankie D Waters..courtesy of Paradise Gray!

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/179042_494554229491_507894491_6397540_7926132_n.jp g?dl=1

[Mike Barnes]

Donna, Is that Frankie D from Marcy Projects in Brooklyn, In the photo with Flowers and the Young lady, Donna, Frankie D is another Brooklyn Dj legend during the 70's/80's, Money(Frankie-D), Used to rock at St.Mark's Park, Breevort Projects(Where the Breevort Basketball Tournament took place, During the 70's), Etc.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[donna edwards]

Donna, Is that Frankie D from Marcy Projects in Brooklyn, In the photo with Flowers and the Young lady, Donna, Frankie D is another Brooklyn Dj legend during the 70's/80's, Money(Frankie-D), Used to rock at St.Mark's Park, Breevort Projects(Where the Breevort Basketball Tournament took place, During the 70's), Etc.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

Yes Mike, it's him Frankie-D from Marcy Projects, my FB friend..no thats not him in the photo w/Flowers!

Here's Frankie-D!

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/9422_1202433151461_1547563208_30530560_3485459_n.j pg?dl=1

[donna edwards]

Another Pic of GMF!
http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/172139_10150373965665076_527120075_16983440_135934 9_o.jpg

[FK]

Another Pic of GMF!

Good looking out Donna, where'd you find this one?...

[donna edwards]

Good looking out Donna, where'd you find this one?...

Dj Prince Albert took this pic its on his FB page..he used to gig w/Sting International back in the day!

[donna edwards]

Not to go off topic another piece of history I think folks would like to see & & read FK & Richard Long in Billboard mag March 24, 1979! That's what the DHP was created for..just sharing & glad you are here Francois!

http://books.google.com/books?id=MCUEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT63&lpg=PT63&dq=GLI+Integrated+Sound+Systems+inc.&source=bl&ots=lBjjmJhAXo&sig=0VHnur46AnlYbxDTHKa0YPhe-pI&hl=en&ei=bXNpTafWLc3SgQf74fjLCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=GLI%20Integrated%20Sound%20Systems%20inc.&f=false

[donna edwards]

I grew up partying to so many talented Dj's..I love sharing their history of Music in NYC when I can find it!

[dj disciple]

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[FK]

Some things Flowers turned me on to which I am so fond of to this day:

"Space Age" Jimmy Castor Bunch [Atlantic]

http://www.disco-funk.co.uk/disco-funk/mainsite/labelimages/c/jimmy_c2.jpg

"Sunnin' And Funnin'" MFSB [Philadelphia Int'l]

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"Somebody's Gotta Go" (Sho Ain't Me) Mike & Bill [Arista]

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/XFL-HxWxPGs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

"America (We Need The Light)" Billy Paul [Philadephia Int'l]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hJHDGO7PJL4/Stt-oPMAH5I/AAAAAAAAAIE/1FnqQ54SlFE/s400/billypaul

"Wet Weekend" Rock Gazers [Pilgrim]

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/m/myDQ77ilD9vQW8nZuRDHbgg/140.jpg

"Standing In The Rain Again" Megaton [Cenpro]

http://www.deephousepage.com//forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3092&stc=1&d=1298824405

[bkny11203]

Not to go off topic another piece of history I think folks would like to see & & read FK & Richard Long in Billboard mag March 24, 1979! That's what the DHP was created for..just sharing & glad you are here Francois!

http://books.google.com/books?id=MCUEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT63&lpg=PT63&dq=GLI+Integrated+Sound+Systems+inc.&source=bl&ots=lBjjmJhAXo&sig=0VHnur46AnlYbxDTHKa0YPhe-pI&hl=en&ei=bXNpTafWLc3SgQf74fjLCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=GLI%20Integrated%20Sound%20Systems%20inc.&f=false

:thumbsup: Soooo much win in this link. A great peek back in time! News of the debut of the CD wow.

[FK]

Something else that very few people acknowledge, and which (to me at least) was quite special is what a master of the slow jam he really was. I always remember those parts in the middle of the night where he would suddenly drop it way down and play a slow set, Stylistics, Norman Connors, Isley Brothers, Billy Paul, Teddy Pendergrass, New Birth (Wildflower) and so on...

It was just so classy and beautiful. No one does this anymore, but I recall that back in the days the straight crowds really went for this sort of stuff, time to get really close to the ladies with the lights down low.... Flowers was a true artist at this.

[donna edwards]

Something else that very few people acknowledge, and which (to me at least) was quite special is what a master of the slow jam he really was. I always remember those parts in the middle of the night where he would suddenly drop it way down and play a slow set, Stylistics, Norman Connors, Isley Brothers, Billy Paul, Teddy Pendergrass, New Birth (Wildflower) and so on...

It was just so classy and beautiful. No one does this anymore, but I recall that back in the days the straight crowds really went for this sort of stuff, time to get really close to the ladies with the lights down low.... Flowers was a true artist at this.

Francois as far back as I can remember Flowers played how most of our families threw their own house parties in their homes..build it up & grind them down..is what we used to call it!!
His selection was more versatile than most Dj's I heard back then....the Billy Paul song you posted had me in tears, that was a big record for us!! Thanks for sharing your memories & reawakening mine :)

I'm pulling out the album 2nite & burn it to cd!

[Myron]

Something else that very few people acknowledge, and which (to me at least) was quite special is what a master of the slow jam he really was. I always remember those parts in the middle of the night where he would suddenly drop it way down and play a slow set, Stylistics, Norman Connors, Isley Brothers, Billy Paul, Teddy Pendergrass, New Birth (Wildflower) and so on...

