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mdpm99

11-21-2003, 06:43 AM

IMHO:

Regarding the controversial lesbian kiss in that Maryland high school, I for one have no problem with it. Perhaps for some, it did cross the line a bit, but I believe that the schools should lay off affectionate kids and take care of actual business. We humans are a nutty species when we find no problem with smashing each other up on a football field, but we object to gestures between two people who love and care for each other.

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DJ76

11-21-2003, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
We humans are a nutty species when we find no problem with smashing each other up on a football field, but we object to gestures between two people who love and care for each other.

d And we call boxing a sport! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

I'm aware of which incident you're referring to but agree with what you said.

i.be.me

11-21-2003, 07:06 AM

i hear you, man. talk about faulty logic... graemlins/conf44.gif

kweer sounds

11-21-2003, 07:13 AM

Very well said David.
Lets spread LOVE. graemlins/1luvu.gif

C hristian

11-21-2003, 08:30 AM

never heard about the story . sorry.

but Yeah! you go david!

where in MD?

certainly NOT in Takoma Park!

[ November 21, 2003, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: C hristian ]

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
IMHO:

Regarding the controversial lesbian kiss in that Maryland high school, I for one have no problem with it. Perhaps for some, it did cross the line a bit, but I believe that the schools should lay off affectionate kids and take care of actual business. We humans are a nutty species when we find no problem with smashing each other up on a football field, but we object to gestures between two people who love and care for each other.

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d I've always found it odd that the Christian Coalition types and conservatives make such a fuss about any kind of gay affection on TV, or about nudity on TV...but then don't seem to be bothered about TV programmes and films showing people blowing each other to bits with guns and bombs.

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Wild i

11-21-2003, 08:36 AM

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Wild i:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
IMHO:

Regarding the controversial lesbian kiss in that Maryland high school, I for one have no problem with it. Perhaps for some, it did cross the line a bit, but I believe that the schools should lay off affectionate kids and take care of actual business. We humans are a nutty species when we find no problem with smashing each other up on a football field, but we object to gestures between two people who love and care for each other.

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d graemlins/cool_shades.gif [/QUOTE]Mel - I was talking to respected British DJ Norman Jay the other day about his days of living/visiting New York back in the day and he was speaking very affectionately about Tee..saying what a great DJ he was and how much the Brooklyn kids adored him whenever he did parties in the area. Much love for Tee graemlins/1luvu.gif

MarkK

11-21-2003, 08:39 AM

Girls' Buss Causes Fuss at School and in Media

By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 15, 2003; Page B01

You've seen Britney and Madonna. You've seen it on "All My Children." Now a Howard County high school has seen senior Katherine Pecore and junior Stephanie Haaser lock lips on top of a lunch table.

The result? Two-day suspensions, a school protest and 15 minutes of fame.

"It wasn't an affection thing. It was really just a statement," said Pecore, 17.

The girls say the kiss was staged to protest homophobia. It happened Nov. 5 in the middle of lunch at River Hill High School in Clarksville. Haaser's English teacher had asked his students to perform a "nonconformist act" as part of a section on Transcendentalist authors such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. Most students opted for little indiscretions -- eating cereal at lunch, for example, or calling teachers by their first names. But Haaser, 17, had a more dramatic idea.

The two girls climbed on top of a lunch table and shouted, "End homophobia now!" Then the girls, both heterosexual, made out. Estimates for the length of the kiss range from 10 to 15 seconds.

"It was full on," Pecore said. "It was intense."

There was stunned silence in the crowded cafeteria at first. But soon staff and students at River Hill could talk about little else. The two girls were suspended from school the following two days for being disruptive, Principal Scott Pfeifer said, not for the kiss itself. There is no policy against kissing in the cafeteria.

"I'm confident I made the right decision," Pfeifer said. "Anybody who would stand up and do a disruptive act, I would treat them the same way." The fact that it happened to be two girls "is totally meaningless to me."

Both are stellar students: Pecore got a perfect score of 1600 on the SAT, and Haaser has a 3.88 grade-point average. Pecore has applied "early decision" to Brown University and said she didn't think the suspension would mar her otherwise squeaky-clean record.

"Frankly, I think that Brown is a really liberal school" that might respect her for standing up for what she believes in, she said.

