re: Playing music for a partying audience...Another aspect...

[TAC]

The psychological aspects of it.

Never heard it discussed here, but is a component that needs to be considered.

Peace
TAC

[DaveR]

I DJd once at a Mental Institution ... the crowd went crazy

[TAC]

I DJd once at a Mental Institution ... the crowd went crazy
Exhibit A

[ebot9000]

I DJd once at a Mental Institution ... the crowd went crazy

:icon_rofl:

[BrazenMuse]

The psychological aspects of it.

Never heard it discussed here, but is a component that needs to be considered.

Peace
TAC

TAC...what mean you by this question? Psychological aspects for the DJ or for the audience? both?

[BrazenMuse]

I DJd once at a Mental Institution ... the crowd went crazy
:rofl:

[TAC]

TAC...what mean you by this question? Psychological aspects for the DJ or for the audience? both?

For the audience. It's always about the audience.... It's never "about" the "DJ".

Think psychoacoutics, psychovisualistic notions and their effect on the audience, i.e. the dancer.

[BrazenMuse]

For the audience. It's always about the audience.... It's never "about" the "DJ".

Think psychoacoutics, psychovisualistic notions and their effect on the audience, i.e. the dancer.

ahhh...ok. i know that i love rooms played by certain DJs because the acoustics are well thought out...

I know that there are some people on some systems who make my head hurt and kill my groove by overdriving the system and distorting the music in the name of whatever they are playing...I know that not everyone can deal with one of my fave places: Love, with Claussell on deck.
...and the obvious: David's Loft...ahhhhh!

I think that not enough DJs really think about what the room sounds like once it's packed and they are playing. I hv heard so many DJs take a good system and make it sound terrible...

I can't get lost in the music and get my "worship" on if the DJ can't handle the system without killing me. Louie Lou Gorbea is a favorite of mine too...

I'm rambling...sorry. Long day...back later.

[DaveR]

Exhibit A
:lol: :biggrin:

[mhd]

I DJd once at a Mental Institution ... the crowd went crazy

throw your meds in the air,
and wave em like the voices in your head don't care

[BrazenMuse]

throw your meds in the air,
and wave em like the voices in your head don't care

:icon_rofl:

[S&S]

Play shit people know, Play Hot Shit, Play female songs.....then hit them with some new shit.......thats how u work a floor

[Myron]

There is a psychological aspect when it comes to the DJ. The problem is that some DJs don't put themselves in the crowd's perspective thus not fully connecting.

[Martin Red]

There is a psychological aspect when it comes to the DJ. The problem is that some DJs don't put themselves in the crowd's perspective thus not fully connecting.

Bingo, it aint just about playing shit they know, unless you're playing a shallow shaz and tracey venue week in week out.

It's about watching the crowd, understanding body language, judging to a certain extent, testing the water, arrgh I played that they danced so I can play more of that, open up that, bascially it's about getting the best from your crowd with the best from your box.

If you can't read people, give up DJ'ing now.

[TAC]

Play shit people know, Play Hot Shit, Play female songs.....then hit them with some new shit.......thats how u work a floor

This is simplistic.

[Martin Red]

Play female songs.....

All my "songs" are female, well, they have a whole in the middle :)

[Martin Red]

This is simplistic.


very, it's not taking into account that that are many forms of music that you can dance to it doesn't have to be screaming diva music all night. I like male singers, I like songs without vocals, what's with this play what they know.."songs"..."female"......jesus, if that was the case we'de be hearing I will survive and the likes all night

LOL

[SuzanneT]

throw your meds in the air,
and wave em like the voices in your head don't care
You both are killing me :icon_rofl:

[Physicalheat-The MusicMaster]

ahhh...ok. i know that i love rooms played by certain DJs because the acoustics are well thought out...

I know that there are some people on some systems who make my head hurt and kill my groove by overdriving the system and distorting the music in the name of whatever they are playing.

I hv heard so many DJs take a good system and make it sound terrible...

I can't get lost in the music and get my "worship" on if the DJ can't handle the system without killing me.

I'm rambling...sorry. Long day...back later.

I'm constantly trying to show the proper way to set a room "acoustically". Too may DJ's base how they play on how they sound, i,e The louder the better, Not really caring about the sound. I'll take maybe not so loud but clean with a strong punch over super loud and distorted any day - JMO

[MEP]

I DJd once at a Mental Institution ... the crowd went crazy
:rofl5:

[MEP]

throw your meds in the air,
and wave em like the voices in your head don't care
:icon_rofl::icon_rofl:

[Nege]

This is simplistic.
its not really complicated.....

