Clinton Obama Ticket not so far fetched after all.....

[Chuck P]

http://www.yahoo.com/s/824403

[JMJ]

Fuck her!......JMJ :wtf:

[KBig]

http://www.yahoo.com/s/824403


he is in the lead in the popular vote (wond more states than she) and ahead in the Delegate count...

Seems to me she should be the VP IF that happens.

[JMJ]

he is in the lead in the popular vote (wond more states than she) and ahead in the Delegate count...

Seems to me she should be the VP IF that happens.

She's trying to spin shit to sway the vote her way. She needs Obama way more than he needs her at this point......JMJ

[E-Phi]

he is in the lead in the popular vote (wond more states than she) and ahead in the Delegate count...

Seems to me she should be the VP IF that happens.
She knows she'll never catch up in delegate count. Plus she believes she can win/carry the "red" states (aka Texas). Then again, she didn't win Texas by much at all (not enough to garner more delegates).

[KBig]

He needs to take the gloves off now....


She is selling some imaginary shyt. SHE CANT WIN NOT EVEN WITH THE SUPER DELS at this point.


He has the popular vote, the Delegate count and she cant make up the difference.

[TAC]

This is hilarious....

Here's the delegate split in the recent

Ohio
73 Clinton
62 Obama

Rhode Island
13 Clinton
8 Obama

Texas
46 Clinton
34 Obama

Vermont
9 Obama
6 Clinton

Seems to me that she's sailing a sinking ship.

[KBig]

This is hilarious....

Here's the delegate split in the recent

Ohio
73 Clinton
62 Obama

Rhode Island
13 Clinton
8 Obama

Texas
46 Clinton
34 Obama

Vermont
9 Obama
6 Clinton

Seems to me that she's sailing a sinking ship.

and SPINNING THE PHUCC OUT OF IT like she is winning.

[E-Phi]

He needs to take the gloves off now....


She is selling some imaginary shyt. SHE CANT WIN NOT EVEN WITH THE SUPER DELS at this point.


He has the popular vote, the Delegate count and she cant make up the difference.
You sure folks want to see an "angry" black man? Better yet, that damn ad about the red phone hints of using negative sterotypes. Who would you rather have to deal with at 3am in the morning...a black man or an older white woman? IMO

[Mr.I]

I don't know WHAT to think now! :conf44:

[TAB.]

Fuck her!......JMJ :wtf:

By the time Clinton's camp gets through beating up Obama, in the next 7 weeks, if this results in her somehow getting what she needs to eventually get 'awarded' the Nomination, Barack's supporters will be voicing that sentiment. That is why she made the premature overature.

Question is will the Obama base, support her in November? Or will y'all stay home? I know no one's going to admit this on the DHP. :icon_rofl:

Someone on CNN said, a split Dem primary has always resulted in a loss in November.

[DJ Loka]

By the time Clinton's camp gets through beating up Obama, in the next 7 weeks, if this results in her somehow getting what she needs to eventually get 'awarded' the Nomination, Barack's supporters will be voicing that sentiment. That is why she made the premature overature.

Question is will the Obama base, support her in November? Or will y'all stay home? I know no one's going to admit this on the DHP. :icon_rofl:

Someone on CNN said, a split Dem primary has always resulted in a loss in November.


well this is one reason why hillary's ability to carry democratic states is important...no one knows or can actually 'factor in' the majority of obamas supporters because they're, for the most part...new.

if they stay home, will it matter?

[Armento]

I've been against this possible joint ticket and I still have a weird feeling about it. But today the thought entered my mind that since she is getting almost 1/2 of the democratic vote maybe just maybe we shouldn't dismiss her so fast. Traditional democrats might really like that. And she might be good as the head of senate. Just think of some douche bag like Rick Santorum trying to mouth off and Hillary saying shut the fuck up.

[TAB.]

well this is one reason why hillary's ability to carry democratic states is important...no one knows or can actually 'factor in' the majority of obamas supporters because they're, for the most part...new.

if they stay home, will it matter?

We're talking about the voters that were potential Clinton voters, that switched to Obama.-Part of the Democratic Base. And considering the Independent voters may go to McCain, she's gonna need the party's base to show up. My question was , are those folks going to begrudgingly show up, or just say fuggit, and hand this thing to Mccain?

[DJ Loka]

We're talking about the voters that were potential Clinton voters, that switched to Obama.-Part of the Democratic Base. And considering the Independent voters may go to McCain, she's gonna need the party's base to show up. My question was , are those folks going to begrudgingly show up, or just say fuggit, and hand this thing to Mccain?


by november everyone will have had time to allow their grudges to heal.

:conf44: but who knows?


i've wanted the dream ticket since the very beginning :)

[Rom]

Looks like after the caucus numbers are included, Texas will be a total split delegate wise. Its highly unlikely that Hillary will be able catch Obama in the delegate department with him basically spliting the delegates with her in races she's supposed to win by wide margins, especially having weathered a barage of negative campaining. So, ultimately, Obama should get the nomination even if he stays on the high road from here on out.

That said, we must take note at the skill with which Hillary campaigns. This is an election and like it or not, mud slinging is part of the process. Millions of people have donated millions of dollars to Hillary and out of respect to her supporters...its only prudent that she do 'whatever it takes' to try to win this. We may not like it, but its her duty so to speak. Hillary has proven to me that she can mudsling with the best of em, this past week has been one mud bomb after another AND this why Obama did not blow her away yesterday. So we have to be honest and understand that, while unpaltiable to many of us, these tactics are effective. Now, we know the repubs will stoop to any level to win the presidency. Why would we NOT want Hillary on the bill as VEEP? I think once Obama is assured the nomination it will not be TOO difficult for Hillary to spin her support behind Obama and neither would be THAT difficult for us with rational minds to forgive her tactics and ACCEPT her support and her SKILLS on the campaign trail vs the repubs. She's a dirty fighter yes but who wouldnt have her at their backs in the war we've got coming vs the repubs. I say let bygones be bygones (as long as she doesnt go too much farther, ie damage the whole damn party in her zeal) and if she'll have the VP post...lets roll Obama/Clinton stylee.

What do yall think?

[Chuck P]

MSNBC brought up the fact that the DNC may have to ask Michigan and Fla to re vote in order for their delagates to count before the convention.......

I'm not sure how I feel about that....