It was just so classy and beautiful. No one does this anymore, but I recall that back in the days the straight crowds really went for this sort of stuff, time to get really close to the ladies with the lights down low.... Flowers was a true artist at this.

You're right that is really a lost art.

[donna edwards]

I wouldn't say its a lost Art....it's still done by the older Dj's that play for & give their own Events..like Big Bob, DJ Lance & myself! Myron you would have to frequent these parties to get a feel & experience what Francois is speaking about..no pun intended!

Bob always speak about how much he learned from FLowers about Music & SOund Systems, not to mention we loved slow jams especially @the rink on that SYSTEM..insane :-)

NY was a unique place for Music..you could experience all vibes & flavors of Music..at the parks, the Skate Rinks, your block, clubs, your home..the radio etc!!!!!

Frankie Crocker was a master @ programming great Music across the genre's on WBLS!

Flowers, Don Welch, Big Bob & Horace from Empire RInk, Tee Scott, dj's Carisma, Brucie from Bklyn, the Disco Twins, Alan Graham & Furlough from Queens were the Dj's I were exposed to most growing up & honey did I listen & learn :)

[Mike Barnes]

Donna, Good lookin in regards to the photo's of Flowers and the billboard magazine article from 1979 information too, Francios, Do you know if Nick De Krechweo was the owner of Downstairs records during the 70's/80's, My man, Francios, Good lookin in regards to the Links of the plates, 'Space age', By Jimmy Castor Bunch, 'Sunnin and Funnin', By

MFSB, 'Somebody's gotta Go', By Mike and Bill, 'America(We need the light), By Billy Paul, Etc, My man, Francios, Another plate that Flowers used to run was, 'I think i'll stay home Today', By Billy Paul too(Larry Levan used to run, 'I think i'll stay home today', At The Garage on occassions during the 80's too, My man), Francios, Running slow plates was an very

Important factor on the New York City Dj circuit during the 70's(In the parks and Spots), Because a cat who could run plates like, 'Stop to Start', By Blue Magic, 'Gloria', By Enchantment, 'Everything must change', By Bernard Igner(The Original song from 1975), Showed the versatility of a dj to build up the energy even more, After running the slow plates(Infact cats

Looked forward to the time in a cats set, When a cat would run slow plates, In regards to pushin up mad close to a young lady too(Like you mentioned earlier, My man/LOL), Francios, Donna, We all know how dj's took chances musically in regards to rockin in the parks and spots during the 70's, Cats like Flowers, Pete Dj Jones, QJ from Brooklyn who was rockin the Dj circuit in Brooklyn in 1959), John Ausby(From Brooklyn who was rockin on the mobile Dj circuit in Brooklyn in 1959),

Plummer, Maboya, The Smith Brothers, King Charles, Etc, Set a very high standard when it came to dj'ing for a crowd(In the parks, Beaches and spots in New York, Going back to 1959 for John Ausby and Qj thru the mid to late 60's for Pete Dj Jones(1967), Flowers(1969), King Charles(1968), To the early 70's for Maboya(1970), Plummer(1972), The Smith Brothers(1970), Etc, All of those cats and cats who we're rockin in the parks who never received the praise and acclaim that those

Cats have attained through the years, We're laying down tracks for other dj's to follow when it came to rockin for the community(Which is a very lost art these days/LOL), Francios, Do you feel Flowers was a big influence on Larry Levan, Since both Flowers and Larry Levan we're from Brooklyn, Along with Flowers starting out on the New York dj circuit a few

Years before Larry Levan, Francios, Donna, I have stated on this board for the past 11 years, That Brooklyn dj's during the 70's, We're traveling all-over New York to rock Parties, Parks, During the 70's(Queens dj's used to travel to other parts of the city to rock parties during the 70's, But, Not like Brooklyn Dj's/LOL), Donna, The Disco Twins(Who my man Troy is just

About ready to put up an very highly anticipated interivew with the Disco Twins in a few/LOL), Ralph McDaniels(Though, Ralph's from Brooklyn/LOL), Infinity Machine(Though, Devine's from Brooklyn too/LOL, Dj Furlough and Allan Graham, Are just a few of the Premier Dj's who we're on the Dj circuit in Queens, During the 70's/80's, Donna, The throwdowns at Marcy and

Breevort Projects, Featuring, Frankie D and other cats we're very nice during the late 70's/early 80's, Along with the throwdowns at Coney Island Projects featuring, Count JC, During the mid 70's to early 80's, Infact, Flowers used to sometimes mix at Coney Island on the Himalaya ride, During the mid to late 70's(I don't know who's power cats we're using to mix on at the Himalaya, But, The power at the Himalaya was mad nice and very clean too).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[DaBownca]

When i hear these beats and see the names of the artists I can't help but strike a parallel... back then we would search albums for beats to rock, always looking for the most obscure, the B-sides, the solo. Thats a lost art and thats because there aren't a lot of Musicians making music these days. I also think it has something to do with the age of a lot of the R&B artists ( as that is where we got our beats from) anyone care to give an opinion?