[BrazenMuse]

I'm constantly trying to show the proper way to set a room "acoustically". Too may DJ's base how they play on how they sound, i,e The louder the better, Not really caring about the sound. I'll take maybe not so loud but clean with a strong punch over super loud and distorted any day - JMO


LOUD is not a necessity. QUALITY is. Even for the non-audiophile, it makes a difference...it's kinder, for instance, to the long-term hearing. Good sound can make those who THINK loud is wonderful actually believe that what they are hearing IS loud.

Then too, I'm convinced that a bunch of DJs out there have already damaged their hearing beyond belief...

and a bunch of them think that distortion is a great thing...or that the highs should be stabbing people through the temples...I usually flee when I hear that. I don't much like muddy mids either...

I make a practice of keeping earplugs in my bag, enough for myself and for a few other people...especially for my clients.

[SuzanneT]

and a bunch of them think that distortion is a great thing...or that the highs should be stabbing people through the temples...I usually flee when I hear that. I don't much like muddy mids either...


This right here is why I hate mp3s, ESPECIALLY hearing them played in a club.
btw where can I get some of those earplugs?

[Sal Paradise]

Dave R Killing it.

:rofl5:

[DaveR]

Dave R Killing it.

:rofl5:
peeps was posting on the hospital's Deranged House Page the next day ... "I Lost My Mind when he played 'Follow Me' "

[BrazenMuse]

This right here is why I hate mp3s, ESPECIALLY hearing them played in a club.
btw where can I get some of those earplugs?

at a pharmacy or a music store...see how high of a decibel level they are rated for. Higher numbers are better, of course. You can still hear music but you won't get the full horror show...

[BrazenMuse]

peeps was posting on the hospital's Deranged House Page the next day ... "I Lost My Mind"


Deranged House...is that akin to some other form of house? Hmmmm...
is there a minimal deranged? is there techno deranged? maybe tribal deranged?

oh dear...

off to my corner to suck my thumb.

[MEP]

peeps was posting on the hospital's Deranged House Page the next day ... "I Lost My Mind when he played 'Follow Me' "
:lach:

"where we can be freeeeeee ee eee eeeeeeee"

[vic]

I am not sure exacty where it came from, but any of you hear the term, "Big Sound"? As best as I can figure it means to have sound with pressence, and be very hearable, but without the "loudness".

[TAC]

I'm talking about reaching down in people's subsconcience and affecting them. Not by accident, but dilberately.

[Stan747]

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[BrazenMuse]

I'm talking about reaching down in people's subsconcience and affecting them. Not by accident, but dilberately.

Same DJs that talk about musical journeys are probably the ones you are talking about...
just kidding...

ok...so, a DJ like Claussell maybe? Would seem deliberate to me and seems people seek him out just for that reason.

Lou Gorbea, absolutely...
there are others. Do any of the DHP DJs admit to any such imperative?

[MEP]

I'm talking about reaching down in people's subsconcience and affecting them. Not by accident, but dilberately.
IMO, subconscious and deliberate are contradictory terms.

[D J 1 3 8]

I'm talking about reaching down in people's subsconcience and affecting them. Not by accident, but dilberately.

a journey? http://smiliesftw.com/x/hsugh2.gif

[BrazenMuse]

IMO, subconscious and deliberate are contradictory terms.

But affecting people's subconscious minds is at the core of several major industries..."marketing" in one guise...I'm sure you can name others...

and that IS done deliberately...marketing functions to create a "need" where none ever existed...the target audience will hopefully "need" the widget.

Changing lights can affect the subconscious. Scent affects the subconscious...MEP, you can't convince me that you don't know this already...

DJs, some, DO set out to affect the subconscious mind...even if they do not, their place in the enormous masquerade that is nightlife is still that of wizard...

...or maybe that's just my generation...but we go to parties to "free" our minds, to "release" ourselves, to "sweat, sweat, sweat..."

The catch is, I need to find DJs who affect my mind in ways that make me experience pleasure...DJ Earon is another one who comes to mind...but I've mentioned several whose work I love: Claussell, Gorbea, Mancuso, Krivit, Master Kev, Sensei Melee, Jamie 3:26...I'm only naming ones I have experienced live...there are others I've only heard on the internet but enjoyed...but that's a different vibe...

There are DJs who can't move me for love or money. Sad. i just don't go when I know they are going to be on the deck...very simple.


TAC, do you think DJs SHOULD consider subconscious effects?