[Moksha]

MSNBC brought up the fact that the DNC may have to ask Michigan and Fla to re vote in order for their delagates to count before the convention.......

I'm not sure how I feel about that....

Why? You don't dig democracy?

[mhd]

Looks like after the caucus numbers are included, Texas will be a total split delegate wise. Its highly unlikely that Hillary will be able catch Obama in the delegate department with him basically spliting the delegates with her in races she's supposed to win by wide margins, especially having weathered a barage of negative campaining. So, ultimately, Obama should get the nomination even if he stays on the high road from here on out.

That said, we must take note at the skill with which Hillary campaigns. This is an election and like it or not, mud slinging is part of the process. Millions of people have donated millions of dollars to Hillary and out of respect to her supporters...its only prudent that she do 'whatever it takes' to try to win this. We may not like it, but its her duty so to speak. Hillary has proven to me that she can mudsling with the best of em, this past week has been one mud bomb after another AND this why Obama did not blow her away yesterday. So we have to be honest and understand that, while unpaltiable to many of us, these tactics are effective. Now, we know the repubs will stoop to any level to win the presidency. Why would we NOT want Hillary on the bill as VEEP? I think once Obama is assured the nomination it will not be TOO difficult for Hillary to spin her support behind Obama and neither would be THAT difficult for us with rational minds to forgive her tactics and ACCEPT her support and her SKILLS on the campaign trail vs the repubs. She's a dirty fighter yes but who wouldnt have her at their backs in the war we've got coming vs the repubs. I say let bygones be bygones (as long as she doesnt go too much farther, ie damage the whole damn party in her zeal) and if she'll have the VP post...lets roll Obama/Clinton stylee.

What do yall think?


there is no skill at mudslinging, moreover, there is no one more vulnerable to mudslinging than hilary

[david_mancuso]

he is in the lead in the popular vote (won more states than she) and ahead in the Delegate count...

Seems to me she should be the VP IF that happens.

Greetings KBig:)


Seems reasonable rather than having the Democratic party fall apart and we end up with dumb and dumber (McPain/Bu$hit) for the next 8 years.

Day by day we are getting to the threshold where no election will help anymore. I think that Ben Franklin said it best in "Beware of the power behind the throne."

Perhaps the the time is coming, to throw the tea into the harbor, once again.

[david_mancuso]

Looks like after the caucus numbers are included, Texas will be a total split delegate wise. Its highly unlikely that Hillary will be able catch Obama in the delegate department with him basically spliting the delegates with her in races she's supposed to win by wide margins, especially having weathered a barage of negative campaining. So, ultimately, Obama should get the nomination even if he stays on the high road from here on out.

That said, we must take note at the skill with which Hillary campaigns. This is an election and like it or not, mud slinging is part of the process. Millions of people have donated millions of dollars to Hillary and out of respect to her supporters...its only prudent that she do 'whatever it takes' to try to win this. We may not like it, but its her duty so to speak. Hillary has proven to me that she can mudsling with the best of em, this past week has been one mud bomb after another AND this why Obama did not blow her away yesterday. So we have to be honest and understand that, while unpaltiable to many of us, these tactics are effective. Now, we know the repubs will stoop to any level to win the presidency. Why would we NOT want Hillary on the bill as VEEP? I think once Obama is assured the nomination it will not be TOO difficult for Hillary to spin her support behind Obama and neither would be THAT difficult for us with rational minds to forgive her tactics and ACCEPT her support and her SKILLS on the campaign trail vs the repubs. She's a dirty fighter yes but who wouldnt have her at their backs in the war we've got coming vs the repubs. I say let bygones be bygones (as long as she doesnt go too much farther, ie damage the whole damn party in her zeal) and if she'll have the VP post...lets roll Obama/Clinton stylee.

What do yall think?

"Now, we know the repubs will stoop to any level to win the presidency."

-Rom
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Watergate/Nixon years.

Republician Party: The Samuel Adams and Abe Lincoln debates were a better time for them.

d.

[Huey P. Freeman]

By the time Clinton's camp gets through beating up Obama, in the next 7 weeks, if this results in her somehow getting what she needs to eventually get 'awarded' the Nomination, Barack's supporters will be voicing that sentiment. That is why she made the premature overature.

Question is will the Obama base, support her in November? Or will y'all stay home? I know no one's going to admit this on the DHP. :icon_rofl:

Someone on CNN said, a split Dem primary has always resulted in a loss in November.I have stated repeatedly if she wins the nomination I will stay home on election day. My vote has to be earned. To date, through her antics, she has only earned my disdain. Before this I was always pro Bill/Hillary. The shit they have pulled throughout this primary has killed every bit of respect that I ever had for either.

[Kristel 75]

I have stated repeatedly if she wins the nomination I will stay home on election day. My vote has to be earned. To date, through her antics, she has only earned my disdain. Before this I was always pro Bill/Hillary. The shit they have pulled throughout this primary has killed every bit of respect that I ever had for either.

My sentiments exactly. If she wins the nomination, I may move to Canada because she will lose.

[JMJ]

I wouldn't vote for her if she "won" the nomination, not even as the lesser of two evils (McCain being the other).

Obama or bust this time around for me......JMJ

[Ernest Fountain]

damn.

[TAB.]

I have stated repeatedly if she wins the nomination I will stay home on election day. My vote has to be earned. To date, through her antics, she has only earned my disdain. Before this I was always pro Bill/Hillary. The shit they have pulled throughout this primary has killed every bit of respect that I ever had for either.

Not even with Obie as Veep? I believe this was behind her 're-evalution' of a split ticket.

[KBig]

I wouldn't vote for her if she "won" the nomination, not even as the lesser of two evils (McCain being the other).

Obama or bust this time around for me......JMJ


I hate to say it but Im really feeling like this too.

[Armento]

I wouldn't vote for her if she "won" the nomination, not even as the lesser of two evils (McCain being the other).

Obama or bust this time around for me......JMJ
I think we need to start a petition in email form and send it to DNC. Because we are going to have so many people with this sentiment.

[JMJ]

I hate to say it but Im really feeling like this too.

Let's let Obama take care of bidness (beat Hillary's ass) - problem solved.

And I hope he's not thinking of having her as his running mate - she'll make him "disappear" in the Clinton tradition.......JMJ

[DJ Loka]

well f-it then

i lose nada by voting mccain...

not.a.damn.thing.

my little life will roll along just fine....i work for 80%republicans and these mf's STAY RICH.

i'm convinced the democrats are a bunch of self-centered masochists that cut their nose off to spite their faces...why am i BOTHERING with this party?

let's all just say fuck it if we dont get our way.

excellent.

