LOOSE JOINTS STARTS THIS WEDNESDAY!!!

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

http://www.you-are-a-huge-nerd.com/public/freepix/LooseJoints2x2Flyer_Page_1.jpg

We've been getting great feedback and we can't wait to see you there...

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

http://www.you-are-a-huge-nerd.com/public/freepix/PagesfromLooseJoints2x2Flyer.jpg

[Mark Herring]

whats the damage at the door.

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

In light of the economy, there will be

No Cover!

[Drrtynewyork]

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[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

http://deephousepage.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=041493

[D J 1 3 8]

man, that flyer is HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE man.

[Jolyon]

Good luck guys. Next time I'm in New York I'm bringing records haha graemlins/beerchug.gif

[houseaddict]

That be one long ass flyer!!! Those are the shits that you have to fold like six times to get in yo pocket!

[Drrtynewyork]

the flyer is only 2x2 , mad small

[El Mayimbe]

Hey Doug, i forgot to mention:
dont bring yer girl over cause she might want to get rid of your sorry ass and go for some "Dominican Luvin" ;)

GO U N Y C! :D

[imported_Chr_stopher]

sounds cooo

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
Hey Doug, i forgot to mention:
dont bring yer girl over cause she might want to get rid of your sorry ass and go for some "Dominican Luvin" ;)

GO U N Y C! :D you are banned!!! :D

[statuskuo]

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[ December 03, 2003, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: statuskuo ]

[statuskuo]

^

ia m gonna try to make it.

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
^

ia m gonna try to make it. Consider yourself 86'd if you don't.

Come by Guernica tonight for "Loose Joints". Tonight is the 1st night and it's free.

Guernica is located at 25 Ave. B, Btwn. 2nd & 3rd St. Jump Off at 10pm!

[AgentDoubleA]

I'd wish GoodLuck, but reading the description on your interview you won't need it. Great concept!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif
That pr firm you mentioned sounds interesting also. Drop some knowledge my way when ya get it runnin'. graemlins/respekt.gif

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Originally posted by AgentDoubleA:
I'd wish GoodLuck, but reading the description on your interview you won't need it. Great concept!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif
That pr firm you mentioned sounds interesting also. Drop some knowledge my way when ya get it runnin'. graemlins/respekt.gif Thanks!

FYI, I think more people are reading that interview than would like to admit, check the number of reads compared to the other Bounce FM interviews... it just freaked me out.

[statuskuo]

me ME ME ME EM E MEM ME!

[eleeut]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
me ME ME ME EM E MEM ME! the Donger = self-obsessed attention wh*re

=)

[ December 03, 2003, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: eleeut ]

[jimmymack-2000]

Break a leg tonight.

[Drrtynewyork]

hooooooooooo graemlins/OLA.gif

[ December 03, 2003, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: DOUG GOMEZ ]

[mdpm99]

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d

[ December 04, 2003, 07:41 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Moksha]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d is this a quote from someone else?

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d is this a quote from someone else? </font>[/QUOTE]All along the Watch Tower......Jimi Hendrix

d

[Drrtynewyork]

thanks to all who came by last night

next week we start @ 8pm!
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[drilla]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right?

[drilla]

i thought last night was great...richie and doug really put something good together...

nice job guys.

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by matthew j:
i thought last night was great...richie and doug really put something good together...

nice job guys. thanka matt for coming thru!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d

[El Mayimbe]

sorry I didnt make it last night fellas, car trouble :(

[drilla]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]david,

i can dig that...i see your point. however, did it ever occur to you that they may have the same respect and love for this music and are using the name as an homage and it may have a deeper meaning?

i guess to me, since i know these cats and respect them as artists i see this party and their efforts as a positive thing.

[mhd]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Respect!

[Drrtynewyork]

yay!!! LOOSE JOINNTS PARTY WAS fun last night. no problems mayimbe, be there next week, we start at 8pm. we taking it earlier since many people have to work the next day and for the after wokr happy hour heads too.

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[jimmymack-2000]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
yay!!! LOOSE JOINNTS PARTY WAS fun last night. no problems mayimbe, be there next week, we start at 8pm. we taking it earlier since many people have to work the next day and for the after wokr happy hour heads too.

graemlins/OLA.gif Glad you guys had a good night, especially since it was so cold yesterday...

[D J 1 3 8]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
All along the Watch Tower......Jimi Hendrix

d Forgive me David, but if we're talking about giving credit where credit is due, shouldn't Mr. Dylan get the credit for this? Correct me if I'm wrong. Peace.

[Bill Blake]

Dave with all due respect, I could understand your point if they were ripping off the name of an older party like say ‘The Loft’ or The Music Box, then I could understand where you are coming from and that would be a flagrant disrespect.

However, naming your party after a music group, a group that had one of the most influential New York club classics of all time seem to me to be a different and acceptable thing to do.

Lose Joints is part of ‘house/club culture’ and for someone in that culture at present to pull a name of something from the past (any term except another clubs name), symbolizes a continuum.

Its like if you opened up a blues club and you used the name of an old blues song as the name of your place, which would be quite different from using the name of an older blues club.

Its different. I mean if they WERE a musical group instead of a party and called themselves Lose Joints, that would be something to be upset about…..

In this case, I really don’t see anything wrong with it.

New party with old party name= bad lame biter shit

New party with old club culture icon name(thats not an older party)= Ok to do

[ December 04, 2003, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[El Mayimbe]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
yay!!! LOOSE JOINNTS PARTY WAS fun last night. no problems mayimbe, be there next week, we start at 8pm. we taking it earlier since many people have to work the next day and for the after wokr happy hour heads too.

graemlins/OLA.gif sweet,

damn looks like I'll be there the whole night since i gotta stop by 3 other spots as well :rolleyes:

and tell thsoe folks who "need to go to bed early" to quit being such pansys!

[mattymatt]

yeah, i see it as a tribute. those two words have many meanings, sounds like a fun party name to me.
I believe its done with respect, and there's no harm in that.

[drilla]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
All along the Watch Tower......Jimi Hendrix

d Forgive me David, but if we're talking about giving credit where credit is due, shouldn't Mr. Dylan get the credit for this? Correct me if I'm wrong. Peace. </font>[/QUOTE]not attempting to derail a thread or anything but i just wanted to say that in the past year i have a new found love for bob dylan...truly an amazing songwriter/storyteller...very inspiring.

[Bill Blake]

But then, I always thought they should have called it 'Stool Pigeon' in the first place.

[statuskuo]

After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters!

[simon b]

Jamie, so by your logic it would be okay to call my next party David Mancuso ?

