As nutty as Janet J is,does she make a valid point about

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

An artists music being distributed without the artist's consent?

We already know the lady is "tick,tick boom".Sometimes even crazy's can make you think about stuff.So how do you feel about mixed cd's that are given away.I have been the reciepient of many free mix cd's and i am grateful for them.They give me a chance to hear music i might not normally hear because i dont go out that often,they expose us to new music as well.

Should artists be compensated for this?
Should dj's have to get permission to do make mixed cd's?
Doesnt this happen in the hiphop world all the time by big name djs?
If Funkmaster flex makes a mixed cd are those artists compensated?
How far can it go,if artists start charging for mix tapes how long will it be before djs have to pay them for playing their music in clubs?

[DJ Celeste Alexander]

Business is Business PHC, I make and sell and give away mixed CD's all the time. Fact is I Buy 90% of my music, that gives me the right to play it. if I get money lets say 10 bucks for a mixed cd Ive made, and there are 20 tracks on the cd played for about 5 minutes each, when and where do I go to make sure every artist on every song gets their 3 cents out of the CD I made? The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new. We did it with cassettes for years. The artist got their royalties when I bought the song itself, me playing it at a club, is called EXPOSURE for the artists, and may prompt future sales for new consumers if they like the invdivdual song. Alot of this music would not be heard any other way if it wasnt played at the club or at another party setting. How much of the house music do you hear today, that you actually hear on the radio circuit outside of internet radio or in a club? Janet J may have a good point, but at this day and age of technology how much of her point is a mute point?

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Business is Business PHC, I make and sell and give away mixed CD's all the time. Fact is I Buy 90% of my music, that gives me the right to play it. if I get money lets say 10 bucks for a mixed cd Ive made, and there are 20 tracks on the cd played for about 5 minutes each, when and where do I go to make sure every artist on every song gets their 3 cents out of the CD I made? The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new. We did it with cassettes for years. The artist got their royalties when I bought the song itself, me playing it at a club, is called EXPOSURE for the artists, and may prompt future sales for new consumers if they like the invdivdual song. Alot of this music would not be heard any other way if it wasnt played at the club or at another party setting. How much of the house music do you hear today, that you actually hear on the radio circuit outside of internet radio or in a club? Janet J may have a good point, but at this day and age of technology how much of her point is a mute point?

Great points.

[she-pisces]

An artists music being distributed without the artist's consent?

We already know the lady is "tick,tick boom".Sometimes even crazy's can make you think about stuff.So how do you feel about mixed cd's that are given away.I have been the reciepient of many free mix cd's and i am grateful for them.They give me a chance to hear music i might not normally hear because i dont go out that often,they expose us to new music as well.

Should artists be compensated for this?
Should dj's have to get permission to do make mixed cd's?
Doesnt this happen in the hiphop world all the time by big name djs?
If Funkmaster flex makes a mixed cd are those artists compensated?
How far can it go,if artists start charging for mix tapes how long will it be before djs have to pay them for playing their music in clubs?
There was this song on there that I had never heard. I didnt like it at first but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it! I didnt know the singer but as it turned out, It was Peven Everett, "I cant believe I loved her"! I searched high and low to find out who the artist was. Had it not been for that free mix cd, I may have not known about Peven and had the chance to become a fan. So I say, YES, continue the free cd's. Its free exposure for the artist. Now I am going to purchase cd's by Peven regularly. So in the long run, the artist does get paid!

[Tony Cano]

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/18/incoming.jpg

[she-pisces]

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/18/incoming.jpg

??????????????

