I'm Latin and wanna buy a house in a white neighborhood

[dj c-los]

I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any.

['Magic' Juan]

You have a right to purchase wherever you want. You may have some trouble with the neighbors, though. Lots of my relatives went through that mess. Plain ignorance.

magic_juan

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. Move to Atlanta. Or better yet, move into a neighborhood regardless of race that you feel is best for you.


If you plan a trip to the south, I'd be more than happy to show you around a couple of white neighborhoods that aren't in the best conditions.

[ October 01, 2003, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. Move to Atlanta. Or better yet, move into a neighborhood regardless of race that you feel is best for you.


If you plan a trip to the south, I'd be more than happy to show you around a couple of white neighborhoods that aren't in the best conditions. </font>[/QUOTE]I am in the South...Houston to be exact.
All nice areas in our cities are filled with white yuppies. That's where I'm headed.
But would it be selling out?

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. You are not selling out if you want better for yourself and eventually for your loved ones....I say go ahead and put in a bid....also, I think the rules of the game has changed in most neighborhoods....green energy(thanks, david) rules....also, I feel you on the "minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance"...you may catch some flack here for this, but the truth is the truth and sometimes it hurts....

Move on....most of us are doing just that....

[AD]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. Just move. Raza is cool and all, but you'll just lose value on your home in the end. Trust me. I've seen it happen. When I get my own pad, you can bet your ass I'm going with whitey. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. Move to Atlanta. Or better yet, move into a neighborhood regardless of race that you feel is best for you.


If you plan a trip to the south, I'd be more than happy to show you around a couple of white neighborhoods that aren't in the best conditions. </font>[/QUOTE]I am in the South...Houston to be exact.
All nice areas in our cities are filled with white yuppies. That's where I'm headed.
But would it be selling out? </font>[/QUOTE]That's a question you need to ask yourself.

Are these people Yuppies, or are they Successful?
The way I see it, being successful isn't exclusive to any race.

[And]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. What do you think? Are you selling out? So if a number of people on here say yes you are selling out you're going to change your mind and buy a house in a minority neighbourhood?

[andrea]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. sorry to say this, but you need to stop thinking so negatively. What is selling out? You want a life you can afford and that doesn't mean you need to stay in the barriio or ghetto is you don't want. It's all about choice. I know many activists who while fighting a cause for better livlihood will snear at you for moving to a nice location. Forget that and do what is best for you. Good luck.

andrea

['Magic' Juan]

I don't know about other areas, but in Chicago the pattern seems to be this: white people are in the neighborhood, a "minority," usually Latino or Black moves in, white people start moving out. Within a year or two, the demographics change and the neighborhood either becomes predominantly Latino or predominantly Black. I know that is what is happening right now where we are at. It was all white about 2 years ago. Latinos started moving in on our block, and now there are 2 Black families on the block over. Suddenly, tons of For Sale signs pop up.

magic_juan

[richierich]

Originally posted by Magic Juan:
I don't know about other areas, but in Chicago the pattern seems to be this: white people are in the neighborhood, a "minority," usually Latino or Black moves in, white people start moving out. Within a year or two, the demographics change and the neighborhood either becomes predominantly Latino or predominantly Black. I know that is what is happening right now where we are at. It was all white about 2 years ago. Latinos started moving in on our block, and now there are 2 Black families on the block over. Suddenly, tons of For Sale signs pop up.

magic_juan Yeah what is that shit...It's like Run they're coming..Run!!

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. What do you think? Are you selling out? So if a number of people on here say yes you are selling out you're going to change your mind and buy a house in a minority neighbourhood? </font>[/QUOTE]Oh hell naw! I'm still going to move in with whitey but alot of threads here talk about:

Q:"what does Africa mena to you..."
A:"beauty..."

Q:"What does LAtin mean to you..."
A:&lt;insert naked women here&gt;

Q:"What does England mean to you..."
A:"rapist, terrorist, kkk...."

People seem so emotional that white folks are devils so am i doing my race justice by moving in with them.

[mhd]

this self-loathing has got to stop

[ultra]

There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.

Who cares if society views you as a 'sellout?' It's about what's good for you and your family. Screw the critics and the labels.

[Mocambo]

You are an adult. You are your own human being. When you die, you will be buried alone. Make your own choices.

[Mocambo]

Originally posted by ultra:
There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.
I do like your neighborhood. I could live there.

[mhd]

i'm curious about your occupation, because what you do everyday influences how you think. you seem to be missing some positive self-esteem.

[darrow]

I don't know what house prices are like down there but hey...you are about to sign on the dotted line for a hefty sum of money (otherwise known as a mortgage) to probably the tune of at least 100K, soooo....F**** whoever tells you you are selling out. It's your money. Buy where you want when you want.

[fred da warrior]

I'm curious, if you can afford to live where you want to live, (and can afford a belt to whip your future kids asses) why are you so concerned about being veiwed a sellout? Seems to me you have "gotten over it" already, right?

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by Magic Juan:
I don't know about other areas, but in Chicago the pattern seems to be this: white people are in the neighborhood, a "minority," usually Latino or Black moves in, white people start moving out. Within a year or two, the demographics change and the neighborhood either becomes predominantly Latino or predominantly Black. I know that is what is happening right now where we are at. It was all white about 2 years ago. Latinos started moving in on our block, and now there are 2 Black families on the block over. Suddenly, tons of For Sale signs pop up.

magic_juan ...and this is why you should move into these neighborhoods...they start to sell, the demand is high, the property value starts to escalate, you position yourself as one of the first minorities in the area, a year or two from the time you buy your house, the value is up over 100-200k, and you can either sell or refinance at a nice profit to you.....don't let the moving out bother you, just make sure you are positioned in a timely manner...if the neighborhood starts to go down after they move out, then you have the option, at a profit, to move out also.