[Mike Barnes]

Chuck, I used to go through my moms and pops old 45's during the mid/late 60's, Reading the credits on the backs of the plates to get information on the names of the artist, Producers, Songwriters, Record label, Etc, Along with playing the B-Sides of plates, Like

You mentioned earlier, My man(Mad fun times too/LOL), Chuck, You know when you truely love to dig for plates, When a cat can stay in a record store for 7 plus hours on a regular basis looking and playing plates(For the record stores that will let you listen to plates,

During the 70's, My man/LOL), Chuck, I do agree with you in regards to the lack of musical talent and the ages of alot of the producers of today(R/B,), Though Chuck, How many musicians are on the R/B circuit today(Musicians with intergrity for they're music, My

Man/LOL), Chuck, We both know how cats(Musicians), Loved music in regards to developing they're craft(Years of apprenticeship developing one's craft before a cat stepped into a studio to record a plate of do session work with a notable artist), Chuck,

We both know that they're we're many plates that we're considered obscure in regards to commercial Notoriety, Yet, Those rare and obscure plates we're athems in the parks and spots in the community, My man(Exhibit A:'Melting Pot', By Booker T and the MG's, '7

Minutes of Funk', By the Whole Darn Family, 'Handclap song', By the Meters, Etc),Etc, That would not get any airplay on the radio(BLS, Kiss-FM, KTU), Etc, During the 70's/80's, Unless a cat was mixing mad late at night(Past 12 midnight/LOL), My man/LOL, Though,

The musicianship was right on time, In regards to many obscure plates(That never received any airplay on the radio), Chuck, We both know how the Dj circuit in New York, Directed the radio personalities on what plates to run on BLS, Kiss-Fm, KTU, Etc, During the

70's/80's, That's why Frankie Crocker used to always hang at dance music spots like The Garage, Justines(Frankie Crocker was mad crew with Reggie Wells who used to mix at Justines from 1979 to the mid 80's), So, The dj circuit in New York played a very important role in what was played on the radio during the 70's/80's in New York, Opposed to know,

Program Directors do not have an ear for the dj circuit in regards to being very knowledgeable of plates that would fit into the format that the radio listeners would love to hear(I'm not building about just club/House music either, My man), Chuck, There are so

Many producers on the R/B circuit, Who we're put on by cats that they know, Opposed to going through an apprenticeship with developing one's craft, Via Long tenured session work(Like cats used to do it during the 60's/70's, My man/LOL), Along with producers of today

(R/B,Club/House), Lacking the skill to Learning how to play more than one instrument too(And, Not just the Keyboards/LOL), Chuck, Quincy Jones once stated that Black artists are more concerned with getting over in regards to making money, Opposed to getting better to learn one's musical craft, My man(Very true statement on the state of the music industry, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[DaBownca]

Chuck, I used to go through my moms and pops old 45's during the mid/late 60's, Reading the credits on the backs of the plates to get information on the names of the artist, Producers, Songwriters, Record label, Etc, Along with playing the B-Sides of plates, Like

You mentioned earlier, My man(Mad fun times too/LOL), Chuck, You know when you truely love to dig for plates, When a cat can stay in a record store for 7 plus hours on a regular basis looking and playing plates(For the record stores that will let you listen to plates,

During the 70's, My man/LOL), Chuck, I do agree with you in regards to the lack of musical talent and the ages of alot of the producers of today(R/B,), Though Chuck, How many musicians are on the R/B circuit today(Musicians with intergrity for they're music, My

Man/LOL), Chuck, We both know how cats(Musicians), Loved music in regards to developing they're craft(Years of apprenticeship developing one's craft before a cat stepped into a studio to record a plate of do session work with a notable artist), Chuck,

We both know that they're we're many plates that we're considered obscure in regards to commercial Notoriety, Yet, Those rare and obscure plates we're athems in the parks and spots in the community, My man(Exhibit A:'Melting Pot', By Booker T and the MG's, '7

Minutes of Funk', By the Whole Darn Family, 'Handclap song', By the Meters, Etc),Etc, That would not get any airplay on the radio(BLS, Kiss-FM, KTU), Etc, During the 70's/80's, Unless a cat was mixing mad late at night(Past 12 midnight/LOL), My man/LOL, Though,

The musicianship was right on time, In regards to many obscure plates(That never received any airplay on the radio), Chuck, We both know how the Dj circuit in New York, Directed the radio personalities on what plates to run on BLS, Kiss-Fm, KTU, Etc, During the

70's/80's, That's why Frankie Crocker used to always hang at dance music spots like The Garage, Justines(Frankie Crocker was mad crew with Reggie Wells who used to mix at Justines from 1979 to the mid 80's), So, The dj circuit in New York played a very important role in what was played on the radio during the 70's/80's in New York, Opposed to know,

Program Directors do not have an ear for the dj circuit in regards to being very knowledgeable of plates that would fit into the format that the radio listeners would love to hear(I'm not building about just club/House music either, My man), Chuck, There are so

Many producers on the R/B circuit, Who we're put on by cats that they know, Opposed to going through an apprenticeship with developing one's craft, Via Long tenured session work(Like cats used to do it during the 60's/70's, My man/LOL), Along with producers of today

(R/B,Club/House), Lacking the skill to Learning how to play more than one instrument too(And, Not just the Keyboards/LOL), Chuck, Quincy Jones once stated that Black artists are more concerned with getting over in regards to making money, Opposed to getting better to learn one's musical craft, My man(Very true statement on the state of the music industry, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes
Preach my brother Preach:thumbsup:

[FK]

The cat mixing with Flowers is not Kool Herc, Infact, None of the cats by the equipment is Kool Herc, My man/LOL, ,Francios, Herc

Is alot lighter in complexion wise than Flowers and the others cat in the Picture(Who i do not recognize, My man), Francios, Where did you get the photo from on the internet, My man(Maybe that can give me information on the other cats in the photo with Flowers is, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes
I found it on this site (http://disco-village.blogspot.com/2010/10/kool-hercgrandmaster-flowers.html) about the birth of Hip-Hop. Funnily enough it has a link to this thread as well.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D3CXROamYq0/TM2TTRetaVI/AAAAAAAAADw/EzZM-Zv145A/s400/3c.bmp

Also I don't really know how much Larry got exposed to Flowers. Maybe that's a question Frankie Knuckles could answer as they were always together in those early days?