[Fletch]

Stay home = Kill the process!

[Kristel 75]

Not even with Obie as Veep? I believe this was behind her 're-evalution' of a split ticket.

Nope. Not for me.

[Kristel 75]

This is what I'll be singing in 2009...

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.


:coolgleamA:

[TAB.]

well f-it then

i lose nada by voting mccain...

not.a.damn.thing.

my little life will roll along just fine....i work for 80%republicans and these mf's STAY RICH.

i'm convinced the democrats are a bunch of self-centered masochists that cut their nose off to spite their faces...why am i BOTHERING with this party?

let's all just say fuck it if we dont get our way.

excellent.

You know the 'Elephant in the Room' is that 'some' Dems don't think McCain is that bad.

I'd find him to be a fine possible President, if it wasn't for the 100 year Iraq thing, support for Bush's Economic policy, the Supreme Court Pick, The flip on the Confed flag, the flip on waterboarding ban, His stance on Abortion,....

Oh, well maybe I'll just write somebody in, in November... :biglaugha:

[DJ Loka]

You know the 'Elephant in the Room' is that 'some' Dems don't think McCain is that bad.

I'd find him to be a fine possible President, if it wasn't for the 100 year Iraq thing, support for Bush's Economic policy, the Supreme Court Pick, The flip on the Confed flag, the flip on waterboarding ban, His stance on Abortion,....

Oh, well maybe I'll just write somebody in, in November... :biglaugha:


i'm soooo over THE IMMATURITY OF THE WHOLE GATDAMN THING.

they are on the same fucking team, and turning hillary into the devil, and obama into a god...is counterproductive to the TEAM...cuts off OPTIONS and flexibility, and exacerbates and deepens inherent weakness in the democratic party that republicans exploit over and over again.

hello- DONT EAT YOUR OWN. these are the two strongest players, and they do need each other to win the whitehouse.


NEITHER candidate can pull out the required delegates. thats reality.

so everyone needs to get the F over it, grab the others hand and start singing kumbaya dammit.

and if obamas supporters are gonna freaking hold their breath like babies, f-that...imma vote mccain or nader and start packing for london.

:madani:


(boy that felt good):grinyes::icon_rofl:

[Ernest Fountain]

dang people... for a bunch of folks who claim they have thick skin...

sheesh...

[AK]

Let's let Obama take care of bidness (beat Hillary's ass) - problem solved.

And I hope he's not thinking of having her as his running mate - she'll make him "disappear" in the Clinton tradition.......JMJ

It would certainly not be his choice. Now, is it possible she could be forced upon him as part of a "resolution" of this matter? Yes.

[Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand]

I wouldn't vote for her if she "won" the nomination, not even as the lesser of two evils (McCain being the other).

Obama or bust this time around for me......JMJ

I concur. Phucc Hilary,I can't stand her, she is a woman when she wants to be.

[AK]

And by the way, congrats to her. Whatever we may think of the tactics, she ran a hard and strong campaign for Ohio and Texas. I respect her for continually finding a way to slip the knockout punch. So far...

[Huey P. Freeman]

well f-it then

i lose nada by voting mccain...

not.a.damn.thing.

my little life will roll along just fine....i work for 80%republicans and these mf's STAY RICH.

i'm convinced the democrats are a bunch of self-centered masochists that cut their nose off to spite their faces...why am i BOTHERING with this party?

let's all just say fuck it if we dont get our way.

excellent.Or the alternative would be to concern yourself with your vote. If you condone the bullshit Hillary has done during the primary season then by all means reward her with your vote. As far as mine goes it's mine to do with as I please.

[Huey P. Freeman]

i'm soooo over THE IMMATURITY OF THE WHOLE GATDAMN THING.

they are on the same fucking team, and turning hillary into the devil, and obama into a god...is counterproductive to the TEAM...cuts off OPTIONS and flexibility, and exacerbates and deepens inherent weakness in the democratic party that republicans exploit over and over again.

hello- DONT EAT YOUR OWN. these are the two strongest players, and they do need each other to win the whitehouse.


NEITHER candidate can pull out the required delegates. thats reality.

so everyone needs to get the F over it, grab the others hand and start singing kumbaya dammit.

and if obamas supporters are gonna freaking hold their breath like babies, f-that...imma vote mccain or nader and start packing for london.

:madani:


(boy that felt good):grinyes::icon_rofl:What color is the sky in your simple little world?


P.S. The conservatives aren't embracing McCain due to his past relationship with the party either.

[DJ Loka]

What color is the sky in your simple little world?


P.S. The conservatives aren't embracing McCain due to his past relationship with the party either.

true about the conservatives, but as of last night???

they'll vote for him.

republicans understand the big picture, will grudgingly put their shit aside and move their team to victory for the good of the whole.

and this, in a nutshell is why democrats lose elections. democrtas do it to themselves.

[Armento]

true about the conservatives, but as of last night???

they'll vote for him.

republicans understand the big picture, will grudgingly put their shit aside and move their team to victory for the good of the whole.

and this, in a nutshell is why democrats lose elections. democrtas do it to themselves.
it's true.. thinking is what hurts us

[Huey P. Freeman]

it's true.. thinking is what hurts usRepublicans have no shame. It's pathetic.

[mhd]

And by the way, congrats to her. Whatever we may think of the tactics, she ran a hard and strong campaign for Ohio and Texas. I respect her for continually finding a way to slip the knockout punch. So far...

its amazing how vulnerable to negative campaigning she is, she scored points on a few small issues, rezko, 3 am, nafta, etc. but there is a ton of stuff in her baggage that literall dwarfs any obama negatives from her personally and bill collectively that will be all over the place if she wins the primary, too bad obama is too much of a gentleman to play on her level, had he just mentioned a few he wins texas hands down and wins ohio as well.

somebody has to remind voters just how sleazy things were during clinton's admn, you can bet the repubs will, regardless of what mccain says now, he won't have a bit of control over it either

[DJ Loka]

it's true.. thinking is what hurts us


well NOTHING will change if democrats don't win the white house.

let's all think about that.