However, the neighborhood, usually takes many years to deteroriate(sp?), because now you have new homeowners who are taking pride in their new property....the neighboorhood also has excellent properties, schools, quick response by the fire and police departments(in the early years), and politicians who listens to you(also in the early years.

....when you see the neighborhood start to turn into a 'rental' neighborhood, then it's time to run!!...this happens when homeowners buy above their comfort level, gets high interest rates(poor credit ratings), and just to make ends meet, they rent every square inch of the property without even living there....when the homeowners are not living at the property in abundance, it's time to cash in and move out!

For now, if you can do it, buy a house in these neighboorhoods.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. I say live where you want. You have(or at least should have) the right to live where ever you want.

[mhd]

Originally posted by fred:
I'm curious, if you can afford to live where you want to live, (and can afford a belt to whip your future kids asses) why are you so concerned about being veiwed a sellout? Seems to me you have "gotten over it" already, right? that's just it, he hasn't, because this country will not let you. some of the comments don't make sense, where is the feeling of improving your community, of leading your community, of being a role model in your community. the latin community in this country is in an incredible point in history, why not be a part of that. you are in houston, right, clos? do you really think "they" want you in "their" neighborhood?

[And]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 6 23:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. What do you think? Are you selling out? So if a number of people on here say yes you are selling out you're going to change your mind and buy a house in a minority neighbourhood? </font>[/QUOTE]Oh hell naw! I'm still going to move in with whitey but alot of threads here talk about:

Q:"what does Africa mena to you..."
A:"beauty..."

Q:"What does LAtin mean to you..."
A:&lt;insert naked women here&gt;

Q:"What does England mean to you..."
A:"rapist, terrorist, kkk...."

People seem so emotional that white folks are devils so am i doing my race justice by moving in with them. </font>[/QUOTE]What has YOU moving anywhere got to do with a disservice to your race? Do you secretly plan on joining the Klan too when you move into this white neighbourhood? Why do you ask this question if the answers provided don't affect your decision one way or another? I know when I'm thinking of moving factors such as safety, affordability are first and foremost on my mind. Disservice to my race? ... Please elaborate on why you ask this question beyond as a response to threads about what so and so means to you ... If you will please.

[mhd]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magic Juan:
I don't know about other areas, but in Chicago the pattern seems to be this: white people are in the neighborhood, a "minority," usually Latino or Black moves in, white people start moving out. Within a year or two, the demographics change and the neighborhood either becomes predominantly Latino or predominantly Black. I know that is what is happening right now where we are at. It was all white about 2 years ago. Latinos started moving in on our block, and now there are 2 Black families on the block over. Suddenly, tons of For Sale signs pop up.

magic_juan ...and this is why you should move into these neighborhoods...they start to sell, the demand is high, the property value starts to escalate, you position yourself as one of the first minorities in the area, a year or two from the time you buy your house, the value is up over 100-200k, and you can either sell or refinance at a nice profit to you.....don't let the moving out bother you, just make sure you are positioned in a timely manner...if the neighborhood starts to go down after they move out, then you have the option, at a profit, to move out also.

However, the neighborhood, usually takes many years to deteroriate(sp?), because now you have new homeowners who are taking pride in their new property....the neighboorhood also has excellent properties, schools, quick response by the fire and police departments(in the early years), and politicians who listens to you(also in the early years.

....when you see the neighborhood start to turn into a 'rental' neighborhood, then it's time to run!!...this happens when homeowners buy above their comfort level, gets high interest rates(poor credit ratings), and just to make ends meet, they rent every square inch of the property without even living there....when the homeowners are not living at the property in abundance, it's time to cash in and move out!

For now, if you can do it, buy a house in these neighboorhoods. </font>[/QUOTE]not so sure about that, sounds more like a 70s paradigm. in many urban areas there is a race back to the cities, to areas owned by black. chicago, clevland, dc, etc. the rush to white or suburban areas is over. the real value is buying in poor areas, for lower prices in advance of gentrification and development. i bet clos is able to buy in that area because they are moving back to the city

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
I'm curious, if you can afford to live where you want to live, (and can afford a belt to whip your future kids asses) why are you so concerned about being veiwed a sellout? Seems to me you have "gotten over it" already, right? that's just it, he hasn't, because this country will not let you. some of the comments don't make sense, where is the feeling of improving your community, of leading your community, of being a role model in your community. the latin community in this country is in an incredible point in history, why not be a part of that. you are in houston, right, clos? do you really think "they" want you in "their" neighborhood? </font>[/QUOTE]Ah! MHD, you're saying you would stay in your community?
It seems like i pushed a button.
I gather that you're the type that always wants to seem right about things. Well you would stay in your community and others might leave. That's fine, you have an opinion.
Don't get offended or insulted but I'll break the minority stereo-type (the type that people expect me to criticize you) and tell you that you have a right to your opinion. But if you want to be "typical" then go ahead.
It's O.K. this is just a messageboard.

[fred da warrior]

Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well.