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, Good lookin for the hiphop site, Where you copied the photo of Flowers from, My man(Francios, Their's some information on that site, That's wrong, My man, Starting with Flowers giving his blessings to Grandwizard Theodore to use the name, 'Grandmaster', Well,

Flowers gave his blessings to Flash(Grandmaster Flash), To use the name, 'Grandmaster', In 1975, When Flash first started rockin throwdowns in the park(23 Park in the South Bronx), Francois, Alot of cats on the DHP board, Do not know about your history in regards to mixing in spots(Especially Commercial spots in New York, During the 70s), Francios, We

Have built about Rick Richardson asking you to fill in for him at Pipins around 1980/81, Francios, How did you start out at New York/New York and Xenons, During the mid/late 70's(Francios, Wasn't Tony Smith at Xenons during the late 70's/early 80's too, My man(I do

Recall Tony Smith mixing at Mystique(Which was located on 61st and 1ave, A few blocks from Pegasus, Francios, Do you remember a cat by the name of Lindsey Blake, Who used to mix at Pegasus during the late 70's to mid 80's, Pegasus was on 64thst and 2nd in

Manhattan, A few blocks from Rodney Dangerfields comedy club and the New York Tram to Roosevelt Island(Which is located by the 59thst Bridge to Queens).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

Francios, Good lookin for the hiphop site, Where you copied the photo of Flowers from, My man(Francios, Their's some information on that site, That's wrong, My man, Starting with Flowers giving his blessings to Grandwizard Theodore to use the name, 'Grandmaster', Well,

Flowers gave his blessings to Flash(Grandmaster Flash), To use the name, 'Grandmaster', In 1975, When Flash first started rockin throwdowns in the park(23 Park in the South Bronx), Francois, Alot of cats on the DHP board, Do not know about your history in regards to mixing in spots(Especially Commercial spots in New York, During the 70s), Francios, We

Have built about Rick Richardson asking you to fill in for him at Pipins around 1980/81, Francios, How did you start out at New York/New York and Xenons, During the mid/late 70's(Francios, Wasn't Tony Smith at Xenons during the late 70's/early 80's too, My man(I do

Recall Tony Smith mixing at Mystique(Which was located on 61st and 1ave, A few blocks from Pegasus, Francios, Do you remember a cat by the name of Lindsey Blake, Who used to mix at Pegasus during the late 70's to mid 80's, Pegasus was on 64thst and 2nd in

Manhattan, A few blocks from Rodney Dangerfields comedy club and the New York Tram to Roosevelt Island(Which is located by the 59thst Bridge to Queens).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes
Hey Mike, answers to these questions will have to be for some other thread as it would completely take this one somewhere else, although I would like to point out that I only ever did a guest spot once at Xenon's, that was really Tony Smith, and later Jellybean playing there. I was not around for Mystique, only club I remember in that area was Hippopotamus, which had a terrible reputation for being expensive and full of the wrong type of people but the DJ there was quite good, Richie Pampinella.

[Myron]

Hey Mike, answers to these questions will have to be for some other thread as it would completely take this one somewhere else, although I would like to point out that I only ever did a guest spot once at Xenon's, that was really Tony Smith, and later Jellybean playing there. I was not around for Mystique, only club I remember in that area was Hippopotamus, which had a terrible reputation for being expensive and full of the wrong type of people but the DJ there was quite good, Richie Pampinella.

Take us there Frenchman, please. :biggrin:

[Sharp Eye Washington]

This thread is what makes DHP stand out, great information shared by all contrbutors.

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, I truley understand your decision not to change the direction of the thread, My man(We can most definitley build about your history at a later date or whenever you want to build about it Francios, My man), Francios, Flowers used to do alot of throwdowns with M.Morton Hall(Legendary Dance music promoter during the 1960's/70's/80's), Gene

Pendergrass The Dow Twins, Etc, During the 70's, As well as Flowers rockin in the Bronx(Stardust Ballroom and Rosdale Park), During the 70's too, Francios, We both remember Flowers to rock all-over New York including the Long Island college circuit(New York Tech,

Stoney Brook, CW Post, Adelphi University), During the 70's too, Francios, Would you say that Flowers was one of the best mixing/blending dj's that you have ever heard, My man(Flowers was an extremely talented cat in regards to mixing/Blending plates of all tempo's, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

Take us there Frenchman, please. :biggrin:

I really hope that this thread can stay focused on Grandmaster Flowers...

So in that spirit, here's another facet of what he was truly excellent at: He was always rocking the best gear, and I certainly remember Thorens TD-125 turntables,

http://www.audiocostruzioni.com/r_s/giradischi/thorens-td-125-mkII/thorens%20td%20125%20mkII.jpg

as well as a Pioneer active crossover which I think was this 3-way SF-850.

http://www.allegrosound.com/Pioneer_SF-850_4.jpg

and I think that he had those sweet JBL bullet tweeters rather than piezos, but not entirely sure.

http://www.collectibles-articles.com/antique/collectible-image-large/jbl-model-075-bullet-tweeters-with-mounts-8-ohm_110627571592.jpg

For the hell of me I can't remember what mixer he was using, don't think that it was a Bozak, more something with sliders.

After he had the rig set up, the best part of it was always sound check, when he would break out some record he knew in and out, and it always sounded glorious, tight but with plenty of bass, and very defined. He always claimed that when set up properly, his rig left most of his competition in the dust when it came to that....