However, the girls' message has become eclipsed by the kiss itself. Only two students showed up this week at a protest of homophobia that was prompted by the suspensions. But a much larger audience tuned in Thursday night when the girls' story made it to CNN. Yesterday morning, Haaser and her mother were on "Good Morning America" defending the kiss to host Charles Gibson.

Across the country, students who cross traditional gender lines have made news. Two years ago in Boulder, Colo., students threatened to stage a "kiss-in" when a local high school banned a picture of two girls kissing from the yearbook. On Halloween in Connecticut, a 15-year-old boy was suspended after he showed up at school in an "inappropriate" costume: a floral skirt, matching scarf and lipstick. The boy and his father, along with the American Civil Liberties Union, are suing the school.

At River Hill, Pecore said, teachers often stand idly by while students use phrases such as "Oh, that's gay" or trash-talk classmates they believe to be homosexual. Pfeifer acknowledges that there is some insensitivity at the school and said he is working with a school committee to investigate claims of homophobia. He said he even wore a rainbow ribbon a few weeks ago when the school celebrated National Coming Out Day.

"I'm a child of the '60s," he said.

The girls said they knew their kiss would be shocking -- that was part of the point. But they never expected the media attention.

"They don't care about our message," Pecore said. "They care because the whole lesbian kiss thing, because that sells. . . . This is about the bigger issue of discrimination."

She ran through a list of local broadcast and print outlets that had told the girls' story. One TV station even asked them to re-create the act for the camera.

That's when they hit their limit. "No," Pecore said. "That would just be classless."

Staff writer Susan DeFord contributed to this report.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

C hristian

11-21-2003, 08:49 AM

oh my god.

this is a story?

here's hoping that the storie's subjects continue to point out how F****D up, and for that matter, how concervative the media is these days when this makes CNN.

Our Puritanical roots are showing here.

I guess, with the gay community being so under public attack these days.

Strange days are Here - The Doors

darrow

11-21-2003, 08:57 AM

I'm having trouble finding the words to express how irritating this (the suspension and media focus) is on so many levels.

Yet another reason to keep my tv off more often.

MYOR

11-21-2003, 09:13 AM

I'm personally getting tired of the I'm straight but http://deephousepage.com/smilies/knuddel.gif ...

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Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 09:17 AM

There is a bright side - these two girls refused to allow themselves to be exploited for the pandering media. They have more maturity than many of the adults in their midst.

Hats off!

Brut by Faberge

11-21-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
I'm personally getting tired of the I'm straight but http://deephousepage.com/smilies/knuddel.gif ...

graemlins/conf44.gif right...if you ain't in the friggin life, quit showin off in order to get some penis or piss off your ex-boyfriend (hi, britney) or whatever. shit is soooo five years ago ...

anyway, as far as these girls, most of me admires what they did. high school is a tough place to stand up for what you believe in, so i cheer them for that. i don't know enough about this to form a whole opinion of it, but it's cool that they also have supportive parents.

D J 1 3 8

11-21-2003, 09:38 AM

1600 on her SATs AND bisexual!
Sounds like a real catch!
Oh too be young again...

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
There is a bright side - these two girls refused to allow themselves to be exploited for the pandering media. They have more maturity than many of the adults in their midst.

Hats off! I thought this as well... they did'nt 'recreate the kiss'... I thought that was great...

Wild i

11-21-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Jolyon:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
IMHO:

Regarding the controversial lesbian kiss in that Maryland high school, I for one have no problem with it. Perhaps for some, it did cross the line a bit, but I believe that the schools should lay off affectionate kids and take care of actual business. We humans are a nutty species when we find no problem with smashing each other up on a football field, but we object to gestures between two people who love and care for each other.

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d graemlins/cool_shades.gif [/QUOTE]Mel - I was talking to respected British DJ Norman Jay the other day about his days of living/visiting New York back in the day and he was speaking very affectionately about Tee..saying what a great DJ he was and how much the Brooklyn kids adored him whenever he did parties in the area. Much love for Tee graemlins/1luvu.gif [/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. See, if this was a more visual media we could thrill the DHP by staging an "alternative" DJ/non-DJ kiss. graemlins/eusa_dance.gif