[mhd]

Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community

[fred da warrior]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, I heard that the ice was colder in white folks neighborhood......

[jsd540]

Look for a mixed neighborhood. With good schools. Walk around the neighborhoods you like, and feel the vibe.

A good balance is what I have looked for.

All white (or any other group of people for that matter) is not necessarily a good thing.

[mhd]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
I'm curious, if you can afford to live where you want to live, (and can afford a belt to whip your future kids asses) why are you so concerned about being veiwed a sellout? Seems to me you have "gotten over it" already, right? that's just it, he hasn't, because this country will not let you. some of the comments don't make sense, where is the feeling of improving your community, of leading your community, of being a role model in your community. the latin community in this country is in an incredible point in history, why not be a part of that. you are in houston, right, clos? do you really think "they" want you in "their" neighborhood? </font>[/QUOTE]Ah! MHD, you're saying you would stay in your community?
It seems like i pushed a button.
I gather that you're the type that always wants to seem right about things. Well you would stay in your community and others might leave. That's fine, you have an opinion.
Don't get offended or insulted but I'll break the minority stereo-type (the type that people expect me to criticize you) and tell you that you have a right to your opinion. But if you want to be "typical" then go ahead.
It's O.K. this is just a messageboard. </font>[/QUOTE]clos, when i said the comments don't make sense, i don't mean yours, i meant the comments that tell you to ignore your community, to me that is selfish. of course you have to make decisions with your own self interest in mind, but you do seem concerned about what impact your decisions will have. that is a good thing, imo

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magic Juan:
I don't know about other areas, but in Chicago the pattern seems to be this: white people are in the neighborhood, a "minority," usually Latino or Black moves in, white people start moving out. Within a year or two, the demographics change and the neighborhood either becomes predominantly Latino or predominantly Black. I know that is what is happening right now where we are at. It was all white about 2 years ago. Latinos started moving in on our block, and now there are 2 Black families on the block over. Suddenly, tons of For Sale signs pop up.

magic_juan ...and this is why you should move into these neighborhoods...they start to sell, the demand is high, the property value starts to escalate, you position yourself as one of the first minorities in the area, a year or two from the time you buy your house, the value is up over 100-200k, and you can either sell or refinance at a nice profit to you.....don't let the moving out bother you, just make sure you are positioned in a timely manner...if the neighborhood starts to go down after they move out, then you have the option, at a profit, to move out also.

However, the neighborhood, usually takes many years to deteroriate(sp?), because now you have new homeowners who are taking pride in their new property....the neighboorhood also has excellent properties, schools, quick response by the fire and police departments(in the early years), and politicians who listens to you(also in the early years.

....when you see the neighborhood start to turn into a 'rental' neighborhood, then it's time to run!!...this happens when homeowners buy above their comfort level, gets high interest rates(poor credit ratings), and just to make ends meet, they rent every square inch of the property without even living there....when the homeowners are not living at the property in abundance, it's time to cash in and move out!

For now, if you can do it, buy a house in these neighboorhoods. </font>[/QUOTE]not so sure about that, sounds more like a 70s paradigm. in many urban areas there is a race back to the cities, to areas owned by black. chicago, clevland, dc, etc. the rush to white or suburban areas is over. the real value is buying in poor areas, for lower prices in advance of gentrification and development. i bet clos is able to buy in that area because they are moving back to the city </font>[/QUOTE]I agree that the scenario I presented has slowed...there is a race to get back "in" to those communities that "they" left...in Nyc, it's race back into the boros from Long Island because of property taxes.

I was just going by Magic Juan's example, and if that is what is going on in Chi-town, it would be foolish not to buy in those areas if one has the opportunity. I know the reverse is happening in DC and I'm sure those who bought and "watch dem run", and waited it out, are very happy now.

The "buying in poor arears and waiting for regentrification" is a great concept, but must down with some research...2 blocks over and you could be waiting 'til you are gray....this has happened already in the BedSty and some downtown areas in Brooklyn already and it maybe too late here in NYc....I believe the true value now in the city, is "stealing" those properties that owe back taxes before the foreclosure....I think you need a friend on the inside for those.

I know this has nothing to do with clos7 original thread, but we may as well put some good use with the post.... :D

[MC]

Go for yours, dude. I live near a lot of whites, and it's all positive. Think about the property value in a few years in the nicer neighborhood, plus the re-sale value will be mucho dinero for you. Hopefully if I ever sell my house I can make a large profit. I live about 1 mile away from the golf course so that should increase the value, too.

[richierich]

Run I tell ya Run they're coming..Run.they want to srew your women Run..they'll steal your hubcaps..Run..they drink wine on the corners Run!!
All said while having dinner with the kids...

[ October 01, 2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magic Juan:
I don't know about other areas, but in Chicago the pattern seems to be this: white people are in the neighborhood, a "minority," usually Latino or Black moves in, white people start moving out. Within a year or two, the demographics change and the neighborhood either becomes predominantly Latino or predominantly Black. I know that is what is happening right now where we are at. It was all white about 2 years ago. Latinos started moving in on our block, and now there are 2 Black families on the block over. Suddenly, tons of For Sale signs pop up.

magic_juan ...and this is why you should move into these neighborhoods...they start to sell, the demand is high, the property value starts to escalate, you position yourself as one of the first minorities in the area, a year or two from the time you buy your house, the value is up over 100-200k, and you can either sell or refinance at a nice profit to you.....don't let the moving out bother you, just make sure you are positioned in a timely manner...if the neighborhood starts to go down after they move out, then you have the option, at a profit, to move out also.