[FK]

Take us there Frenchman, please. :biggrin:

I really hope that this thread can stay focused on Grandmaster Flowers...

So in that spirit, here's another facet of what he was truly excellent at: He was always rocking the best gear, and I certainly remember Thorens TD-125 turntables,

http://www.audiocostruzioni.com/r_s/giradischi/thorens-td-125-mkII/thorens%20td%20125%20mkII.jpg

as well as a Pioneer active crossover which I think was this 3-way SF-850.

http://www.allegrosound.com/Pioneer_SF-850_4.jpg

and I think that he had those sweet JBL bullet tweeters rather than piezos, but not entirely sure.

http://www.collectibles-articles.com/antique/collectible-image-large/jbl-model-075-bullet-tweeters-with-mounts-8-ohm_110627571592.jpg

For the hell of me I can't remember what mixer he was using, don't think that it was a Bozak, more something with sliders.

After he had the rig set up, the best part of it was always sound check, when he would break out some record he knew in and out, and it always sounded glorious, tight but with plenty of bass, and very defined. He always claimed that when set up properly, his rig left most of his competition in the dust when it came to that.

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, Was Flowers using the bullet Twitters that cats used to sting from the light-poles outside a park, Whenever cats we're about to setup, During the 70's, My man/LOL, Francios, Those bullet twitters we're JBL twitters(Confirmed by The Disco Twins who used to sting JBL twitters from the light-poles at 127 park in Astoria,Queens, During the 70's, IS8 park in Jamaica,Queens, 48 Park in Jamaica,Queens, Etc, Francios, The Disco Twins also stated that Piezo Twitters we're not on

The marrket during the 70's, So, Flowers must had had those bullet twitters(JBL), My man, Francios, The Twins also stated that Richard Long was one of the first cats to have have JBL bullet twitters, During the 70's, My man, Francios, Those Thoren Turntables in the photo, Did those Thorens have a pitch control, My man/LOL, Francios, We both know cats like Flowers, Tee Scott, Larry Levan, Tony Humphries, Kenny Carpenter, Etc, Loved Thoren turntables during the 70's/80's, My

Man/LOL, Francios, Do you remember Lady-J(Who used to be down with the Brooklyn Music Hut record store during the 70's, My man), Lady-J was one of the first Female Dj's on the New York dj circuit along with Bert Lockett(Who was the first Dj at Better Days during the early 70's, Before Tee Scott took over in 1972.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

Pitch control on the Thorens is the little horizontal slider in the middle. It's not quite as wide of a range as the Technics which was +/- 8%, but respectable enough that it could be used with no problems.

Look at a huge picture of it here (http://www.thorens-info.de/td125iia2_3.jpg)

(where it says: "Elektronische Drehzahl-Feineinstellung..")


http://www.deephousepage.com//forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3093&stc=1&d=1298930349

And yeah, many times people would 'sting' the bullets, they were used for traffic control / red lights during the 70's until everyone figured out what they really were. But I have no idea if Flowers did that. Unfortunately, more often than not he was the one to be stung by thieves robbing all of his equipment.... :(

[Myron]

I really hope that this thread can stay focused on Grandmaster Flowers...

Then start another thread.

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, Good lookin in regards to the information on the Thoren turntables, My man,
Francios, I mentioned awhile ago on the DHP board, That Cozmo-D('Jam on it', By Nucleus fame during the early to mid 80's), Stated to me that Flowers had his amps stung by cats after a throwdown in Brooklyn, During the late 70's(Location un-known/LOL), Cozmo also

Stated that his man brought Flowers amps without knowing that the amps we're Flowers and Flowers was crew with Cozmo and his crew, One day Flowers came to Cozmo's man rest in Brooklyn to hangout, And, Flowers saw some amps that looked exactly like his, And, Flowers said, 'You know, I used to have some amps that looked just like these',(LOL), By

The time that Flowers came by Cozmo's man rest, Cozmo and his man found out that Flowers had his amps stung and Cozmo and his man told Flowers that Cozmo's man brought the amps from a cat in Brooklyn a few days after Flowers was stung for his amps, Flowers told Cozmo's man to keep the amps(Cosmo did not finish the story in regards to what

Actions Flowers took in regards to the cats who sold Cozmo's man Flowers amps, My man), Francios, We both know that Flowers carried a piece of steel on his person too, For protection against stickup kids on the prowl for a cats power(Equipment), Francios, I

Stated before that Cozmo mentioned to me that Flowers was losing his hearing in one of his ears, During the late 70's(Around 1979), Francios, I wish i would have found out earlier about TownHill two on Flatbush ave in Brooklyn, Because i most definitely would have been getting loose to the sounds of Flowers all-night to the morning lite, My man, Francios,

Francios, Townhill two was a very big spot(From what i remember, My man), Ralph McDaniels was puttin in much work at TownHill Two's last night in May of 1982(Ralph was rockin way past 10:00am the next morning, My man/LOL), Francios, Flowers did a few guests spot in Queens, During the late 70's(Olympia Palace, Fantasia, Shing,Shing Palace,

Etc, As well Flowers mixing at throwdowns for Elmo the Magic Christian(Legendary Party promoter during the 70's/80's), During the 70's/80's), Francios, It seemed to me that Flowers was the only cat in Brooklyn that traveled alot to other parts of New York(Queens,

Bronx, Manhattan, Long Island), During the 70's/80's, Francios, Was Flowers hanging out at Prelude records during the late 70's to mid 80's, In regards to Flowers receiving exclusive plates, My man(I heard Tony Humphries, Timmy Regisford, Shep Pettibone, Etc, Used to hang at Prelude records to get plates, During the early to mid 80's.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