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by simon b:
Jamie, so by your logic it would be okay to call my next party David Mancuso ? "ZZZZZzzzzz Canuck House" would have been more fitting

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters! hey i like that name "LOOSE DISCO BALL" ...drink specials plus disco ball landings on your head

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by simon b:
Jamie, so by your logic it would be okay to call my next party David Mancuso ? Well go ahead but that would be pretty dumb wouldnt it?

Why because its not really about 'my logic' is it?

A party named Lose Joints sounds cool doesnt it?

A party named Dave Mancuso does not.

But what if I had a band called The Loft?

What if I had a club called First Choice?

or

Nu Nu's

Or

Club Lonely

Or hell

The world (that was the name of a band)

Or

Adonis

Or

Chic

Or

Fatbacks

And so on and so on.....

By YOUR logic does that seem so far fetched or even 'disrespectful' or not creative?

[statuskuo]

Lennox, you should have gotten paid a % on the sales $ of "Space Riders".

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
Lennox, you should have gotten paid a % on the sales $ of "Space Riders". Fucking word yo

Somebody get Spinna in contact with me NOW!

[JoeB]

i had a blast last night, fellas. great music and an even better vibe.

looking forward to the next one.

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by JoeB:
i had a blast last night, fellas. great music and an even better vibe.

looking forward to the next one. thanks joe b , those 3 girls you came with were hot! didnt one of them slap matt in the face for being fresh?

[statuskuo]

re: parties,

Love Committee was a pet of mine.

WHAM! will be my next.

[drilla]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JoeB:
i had a blast last night, fellas. great music and an even better vibe.

looking forward to the next one. thanks joe b , those 3 girls you came with were hot! didnt one of them slap matt in the face for being fresh? </font>[/QUOTE]im wicked fresh!

[Digiman]

My Great-Grandfather had a gerbil called Frankie Knuckles; does that mean I can sue Frankie Knuckles for stealing the name?

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
re: parties,

Love Committee was a pet of mine.

WHAM! will be my next. lennox wants to name his next dog Love Saves the Day

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Dave with all due respect, I could understand your point if they were ripping off the name of an older party like say ‘The Loft’ or The Music Box, then I could understand where you are coming from and that would be a flagrant disrespect.

However, naming your party after a music group, a group that had one of the most influential New York club classics of all time seem to me to be a different and acceptable thing to do.

Lose Joints is part of ‘house/club culture’ and for someone in that culture at present to pull a name of something from the past (any term except another clubs name), symbolizes a continuum.

Its like if you opened up a blues club and you used the name of an old blues song as the name of your place, which would be quite different from using the name of an older blues club.

Its different. I mean if they WERE a musical group instead of a party and called themselves Lose Joints, that would be something to be upset about…..

In this case, I really don’t see anything wrong with it.

New party with old party name= bad lame biter shit

New party with old club culture icon name(thats not an older party)= Ok to do Greetings:

I see no indication of this "inspiration" mentioned by them ... rather what I see is intellectual laziness for starters. And even if I did I would still be somewhat ..but less "protective" of what I believe is downright misuse of someone else's work/idenity. Lets face it....the scene is rampant with many reaching over the dinner table without even saying "excuse me" and often mugging someone else plate.

What happened to originality and creating your own true identity. Maybe then one could throw a (1) party theme around that vision.

There is a story around how Steve and Arthur came to using that title........most interesting. They were struggling over what to call the group as they were walking thru Washington Sq. Park. After a couple hours of discussing this they started walk out the park and they both agreed that the title "would come to them." No sooner that said someone was walking by them and said "Loose Joints." They looked at each and said, "That's it!"

d

[ December 04, 2003, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[daniel]

so wait, you didn't name the party after the This Mortal Coil song?

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
All along the Watch Tower......Jimi Hendrix

d Forgive me David, but if we're talking about giving credit where credit is due, shouldn't Mr. Dylan get the credit for this? Correct me if I'm wrong. Peace. </font>[/QUOTE]It was done with Bob Dylan's blessings and permission which speaks for itself.

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]david,

i can dig that...i see your point. however, did it ever occur to you that they may have the same respect and love for this music and are using the name as an homage and it may have a deeper meaning?

i guess to me, since i know these cats and respect them as artists i see this party and their efforts as a positive thing. </font>[/QUOTE]Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me I see no indication of this. What I see is a name/idenity being used, which most of us know where it came from.

d


d

[ December 04, 2003, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters! hey i like that name "LOOSE DISCO BALL" ...drink specials plus disco ball landings on your head </font>[/QUOTE]Now you are playing dirty pool. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

May I suggest you count your blessings and kept your karma healthy, ...and your "house" will survive almost any storm.

d

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters! hey i like that name "LOOSE DISCO BALL" ...drink specials plus disco ball landings on your head </font>[/QUOTE]Now you are playing dirty pool. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

May I suggest you count your blessings and kept your karma healthy, ...and your "house" will survive almost any storm.

d </font>[/QUOTE]personal attacks towards me will encounter the same in return. and i do not need someone telling me to count my blessings thank you very much.

and im a heavy believer in karma, disco balls falling on someone sounds like karma to me.

[drilla]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]david,

i can dig that...i see your point. however, did it ever occur to you that they may have the same respect and love for this music and are using the name as an homage and it may have a deeper meaning?

i guess to me, since i know these cats and respect them as artists i see this party and their efforts as a positive thing. </font>[/QUOTE]Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me I see no indication of this. What I see is a name/idenity being used, which most of us know where it came from.

d


d </font>[/QUOTE]you can always ask them...

what i see is two cats that love this music and want to throw a party for others that appreciate it as well...they use what means they can...pooling money for flyers/promotions...trying to get a number of different guests....etc.

it seems very positive to me...maybe it is because i know them and have discussed their vision...

you have alot of power in this "scene". your parties are exclusive and invite only because you are trying to go for a certain vibe...that is understandable...

these cats are not "icons" in this scene and trying to do their thing...trying to get their stuff going...and not for nothing they are trying to do it while everything around them is telling them to give up...rec stores closing...clubs with no attendance...nyc club laws on the offensive..etc.

they know they will not make any money or become "successful" at throwing a dance music party this day and age...in nyc...

but they do it anyway...i think that right there is something extrememly positive.

but, we may see this in a different way because we both have different experiences that have molded us...i can dig that.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters! hey i like that name "LOOSE DISCO BALL" ...drink specials plus disco ball landings on your head </font>[/QUOTE]Now you are playing dirty pool. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif -

May I suggest you count your blessings and kept your karma healthy, ...and your "house" will survive almost any storm.

d </font>[/QUOTE]personal attacks towards me will encounter the same in return. and i do not need someone telling me to count my blessings thank you very much.

and im a heavy believer in karma, disco balls falling on someone sounds like karma to me. </font>[/QUOTE]What you are refering too was an accident resulting in one minor scratch and one bruise.