However, the neighborhood, usually takes many years to deteroriate(sp?), because now you have new homeowners who are taking pride in their new property....the neighboorhood also has excellent properties, schools, quick response by the fire and police departments(in the early years), and politicians who listens to you(also in the early years.

....when you see the neighborhood start to turn into a 'rental' neighborhood, then it's time to run!!...this happens when homeowners buy above their comfort level, gets high interest rates(poor credit ratings), and just to make ends meet, they rent every square inch of the property without even living there....when the homeowners are not living at the property in abundance, it's time to cash in and move out!

For now, if you can do it, buy a house in these neighboorhoods. </font>[/QUOTE]not so sure about that, sounds more like a 70s paradigm. in many urban areas there is a race back to the cities, to areas owned by black. chicago, clevland, dc, etc. the rush to white or suburban areas is over. the real value is buying in poor areas, for lower prices in advance of gentrification and development. i bet clos is able to buy in that area because they are moving back to the city </font>[/QUOTE]I agree that the scenario I presented has slowed...there is a race to get back "in" to those communities that "they" left...in Nyc, it's race back into the boros from Long Island because of property taxes.

I was just going by Magic Juan's example, and if that is what is going on in Chi-town, it would be foolish not to buy in those areas if one has the opportunity. I know the reverse is happening in DC and I'm sure those who bought and "watch dem run", and waited it out, are very happy now.

The "buying in poor arears and waiting for regentrification" is a great concept, but must down with some research...2 blocks over and you could be waiting 'til you are gray....this has happened already in the BedSty and some downtown areas in Brooklyn already and it maybe too late here in NYc....I believe the true value now in the city, is "stealing" those properties that owe back taxes before the foreclosure....I think you need a friend on the inside for those.

I know this has nothing to do with clos7 original thread, but we may as well put some good use with the post.... :D </font>[/QUOTE]right, but it does have everything to do with his post because of the erroneous underlying assumptions that white neighborhoods have higher resale values than others. btw, yeah inside people is important, but there are all kinds of people with information, think of those folks and those places where it flows. many transactions never get advertised

[jsd540]

Originally posted by ultra:
There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.

Who cares if society views you as a 'sellout?' It's about what's good for you and your family. Screw the critics and the labels. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thats right, Why should we feel bad because we've worked to get ahead.

If You like brick city then stay there, don't give me any of this sell out crap...

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by mhd:
[QUOTE] btw, yeah inside people is important, but there are all kinds of people with information, think of those folks and those places where it flows. many transactions never get advertised care to elaborate....

[mhd]

Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ultra:
There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.

Who cares if society views you as a 'sellout?' It's about what's good for you and your family. Screw the critics and the labels. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thats right, Why should we feel bad because we've worked to get ahead.

If You like brick city then stay there, don't give me any of this sell out crap... </font>[/QUOTE]don't know if you noticed, but there is a racial problem in this country. once you move to the white neighborhoods, how do you think those racial problems play out in your kids school? with local police? with political power? when your interest as a minority diverges from the interest of your neighbors?

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community </font>[/QUOTE]Mark I don't think that was fair. My grandmothers nieghboorhood is dirt poor. It is also close to the lake and downtown and will soon be gentrified like some other areas of Chicago. But in the meantime there is drug selling, shooting, robbing, people screaming and breaking bottles and other shit going on. So because I'm black I should pigeon hole myself to that shit? How would me living there improve things? And if you don't you are running away from yourself?

[ October 01, 2003, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community </font>[/QUOTE]Mark I don't think that was fair. My grandmothers nieghboorhood is dirt poor. It is also close to the lake and downtown and will soon be gentrified like some other areas of Chicago. But in the meantime there is drug selling, shooting, robbing, people screaming and breaking bottles and other shit going on. So because I'm black I should pigeon hole myself to that shit? How would me living there improve things? </font>[/QUOTE]you are kidding right? i know your nieghborhood very well. it would improve because you are getting up and going to work everyday, a living role model and if you were a savvy business man that was involved in his community you would know that U of C has had a plan for your area for decades. i never understood the rush to the south suburbs in the chi. i would not be here today if somebody did not think that living and working with kids on 61st street in the 60s, 70s and 80s was worth it. its not a pigeon hole its an investment in yourself, what could be more valuable

[jsd540]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ultra:
There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.

Who cares if society views you as a 'sellout?' It's about what's good for you and your family. Screw the critics and the labels. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thats right, Why should we feel bad because we've worked to get ahead.

If You like brick city then stay there, don't give me any of this sell out crap... </font>[/QUOTE]don't know if you noticed, but there is a racial problem in this country. once you move to the white neighborhoods, how do you think those racial problems play out in your kids school? with local police? with political power? when your interest as a minority diverges from the interest of your neighbors? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, I should merge my posts.

Yes there is racism in america, I would never move to an all (insert any race, creed or culture here) neighborhood. I am sure if you search you will find a reasonably mixed neiborhood you feel comfortable in. We ((insert any race, creed or culture here)are not all poor anymore.

But whats more important is why should an all white neighborhood be better ? Why is that the only other alternative?

There are minorities everywhere, we are doctors lawyers and everything else, we need to get out of this, I don't belong in this place mentality, we also have to stop feeling bad for succeeding and moveing on.