[MEP]

But affecting people's subconscious minds is at the core of several major industries..."marketing" in one guise...I'm sure you can name others...

and that IS done deliberately...marketing functions to create a "need" where none ever existed...the target audience will hopefully "need" the widget.

Changing lights can affect the subconscious. Scent affects the subconscious...MEP, you can't convince me that you don't know this already...

DJs, some, DO set out to affect the subconscious mind...even if they do not, their place in the enormous masquerade that is nightlife is still that of wizard...

...or maybe that's just my generation...but we go to parties to "free" our minds, to "release" ourselves, to "sweat, sweat, sweat..."

The catch is, I need to find DJs who affect my mind in ways that make me experience pleasure...DJ Earon is another one who comes to mind...but I've mentioned several whose work I love: Claussell, Gorbea, Mancuso, Krivit, Master Kev, Sensei Melee, Jamie 3:26...I'm only naming ones I have experienced live...there are others I've only heard on the internet but enjoyed...but that's a different vibe...

There are DJs who can't move me for love or money. Sad. i just don't go when I know they are going to be on the deck...very simple.


TAC, do you think DJs SHOULD consider subconscious effects?
You have to "allow" your subconscious to be affected. The marketers can deliberately hope your weak ass subconscious buys their shit. I can watch a thousand McDonalds commercials; I still 'aint eating a Big Mac.

Edited for clarification

[DaveR]

But affecting people's subconscious minds is at the core of several major industries..."marketing" in one guise...I'm sure you can name others...

and that IS done deliberately...marketing functions to create a "need" where none ever existed...the target audience will hopefully "need" the widget ...
http://www.officeodyssey.com/images/mickeyd.gif

[MEP]

http://www.officeodyssey.com/images/mickeyd.gif
:rofl5:Can I get a "follow me" with that Happy Meal?

[TAC]

TAC, do you think DJs SHOULD consider subconscious effects?

Of course. These days, however, it's not about the people but, rather, how many new songs can an egotistic idiot break per night.

[DaveR]

Of course. These days, however, it's not about the people but, rather, how many new songs can an egotistic idiot break per night.
Exhibit A agrees with you 100% :thumbsup:

[Physicalheat-The MusicMaster]

LOUD is not a necessity. QUALITY is. Even for the non-audiophile, it makes a difference...it's kinder, for instance, to the long-term hearing. Good sound can make those who THINK loud is wonderful actually believe that what they are hearing IS loud.

Then too, I'm convinced that a bunch of DJs out there have already damaged their hearing beyond belief...

and a bunch of them think that distortion is a great thing...or that the highs should be stabbing people through the temples...I usually flee when I hear that. I don't much like muddy mids either...

I make a practice of keeping earplugs in my bag, enough for myself and for a few other people...especially for my clients.

Works for me.

[BrazenMuse]

:rofl5:Can I get a "follow me" with that Happy Meal?
That was WRONG!!!

LOL!!

And there are those who are resistant...who have opted out...I am certainly one of them. Billboard owners get paid for advertising space...why should I have to pay to be some designer's billboard? BAH!

Music labels, djs and parties get a pass...I don't mind "representing" there but other stuff? NO!
And McDonalds? Haven't eaten in one for years and years...no loss there...

So TAC, you believe some DJs are missing the point or the opportunity? Does the egomaniac breakin' new and unreleased (:madani:) stuff just not care? Do they develop a following? Is it as faithful a following as a DJ who worries over the subconscious aspects or is this too broad a set of generalizations?

Aside from DJs, I'm thinking of musicians like Prince and PFunk...they have followings thru thick and thin, good times and bad...because they do touch something deep inside.

Hmmm...

[TAC]

So TAC, you believe some DJs are missing the point or the opportunity?

Not sure, but I certainly know that I don't think about these people beyond saying, "I ain't ever going back" to one of their events.


Does the egomaniac breakin' new and unreleased (:madani:) stuff just not care? I don't know. I think that question would need to be asked of each individual when they are doing what they do.


Do they develop a following? Other than all the other jocks standing around staring, waiting for the next "new" song.


Is it as faithful a following as a DJ who worries over the subconscious aspects or is this too broad a set of generalizations? Good question.

[DeesKo]

I'm talking about reaching down in people's subsconcience and affecting them. Not by accident, but dilberately.


Here's my thing.... for the TRULY gifted jock... is it even really deliberate, or is it something that just comes naturally to them?

Jocks listen to songs different ways, perceive the effects of putting two songs together differently, etc... when a jock does this, is it really on purpose... ie a thought out planned excursion.... or is it their manifest creativity shining through?