[Chris Conrad]

Business is Business PHC, I make and sell and give away mixed CD's all the time. Fact is I Buy 90% of my music, that gives me the right to play it. if I get money lets say 10 bucks for a mixed cd Ive made, and there are 20 tracks on the cd played for about 5 minutes each, when and where do I go to make sure every artist on every song gets their 3 cents out of the CD I made? The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new. We did it with cassettes for years. The artist got their royalties when I bought the song itself, me playing it at a club, is called EXPOSURE for the artists, and may prompt future sales for new consumers if they like the invdivdual song. Alot of this music would not be heard any other way if it wasnt played at the club or at another party setting. How much of the house music do you hear today, that you actually hear on the radio circuit outside of internet radio or in a club? Janet J may have a good point, but at this day and age of technology how much of her point is a mute point?

selling a mix cd is technically committing a crime...

simply 'buying' music does not necessarily give you the right to play it. this has been posted about ten thousand times on here and explained ten thousand times on here...including how music is licensed for cds that are commercially released and sold...and how artists get royalties etc...why do folks continue to play ignorant on a topic that has been covered so much?

cds are new? really?

[JMJ]

cds are new? really?

New CDs ARE new, Chris. Let's not discount the newness of the CD's newness now.....JMJ

[Huey P. Freeman]

cds are new? really?CDs were invented in 1979 and the first commercial CD release was in 1982. Hardly new.

[Chris Conrad]

CDs were invented in 1979 and the first commercial CD release was in 1982. Hardly new.

she said it:

"The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new."

[Chris Conrad]

it can't be, must be a mistake, are those (gasp) cd players in the booth of The Saint, back in the early 80's?

http://www.nycsaintmusic.com/photos/d/399-5/Saint-D-JBooth_001_001.jpg

[Huey P. Freeman]

she said it:

"The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new."I was backing up your assertion that they were not a new medium. We are on the same page.

[she-pisces]

I was backing up your assertion that they were not a new medium. We are on the same page.
Always a backup and never a .........

[Huey P. Freeman]

Always a backup and never a .........I would think you would be too busy to cling to my nutsack. Don't you have some undermining of father/daughter relationship to do?

[Tony Cano]

i'm not going after anyone. just want to clearly help offer the artist perspective, so please do not take this the wrong way.

since this scene is relatively small, we most likely know folks who make music in one way for another for a living. these people hustle and make great sacrifices in the name of art. many do not have 401k or health insurance. this music belongs to them. there are business plans for licensing music to sell through legal distribution channels. this is how these folks pay their bills and make their money. because you buy a copy of the their music, it does not mean you are allowed to re-package and sell. everytime to sell their music or give it away via an MP3, you are basicly taking money out of peoples pocket.

i must admit that this is a very difficult issue and the laws are clears. it is for this reason that I have taken my website off the internet many times. it is for this reason that my mixes are never posted at greater than 56kbps to 64kbps.

i welcome you to have this discussion with any of your musician/producer/artist friends in the music industry and see what kind of raction you get. if we continue to give their music away, and they are unable to make a living as a result, how do we expect them to survive?

t

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

i'm not going after anyone. just want to clearly help offer the artist perspective, so please do not take this the wrong way.

since this scene is relatively small, we most likely know folks who make music in one way for another for a living. these people hustle and make great sacrifices in the name of art. many do not have 401k or health insurance. this music belongs to them. there are business plans for licensing music to sell through legal distribution channels. this is how these folks pay their bills and make their money. because you buy a copy of the their music, it does not mean you are allowed to re-package and sell. everytime to sell their music or give it away via an MP3, you are basicly taking money out of peoples pocket.

i must admit that this is a very difficult issue and the laws are clears. it is for this reason that I have taken my website off the internet many times. it is for this reason that my mixes are never posted at greater than 56kbps to 64kbps. currently my mixes are hosted by podomatic and it is my hopes that they have some level of agreement in place with the powers that be.

i welcome you to have this discussion with any of your musician/producer/artist friends in the music industry and see what kind of raction you get. if we continue to give their music away, and they are unable to make a living as a result, how do we expect them to survive?

t

Thanks for clarifying.How do you feel about websites like DHP that have many mixes old and new on it.Should gman have to go back and pay for music that was from mixes from the late seventies and early eighties.

I heard a mix featuring Unlimited touch,convertion etc,should those things have to be paid for?