Our job is to be informed examples not martyrs.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community </font>[/QUOTE]Mark I don't think that was fair. My grandmothers nieghboorhood is dirt poor. It is also close to the lake and downtown and will soon be gentrified like some other areas of Chicago. But in the meantime there is drug selling, shooting, robbing, people screaming and breaking bottles and other shit going on. So because I'm black I should pigeon hole myself to that shit? How would me living there improve things? </font>[/QUOTE]you are kidding right? i know your nieghborhood very well. it would improve because you are getting up and going to work everyday, a living role model and if you were a savvy business man that was involved in his community you would know that U of C has had a plan for your area for decades. i never understood the rush to the south suburbs in the chi. i would not be here today if somebody did not think that living and working with kids on 61st street in the 60s, 70s and 80s was worth it. its not a pigeon hole its an investment in yourself, what could be more valuable </font>[/QUOTE]So you are saying I should put myself and my family in harms way to better the community? And then when the area gets gentrified should I move again?I lived in that area as long as I could. The more I got the more of a target I became. Most in that neighboorhood look to the videos for their role models. I know because I used to be one of them. They don't give a shit that I work hard. As far as investing I would buy property in that area but would NOT live there.

[ October 01, 2003, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: Eargasm ]

[imported_Chr_stopher]

my neigborhood is very culturally diverse

[mhd]

what are we left with if all of the talent leaves the community? what is with this notion that there is no crime, drugs, gangs in the suburbs?

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by mhd:
what are we left with if all of the talent leaves the community? what is with this notion that there is no crime, drugs, gangs in the suburbs? Trust me Mark I feel where you are coming from. What you are saying is ideal. What I am saying is reality. Blame it on intergration. It used to be where rich and poor blacks lived in the same areas. Then you could really be a role model. Something for those in the community to aspire to. Now it just does not work that way. I would LOVE to live next door to my grandmother. God knows it would make her life much easier. But I can not. One easter sunday back when I was banging me and my peoples was chillin on 62nd and Langley. Folks decide they want to start shooting at us. A young woman was coming out of her house heading to church. She got shot in the head and died. Now I don't gang bang anymore and the area is WORSE than back then. That could be me, my grandmother, my father, my brother or my girl that that happens to. **** that I'll pass. If my grandmother were willing to move she would be in Wheeling where I live right now.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
what are we left with if all of the talent leaves the community? what is with this notion that there is no crime, drugs, gangs in the suburbs? Trust me Mark I feel where you are coming from. What you are saying is ideal. What I am saying is reality. Blame it on intergration. It used to be where rich and poor blacks lived in the same areas. Then you could really be a role model. Something for those in the community to aspire to. Now it just does not work that way. I would LOVE to live next door to my grandmother. God knows it would make her life much easier. But I can not. One easter sunday back when I was banging me and my peoples was chillin on 62nd and Langley. Folks decide they want to start shooting at us. A young woman was coming out of her house heading to church. She got shot in the head and died. Now I don't gang bang anymore and the area is WORSE than back then. That could be me, my grandmother, my father, my brother or my girl that that happens to. **** that I'll pass. If my grandmother were willing to move she would be in Wheeling where I live right now. </font>[/QUOTE]so you are saying that your grandmother still lives in a community that you could not tolerate? you are right about one thing, it won't work if we don't make it work

[mhd]

Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ultra:
There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.

Who cares if society views you as a 'sellout?' It's about what's good for you and your family. Screw the critics and the labels. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thats right, Why should we feel bad because we've worked to get ahead.

If You like brick city then stay there, don't give me any of this sell out crap... </font>[/QUOTE]don't know if you noticed, but there is a racial problem in this country. once you move to the white neighborhoods, how do you think those racial problems play out in your kids school? with local police? with political power? when your interest as a minority diverges from the interest of your neighbors? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, I should merge my posts.

Yes there is racism in america, I would never move to an all (insert any race, creed or culture here) neighborhood. I am sure if you search you will find a reasonably mixed neiborhood you feel comfortable in. We ((insert any race, creed or culture here)are not all poor anymore.

But whats more important is why should an all white neighborhood be better ? Why is that the only other alternative?

There are minorities everywhere, we are doctors lawyers and everything else, we need to get out of this, I don't belong in this place mentality, we also have to stop feeling bad for succeeding and moveing on.

Our job is to be informed examples not martyrs. </font>[/QUOTE]our job is to take responsiblity for the things we care about, if all you care about is your immediate family then you are fine, just remember if people felt that way before you were born, your parents would have been committing a crime to conceive you

[ October 01, 2003, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: mhd ]

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
what are we left with if all of the talent leaves the community? what is with this notion that there is no crime, drugs, gangs in the suburbs? Trust me Mark I feel where you are coming from. What you are saying is ideal. What I am saying is reality. Blame it on intergration. It used to be where rich and poor blacks lived in the same areas. Then you could really be a role model. Something for those in the community to aspire to. Now it just does not work that way. I would LOVE to live next door to my grandmother. God knows it would make her life much easier. But I can not. One easter sunday back when I was banging me and my peoples was chillin on 62nd and Langley. Folks decide they want to start shooting at us. A young woman was coming out of her house heading to church. She got shot in the head and died. Now I don't gang bang anymore and the area is WORSE than back then. That could be me, my grandmother, my father, my brother or my girl that that happens to. **** that I'll pass. If my grandmother were willing to move she would be in Wheeling where I live right now. </font>[/QUOTE]so you are saying that your grandmother still lives in a community that you could not tolerate? you are right about one thing, it won't work if we don't make it work </font>[/QUOTE]Yes she is very old and stubborn. But she is very happy that myself and Daniel have gotten out of that neighboorhood. Before my younger brother got locked up she was trying to get him to move elsewhere.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jsd540:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ultra:
There's gotta be neighborhoods like mine (the Bronx) elsewhere. We have it all - African, West Indian, Asian, Latin, but no white people whatsoever, and it's a nice neighborhood.