During the 70's/80's, Francios, Was Flowers hanging out at Prelude records during the late 70's to mid 80's, In regards to Flowers receiving exclusive plates, My man(I heard Tony Humphries, Timmy Regisford, Shep Pettibone, Etc, Used to hang at Prelude records to get plates, During the early to mid 80's.
Hey Mike, I do not remember ever seeing Flowers come by the office. Actually, we sort of lost touch, and the only time I saw him again was at Panorama as Willy Wall, Ozkar and them were renting his system out, that time he was carrying metal that was so big it wouldn't have fit in his pocket, he kindly left it underneath to the side of the mixer while I was playing. But if I remember right he didn't even stick around much during the parties, seemed like he was busy with other things. (this was around 1980 or 81)

Then start another thread.

I said 'hoped'.... :D

But when it comes to this sort of stuff, I am definitely looking to write some of these things down properly into a book. Obviously it's going to take me a second to do so. But the process has started...

[Myron]

I said 'hoped'.... :D

But when it comes to this sort of stuff, I am definitely looking to write some of these things down properly into a book. Obviously it's going to take me a second to do so. But the process has started...

I look forward to reading it whenever it gets done. Speaking of books, Mike Barnes need to write one, one of these days. :biggrin:

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, The cat that you mentioned earlier by the name of Willie Wall, Is that the same cat who produced the plate, 'Ain't no running', By Paula Ralph in 1999/2000, My man(Very nice plate that cats we're not running during the early 2000's), Francios, The last time that heard Flowers mix was in 1982 at Riis Beach in Queens(Sunday afternoons), During that

Time in the early to mid 80's, The Smith Brothers we're rockin at Riis Beach and Rockaway beach alot more than Flowers, Maboya, King Charles, Pete dj Jones, Etc(At least the times that i would go to Riis Beach, During the early to mid 80's), Francios, Plummer was off the

Dj circuit in 1976, So some of the premier cats from the late 60's/early 70's, Started to fade out of the dj circuit in New York(Timmy Regisford, Tony Humphries, Shep Pettibone,

Jellybean Benetiz, Etc, Had the radio mix shows on-lock during the early to mid 80's), Right around the time that the hiphop circuit was starting to get noticed for rockin partys in the parks and spots in the community by national media outlets and overseas media outlets,

During the early to mid 80's, So, That's why i feel the mobile dj circuit of cats who started out on the dj circuit during the late 60's/early 70's, Did not receive the praise, Respect, Notoriety, Attention, Etc, For they're contributions and impact to the Dance music scene in

New York during the 70's, Because the hiphop movement was given the opportunity to tell they're story, While a cat/cats had to experience the talents of Pete dj Jones, Flowers, The Smith Brothers, Plummer, QJ, John Ausby, King Charles, Dj Charsima in a live setting

(Park throwdowns or in a spot), Because, The Mobile dj circuit during the 60's/70's, We're not given the opportunity to tell they're story by journalist and news publications(Like the Hiphop movement was givin), My man, Francios, That's why i try to always keep a cats

Name alive on this board and the oldschoolhiphop board, For cats to know about the impact that Flowers had on mad cats in Brooklyn and Queens(Who never received no respect during the 60's,70's,80's, For anything, My man/LOL), Francios, My man Troy said

That he would be down to have a dedication article on Flowers(Including the cats who knew Flowers and rocked parties with Flowers being interviewed, My man), Francios, Troy has alot of things that he is doing on the hiphop interview circuit right now, But, I will

Connect with Troy to see if Troy can fit in a dedication to Flowers article and interview with the cats/young ladies who knew Flowers very well being interviewed in the very near future, My man.(Much respect to you Francios for bringing this thread back out on the board to further build on, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

Found some other stuff... Here's a thread from a Hip-Hop board (http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=44282) that has some discussion of Flowers on it, including a link to some other Pete DJ Jones interview that's also mentioning Flowers which was done about 10 years ago, and that I had to ferret out of archive.org as the original owner let that domain expire, so I printed it below. This ilXor.com thread goes on and on about the controversy of whether Hip-Hop was first created in the Bronx or in Brooklyn, and also later features a long Tony Smith interview.