For the record, no one's head was involved.

peace

d

[JL]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Respect! </font>[/QUOTE]how do you feel about Dorian's spot?

[Bougie Soliterre]

I'm confused here- was there a previous party names Loose Joints or is it just the artist?

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]david,

i can dig that...i see your point. however, did it ever occur to you that they may have the same respect and love for this music and are using the name as an homage and it may have a deeper meaning?

i guess to me, since i know these cats and respect them as artists i see this party and their efforts as a positive thing. </font>[/QUOTE]Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me I see no indication of this. What I see is a name/idenity being used, which most of us know where it came from.

d


d </font>[/QUOTE]you can always ask them...

what i see is two cats that love this music and want to throw a party for others that appreciate it as well...they use what means they can...pooling money for flyers/promotions...trying to get a number of different guests....etc.

it seems very positive to me...maybe it is because i know them and have discussed their vision...

you have alot of power in this "scene". your parties are exclusive and invite only because you are trying to go for a certain vibe...that is understandable...

these cats are not "icons" in this scene and trying to do their thing...trying to get their stuff going...and not for nothing they are trying to do it while everything around them is telling them to give up...rec stores closing...clubs with no attendance...nyc club laws on the offensive..etc.

they know they will not make any money or become "successful" at throwing a dance music party this day and age...in nyc...

but they do it anyway...i think that right there is something extrememly positive.

but, we may see this in a different way because we both have different experiences that have molded us...i can dig that. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with most of your points......if I didn't care I would have not have said anything. I hope that their party will be a success...I never said anything other than that re them or anyone else. The more parties the better. If one is to be succesful it must be rooted in "your own thing" without any blurs or conflits of interest. Think about it.....10 years from now if the same party is still going, which I would hope it would, the Name of the Party is still rooted elsewhere and was done without giving the proper respects. We have to respect each other and give each other space.

d

[ December 04, 2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[DeesKo]

What does any of that have to do with someone biting ?

Paying respect to the music and the scene is done by throwing a proper party, introducing new people to the music and expanding its reach in the essence in which it was created, copying a well known name or phrase is at the very least biting, and uncreative, and its very worst its piggybacking off of something else to catch your own fame.

I dont know these cats so I can't and wouldn't expect the worst, but at the same time, it is biting and it is uncreative.

I'm not an icon, I have no power, I'm gonna start DJ'ing hip-hop and using your name to help me gain a foothold in the scene, is that cool Matt ?

The fact that this discussion has turned into people jabbing @ David is, in my eyes, indicative of how much HOMAGE anyone is trying to pay to anything unless it benefits them.

Shall I copy/paste the opinions voiced elsewhere on the group Loose Joints so as to prove the amount of "homage" paid ?

[ December 04, 2003, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: DeesKo ]

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Dave with all due respect, I could understand your point if they were ripping off the name of an older party like say ‘The Loft’ or The Music Box, then I could understand where you are coming from and that would be a flagrant disrespect.

However, naming your party after a music group, a group that had one of the most influential New York club classics of all time seem to me to be a different and acceptable thing to do.

Lose Joints is part of ‘house/club culture’ and for someone in that culture at present to pull a name of something from the past (any term except another clubs name), symbolizes a continuum.

Its like if you opened up a blues club and you used the name of an old blues song as the name of your place, which would be quite different from using the name of an older blues club.

Its different. I mean if they WERE a musical group instead of a party and called themselves Lose Joints, that would be something to be upset about…..

In this case, I really don’t see anything wrong with it.

New party with old party name= bad lame biter shit

New party with old club culture icon name(thats not an older party)= Ok to do Greetings:

I see no indication of this "inspiration" mentioned by them ... rather what I see is intellectual laziness for starters. And even if I did I would still be somewhat ..but less "protective" of what I believe is downright misuse of someone else's work/idenity. Lets face it....the scene is rampant with many reaching over the dinner table without even saying "excuse me" and often mugging someone else plate.

What happened to originality and creating your own true identity. Maybe then one could throw a (1) party theme around that vision.

There is a story around how Steve and Arthur came to using that title........most interesting. They were struggling over what to call the group as they were walking thru Washington Sq. Park. After a couple hours of discussing this they started walk out the park and they both agreed that the title "would come to them." No sooner that said someone was walking by them and said "Loose Joints." They looked at each and said, "That's it!"

d </font>[/QUOTE]I understand where you are coming from Dave, but my argument isn’t whether or not using the name of an old music group for the name of a club doesn’t have to be justified by intent of use, its that from ‘band name’ to ‘club name’ is not THAT much of a ‘bite’.

I understand you mean well when you say the name of your party should have some sort of identity or purpose that is unique to you and your party, not that it is a justification but Im really not so sure that most people that throw parties ever consider the name in that regard.

For instance, any fucking party’s name that doesn’t have the damn word ‘Soul’ in it is breath of fresh air to me. Soul this, Soul that, and then fucking Deep this and Deep that…

Soul and fucking Deep, those are the terms of stale conformity an unoriginality in the party name game.

Speaking of which, I have a question for you…..

Based on your perspective how do you feel about FK, Krivit and Joe using ‘Body and Soul’ for the name of their party?

I mean after all, Body and Soul is the name of an old Jazz standard written waaaaaaaaaay before the creation of their party.

Are they not biting the title of someone else’s musical composition as the name of their party, which is in no way different from someone biting the name of a musical group for their party????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????

Think about it.

[mhd]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Respect! </font>[/QUOTE]how do you feel about Dorian's spot? </font>[/QUOTE]i have mad love and deep respect for dorian

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
I'm confused here- was there a previous party names Loose Joints or is it just the artist? Just the artists

[drilla]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
you can always ask them...

what i see is two cats that love this music and want to throw a party for others that appreciate it as well...they use what means they can...pooling money for flyers/promotions...trying to get a number of different guests....etc.

it seems very positive to me...maybe it is because i know them and have discussed their vision...

you have alot of power in this "scene". your parties are exclusive and invite only because you are trying to go for a certain vibe...that is understandable...

these cats are not "icons" in this scene and trying to do their thing...trying to get their stuff going...and not for nothing they are trying to do it while everything around them is telling them to give up...rec stores closing...clubs with no attendance...nyc club laws on the offensive..etc.

they know they will not make any money or become "successful" at throwing a dance music party this day and age...in nyc...

but they do it anyway...i think that right there is something extrememly positive.

but, we may see this in a different way because we both have different experiences that have molded us...i can dig that. What does any of that have to do with someone biting ?

Paying respect to the music and the scene is done by throwing a proper party, introducing new people to the music and expanding its reach in the essence in which it was created, copying a well known name or phrase is at the very least biting, and uncreative, and its very worst its piggybacking off of something else to catch your own fame.

I dont know these cats so I can't and wouldn't expect the worst, but at the same time, it is biting and it is uncreative.