[bassment groove]

I think there has to be a bit of common sense.

Most of the poeple in the house scene do not get rich, ofcourse there are a few exceptions but the artists and producers who make the music we all love so much deserve to be paid for what they do.

It's not CDs that are the issue it's the internet and the ability to share files instantly with people thousands of miles away. I could post a mix on here tonight and a large number of people could be playing it in their cars tomorrow.

DJs who put out mix sessions on websites and CDs need to be responsible. Use low bit rates so people can get a flavour for what you do but still need to seek out the tune properly to fully appreciate it. Use voice-overs to protect the artists' work in its pure form. If you have paid for a track, why should joe public get it free?

[Moksha]

Business is Business PHC, I make and sell ...mixed CD's all the time. Fact is I Buy 90% of my music, that gives me the right to play it.

:jpshakehead:

you cannot sell other people's music...


when and where do I go to make sure every artist on every song gets their 3 cents out of the CD I made?

when: before you sell a cd

where: to whomever owns the publishing rights

[Tony Cano]

Thanks for clarifying.How do you feel about websites like DHP that have many mixes old and new on it.Should gman have to go back and pay for music that was from mixes from the late seventies and early eighties.

I heard a mix featuring Unlimited touch,convertion etc,should those things have to be paid for?

Unlimited touch = yes
convertion = no, i'm not up on them...........

seriously though, most of the mixes on here are recorded off the radio anyway and are low quality.

t

[JMJ]

Unlimited touch = yes
convertion = no, i'm not up on them...........

seriously though, most of the mixes on here are recorded off the radio anyway and are low quality.

t

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Convertion

Convertion = Greg Carmichael, Leroy Burgess, Sonny Davenport, etc.

You're probably up on them and didn't even know it......JMJ :biggrin:

[Tony Cano]

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Convertion

Convertion = Greg Carmichael, Leroy Burgess, Sonny Davenport, etc.

You're probably up on them and didn't even know it......JMJ :biggrin:

you are correct my friend. :)

t

[Suspended]

she said it:

"The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new."

Common sense would tell us that she means writable CD's. There are STILL a lot of people who don't have the know how or equipment to do this, so it's quite new to a lot of people.

[Martin Red]

The making and selling of cd's is only new becaus cd's are relativley new.


and already it's old, also be defunct in the next decade, probably.

[Martin Red]

selling a mix cd is technically committing a crime...

simply 'buying' music does not necessarily give you the right to play it. this has been posted about ten thousand times on here and explained ten thousand times on here...including how music is licensed for cds that are commercially released and sold...and how artists get royalties etc...why do folks continue to play ignorant on a topic that has been covered so much?

cds are new? really?

I've bought ALL of the Dickly Gism CD comps, inc. Follow pee and I like to loose it loose it

[Martin Red]

Meanwhile, an interesting article in the current issue of Prospect by Robert Sandall, once a music industry executive, notes both the speed at which CDs have become a commodity - and how expensive tickets for live events have become:

Back in the 1980s, a seat at a concert by a superstar cost about the same as one CD album. By contrast, last summer you could have bought Madonna’s entire catalogue for less than half of what it cost to see her perform at Wembley Arena. The best seats in Madge’s house went for £160. With the Rolling Stones at Twickenham last August, a decent view would have set you back £150, or £350 for a seat on the side of the stage. To put this in historical perspective, when the Stones played Wembley in 1990, they took some stick for charging £25, top whack. Now that demand for live music is on the up, nobody bothers to complain about what it costs any more.

In this context, Prince’s decision to take a reported quarter of a million pounds to have his most recent CD on the cover of the Mail on Sunday, thus promoting his forthcoming concerts, seems inspired - even if he is able to do this because of the profile created by the marketing budgets formerly spent promoting him by record companies.