[Armento]

well NOTHING will change if democrats don't win the white house.

let's all think about that.
i know i hear you... dude sang 'bomb Iran'

[Mr.I]

I don't think her negative ads helped her at all - she could have been all hugs and kisses with Obama and would have STILL won Texas and Ohio, that's just the way it is

[mhd]

if voters are swayed by 3 am ads, then hilary is unelectable, she is only carrying roughly 60+ % of her base in women, losing 90% of the black vote, many of those voters will not turnout for her in the general and barack has run a clean campaign without mentioning that mountain of debris stuffed in the closet

[mhd]

I don't think her negative ads helped her at all - she could have been all hugs and kisses with Obama and would have STILL won Texas and Ohio, that's just the way it is

sorry, the facts speak otherwise

[Huey P. Freeman]

well NOTHING will change if democrats don't win the white house.

let's all think about that.Hillary won't win the White House. The Repubs are begging to go against her. Just listen to the Repub pundits. The reason they want to go against Hillary is because they are sure they can beat her.

[Huey P. Freeman]

if voters are swayed by 3 am ads, then hilary is unelectable, she is only carrying roughly 60+ % of her base in women, losing 90% of the black vote, many of those voters will not turnout for her in the general and barack has run a clean campaign without mentioning that mountain of debris stuffed in the closetExactly.

[Mr.I]

sorry, the facts speak otherwise

You think Latinos and whites in Texas 'really' were swayed by her ads - they made up their minds LONG before those ads aired

[mhd]

You think Latinos and whites in Texas 'really' were swayed by her ads - they made up their minds LONG before those ads aired

agreed, for the most part, she won the popular vote by 3% and is currently losing the caucus by 12% points, so, those ads hlped sway late deciders, he was way behind and trending up with heavy momentum which was only slowed in the last 3-4 days running up to the vote

[dj c-los]

You think Latinos and whites in Texas 'really' were swayed by her ads - they made up their minds LONG before those ads aired

why dont you ask texan (latino's or whites) about this.

[AK]

its amazing how vulnerable to negative campaigning she is, she scored points on a few small issues, rezko, 3 am, nafta, etc. but there is a ton of stuff in her baggage that literall dwarfs any obama negatives from her personally and bill collectively that will be all over the place if she wins the primary, too bad obama is too much of a gentleman to play on her level, had he just mentioned a few he wins texas hands down and wins ohio as well.

somebody has to remind voters just how sleazy things were during clinton's admn, you can bet the repubs will, regardless of what mccain says now, he won't have a bit of control over it either

So very true. Some mistakes were made and opportunities lost in the last few days, but I'm not at all worried. I don't think you'll see the Obama campaign get "dirty" per se, but you will see more pointed attacks about her so-called experience, particularly with respect to foreign policy and perhaps her tax returns and first lady papers. We've politely demurred up until now on the foreign policy/3:00 a.m. crap, but the reality is she has virtually no foreign policy experience whatsoever. In fact, on a Clinton conference call last week a reporter asked her campaign manager what crisis experience she has had that qualifies her to answer the "red phone" at 3:00 a.m. There was silence for 10 seconds. They couldn't think of anything. This stuff has to be pointed out. Again, we missed some opportunities, IMHO.

[mhd]

why dont you ask texan (latino's or whites) about this.

they did, its called exit polling. in any event, whats your take, you fit that demographic

[dj c-los]

they did, its called exit polling. in any event, whats your take, you fit that demographic

it came. we voted.
Hillary reconnected.
McCain was an obvious win.
Obama, nice guy, but his "ground troops" were turning people off. IMO

this just isnt my p.o.v. as a matter of fact, a good 12 of us hit a happy hour last night and chatted about this.

but it's over in Texas so we'll just see what happens next.

[TAC]

[snip...]continually finding a way to slip the knockout punch. So far...

Chuckle....



Some mistakes were made and opportunities lost in the last few days, but I'm not at all worried. I don't think you'll see the Obama campaign get "dirty" per se, but you will see more pointed attacks about her so-called experience, particularly with respect to foreign policy and perhaps her tax returns and first lady papers. We've politely demurred up until now on the foreign policy/3:00 a.m. crap, but the reality is she has virtually no foreign policy experience whatsoever.


In fact, on a Clinton conference call last week a reporter asked her campaign manager what crisis experience she has had that qualifies her to answer the "red phone" at 3:00 a.m. There was silence for 10 seconds. They couldn't think of anything. This stuff has to be pointed out. Again, we missed some opportunities, IMHO.

I was wondering what was gonna be in that so far bag. Watching with glee!!!

Also the use of "we". Very telling.... Very telling Padawan...

[mhd]

it came. we voted.
Hillary reconnected.
McCain was an obvious win.
Obama, nice guy, but his "ground troops" were turning people off. IMO

this just isnt my p.o.v. as a matter of fact, a good 12 of us hit a happy hour last night and chatted about this.

but it's over in Texas so we'll just see what happens next.

appreciate your response, what do you mean by turning people off?

[TAC]

appreciate your response, what do you mean by turning people off?

BO?

[mhd]

So very true. Some mistakes were made and opportunities lost in the last few days, but I'm not at all worried. I don't think you'll see the Obama campaign get "dirty" per se, but you will see more pointed attacks about her so-called experience, particularly with respect to foreign policy and perhaps her tax returns and first lady papers. We've politely demurred up until now on the foreign policy/3:00 a.m. crap, but the reality is she has virtually no foreign policy experience whatsoever. In fact, on a Clinton conference call last week a reporter asked her campaign manager what crisis experience she has had that qualifies her to answer the "red phone" at 3:00 a.m. There was silence for 10 seconds. They couldn't think of anything. This stuff has to be pointed out. Again, we missed some opportunities, IMHO.

i agree on not getting dirty, but, he has to be aggressive, at least on his strengths, and not on the defenesive, there is no way that info from the conf call was not made available

[AK]

Redemption Along the High Road
Why Obama Should Not Match Clinton’s Tricks
By Melissa Harris-Lacewell
TheRoot.com
Updated: 7:28 AM ET Mar 5, 2008
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Barack Obama is often compared to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. because of his soaring rhetoric and charismatic grace. But on Tuesday I night I realized that Obama is more like King in another way: He is leading a 21<SUP>st </SUP>Century non-violent, political campaign.