PETE "DJ" JONES INTERVIEW pt . 1

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JayQuan : Peace ...I don't know where to start....when did you start actually spinning 2 copies of the same record...and what kind of records were you working with ?
Pete Jones : Well it was around 69 or 70....stuff by James Brown , Peoples Choice , BB King , Johnny Taylor , Fatback Band...I have actually done production work for Fatback . ...People from their record label would see me spinning in the clubs and bring me records to rate......then I started producing for them .
JQ : What made you spin 2 copies of a record back in 69 ?
PJ : Well you know the best part of the record is the breakdown....what guys started calling the break or breakbeat. That was the part that got people dancing....so I would play that part continous . I had a mixer that had a cue ...so that you could hear the record on one turntable while the other one played . I would have 2 copies....usually a 45 (rpm) and a 3 minute song could get extended to 10 minutes. There weren't that many songs out , so if I had to Dj a party that lasted 3 hours ; I had to extend those breakdowns.
JQ : What kind of equipment were you working with ?
PJ : Sony Microphone mixers - Later a GLI 7000 Mixer - it was about the size of a TV . They didn't even have cross faders.
JQ: Who else was doing this sort of thing at this time ?
PJ : Grandmaster Flowers from Brooklyn , Maboya , Plumber....then Flash Herc and Bam came after them . Grandmaster Flowers was the best mixing Dj that I ever saw.....Flash was the fastest.
JQ : Who was the first person that you heard rap ?
PJ : Dj Hollywood .
JQ : Did you ever have any Emcees rhyme for you ?
PJ : Luvbug Starski....he was like a son....I took him off the streets and he worked in my club. Also JJ The Disco King and Kc The Prince Of Soul .
JQ : Didn't you retire at one time ?
PJ : Yes around 1980 ... I had a few clubs....I needed to run them .
JQ : Do you feel that your name has been unfairly left out of Hip Hop history ? (Flash does mention that you were the first person he saw spin 2 copies of a record.....and the first with a cue on your mixer)
PJ : Well I was a club Dj downtown....you had to be an adult to get into the places I played . Therefore some guys talk about Flash , Herc and Bambaataa because they were park Djs.....anyone could go to the park, there was no age limit ,but they were too young to see me .
JQ: Did you ever play clubs where any so called stars performed ?
PJ : Yes....it was different ....the bands use to open for us !! GQ and Fatback would open for me , and I was the headliner !
JQ : When did you return to Djing ?
PJ : 1987 ....its hard to stay away...I still Dj , and I have a house full of records and records in storage .
JQ : Do you listen to Hip Hop and if so who ?
PJ : I like it all ...Ja Rule , Jay -Z....I don't know what they're saying , but the music is good....they're just using old music.
JQ : If I may ask , how old are you ?
PJ : Im 62 years old .
JQ : Incredible.....Aren't you down with Kurtis Blow & some other Old Schoolers ? PJ : Yes we have a Hip Hop Alliance...Me , Kurtis Blow , Russell Simmons , Herc and Grandwizard Theodore.....we just look for ways to make Hip Hop positive .

As told to JayQuan October 2001
* Special thanks to Troy Smith *
© 2001 JayQuan Dot Com / Magnetic Soundworx©©

[DaBownca]

Found some other stuff... Here's a thread from a Hip-Hop board (http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=44282) that has some discussion of Flowers on it, including a link to some other Pete DJ Jones interview that's also mentioning Flowers which was done about 10 years ago, and that I had to ferret out of archive.org as the original owner let that domain expire, so I printed it below. This ilXor.com thread goes on and on about the controversy of whether Hip-Hop was first created in the Bronx or in Brooklyn, and also later features a long Tony Smith interview.
Dope...this whole thread is dope....any info on Maboya around?

[FK]

Francios, The cat that you mentioned earlier by the name of Willie Wall, Is that the same cat who produced the plate, 'Ain't no running', By Paula Ralph in 1999/2000

Not sure about this, but I am pretty sure that he had something to do with Cookie Watkins "I'm Attracted To You" and also was part of a production partnership with John Robinson (Robinson/Wall Project with artists like Gary Michael Wade) until JR's tragic and untimely death in a car crash.

[Mike Barnes]

Chuck, Plummer stated that M.Morton Hall mentioned to him(Plummer), That Maboya went back to Jamaica(West Indies), Awhile ago, My man, The cats that i would like to find out if they're still around are the Smith Brothers, My man, I heard King Charles passed away(I have to get more details on that, My man), Francios, My man Jayquan(thafoundation.com),

Interviewed Pete Dj Jones in 2001(Pete Dj Jones is 72 years of age, My man), Francios, Pete Dj Jones holds the distinction of being the tallest dj from the dj circuit in New York, during the late 60's to the early 80's, My man(Pete Dj Jones is 6'9 with his, Along with Pete Dj Jones having a reputation for being nice in basketball in his day too, My man/LOL),

Infact, Pete Dj Jones's, MC's are still alive today(KC The Prince of Soul, JJ The Disco King and Lovebug Starski), Francios, Hopefully, Plummer will see this thread and share some more information on Flowers with all of us, My man.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[FK]

Francios, My man Jayquan(thafoundation.com), Interviewed Pete Dj Jones in 2001(Pete Dj Jones is 72 years of age, My man)
Hello Mike, just to make sure you see it, the interview I quote above is the one you are talking about, if you read the fine print Jayquan is credited at the end. But the web site where he had this posted doesn't exist anymore, so I had to do a bit of archive digging to find a saved copy of it.

[Mike Barnes]

Francios, Jayquan's changed his site name from thefoundation.com(Where that Pete dj Jones interview from 2001 was originally on), To thafoundation.com, Where Jay has two sections of interviews, One for the hiphop interviews and one for R/B interviews, Featuring, Interviews with Steve Arrington(Slave), Doug Winbush(Tac-head), Tony Fisher(Trouble Funk),

Greg Johnson(Cameo), Etc, Francios, Jay and his man Troy(thafoundation.com/oldschoolhiphop.com), Are two young cats who love the history of hiphop and Dance music during the 70's/80's, I try to give Jay and Troy as much insite and information as i can remember in regards to the hiphop circuit and Dance music circuit during the 70's/80's, Along with

Squaring Jay and Troy with cats to build with for they're interviews too, Francios, When i see young cats very interested in cats like Flowers, Plummer, Maboya, Pete Dj Jones, King Charles, The Smith Brothers, Charisma from Brooklyn, Etc, That shows me that those cats(Jay and Troy), Have a love and respect for the history of the New York city Dj circuit,

Regardless of who was mixing(Hiphop throwdowns in the parks or mobile dj throwdowns in the parks, Beaches, Spots, Etc, During the 70's, My man, Francios, Flowers meant alot to so many cats who we're either touched by Flowers music, Or knew Flowers personally, Or, Cats who we're not old enough to hear Flowers mix live in a spot, Park, Beach, Setting during