I'm not an icon, I have no power, I'm gonna start DJ'ing hip-hop and using your name to help me gain a foothold in the scene, is that cool Matt ?

The fact that this discussion has turned into people jabbing @ David is, in my eyes, indicative of how much HOMAGE anyone is trying to pay to anything unless it benefits them. </font>[/QUOTE]deesko, if you did try to use my name as your own i would battle you in front of the world and prove why it is my name and not yours...but, that is just me and how i handle stuff like that...

i think this thread turned into quick jabs and negativity because david came out pretty strong with his ideas and it casted a shadow on someone else's work...it is hard enough to get something going in this town without an "icon" saying negative things about it...we all have our opinions though.

i really do not think this is a case of biting...if it was someone's else's name of a party...yeah, i can see that as biting...but, it wasn't a name of a previous party...

[Bill Blake]

This is what it boils down to.....

question

Based on your perspective how do you feel about FK, Krivit and Joe using ‘Body and Soul’ for the name of their party?

I mean after all, Body and Soul is the name of an old Jazz standard written waaaaaaaaaay before the creation of their party.

Are they not biting the title of someone else’s musical composition as the name of their party, which is in no way different from someone biting the name of a musical group for their party????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????

Think about it.

[mdpm99]

Greetings Desko:

Exactly. If they are to have a clear road ahead than one must look wisely and clearly. Otherwise it can come back at you when you least expect it.

Using your own idenity for starters is a good way to go. It is simply good business. One can always throw a given party to show respect for an artist(s).

d

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
This is what it boils down to.....

question

Based on your perspective how do you feel about FK, Krivit and Joe using ‘Body and Soul’ for the name of their party?

I mean after all, Body and Soul is the name of an old Jazz standard written waaaaaaaaaay before the creation of their party.

Are they not biting the title of someone else’s musical composition as the name of their party, which is in no way different from someone biting the name of a musical group for their party????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????

Think about it. there is an obvious distinction, but i will play along, and ask you this, if the answer is yes, then loose joints is biting, correct?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
This is what it boils down to.....

question

Based on your perspective how do you feel about FK, Krivit and Joe using ‘Body and Soul’ for the name of their party?

I mean after all, Body and Soul is the name of an old Jazz standard written waaaaaaaaaay before the creation of their party.

Are they not biting the title of someone else’s musical composition as the name of their party, which is in no way different from someone biting the name of a musical group for their party????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????

Think about it. there is an obvious distinction, but i will play along, and ask you this, if the answer is yes, then loose joints is biting, correct? </font>[/QUOTE]Oh please play play play along Markie Mark and the Funky Bunch....

Of course its biting.

[Drrtynewyork]

thanks matt & jamie. at least some people get it

"piggy backing off someone elses fame"?????? donger get ready!! the bucks are gonna roll in soon, we gonna be rich & famous!

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
you can always ask them...

what i see is two cats that love this music and want to throw a party for others that appreciate it as well...they use what means they can...pooling money for flyers/promotions...trying to get a number of different guests....etc.

it seems very positive to me...maybe it is because i know them and have discussed their vision...

you have alot of power in this "scene". your parties are exclusive and invite only because you are trying to go for a certain vibe...that is understandable...

these cats are not "icons" in this scene and trying to do their thing...trying to get their stuff going...and not for nothing they are trying to do it while everything around them is telling them to give up...rec stores closing...clubs with no attendance...nyc club laws on the offensive..etc.

they know they will not make any money or become "successful" at throwing a dance music party this day and age...in nyc...

but they do it anyway...i think that right there is something extrememly positive.

but, we may see this in a different way because we both have different experiences that have molded us...i can dig that. What does any of that have to do with someone biting ?

Paying respect to the music and the scene is done by throwing a proper party, introducing new people to the music and expanding its reach in the essence in which it was created, copying a well known name or phrase is at the very least biting, and uncreative, and its very worst its piggybacking off of something else to catch your own fame.

I dont know these cats so I can't and wouldn't expect the worst, but at the same time, it is biting and it is uncreative.

I'm not an icon, I have no power, I'm gonna start DJ'ing hip-hop and using your name to help me gain a foothold in the scene, is that cool Matt ?

The fact that this discussion has turned into people jabbing @ David is, in my eyes, indicative of how much HOMAGE anyone is trying to pay to anything unless it benefits them. </font>[/QUOTE]deesko, if you did try to use my name as your own i would battle you in front of the world and prove why it is my name and not yours...but, that is just me and how i handle stuff like that... </font>[/QUOTE]

Cool... I'll play downtempo instead of hip-hop and we'll be straight.




i think this thread turned into quick jabs and negativity because david came out pretty strong with his ideas and it casted a shadow on someone else's work...it is hard enough to get something going in this town without an "icon" saying negative things about it...we all have our opinions though.

Someone from the party could have approached this and explained that the song or that era of music had a strong impact on them and their taste in/philosophy in music and that they wanted to use the term to reference this ideal and that the term was actually referencing what they hoped their patrons would experience (loose joints, ie dancing) but hey, I mean, in the end, some people think its riding the coattails of a recognizable name, others don't.


Anyone involved in this party and the organization of that party I have one question :

Did you use that name because it was a easily recognizable name within the dance community ?

Peace

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by DeesKo:

Someone from the party could have approached this and explained that the song or that era of music had a strong impact on them and their taste in/philosophy in music and that they wanted to use the term to reference this ideal and that the term was actually referencing what they hoped their patrons would experience (loose joints, ie dancing) but hey, I mean, in the end, some people think its riding the coattails of a recognizable name, others don't.


Anyone involved in this party and the organization of that party I have one question :

Did you use that name because it was a easily recognizable name within the dance community ?

Peace recognizable? i guarantee you 3/4 if not more of the people who were there dont even know who loose joints were with all due respect to the artist. and i know this from the feedback we got on the name and flyers

edit: as a matter of fact, those who didnt know , we schooled them about who LOOSE JOINTS were


peesh!

[ December 04, 2003, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: DOUG GOMEZ ]

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
thanks matt & jamie. at least some people get it

"piggy backing off someone elses fame"?????? donger get ready!! the bucks are gonna roll in soon, we gonna be rich & famous! Dont thank me dumbass... I would have never named my party that shit.

I told you Stool Pigeon but you just dont want to listen!

[drilla]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
you can always ask them...

what i see is two cats that love this music and want to throw a party for others that appreciate it as well...they use what means they can...pooling money for flyers/promotions...trying to get a number of different guests....etc.

it seems very positive to me...maybe it is because i know them and have discussed their vision...

you have alot of power in this "scene". your parties are exclusive and invite only because you are trying to go for a certain vibe...that is understandable...

these cats are not "icons" in this scene and trying to do their thing...trying to get their stuff going...and not for nothing they are trying to do it while everything around them is telling them to give up...rec stores closing...clubs with no attendance...nyc club laws on the offensive..etc.

they know they will not make any money or become "successful" at throwing a dance music party this day and age...in nyc...

but they do it anyway...i think that right there is something extrememly positive.

but, we may see this in a different way because we both have different experiences that have molded us...i can dig that. What does any of that have to do with someone biting ?