It’s easy to go over the record companies’ part in all of this. Their biggest mistake, in retrospect, was probably not ignoring the advent of digital music, but in imagining that the profits from the advent of the CD were permanent rather than fleeting. How often, after all, can consumers be persuaded to pay more for a product, and often one they already owned?

http://thenextwavefutures.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-slow-death-of-long-format-music/

[DJ Celeste Alexander]

i'm not going after anyone. just want to clearly help offer the artist perspective, so please do not take this the wrong way.

since this scene is relatively small, we most likely know folks who make music in one way for another for a living. these people hustle and make great sacrifices in the name of art. many do not have 401k or health insurance. this music belongs to them. there are business plans for licensing music to sell through legal distribution channels. this is how these folks pay their bills and make their money. because you buy a copy of the their music, it does not mean you are allowed to re-package and sell. everytime to sell their music or give it away via an MP3, you are basicly taking money out of peoples pocket.

i must admit that this is a very difficult issue and the laws are clears. it is for this reason that I have taken my website off the internet many times. it is for this reason that my mixes are never posted at greater than 56kbps to 64kbps.

i welcome you to have this discussion with any of your musician/producer/artist friends in the music industry and see what kind of raction you get. if we continue to give their music away, and they are unable to make a living as a result, how do we expect them to survive?

t

Thank you Tony, you have given me clarity about this subject, Mine is not to do anything to hurt the artist, but expose the music, I have however taken a page out of your book and set my controls for writeable cd's to a lower kbps. between 56 and64

[MarkK]

I hate to say this by 56/64k CDs are really hard to listen to on decent stereo.

[Tony Cano]

I hate to say this by 56/64k CDs are really hard to listen to on decent stereo.

lol - i agree. it's good enough to listen to on a crappy computer speakers. however, if you want to play on a decent stereo, you are encouraged to pay your hard earned money for a high quality file.

t

[BrazenMuse]

lol - i agree. it's good enough to listen to on a crappy computer speakers. however, if you want to play on a decent stereo, you are encouraged to pay your hard earned money for a high quality file.

t

agreed!

[SuzanneT]

lol - i agree. it's good enough to listen to on a crappy computer speakers. however, if you want to play on a decent stereo, you are encouraged to pay your hard earned money for a high quality file.

t
No offense but I can't stand to hear 56/64 on my pc either :shudder:.

[Tony Cano]

Thank you Tony, you have given me clarity about this subject, Mine is not to do anything to hurt the artist, but expose the music, I have however taken a page out of your book and set my controls for writeable cd's to a lower kbps. between 56 and64

i have argued your point behind the scenes long ago. not until i had a chance to see the other side lives that i truly started to get it. it's really i fine line to walk. i am glad we can have open discussion with out falling out.

t :)

[MarkK]

lol - i agree. it's good enough to listen to on a crappy computer speakers. however, if you want to play on a decent stereo, you are encouraged to pay your hard earned money for a high quality file.

t

Then don't make mixed CDs, there is no point at that bitrate.

[Tony Cano]

Then don't make mixed CDs, there is no point at that bitrate.

lol - agreed again. it all ties together.

t

[BrazenMuse]

Then don't make mixed CDs, there is no point at that bitrate.

some would argue that it would still promote the DJ. I'm not one to make the argument, but I've certainly heard it said.

You don't think that, even at a crappy rate, it might help the DJ generate some recognition?? Other than for the crappy bitrate?

[Huey P. Freeman]

some would argue that it would still promote the DJ. I'm not one to make the argument, but I've certainly heard it said.

You don't think that, even at a crappy rate, it might help the DJ generate some recognition?? Other than for the crappy bitrate?Probably more likely to give him a bad rep for giving out shitty quality cds.

[BrazenMuse]

Probably more likely to give him a bad rep for giving out shitty quality cds.

yeah, you are probably right. Just tryin' to see if there's anything salvageable from the sitch. Don't think so.

[she-pisces]

I would think you would be too busy to cling to my nutsack. Don't you have some undermining of father/daughter relationship to do?I thought that was a bee sting bump!