The late 60's to early 80's, Yet, Those same cats we're tutored by a cat who was influenced by Flowers vast musical talents, My man, Francios, Flowers deserves the right to be right beside cats like Kool Herc, Larry Levan, David Mancuso, Walter Gibbons, Tee Scott, Francios Grasso,Etc, In regards to respect, Praise, and, Notoriety, My man, And, I'm very sure the Founding Fathers documentary will showcase the many musical talents that Flowers possessed, My man.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[Martin Red]

I only heard of him once and at that time, being that I was into the Art I thought he was a GrandMaster as in 5 degree Blackbelt.:rofl::rolleyes:

But listen to what I found

Grandmaster Flowers Live Brooklyn Park Jam 1979
http://www.zshare.net/audio/3728766f191503/

Wicked, mix is gone from that link now, but now on youtube


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[LOKEE]

I found it on this site (http://disco-village.blogspot.com/2010/10/kool-hercgrandmaster-flowers.html) about the birth of Hip-Hop. Funnily enough it has a link to this thread as well.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D3CXROamYq0/TM2TTRetaVI/AAAAAAAAADw/EzZM-Zv145A/s400/3c.bmp

Also I don't really know how much Larry got exposed to Flowers. Maybe that's a question Frankie Knuckles could answer as they were always together in those early days?


The photo in question was taken by Henry Chalfant, who most will know as the director of Style Wars or his two books Subway Art and Spraycan Art. It's attributed to a park jam in the Patterson House Projects, circa mid-80s. Here's another pic from the series, which includes a young Kayslay (aka Dezzy Dez)

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[Mike Barnes]

Lokee, Good lookin in regards to the information on the photo that Francios put on the board awhile ago, My man, On the low, Cats like Tiny Archibald(Hall of Fame basketball player in the NBA during the late 60's to 1981), Guy Fisher(Big-Willy Drug King-pin who was down with Nicky Barnes during the 70's), Iran Barkely(Former Middleweight Champion during the late 80's), Van Silk

(Legendary hiphop promoter during the late 70's to mid 80's), All come from Patterson Projects in the South Bronx, My man), Also, Kayslay used to run with Po(Alpo from uptown/Harlem), Infact Kayslay and Po are both from Wilson Projects(105thst and 1st ave by the FDR Drive in Harlem).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[LOKEE]

Thanks for the added info, MB!

[Martin Red]

The photo in question was taken by Henry Chalfant

Went to event recently where he was doing q & a's as well as showing some pics.

http://www.woostercollective.com/images/mattress-acrobats-henry-cha.jpg

:)

He's been allover the globe with his lens, and most recently Palestine, doing a piece about the art and the struggles.

http://henrychalfant.com/

[Martin Red]

Was this posted yet ?, i checked, but maybe my eyes decieve me :)

Grandmaster Flowers: Hip-Hop Originator


Henry Chalfant, director of Stylus Wars, is planning on dropping a new film entitled FROM MAMBO TO HIP HOP. The film covers the 1970's gang wars in the Bronx and subsequent truce that, according to Chalfant "led to the inception of Hip Hop." Many believe this truce to be the inspiration for the film The Warriors.
The film also introduces you to pre Bambatta inovators such as the Getto Brothers who where intrumental in organizing the truce and creating the first truely hip hop aesthetic.
The footage is amazing!

Check this out though. At a lecture about hip hop history at the Brooklyn public library the lecturer was interupted, while claiming hip hop to have originated out in the Bronx, by an angry man claiming hip hop to have started out in Brooklyn. After gaing the attention of the crowd the man, whose name escapes me now, proceded to produce photos and a flyer, both dated 1968, of Grandmaster Flowers rocking a party of thousands in Brookly and in the front row are what appeared to be bboys uprocking. Who knows, i might just turn out to be that Brooklyn keeps on makin it and its the Bronx that keeps on takin it.

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=44282

[Mike Barnes]

Martin, Good lookin in regards to the information on Grandmaster Flowers and the hiphop history lecture at The Brooklyn Musuem, My man, Martin, I do recall reading about Henry Chalfant's movie, 'From, 'Mambo to hiphop', Awhile back 2007/08, My

Man, Martin, I wish cats knew the name of the cat who was building about Flowers at the Hiphop history Lecture at the Brooklyn Musuem(Because i would invite money to build with us on the board, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[trento]

man i just want to hear the mix....i did what i was supposed to do right? the netbook read 'buffering'...i went downstairs and was mixing for like 45 mins...man i came back, still buffering...i said fuck it...i have one of those 1 gig netbooks...haven't heard the mix and want to hear dude...shit.

[LOKEE]

In the interest of getting titles correct for those who might be interested in checking out Chalfant's films, the documentary described in Martin's quote is an odd hotchpotch of two films, From Mambo to Hip Hop and Flying Cut Sleeves. From Mambo to Hip Hop is a recent documentary that originally aired in conjunction with PBS's Voces program. As the title hints, it documents Latin NY's influence on hip hop--both musically and culturally. Flying Cut Sleeves, on the other hand, is film that Chalfant started much earlier. If one is to believe the press it received prior to its release, FCS was a response to the exploitative nature of the slew of pseudo-documentaries covering NYC gangs, like 80 Blocks from Tiffanys. Thus, FCS covers the rise of gang culture in the Bronx, the community's efforts to combat violence through two distinct periods of time, and the efforts of former gangs like the Ghetto Brothers to redirect members and youngster's commitment to gang culture.

Both are available for purchase on amazon if one is so inclined.

[trento]

Wicked, mix is gone from that link now, but now on youtube


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thanx.....