Paying respect to the music and the scene is done by throwing a proper party, introducing new people to the music and expanding its reach in the essence in which it was created, copying a well known name or phrase is at the very least biting, and uncreative, and its very worst its piggybacking off of something else to catch your own fame.

I dont know these cats so I can't and wouldn't expect the worst, but at the same time, it is biting and it is uncreative.

I'm not an icon, I have no power, I'm gonna start DJ'ing hip-hop and using your name to help me gain a foothold in the scene, is that cool Matt ?

The fact that this discussion has turned into people jabbing @ David is, in my eyes, indicative of how much HOMAGE anyone is trying to pay to anything unless it benefits them. </font>[/QUOTE]deesko, if you did try to use my name as your own i would battle you in front of the world and prove why it is my name and not yours...but, that is just me and how i handle stuff like that... </font>[/QUOTE]

Cool... I'll play downtempo instead of hip-hop and we'll be straight.




i think this thread turned into quick jabs and negativity because david came out pretty strong with his ideas and it casted a shadow on someone else's work...it is hard enough to get something going in this town without an "icon" saying negative things about it...we all have our opinions though.

Someone from the party could have approached this and explained that the song or that era of music had a strong impact on them and their taste in/philosophy in music and that they wanted to use the term to reference this ideal and that the term was actually referencing what they hoped their patrons would experience (loose joints, ie dancing) but hey, I mean, in the end, some people think its riding the coattails of a recognizable name, others don't.


Anyone involved in this party and the organization of that party I have one question :

Did you use that name because it was a easily recognizable name within the dance community ?

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]word...we see it differently...

i dont even care anymore...

check me out over here:

www.beatsandwords.com (http://www.beatsandwords.com)

ps - i play alot of different genres...wanna test?

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
recognizable? i guarantee you 3/4 if not more of the people who were there dont even know who loose joints were with all due respect to the artist. and i know this from the feedback we got on the name and flyers I didn't ask that.

I asked whether YOU used that name because it was a name/phrase that was easily recognizable to you or not, due to your knowledge of the musical group ?

ie, did your knowledge of a semi-successful group from the past influence or initiate your use of that name as the namesake for your party ?

Peace

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by matthew j:

ps - i play alot of different genres...wanna test? the fact that you're so eager to "test" in order to prove rightful ownership of the name, even after I've offered to play a different genre of music than that which you are known for really just proves my point.

I commend you on it and I think its apppropriate to want to "test" me should I do something as foul as that, because in the end, I would be biting.

Peace

[John Hall]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters! hey i like that name "LOOSE DISCO BALL" ...drink specials plus disco ball landings on your head </font>[/QUOTE]Now you are playing dirty pool. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

May I suggest you count your blessings and kept your karma healthy, ...and your "house" will survive almost any storm.

d </font>[/QUOTE]personal attacks towards me will encounter the same in return. and i do not need someone telling me to count my blessings thank you very much.

and im a heavy believer in karma, disco balls falling on someone sounds like karma to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Doug.

I think David is understandably upset that your
party is named Loose Joints.
And given his
history, his intimate professional/musical and historical involvement
with Steve D'Aquisto and Arthur Russell and
others, it's
UNDERSTANDABLY REASONABLE
that he's upset.
I think he's made
a damn good argument.

Your flyer does not promote or communicate
ANYTHING that relates to the vibe or musical
roots or purpose of your party.
A naked woman...you're just using sex and
a drug reference to get bodies to show up as
I see it...I don't mean any disrespect, as I'm
a veteran of the promotion and club scene
myself.
In fact I worked at the space you're throwing
your party at between 1984 and 1991 when
it was called SAVE THE ROBOTS.

In my humble opinion you might consider and
reflect upon David's concerns and point of view,
and not interpret it as a "personal attack".

Also, I fail to see what point you're trying to
make in regards the disco ball incident
and your peculiar definition of Karma.

In my humble opininion, you should consider
changing the name of your party out of deference and respect to David Mancuso's
completely legitimate and reasonable objection
to your use of the name of the group that
was called Loose Joints.

And to be frank, I think it's a bad idea to use
a drug reference in the name of a party these
days.

I'm a pro-legalization type of person and a weed-head, but given the curret ANTI-CLUB
and anti-drug political climate, I don't like
to go to clubs where I CANNOT discretely
smoke herb.
With a club-nite called Loose Joints, attendance is out of the question until
you change the name and the dust settles.

In summary, I think that everyone has some
valid points, including and especially David.
And If I were in your shoes and David objected
to the party's name, I'd be understanding and
respectful to David and to the memories
of the late, great Steven D'Aquisto and Arthur
Russell.

[mdpm99]

My apologies to anyone if you were offended.

I am somewhat "thin skinned" when certain things occur especially when I feel it might hurt us and the overall scene. We are capable of so many wonderful things and yet we often shoot ourselves in the leg ...only because we are not thinking or caring how it might affect our neighbor. The world is a very small town and we must do things in a manner so that we can always feel good about each other and there by giving our full support to one another.

d

[ December 04, 2003, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[drilla]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:

ps - i play alot of different genres...wanna test? the fact that you're so eager to "test" in order to prove rightful ownership of the name, even after I've offered to play a different genre of music than that which you are known for really just proves my point.

I commend you on it and I think its apppropriate to want to "test" me should I do something as foul as that, because in the end, I would be biting.

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]dude, i dont care anymore...

you didnt answer my question....

[drilla]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
My apologies to anyone if you were offended.

I am somewhat "thin skinned" when certain things occur especially when I feel it might hurt us and the overall scene. We are capable of so many wonderful things and yet we often shoot ourselves in the leg ...only because we are not thinking or caring how it might affect our neighbor. The world is a very small town and we must do things in a manner so that we can always feel good about each other and there by giving our full support to one another.

d good words. smile.gif

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by John Hall:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by statuskuo:
After last nite's outing to L.J., I think Loose Disco Ball or Loose Loins would have been a more apt name. change it now, Richie/Doug! you two are biters! hey i like that name "LOOSE DISCO BALL" ...drink specials plus disco ball landings on your head </font>[/QUOTE]Now you are playing dirty pool. graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

May I suggest you count your blessings and kept your karma healthy, ...and your "house" will survive almost any storm.

d </font>[/QUOTE]personal attacks towards me will encounter the same in return. and i do not need someone telling me to count my blessings thank you very much.

and im a heavy believer in karma, disco balls falling on someone sounds like karma to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Doug.