Who cares if society views you as a 'sellout?' It's about what's good for you and your family. Screw the critics and the labels. graemlins/thumbsup.gif Thats right, Why should we feel bad because we've worked to get ahead.

If You like brick city then stay there, don't give me any of this sell out crap... </font>[/QUOTE]don't know if you noticed, but there is a racial problem in this country. once you move to the white neighborhoods, how do you think those racial problems play out in your kids school? with local police? with political power? when your interest as a minority diverges from the interest of your neighbors? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, I should merge my posts.

Yes there is racism in america, I would never move to an all (insert any race, creed or culture here) neighborhood. I am sure if you search you will find a reasonably mixed neiborhood you feel comfortable in. We ((insert any race, creed or culture here)are not all poor anymore.

But whats more important is why should an all white neighborhood be better ? Why is that the only other alternative?

There are minorities everywhere, we are doctors lawyers and everything else, we need to get out of this, I don't belong in this place mentality, we also have to stop feeling bad for succeeding and moveing on.

Our job is to be informed examples not martyrs. </font>[/QUOTE]our job is to take responsiblity for the things we care about, if all you care about is your immediate family then you are fine, just remember if people felt that way before you were born, your parents would have been committing a crime to conceive you </font>[/QUOTE]I never said we should'nt care, I said we should not feel guilty for moveing on. We should also not feel like we don't belong anywhere other than the neighborhood we grew up in.

We should definitely not feel that moving into an all white neighborhood is good.

We need to move to a place where we see ourselves as equal to the people that surround us. Then we need to give that feeling to a few people younger than us.

We cannot save the whole block. But we can save one or two .

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community </font>[/QUOTE]I don't live i that area because I'm in Houston, Texas. NOt becuase i'm running away? I said i'm in houston earlier.

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[richierich]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
what are we left with if all of the talent leaves the community? what is with this notion that there is no crime, drugs, gangs in the suburbs? Trust me Mark I feel where you are coming from. What you are saying is ideal. What I am saying is reality. Blame it on intergration. It used to be where rich and poor blacks lived in the same areas. Then you could really be a role model. Something for those in the community to aspire to. Now it just does not work that way. I would LOVE to live next door to my grandmother. God knows it would make her life much easier. But I can not. One easter sunday back when I was banging me and my peoples was chillin on 62nd and Langley. Folks decide they want to start shooting at us. A young woman was coming out of her house heading to church. She got shot in the head and died. Now I don't gang bang anymore and the area is WORSE than back then. That could be me, my grandmother, my father, my brother or my girl that that happens to. **** that I'll pass. If my grandmother were willing to move she would be in Wheeling where I live right now. </font>[/QUOTE]Yo I hear you I know the area and when I came back from NYC a couple of weeks ago I caught the 61st str. bus and rode all the way to Stoney Island.. now mind you I used to live in the big building across the street from Sexton and went to Sexton..Fvck that I wouldn't live over there either..it all sounds good in theory live around your people but when you witness so much shit it wears you down and all that community activist shit will get yo ass killed ..this is Chocago baby and it aint no joke...If the police aint gonna protect yo ass and you just can't come out bustin' on marks without repercussions then yeah you gota get the fvck out..reality vs theory...deal with the real..oh yeah and that dude called "Tank" I was talking about way back was Almighty.
Peace

[ October 01, 2003, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
what are we left with if all of the talent leaves the community? what is with this notion that there is no crime, drugs, gangs in the suburbs? Trust me Mark I feel where you are coming from. What you are saying is ideal. What I am saying is reality. Blame it on intergration. It used to be where rich and poor blacks lived in the same areas. Then you could really be a role model. Something for those in the community to aspire to. Now it just does not work that way. I would LOVE to live next door to my grandmother. God knows it would make her life much easier. But I can not. One easter sunday back when I was banging me and my peoples was chillin on 62nd and Langley. Folks decide they want to start shooting at us. A young woman was coming out of her house heading to church. She got shot in the head and died. Now I don't gang bang anymore and the area is WORSE than back then. That could be me, my grandmother, my father, my brother or my girl that that happens to. **** that I'll pass. If my grandmother were willing to move she would be in Wheeling where I live right now. </font>[/QUOTE]Yo I hear you I know the area and when I came bak from NYC a couple of weeks ago I caught the 61st str. bus and rode all the way to Stoney Island.. now mind you I used to live in the big building across the street from Sexton and went to Sexton..Fvck that I wouldn't live over there either..it all sounds good in theory live around your people but when you witness so much shit it wears you down and all that community activist shit will get yo ass killed ..this is Chocago baby and it aint no joke...If the police aint gonna protect yo ass and you just can't come out bustin' on marks without repercussions then yeah you gota get the fvck out..reality vs theory...deal with the real..oh yeah and that dude called "Tank" I was talking about way back was Almighty.
Peace </font>[/QUOTE]Thats what I'm saying. Thanks Rich.