Over the past week the kitchen sink came flying at Obama, the political equivalent of Selma tear gas and vicious Birmingham dogs. The Clinton campaign tried painting Obama with the “scary Muslim” label by releasing a photo of him in Somali dress. Hillary whined that she was being treated unfairly during the debates, even as she piled on in a ruthless and unwarranted exchange that floated the suggestion that Barack was an anti-Semite.She ignored her decades of political entanglements with dozens of indicted and convicted felons while charging Obama with having secret negotiations with Canada to assuage fears about his stance on NAFTA. She declared that because she was a woman, her Presidency would represent change, even though her current fighting tactics and those she would resort to in a battle against McCain are recycled tricks from her eight years of living in the White House.

Many Obama supporters are angry and desperately want Barack to fight back. Time to pick up the mud and get to slingin’! But Barack is asking us to do something different. He is asking us to trust that he is tough enough to absorb the blows and remain firmly planted on the political high road he is trying to blaze for the country. Sound familiar? Dr. King understood the natural human instinct to defend oneself against attack. But he believed that only by not reciprocating with viciousness can people reveal their attackers for what they are and create a more just world.

When Obama made the choice to run for President, he did something that Hillary Clinton lacked the courage to do in 2004. He decided to seek the Presidency even though it was not yet “his turn.” Four years ago Hillary Clinton stayed safely ensconced in the Senate even though Americans were suffering from worsening educational outcomes, accelerating environmental degradation and the deepening failure of our war efforts under W’s administration.Rather than challenge an incumbent President, Hillary bided her time and waited for an open seat race. When she announced her candidacy it was because she felt nearly assured of an easy path to victory.

Obama could have followed Clinton’s lead and simply waited until he had a less formidable opponent. His fierce urgency was not driven solely by a desire to change policy, but also by the need to change our politics. He saw a demobilized and demoralized electorate that no longer believes their voices matter. By getting into the race he called cynical voters to their higher and better selves. For six weeks this movement of a new American politics has swept up voters of every demographic and in every region. And over the past week it has been severely tested.

On Monday night I had dinner with my friend and colleague James Cone, the father of black liberation theology. I expressed to him my fears that the smear machine would defeat Barack and that it might be time to fight back with every dirty secret and low tactic possible.
Cone put down his fork, looked at me unblinking and said, “Melissa, you must remember that undeserved suffering is redemptive.”

We cannot abandon the high road just because it is rocky. We must peer even harder into our unknowable future to try to see a beloved community that is outlined there. Nobody promised us a crystal stair, but it is time to keep climbing.

Melissa Harris-Lacewell is Associate Professor of Politics and African American Studies at Princeton University.

[david_mancuso]

by november everyone will have had time to allow their grudges to heal.

:conf44: but who knows?


i've wanted the dream ticket since the very beginning :)

:)

Obama steering the ship (judgement), HC the tail lights (experience = where we have already been).

[AK]

Chuckle....






I was wondering what was gonna be in that so far bag. Watching with glee!!!

Also the use of "we". Very telling.... Very telling Padawan...

:wink:

[dj c-los]

appreciate your response, what do you mean by turning people off?

i honestly don't want to get into that.
i cant speak in behalf of Texas but let me tell you this story.
there were many undecided voters walking around. But when "Obama-mania" hit over here they were showing clips of "Obama supporters" talking about "it was like Jesus was here (Toyota Center)." "There was a spiritual connection...."

I'm from Chicago and we are relxed up there but here in Texas....:jpshakehead:....this is a country of it's own with deep Christian roots. I'm sure the media wasn't trying to bash but too much of something can be bad too.

But Obama picked up delegates and forty some percent. He didn't do bad.

I also started a thread yesterday that no one responded on. People were catching on to that. Now they have a different view of what they feel is happning. Look up my last thread. It was something about a handout i got. Will they vote for Obama again? maybe.

[AK]

Obama Wins! No matter what happens tonight, It is OVER! (http://melissaharrislacewell.com/Blog/?p=45)

<SMALL>March 4th, 2008 <!-- by melissah -->Posted in Uncategorized (http://melissaharrislacewell.com/Blog/?cat=1) | 3 Comments » (http://melissaharrislacewell.com/Blog/?p=45#comments)</SMALL>
Hillary’s Math Problem<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:P></O:P>
Forget tonight. She could win 16 straight and still lose.<O:P></O:P>
By Jonathan Alter (http://services.newsweek.com/search.aspx?q=Author:%5E%22jonathan%20alter%22$&sortDirection=descending&sortField=pubdatetime)<O:P></O:P>
Newsweek Web Exclusive<O:P></O:P>
Updated: 11:23 AM ET Mar 4, 2008
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Hillary Clinton may be poised for a big night tonight, with wins in <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Ohio</ST1:STATE>, <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Texas</ST1:STATE> and <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Rhode Island</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>. <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Clinton</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE> aides say this will be the beginning of her comeback against Barack Obama. There’s only one problem with this analysis: they can’t count.<O:P></O:P>
I’m no good at math either, but with the help of Slate’s Delegate Calculator (http://slate.com/id/2185278/) I’ve scoped out the rest of the primaries, and even if you assume huge Hillary wins from here on out, the numbers don’t look good for <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Clinton</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE>. In order to show how deep a hole she’s in, I’ve given her the benefit of the doubt every week for the rest of the primaries.
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So here we go: Let’s assume Hillary beats expectations and wins <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Ohio</ST1:STATE> tonight 55-45, <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Rhode Island</ST1:STATE> 55-45, <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Texas</ST1:STATE>, 53-47 and (this is highly improbable), ties in <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Vermont</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>, 50-50.
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Then it’s on to <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Wyoming</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE> on Saturday, where, let’s say, the momentum of today helps her win 53-47. Next Tuesday in <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Mississippi</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>—where African-Americans play a big role in the Democratic primary—she shocks the political world by winning 52-48.
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Then on April 22, the big one, <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Pennsylvania</ST1:STATE>—and it’s a Hillary blowout, 60-40, with <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Clinton</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE> picking up a whopping 32 delegates. She wins both of Guam’s two delegates on May 30, and <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Indiana</ST1:STATE>’s proximity to <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Illinois</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE> does Obama no good on May 6, with the Hoosiers going for Hillary 55-45. The same day brings another huge upset in a heavily African-American state: enough <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">North Carolina</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE> blacks desert Obama to give the state to Hillary 52-48, netting her five more delegates. <O:P></O:P>
Suppose May 13 in <ST1:STATE w:st="on">West Virginia</ST1:STATE> is no kinder to Obama, and he loses by double digits, netting <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Clinton</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE> two delegates. The identical 55-45 result on May 20 in <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Kentucky</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE> nets her five more. The same day brings <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Oregon</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>, a classic Obama state. Oops! He loses there 52-48. Hillary wins by 10 in <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Montana</ST1:STATE> and <ST1:STATE w:st="on">South Dakota</ST1:STATE> on June 3, and primary season ends on June 7 in <ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Puerto Rico</ST1:PLACE> with another big Viva <ST1:CITY w:st="on">Clinton</ST1:CITY>! Hillary pulls off a 60-40 landslide, giving her another 11 delegates. She has enjoyed a string of 16 victories in a row over three months.
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So at the end of regulation, Hillary’s the nominee, right? Actually, this much-too-generous scenario (which doesn’t even account for <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Texas</ST1:STATE>’s weird “pri-caucus” system, which favors Obama in delegate selection) still leaves the pledged-delegate score at 1,634 for Obama to 1,576 for <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Clinton</ST1:CITY></ST1:PLACE>. That’s a 58-delegate lead. <O:P></O:P>
Let’s say the Democratic National Committee schedules do-overs in <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Florida</ST1:STATE> and (heavily African-American) <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Michigan</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>. Hillary wins big yet again. But the chances of her netting 56 delegates out of those two states would require two more huge margins. (Unfortunately the Slate calculator isn’t helping me here.)
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So no matter how you cut it, Obama will almost certainly end the primaries with a pledged-delegate lead, courtesy of all those landslides in February. Hillary would then have to convince the uncommitted superdelegates to reverse the will of the people. Even coming off a big Hillary winning streak, few if any superdelegates will be inclined to do so. For politicians to upend what the voters have decided might be a tad, well, suicidal.
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For all of those who have been trashing me for saying this thing is over (http://www.newsweek.com/id/114725), please feel free to do your own math. Give Hillary 75 percent in <ST1:STATE w:st="on">Kentucky</ST1:STATE> and <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Indiana</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>. Give her a blowout in <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Oregon</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>. You will still have a hard time getting her through the process with a pledged-delegate lead.
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The Clintonites can spin to their heart’s content about how Obama can’t carry any large states besides <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:STATE w:st="on">Illinois</ST1:STATE></ST1:PLACE>. How he can’t close the deal. How they’ve got the Big Mo now.
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Tell it to Slate’s Delegate Calculator.<O:P></O:P>