I think David is understandably upset that your
party is named Loose Joints.
And given his
history, his intimate professional/musical and historical involvement
with Steve D'Aquisto and Arthur Russell and
others, it's
UNDERSTANDABLY REASONABLE
that he's upset.
I think he's made
a damn good argument.

Your flyer does not promote or communicate
ANYTHING that relates to the vibe or musical
roots or purpose of your party.
A naked woman...you're just using sex and
a drug reference to get bodies to show up as
I see it...I don't mean any disrespect, as I'm
a veteran of the promotion and club scene
myself.
In fact I worked at the space you're throwing
your party at between 1984 and 1991 when
it was called SAVE THE ROBOTS.

In my humble opinion you might consider and
reflect upon David's concerns and point of view,
and not interpret it as a "personal attack".

Also, I fail to see what point you're trying to
make in regards the disco ball incident
and your peculiar definition of Karma.

In my humble opininion, you should consider
changing the name of your party out of deference and respect to David Mancuso's
completely legitimate and reasonable objection
to your use of the name of the group that
was called Loose Joints.

And to be frank, I think it's a bad idea to use
a drug reference in the name of a party these
days.

I'm a pro-legalization type of person and a weed-head, but given the curret ANTI-CLUB
and anti-drug political climate, I don't like
to go to clubs where I CANNOT discretely
smoke herb.
With a club-nite called Loose Joints, attendance is out of the question until
you change the name and the dust settles.

In summary, I think that everyone has some
valid points, including and especially David.
And If I were in your shoes and David objected
to the party's name, I'd be understanding and
respectful to David and to the memories
of the late, great Steven D'Aquisto and Arthur
Russell. </font>[/QUOTE]a naked woman??? what flyer are you looking at buddy. please, if youre gonna jump into the convo get the facts straight. there was no woman on the flyer.

nuff said.


YAY LOOSE JOINTS

[ December 04, 2003, 02:08 PM: Message edited by: DOUG GOMEZ ]

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by matthew j:


you didnt answer my question.... If you still want an answer to your question, you obviously do still care.

[JL]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Respect! </font>[/QUOTE]how do you feel about Dorian's spot? </font>[/QUOTE]i have mad love and deep respect for dorian </font>[/QUOTE]No disrepect, I'm only trying to see how his use of:

"The Sanctuary, DC's only Shelter for your Body & Soul" - that's 3 for the price of 1, according to Mancuso's argument.

is any different.

[DeesKo]

ultimately, in the end, good luck with the party. Names aside, I hope it does well and I hope you all do live up to your own expectations.

peace

[Digiman]

Sometimes music needs a bit of disrespect. Shakes it up a bit, like when punk came along.

[Drrtynewyork]

people always talk about support this and support that but most do nothing for the scene except complain and whine.

ive done many parties in the past for FREE. im a party dj and i do parties for fun cause i love making people dance and i want my dj friends to play. i dont do parties for $$$, i would have died from starvation already, especially in house music.

there are very few people i have respect when it comes to all this trash talk and a couple for sure are lil ray and timmy.


just cause youre a dj at a "club" doesnt make you a supporter of the scene

[John Hall]

a naked woman??? what flyer are you looking at buddy. please, if youre gonna jump into the convo get the facts straight. there was no women on the flyer.

nuff said.

YAY LOOSE JOINTS It's on the first page of this now 4 page thread.

If that''s not the flyer you were promoting this
party with, then what is???

Just post a link to the artwork you DID use
if that's not the artwork.

Doug, take a deep breath and respond
to my comments please...
no need to slam me for
refering to the FLYER ARTWORK FOR
YOUR PARTY
that's posted at the beginning
of this thread.

I want to go to and support your
party if it's as good as I know you want it
to be...I'm not attacking you or your party.

YAY ARTHUR RUSSELL!!! RIP!

[mhd]

Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Respect! </font>[/QUOTE]how do you feel about Dorian's spot? </font>[/QUOTE]i have mad love and deep respect for dorian </font>[/QUOTE]No disrepect, I'm only trying to see how his use of:

"The Sanctuary, DC's only Shelter for your Body & Soul" - that's 3 for the price of 1, according to Mancuso's argument.

is any different. </font>[/QUOTE]check david's argument again, check with dorian, there are distinctions

[domodisco]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
graemlins/jpshakehead.gif


Here we go again! It is the same Old Sh*t! When will we learn that we don't eat our young! We just keep poisoning the well, OVER and OVER, AGAIN and AGAIN ...like it was nothin. graemlins/conf44.gif

Keep on cannibalizing this scene and b-4 you know it there will nothing left! graemlins/puke.gif

I happen to be there when Loose Joints was born...in fact I was the midwife.....so I know who the real parents are and it ain't you, nor would it, could it, or EVER be you.

Shame, Shame, Shame on you. I suggest you go to the library and look for a dictionary. When you find such a book you can look for some "original words" that will reflect you and not take the good name of someone else's child and exploit it with your whims of I, me, mine. That is genocide, my brother! Maybe "loose screws" might be more fitting.

Wake up and smell the roses! I am sure that Arthur Russell and Steve D'Aquisto will be forgiving if you mend your fence and weed your garden while you still have time in your life.

graemlins/shudder.gif

d i just read this and was really curious as to what you were talking about...it seems you basically scolded these cats for throwing a party because it holds the same name as something else...

is that right? </font>[/QUOTE]Grettings matthew j:

That is correct.

All they do is dig their own graves, because to me them doing that reinforces the impression I have that they simply have no creativity, individuality nor are they capable of doing anything innovative. People like that may have a moment of success or celebrity"ism" but eventually they fade out like the burnt out sheep that they are.

I feel that I must speak out for those who are not here to speak for themselves and who were dear friends of mine and to the spirit of music. I will protect whatever/whenever it is necessary that what I feel is righteous.

d </font>[/QUOTE]Respect! </font>[/QUOTE]how do you feel about Dorian's spot? </font>[/QUOTE]i have mad love and deep respect for dorian </font>[/QUOTE]No disrepect, I'm only trying to see how his use of:

"The Sanctuary, DC's only Shelter for your Body & Soul" - that's 3 for the price of 1, according to Mancuso's argument.

is any different. </font>[/QUOTE]check david's argument again, check with dorian, there are distinctions </font>[/QUOTE]What about Bang the Party?

[ December 04, 2003, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: domodisco ]

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by John Hall:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />a naked woman??? what flyer are you looking at buddy. please, if youre gonna jump into the convo get the facts straight. there was no women on the flyer.

nuff said.

YAY LOOSE JOINTS It's on the first page of this now 4 page thread.

If that''s not the flyer you were promoting this
party with, then what is???