[dj c-los]

Actually a buddy of mine parent sold their building (off Ohio and Ashland) that they bought for 80K in the 1980's for $300,000. Everyone argued with them to sell it higher but they couldn't pay the property taxes. They basicly had to give in.

[jsd540]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by fred:
Happening right here in the Chi, mhd. All they project land on the side of Lake Shore from 35th to 47 is being developed into 200-300 homes. Also, the land that used to be Cabrini Green is up for grabs as well. word, i know, bruh, clos old neighborhood is going for 500k but he won't benefit because he is steady running away from himself and his community </font>[/QUOTE]I don't live i that area because I'm in Houston, Texas. NOt becuase i'm running away? I said i'm in houston earlier.

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif </font>[/QUOTE]This happens, It's all part of the process, just sit back, listen, and enjoy the answers always come... :D

Just for the record, You can live anywhere you want, without guilt, and it can be a diverse neighborhood and still be nice, seek and ye shall find...

[lola desire]

i'm sorry i'm so late chiming in on this, but...

the main thing you want in a house is that the community serves your needs. if it's well manicured lawns, safety, and good schools you want, then it's usually white people who choose to buy houses in those kinds of areas.

a lot of minorities buy a house to have somewhere to live. "white folks"/rich folks buy a house for the neighborhood.

**and if you think about it, the situation gets even trickier when you consider the same "hoods" and "barrios" of today are the yuppie playgrounds of tomorrow. we've all seen it happen.

whatever you decide, good luck.

[mhd]

c'mon, man, you guys act like it there was no violence growing up. how did we survive? it was not by accident. how did you stop doing wild shit as a kid? there had to be some positive catalyst for change, why can't it be you today?

[richierich]

Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon, man, you guys act like it there was no violence growing up. how did we survive? it was not by accident. how did you stop doing wild shit as a kid? there had to be some positive catalyst for change, why can't it be you today? what do you suggest?? What stopped me?? Getting locked up! What stopped we moved the fvck outta the neighborhood plain and simple.If I hadn't moved I'd be locked up or dead..plain and simple..you gotta know how deep shit can get..

[ October 01, 2003, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon, man, you guys act like it there was no violence growing up. how did we survive? it was not by accident. how did you stop doing wild shit as a kid? there had to be some positive catalyst for change, why can't it be you today? what do you suggest?? What stopped me?? Getting locked up! What stopped we moved the fvck outta the neighborhood plain and simple.If I hadn't moved I'd be locked up or dead..plain and simple..you gotta know how deep shit can get.. </font>[/QUOTE]same here, trust me, i know how deep shit can get, and when you say you moved out you are not talking about wheeling or a "white" neighborhood as clos suggested are you? like i said, i would not be here if many, many people did not think it was worthwhile to live and work and do some good in the hood. the furhtest away some people may have lived was hyde park or chatham, many others lived right there with us, some are still there.

[jimmymack-2000]

See, now I don't understand...seems like there's a double standard at work here. Mark, you're asking folks to give back to the community by staying put, but when someone asked Spike Lee what he planned on giving back to the community, the response was something like "Why do black folks have to give back anything?"

[mhd]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
See, now I don't understand...seems like there's a double standard at work here. Mark, you're asking folks to give back to the community by staying put, but when someone asked Spike Lee what he planned on giving back to the community, the response was something like "Why do black folks have to give back anything?" more accurate would be "a response" not "the response" some people believe that, i don't. spike has given back to his community, one way is by staying in brooklyn. if you have followed discussions here you may have noticed how some here, myself included, feel that the african proverb: it takes a village to raise a child, are words to live by. you may have run across this in your recent research into the Middle Passage. on those ships were many people with different languages who had to work together in order to survive. that ethic survives today.

[richierich]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
See, now I don't understand...seems like there's a double standard at work here. Mark, you're asking folks to give back to the community by staying put, but when someone asked Spike Lee what he planned on giving back to the community, the response was something like "Why do black folks have to give back anything?" Duh..how about not all Black folks think the same!..incredible..Mark you're good!!

[ October 01, 2003, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: richierich ]

[mhd]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
See, now I don't understand...seems like there's a double standard at work here. Mark, you're asking folks to give back to the community by staying put, but when someone asked Spike Lee what he planned on giving back to the community, the response was something like "Why do black folks have to give back anything?" Duh..how about not all Black folks think the same!..incredible..Mark you're good!! </font>[/QUOTE]you know, i actually typed blacks are not monolithic,

[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by richierich:
Duh..how about not all Black folks think the same!..incredible..Mark you're good!! I wasn't insinuating that at all... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon, man, you guys act like it there was no violence growing up. how did we survive? it was not by accident. how did you stop doing wild shit as a kid? there had to be some positive catalyst for change, why can't it be you today? what do you suggest?? What stopped me?? Getting locked up! What stopped we moved the fvck outta the neighborhood plain and simple.If I hadn't moved I'd be locked up or dead..plain and simple..you gotta know how deep shit can get.. </font>[/QUOTE]Ditto. What stopped me from banging was 3 near misses in 1 weekend. I decided that my life could be much more than what it was. Once I get settled in my new gig I plan on do two things one is joining a big brother program so I can make a positive impact. The other is to learn to play piano, which is unrelated.