[david_mancuso]

So very true. Some mistakes were made and opportunities lost in the last few days, but I'm not at all worried. I don't think you'll see the Obama campaign get "dirty" per se, but you will see more pointed attacks about her so-called experience, particularly with respect to foreign policy and perhaps her tax returns and first lady papers. We've politely demurred up until now on the foreign policy/3:00 a.m. crap, but the reality is she has virtually no foreign policy experience whatsoever. In fact, on a Clinton conference call last week a reporter asked her campaign manager what crisis experience she has had that qualifies her to answer the "red phone" at 3:00 a.m. There was silence for 10 seconds. They couldn't think of anything. This stuff has to be pointed out. Again, we missed some opportunities, IMHO.


:) Bu$h has let voice mail pick up the messages on the red phone and if McPain gets in, he will probably use the ole' telegraph key to communicate with.

[mhd]

i honestly don't want to get into that.
i cant speak in behalf of Texas but let me tell you this story.
there were many undecided voters walking around. But when "Obama-mania" hit over here they were showing clips of "Obama supporters" talking about "it was like Jesus was here (Toyota Center)." "There was a spiritual connection...."

I'm from Chicago and we are relxed up there but here in Texas....:jpshakehead:....this is a country of it's own with deep Christian roots. I'm sure the media wasn't trying to bash but too much of something can be bad too.

But Obama picked up delegates and forty some percent. He didn't do bad.

I also started a thread yesterday that no one responded on. People were catching on to that. Now they have a different view of what they feel is happning. Look up my last thread. It was something about a handout i got. Will they vote for Obama again? maybe.

much respect, thanks for your insight, and you are correct, you have to know and understand how things are done when you campaign, you have understand local customs and how things are done, that is a fundamental rule

[shanequa sanchez]

this was passed on to me earlier...

http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413

[Rom]

Let's let Obama take care of bidness (beat Hillary's ass) - problem solved.

And I hope he's not thinking of having her as his running mate - she'll make him "disappear" in the Clinton tradition.......JMJ

Oh shit, hadn't thought of it like that...hells naw! Sorry Hillary, yer mos def out of the VP picture!

[Dj Izm]

true about the conservatives, but as of last night???

they'll vote for him.

republicans understand the big picture, will grudgingly put their shit aside and move their team to victory for the good of the whole.

and this, in a nutshell is why democrats lose elections. democrtas do it to themselves.

EXACTLY!!!! These bastards know how to rally behind a cause, no matter how eff'd up it is!!!!!! The dems need to learn how to do this!!!

Oh, by the way, FCUK HILLARY!!!!!!

GO OBAMA!!!!!

[dj c-los]

much respect, thanks for your insight, and you are correct, you have to know and understand how things are done when you campaign, you have understand local customs and how things are done, that is a fundamental rule

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/politics&id=5970856

this raised some eyebrows. did if really hurt him?.....who knows. maybe not.
Clinton was in a sense reconnecting with peeps she's worked with down south.

[Dj Izm]

Here's what I'd like someone to answer for me. Why is it that I have to get delegate counts from CNN/MSNBC/Fox and other news agencies??? Who has the ACCURATE and ACTUAL count?!?!?! This has been bothering me for quite some time. I feel like the superdelegate count is being maintained by the respective candidates. Is this true? Does Dean have the REAL (not RAW) numbers???

Can someone school me on this?

Thanks,

M.

[chldfknungrnd764]

You sure folks want to see an "angry" black man? Better yet, that damn ad about the red phone hints of using negative sterotypes. Who would you rather have to deal with at 3am in the morning...a black man or an older white woman? IMO

No President answers the phone, that ad is total crap.