Just post a link to the artwork you DID use
if that's not the artwork.

Doug, take a deep breath and respond
to my comments please...
no need to slam me for
refering to the FLYER ARTWORK FOR
YOUR PARTY
that's posted at the beginning
of this thread.

I want to go to and support your
party if it's as good as I know you want it
to be...I'm not attacking you or your party.

YAY ARTHUR RUSSELL!!! RIP! </font>[/QUOTE]thats kais flyer, not ours, kai did that for fun.

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by John Hall:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />a naked woman??? what flyer are you looking at buddy. please, if youre gonna jump into the convo get the facts straight. there was no women on the flyer.

nuff said.

YAY LOOSE JOINTS It's on the first page of this now 4 page thread.

If that''s not the flyer you were promoting this
party with, then what is???

Just post a link to the artwork you DID use
if that's not the artwork.

Doug, take a deep breath and respond
to my comments please...
no need to slam me for
refering to the FLYER ARTWORK FOR
YOUR PARTY
that's posted at the beginning
of this thread.

I want to go to and support your
party if it's as good as I know you want it
to be...I'm not attacking you or your party.

YAY ARTHUR RUSSELL!!! RIP! </font>[/QUOTE]Why are you assuming that the use of the word 'joints' is a drug metaphor?

And also, just because a photo is a nude, does not imply that it is a 'sex' photo.

So back around again....

How do you feel about the use of the name 'Body and Soul' for the name of a party when another artist named their song that first?

Whats the difference...

[drilla]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:


you didnt answer my question.... If you still want an answer to your question, you obviously do still care. </font>[/QUOTE]seriously yo...yo are confusing the two thoughts going on here..

i don't care anymore about biting this or that...or the loose joints stuff...i think all the ideas are out there and everyone can go and make their own opinion and whatnot...jolly fuckin ya...

im just asking if you wanna test my skills...i like competition and am always down for it..

stop twisting my thoughts around...i dont agree with all of your points on this particularly topic...it's okay that that happens...resepect and peace are still about...

listen fucko, you wanna battle...you know where to find me.

peace!

[Drrtynewyork]

this is the real flyer people, not the one with the naked girl, that was a joke from someone else


http://www.statuskuo.com/index_content/events/loosejoints.jpg

[Bill Blake]

Yea but Doug according to the way Jon Hall is interpreting things ‘Lose Joints’ means limp penis…but there is a girls mouth to suck on it so it can make it hard and sucking on it is like smoking a joint.

You’re a fucking pervert for real Doug….Ew!

[ December 04, 2003, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by domodisco:
What about Bang the Party? Oh shit! Fucking SNAP!

I forgot about that one!

Yea, so what about Bang The Party??????????

[Drrtynewyork]

mr. mancuso

just to lay this to rest , at least for now (donger is not around to respond to all this)

i have the upmost respect for you and LOOSE JOINTS artist. we had no intention of exploiting the name or "piggybacking of their fame"

the name was used cause it described the intentions of our party.. to make people get loose to all joints (meaning hiphop, reggae, dance, electro etc)

we use this name in the upmost respect and respect the music as i said before we tell everyone who LOOSE JOINTS were and how that era influenced us.

thank you


peesh!

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
this is the real flyer people, not the one with the naked girl, that was a joke from someone else


http://www.statuskuo.com/index_content/events/loosejoints.jpg Greetings Doug:

Is it my puter? The pic is not coming up.

Please advise

d

[mhd]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
mr. mancuso

just to lay this to rest , at least for now (donger is not around to respond to all this)

i have the upmost respect for you and LOOSE JOINTS artist. we had no intention of exploiting the name or "piggybacking of their fame"

the name was used cause it described the intentions of our party.. to make people get loose to all joints (meaning hiphop, reggae, dance, electro etc)

we use this name in the upmost respect and respect the music as i said before we tell everyone who LOOSE JOINTS were and how that era influenced us.

thank you


peesh! didn't he say something different in the interview?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
didn't he say something different in the interview? You actually read that crap?

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
didn't he say something different in the interview? You actually read that crap? </font>[/QUOTE]great for constipation

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
mr. mancuso

just to lay this to rest , at least for now (donger is not around to respond to all this)

i have the upmost respect for you and LOOSE JOINTS artist. we had no intention of exploiting the name or "piggybacking of their fame"

the name was used cause it described the intentions of our party.. to make people get loose to all joints (meaning hiphop, reggae, dance, electro etc)

we use this name in the upmost respect and respect the music as i said before we tell everyone who LOOSE JOINTS were and how that era influenced us.

thank you


peesh! didn't he say something different in the interview? </font>[/QUOTE]no he did not. MHD do you go out and do partys? do you "support" the scene in anyway besides riding other peoples posts?

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
this is the real flyer people, not the one with the naked girl, that was a joke from someone else


http://www.statuskuo.com/index_content/events/loosejoints.jpg Greetings Doug:

Is it my puter? The pic is not coming up.

Please advise

d </font>[/QUOTE]i see it, yo lennox can u see the flyer you dumb wino

[Bill Blake]

Yes and the drugs and the sex you are promoting too!

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Yes and the drugs and the sex you are promoting too! why are you my friend again???

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Yes and the drugs and the sex you are promoting too! why are you my friend again??? </font>[/QUOTE]Im not dude, Im riding on your party so when I throw mine 'Relaxed Cartilage' it already has a familar ring to it for party goers.

[DeesKo]

Originally posted by matthew j:

listen fucko, you wanna battle...you know where to find me.

peace! hahahaaha

peace

[ December 04, 2003, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: DeesKo ]

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Yes and the drugs and the sex you are promoting too! why are you my friend again??? </font>[/QUOTE]Im not dude, Im riding on your party so when I throw mine 'Relaxed Cartilage' it already has a familar ring to it for party goers. </font>[/QUOTE]shut up!! you already have a party retardo , its called the "COOKOUT", nor rain, sleet, snow or 30 degree weather will dampen the COOKOUT

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
mr. mancuso

just to lay this to rest , at least for now (donger is not around to respond to all this)

i have the upmost respect for you and LOOSE JOINTS artist. we had no intention of exploiting the name or "piggybacking of their fame"

the name was used cause it described the intentions of our party.. to make people get loose to all joints (meaning hiphop, reggae, dance, electro etc)

we use this name in the upmost respect and respect the music as i said before we tell everyone who LOOSE JOINTS were and how that era influenced us.

thank you


peesh! Greetings Doug:

As Jamie pointed out earlier, Loose Joints (group)
- Is It All Over My Face (title) is rooted in our community of dance and music. My concern is that if used to "loosely" then we may inadvertently affect some of its historical roots. However if the flyer had in small print and said .. special thanks to the group: Loose Joints/Arthur Russell-Steve D'Aquistio ---then I can see a continuum of sorts and can live with that. If it wasn't intended that way then it should somehow be made clear as it is all connected.