**edit** the reason I wonder about this aspect of purposely thinking it through is that all of my life, I've heard about "letting it go"... ie, stop thinking so damn much about every single little thing and just let the music go... so would purposely thinking something like this through actually hinder your ability to play the music un-colored, untainted so to speak and actually end up negatively effecting things.....

Maybe the reason there are so few people who do this **provided you agree there are some jocks that do in fact accomplish this** is that they don't have to THINK about it, as much as it is just what happens when they let the music go.....

Is this just one of a few other things that naturally set DJ 30 YEARS AND GOING STRONG apart from DJ PLAYING FOR 65 PEOPLE AND TALKIN LIKE I'M TIESTO ?

Peace

[Kenrick _]

some djs just make any song sound good - like fire is coming from the decks. you may go out and buy the same record and it doesn't sound as good as when they played it. Tony Humphries is a great example of this to me.

[Dj Kindel]

Psychological like putting something on yo mind and leave yo d... tinglin

[vic]

Here's my thing.... for the TRULY gifted jock... is it even really deliberate, or is it something that just comes naturally to them?

Jocks listen to songs different ways, perceive the effects of putting two songs together differently, etc... when a jock does this, is it really on purpose... ie a thought out planned excursion.... or is it their manifest creativity shining through?

**edit** the reason I wonder about this aspect of purposely thinking it through is that all of my life, I've heard about "letting it go"... ie, stop thinking so damn much about every single little thing and just let the music go... so would purposely thinking something like this through actually hinder your ability to play the music un-colored, untainted so to speak and actually end up negatively effecting things.....

Maybe the reason there are so few people who do this **provided you agree there are some jocks that do in fact accomplish this** is that they don't have to THINK about it, as much as it is just what happens when they let the music go.....

Is this just one of a few other things that naturally set DJ 30 YEARS AND GOING STRONG apart from DJ PLAYING FOR 65 PEOPLE AND TALKIN LIKE I'M TIESTO ?

Peace

I think it can work both ways, but there has to be an understanding of the music. I believe there are some folks that truly study their music; structure, key, meaning behind the track/ song, etc, and think about works well in their mind. It may be planned or rehearsed, but because they have (at the very least) a vague idea of what they want to accomplish, they can create a vibe that can alter a person's mood. Then there are the folks that dont "plan", but once again they know their music, so they also can alter the mood of the listener. I think this type of style caters closer to what FK was refering to in his "trainwreck" thread; in which one could ge from a fast pace, and segue into a much slower track, and vice versa. I mean sometimes, I think its not just about being able to fill a floor with dancers, but also having the dancer just be still, and be "moved" by what is being played in the course of the DJ's set.

Of course, it also helps that the music presented is not shrill sounding; that for me is a deal breaker regardless of whether the DJ is beatmatching or not.

[BrazenMuse]

Psychological like putting something on yo mind and leave yo d... tinglin

Hmm...but those of us who don't have a d... get what out of it?

Deesko & Vic: I think you are both onto something here...there are those with a "gift" so to speak, and those who study hard. There are also those gifted ones who study hard as well... Just having years of experience doesn't automatically translate into DJ mastery...there is something else going on.

It helps, in the case of certain DJs, to attract those likely to go with you on your journey no matter how idiosyncratic it might be...

[DUBFLY]

:jpshakehead:Hey Peeps don’t ya think sometime we get a little too deep with this stuff at what point did being a DJ get so damm complicated !

I remember tha times when it used to be so much fun. Now two DJs can’t even own tha same record.

[AMc]

:jpshakehead:Hey Peeps don’t ya think sometime we get a little too deep with this stuff at what point did being a DJ get so damm complicated !

I remember tha times when it used to be so much fun. Now two DJs can’t even own tha same record.

A DJ that makes things less complicated concentrates on what really needs to be done - being part of a fun atmosphere and playing tunes that hit the right nerve at the right time.

I found DJ'ing to a weekly audience (and getting a decent response) fairly simple. It was harder deciding what tracks to buy at the record store than DJ'ing live.

[S&S]

Off Topic But:

I'll bet homeboy got paid real well for this gig, I'll say MANY jocks here on DHP would turn down gig like this because its too mainstream

http://www.officeodyssey.com/images/mickeyd.gif

[BrazenMuse]

:jpshakehead:Hey Peeps don’t ya think sometime we get a little too deep with this stuff at what point did being a DJ get so damm complicated !

I remember tha times when it used to be so much fun. Now two DJs can’t even own tha same record.


ummm....who said they couldn't? No. Being a DJ can be very complicated...or not...we aren't allowed to discuss it and think about it? C'mon...where's your sense of fun?