Unless............................................ .....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o

[mhd]

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/politics&id=5970856

this raised some eyebrows. did if really hurt him?.....who knows. maybe not.
Clinton was in a sense reconnecting with peeps she's worked with down south.

i'm sure it did hurt him, dhp has shown us that religion is a touchy subject and many would find it offensive to compare him to jesus, even though he does not make the comparison himself

[PlymouthCt711S]

Hillary won't win the White House. The Repubs are begging to go against her. Just listen to the Repub pundits. The reason they want to go against Hillary is because they are sure they can beat her.

????????????Talk about going for the hype.A Clinton-Obama ticket is far-fetched.A former U.S. Supreme Court Clerk stated that if Senator Clinton were the nominee she would likely nominate Senator Obama to the Supreme Court.Senator Obama would make an OUTSTANDING Supreme Court Justice and bring much needed balance to the Court.
If Senator Obama is the nominee,he will likely,give Senator Clinton a Speaker of the House position.

[Dolemite73]

????????????Talk about going for the hype.A Clinton-Obama ticket is far-fetched.A former U.S. Supreme Court Clerk stated that if Senator Clinton were the nominee she would likely nominate Senator Obama to the Supreme Court.Senator Obama would make an OUTSTANDING Supreme Court Justice and bring much needed balance to the Court.
If Senator Obama is the nominee,he will likely,give Senator Clinton a Speaker of the House position.

Speaker of the House? C'mon man, Clinton is a Senator. Geesh.......

[mhd]

Speaker of the House? C'mon man, Clinton is a Senator. Geesh.......

lol, nah, man, he meant hilary would be secretary of communications, answering phones at 3 am an shit

[AK]

lol, nah, man, he meant hilary would be secretary of communications, answering phones at 3 am an shit

lol

[Huey P. Freeman]

lol, nah, man, he meant hilary would be secretary of communications, answering phones at 3 am an shitBwahahahaha!!!! Anyway the Repubs are no fools. They know who they can beat and they are clamoring for Hillary. And they are being upfront about that. The attack machine has endless fodder against her. Not so with Obama.

[Huey P. Freeman]

The Senate's equivalent.Stop nitpicking.That would be the VP's role. Dude do you understand the political structure?

[mhd]

Endless fodder? Name one thing that stuck and wasn't a collossal waste of time and resources.

bill's semen

[Huey P. Freeman]

bill's semenLol. He must have been in a coma in the 90's.

[Huey P. Freeman]

No.I'm clueless.My vote would be in the affirmative.

[AK]

Yesterday was a bit of a bummer, but I'm always one to try to put things in perspective. Yeah, she'll get to enjoy some "winner" press for a few days after a long draught, but this too will pass...and soon. When all is said and done, she will have picked up 5-10 delegates Tuesday night. Not what she was looking for and not what she needed. Let's not forget that the whole time he was whipping her in 11 straight contests, her campaign was talking about these big margins she was going to roll up in Texas and Ohio to get right back in the race. Didn't happen. She was hopelessly behind in pledged delegates before yesterday and she's still hopelessly behind. By next Wednesday, we will have more than recaptured those 5-10 delegates and regained the "winner" mantle. And by Pennsylvania, we'll be even farther ahead. Heck, give her 60-40 in Pennsylvania and she's still hopelessly behind. In short, she can only win if super delegates override the will of the people. if that happens, then I guess it happens and anarchy will ensue.

Good night for Mrs. Clinton, but 12 of the last 15 contests and a huge lead in pledged delegates sounds pretty good to me. Take a deep breath Obama supporters. We are in the driver's seat.

[Dolemite73]

Yesterday was a bit of a bummer, but I'm always one to try to put things in perspective. Yeah, she'll get to enjoy some "winner" press for a few days after a long draught, but this too will pass...and soon. When all is said and done, she will have picked up 5-10 delegates Tuesday night. Not what she was looking for and not what she needed. Let's not forget that the whole time he was whipping her in 11 straight contests, her campaign was talking about these big margins she was going to roll up in Texas and Ohio to get right back in the race. Didn't happen. She was hopelessly behind in pledged delegates before yesterday and she's still hopelessly behind. By next Wednesday, we will have more than recaptured those 5-10 delegates and regained the "winner" mantle. And by Pennsylvania, we'll be even farther ahead. Heck, give her 60-40 in Pennsylvania and she's still hopelessly behind. In short, she can only win if super delegates override the will of the people. if that happens, then I guess it happens and anarchy will ensue.

Good night for Mrs. Clinton, but 12 of the last 15 contests and a huge lead in pledged delegates sounds pretty good to me. Take a deep breath Obama supporters. We are in the driver's seat.

And to top it off, guess who left Texas with the most delegates? This just in from Texas:



Obama could pick up a net gain of three delegates, after all the dust settles. Here’s how Dem officials say that’s possible:

Clinton won the popular vote, and could pick up as many as four delegates from that. Obama appears to be winning the caucus voting on delegates, and could pick up as many as seven delegates there. If that holds true, Obama would end up with three more Texas delegates than Clinton.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/03/05/obama_gain_3_more_delegates.html

[chldfknungrnd764]

Will those Superdelegates factor in now?http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb71/BeautifulRoses11/Smilies/superhero.gif

2008 might turn into 1968 on the floor of the convention, its gonna be a tight one as we approach the big payoff.

[Armento]

lol, nah, man, he meant hilary would be secretary of communications, answering phones at 3 am an shit
:rofl: nice

[chldfknungrnd764]

:rofl: nice

"One ringy dingy"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o

[Huey P. Freeman]

:rofl: nicehttp://kiddleylinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/fisherpricephone.jpg

[Time & Music]

Actual the Obama camp had long ago predicted the states that he will win and lose, Tim Russett had gotten a copy of this document a while back and he say's last night that it is dead on target with what has happen to date. So I would not worry about yesterday. What I would worry about is how far will the Clinton go to get the nomination. I am willing to bet they would sue the DMC if it came down to some issues with the super delates or and Florida and Michigan. I think they will destroy the DEM party just to get back into the white house and that starts with Obama. As for Senator Obama he will not and can not be on the same ticket with her, because he will lose all creditability with his supporters and any politician capital he's gained to date, it also goes completely against his change messages.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Olbermann is funny as hell. He asked if Obama was going to have a 3am ad against Hillary where she answers the phone and the voice asks to speak to Bill. Now that would be hilarious.

[chldfknungrnd764]

Olbermann is funny as hell. He asked if Obama was going to have a 3am ad against Hillary where she answers the phone and the voice asks to speak to Bill. Now that would be hilarious.