[richierich]

Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon, man, you guys act like it there was no violence growing up. how did we survive? it was not by accident. how did you stop doing wild shit as a kid? there had to be some positive catalyst for change, why can't it be you today? what do you suggest?? What stopped me?? Getting locked up! What stopped we moved the fvck outta the neighborhood plain and simple.If I hadn't moved I'd be locked up or dead..plain and simple..you gotta know how deep shit can get.. </font>[/QUOTE]Ditto. What stopped me from banging was 3 near misses in 1 weekend. I decided that my life could be much more than what it was. Once I get settled in my new gig I plan on do two things one is joining a big brother program so I can make a positive impact. The other is to learn to play piano, which is unrelated. </font>[/QUOTE]Man that's cool as hell those shorties aint tryin to hear no suit wearing marks that aint walked in their shoes. They need to see that you can do something else...I got a godson now that is a Mo and he's headed for destruction..one of my other shorties so to speak got 36yrs. and he went down when he was 17 and the thing is he really didn't do the murk but he was so scared and you know how it goes..he took the fall and now them cats don't even come see him..nothin' on the books nothin' unless we and his blood faminly go down there and holla.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
c'mon, man, you guys act like it there was no violence growing up. how did we survive? it was not by accident. how did you stop doing wild shit as a kid? there had to be some positive catalyst for change, why can't it be you today? what do you suggest?? What stopped me?? Getting locked up! What stopped we moved the fvck outta the neighborhood plain and simple.If I hadn't moved I'd be locked up or dead..plain and simple..you gotta know how deep shit can get.. </font>[/QUOTE]Ditto. What stopped me from banging was 3 near misses in 1 weekend. I decided that my life could be much more than what it was. Once I get settled in my new gig I plan on do two things one is joining a big brother program so I can make a positive impact. The other is to learn to play piano, which is unrelated. </font>[/QUOTE]Man that's cool as hell those shorties aint tryin to hear no suit wearing marks that aint walked in their shoes. They need to see that you can do something else...I got a godson now that is a Mo and he's headed for destruction..one of my other shorties so to speak got 36yrs. and he went down when he was 17 and the thing is he really didn't do the murk but he was so scared and you know how it goes..he took the fall and now them cats don't even come see him..nothin' on the books nothin' unless we and his blood faminly go down there and holla. </font>[/QUOTE]That's how it is. It's unfortunate that most don't find that out until it's too late. Encourage him to get educated while he is in there. I have seen a few brothers come out of prison with degrees and completely turn their lives around. One I know is very successful.

[dj c-los]

I had a friend that was a Cobra back in the days and he was involved in a killing off a C-Note down by Chicago Ave and Ashland. They basicly rounded all the Cobras together that were in the fight and charged them all (no one was talking). Fifteen years later he got out and is still in the same hood. These guys were paying monthly dues for "lawyer fees" and "protection." But when that went down..no leaders and no lawyers spoke up.
No one visited my friend but his mother.
He's out now and he's still in the same hood. As old as he is now, you'd think he'd shape up....wrong. He needs to get out of the neighborhood becuase sometimes it isn't a good influence.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by clos7:
I had a friend that was a Cobra back in the days and he was involved in a killing off a C-Note down by Chicago Ave and Ashland. They basicly rounded all the Cobras together that were in the fight and charged them all (no one was talking). Fifteen years later he got out and is still in the same hood. These guys were paying monthly dues for "lawyer fees" and "protection." But when that went down..no leaders and no lawyers spoke up.
No one visited my friend but his mother.
He's out now and he's still in the same hood. As old as he is now, you'd think he'd shape up....wrong. He needs to get out of the neighborhood becuase sometimes it isn't a good influence. I've seen that shit alot too. Very sad.

[Hippie]

I don't know if it's already been said but you have to feel comfortable in the new place. What I mean is, my wife and I are thinking of moving to Florida maybe in a couple of years ( no goodbyes yet or goodluck it's not final ) and she wanted to visit her sister which lives in Boca Raton. Well the hood is great lots of money, quiet and classy but.......... my problem with the place was when they brought us around there downtown area to see there nightlife. As we drove by the restaurants I noticed there were no blacks in any of the restaurants eating or walking the streets. Turns out they have a hefty black population but there property and the white properties are literally on different sides of the track. The only time I saw blacks was either bussing in restaurants or in Denny's where it looked like the night manager was black. I don't know about you but growing up in Newark that shit bothered me. And I said to the wife if we move to Florida this is not the town I want to move to! It's nice and everything but I can't say I felt comfortable seeing that.

[LEONARD REMIX RROY]

Originally posted by clos7:
I don't have any kids but minority neighborhoods around here go down in value because people don't like to maintain their property's appearance. That's fine, everyone live their own life.
But am I "selling out" to my people for caring about my future investment?
Or should I but a house in a minority neighborhood and gamble on my investment?
All love no hate so let's chill with insults if any. Do what you need to do to insure your way of life is as you want it. Be called a sell-out but be happy in your home as well a when you look around where you live.

I have family that just won't move out the hood for whatever reason & all their children are in private schools. My thought is, why live like that in the city when you can move to the suburbs, live better, etc.

They been in the city so long that they are afraid of the unknown in the suburbs.

To each their own...I do all that I can to live around as few Blacks as I can unless they are Black and not on that Niggaz / thug life crap...just to not be called a sell-out.