Speaking of trust.:rofl5:

[david_mancuso]

Olbermann is funny as hell. He asked if Obama was going to have a 3am ad against Hillary where she answers the phone and the voice asks to speak to Bill. Now that would be hilarious.

The "booty" call

lol !!

[PlymouthCt711S]

My vote would be in the affirmative.

What I'm really clueless about is what Senator Obama did that was so spectacular that Black voters switched from 60% Senator Clinton 40% Senator Obama to 86% Senator Obama 14% Senator Clinton.
President Clinton's remarks which I never heard turned the tide for Senator Obama.Strange that so many would accept out of hand anything from the U.S. media.They achieved the result they were looking for.
The rest of you can forget,but I haven't,that the Main reason President Clinton caught so much Hell is that his right hand man/confidant was a Black Man,Vernon Jordan.

[mhd]

What I'm really clueless about is what Senator Obama did that was so spectacular that Black voters switched from 60% Senator Clinton 40% Senator Obama to 86% Senator Obama 14% Senator Clinton.
President Clinton's remarks which I never heard turned the tide for Senator Obama.Strange that so many would accept out of hand anything from the U.S. media.They achieved the result they were looking for.
The rest of you can forget,but I haven't,that the Main reason President Clinton caught so much Hell is that his right hand man/confidant was a Black Man,Vernon Jordan.

i know you gonna say some stupid shit, but, what are you talking about regarding vernon jordan? monica?

[andrea]

super delegates are going to kill Obama's ride. I heard from one on NPR the other day and the SD's are really looking at experience vs. inexperience and this could make the difference in who gets the democratic nod.

[AK]

i know you gonna say some stupid shit, but, what are you talking about regarding vernon jordan? monica?

Word????

[dj c-los]

super delegates are going to kill Obama's ride. I heard from one on NPR the other day and the SD's are really looking at experience vs. inexperience and this could make the difference in who gets the democratic nod.


theres no reason for the sup's to not cast their votes in at this point. they holdin out for a reason me thinks.

[dj-chefron]

super delegates are going to kill Obama's ride. I heard from one on NPR the other day and the SD's are really looking at experience vs. inexperience and this could make the difference in who gets the democratic nod.If they do that without Clinton leading in the popular vote much less the delegate count they will destroy the democratic party for the next 20 years.Can you imagine the dems. winning without the African- American vote get real there is no way they will that women the nomination without a mandate from the people.

[Shalewa]

super delegates are going to kill Obama's ride. I heard from one on NPR the other day and the SD's are really looking at experience vs. inexperience and this could make the difference in who gets the democratic nod.
If the superdelegates were anywhere close to consensus all of the discussion about what they should do would be moot.

I for one am clear that the only way I am voting Democratic in November is if Obama is at the top of the ticket. If Clinton is veep I might still vote Green (doubt I would go with Nader...). The tone and spirit of her campaign has reenforced my anti-Democratic Party feelings.

[PlymouthCt711S]

i know you gonna say some stupid shit, but, what are you talking about regarding vernon jordan? monica?

That's so ignorant,it's not worthy of a response.

[Dj Izm]

Here's what I'd like someone to answer for me. Why is it that I have to get delegate counts from CNN/MSNBC/Fox and other news agencies??? Who has the ACCURATE and ACTUAL count?!?!?! This has been bothering me for quite some time. I feel like the superdelegate count is being maintained by the respective candidates. Is this true? Does Dean have the REAL (not RAW) numbers???

Can someone school me on this?

Thanks,

M.

Anybody??

[mhd]

Anybody??

not really sure what you are asking, this question has been asked and answered here many times, what is it about the numbers you are getting from cnn or msnbc that you have a problem with? have you checked obama and clinton websites?

[Dj Izm]

not really sure what you are asking, this question has been asked and answered here many times, what is it about the numbers you are getting from cnn or msnbc that you have a problem with? have you checked obama and clinton websites?

My point was that I, like a few million others, are getting delegate counts from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. They all have different numbers. So, my question is WHO or WHAT ENTITY has the REAL COUNT!

I don't have a problem with the counts but they're all different. Shouldn't there be ONE COUNT?!?!?!?!

[mhd]

My point was that I, like a few million others, are getting delegate counts from CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. They all have different numbers. So, my question is WHO or WHAT ENTITY has the REAL COUNT!

I don't have a problem with the counts but they're all different. Shouldn't there be ONE COUNT?!?!?!?!

no, that is not how it works, each state has a different way of calculating votes, some by caucus, some by primary elections where every person casts a vote, in texas they do both, further, the super delegate count changes because people can change their minds. usually the sources that you get data from will explain how or why there are obvious differences in their respective counts but any variance should not be that large

[Dj Izm]

no, that is not how it works, each state has a different way of calculating votes, some by caucus, some by primary elections where every person casts a vote, in texas they do both, further, the super delegate count changes because people can change their minds. usually the sources that you get data from will explain how or why there are obvious differences in their respective counts but any variance should not be that large

Again, I understand that. But WHO or WHAT ENTITY has the EXACT count? I understand how superdelegates work and how that number can change but there seem to be differences in the elected delegate counts too. I simply don't understand why there are "estimates." Doesn't the DNC have the EXACT count? If so, why don't they give the numbers the news services?

[mhd]

Again, I understand that. But WHO or WHAT ENTITY has the EXACT count? I understand how superdelegates work and how that number can change but there seem to be differences in the elected delegate counts too. I simply don't understand why there are "estimates." Doesn't the DNC have the EXACT count? If so, why don't they give the numbers the news services?

i guess you could contact the state party office for each state to get their number, but for some places, texas for example there is no exact number, they stopped counting at a certain point, released their number reserving the right to amend after their state party meets later this month, to be honest with you, at this point, exactitude is not the virtue, most people pick a source or sources to rely on, ex, the obama website and ap and or cnn

[Dj Izm]

i guess you could contact the state party office for each state to get their number, but for some places, texas for example there is no exact number, they stopped counting at a certain point, released their number reserving the right to amend after their state party meets later this month, to be honest with you, at this point, exactitude is not the virtue, most people pick a source or sources to rely on, ex, the obama website and ap and or cnn

Okay. I'll just except the numbers from CNN (within their degree of error).

Thanks,

M.

[david_mancuso]

Had things turned out a little differently, we could have been witnessing a Barack/John Kennedy Jr. ticket.

I guess everything is for a reason.