I always felt that the more parties going on the better. Over the years, it is has been my most feverant (spel) wish to give a helping hand when asked, ....and was given the same in return. Often in a moment of crisis the community would come together to help in anyway one could. With the current conditions things are rough enough just to have a party ......and at the same time we are too often held back and are at the bottom of the totem pole.

It is up to us individually and as a community to hold together and help each other so that we may all succeed, grow, and take root through the gift of music.

I wish you both much success and hope that the original name Loose Joints will be held in the proper perceptive and light. The "ball" is in your court and it's your serve.. smile.gif

d

[drilla]

Originally posted by DeesKo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by matthew j:

listen fucko, you wanna battle...you know where to find me.

peace! hahahaaha

peace </font>[/QUOTE]smile.gif

[Moksha]

David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense?

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
http://statuskuo.com/temp/misc/ls.jpg Poor Kai the artist....

No one got that the picture was of a person with 'lose joints' and that it really didnt have anything to do with sex.

[mhd]

what da hell is that thing in her hand?

[lbs]

Originally posted by mhd:
check david's argument again, check with dorian, there are distinctions that's a cop out Mark, JL asked your own personal opinion, something i would like to hear myself.

hyprocrisy is runnin rampant right now.

[ December 04, 2003, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: lbs ]

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d

[Bill Blake]

Originally posted by mhd:
what da hell is that thing in her hand? I keep wanting to think its that stick a conductor uses....whats it called???

[mhd]

baton

[mhd]

Originally posted by lbs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
check david's argument again, check with dorian, there are distinctions that's a cop out Mark, JL asked your own personal opinion, something i would like to hear myself.

hyprocrisy is runnin rampant right now. </font>[/QUOTE]i'm wounded

[lbs]

Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lbs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
check david's argument again, check with dorian, there are distinctions that's a cop out Mark, JL asked your own personal opinion, something i would like to hear myself.

hyprocrisy is runnin rampant right now. </font>[/QUOTE]i'm wounded </font>[/QUOTE]you are driving me crazy with your responses.

[mhd]

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
what da hell is that thing in her hand? I keep wanting to think its that stick a conductor uses....whats it called??? </font>[/QUOTE]kai shoulda used the curry fountain shot, talk about loose

[domodisco]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'?

[mhd]

Originally posted by lbs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lbs:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
check david's argument again, check with dorian, there are distinctions that's a cop out Mark, JL asked your own personal opinion, something i would like to hear myself.

hyprocrisy is runnin rampant right now. </font>[/QUOTE]i'm wounded </font>[/QUOTE]you are driving me crazy with your responses. </font>[/QUOTE]sorry bro, i just don't want to speak for dorian, but i will say this, david says don't bite, but if you do, do it in a "proper" way, originators have every right to complain or support, i've seen support

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'? </font>[/QUOTE]One should give credit where it is DUE.

d

[Nicholas]

Posting late because ive been sick and not online.

To david,

Richie and Doug are two of the realest people in NYC when it comes down to motivation. All they care about is having the right vibe, people being comfortable and able to express themselves and enjoy GREAT music that they cant hear anywhere else. Only on a few occasions are parties thrown by people as genuine as this and it always shines through. I knew that was what was behind B&S, I knew it was behind your parties, I have felt it in other smaller parties but NOT many.

To rail on it over its name is very saddening to me, only because I know that the name was chosen completely separately from thoughts about the band. That was like a secondary "in-reference" to those who know and that is all. As mentioned above, many of the great parties used such names and I dont see anyone railing on them.

Anyway, I know where you came from came only out of love for your friends and their identity but please dont assume the worst in a world that always does.


To all the haters and bandwagon jumpers,

- again lets see what you are doing for our music, what are you doing to keep things fresh? Nothing, thats what. Have fun with that because I KNOW we will be having fun with Loose Joints.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
mr. mancuso

just to lay this to rest , at least for now (donger is not around to respond to all this)

i have the upmost respect for you and LOOSE JOINTS artist. we had no intention of exploiting the name or "piggybacking of their fame" the name was used cause it described the intentions of our party.. to make people get loose to all joints (meaning hiphop, reggae, dance, electro etc) we use this name in the upmost respect and respect the music as i said before we tell everyone who LOOSE JOINTS were and how that era influenced us. thank you peesh! "utmost".
somehow i feel guilty now for using the name Love Committee for my "featuring bedroom jocks" party a few years ago. And that party had a lotta hype for about a week. and i made no money.. needless to say, that sucked.

but, I think Doug cleared the air on this one.

Loose | Joints (a not-so-rigid/variety | music). That's how i interpreted it at first and it was confirmed by the promoters of this party. The set that Doug played last night had more quality (soul, R&B, Reggae) danceable music than anything i've heard in a long time... in a club setting that is. my girlfriend who knows nothing about dance music, got up, bopped around, grind my loin, as if no one's watching. and it's this type of parties that will attract those who are not with this dance music scene. so yes, the peeps were loose for a hot minute during his set and the objective was accomplished. to that, i say yay!

I just think that the assumptions of piggy-backing a namesake were made a little too soon. the name change is unnecessary only because the ill intention is not there. They were genuine in doing this thing for fun and I can almost bet my house on it that they will not get rich off this shit. gain notoriety, maybe.. I know this because i know these two well enough. beyond the jokes and clowning, these guys have enough love and respect for this scene or thing we call houzzze to have any serious intentions to capitalise on it.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
Yes and the drugs and the sex you are promoting too! why are you my friend again??? </font>[/QUOTE]lennox, i heard you sucked at lounge Luxus. i hear dyou drove the crowd of 30 away with cher chez le femme. youa re not a real Party DJ, are you? Gomez would have gotten them loose on the dancefloor with 5' ceiling.

you suck!

[simon b]

Originally posted by Nicholas:

To all the haters and bandwagon jumpers,

- again lets see what you are doing for our music, what are you doing to keep things fresh? Nothing, thats what. Have fun with that because I KNOW we will be having fun with Loose Joints. Nice attitude.

Get well soon.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by mhd:
what da hell is that thing in her hand? a long burning incense. she's praying to the happy fat buddha.

[domodisco]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'? </font>[/QUOTE]One should give credit where it is DUE.

d </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. Following your logic to its conclusion should all art/media/cultural products credit their influences? Or does this just apply to situations where you have a personal involvement or a connection? Should Brian de Palma add a line to the credits of his movies saying 'special thanks to Alfred Hitchcock'? I'm not trying to be confrontational, but when you start throwing around the 'I was there, were you' meme and using words like shame and accusing people who I'm sure have the best of intentions of 'poisoning the well' and 'cannibalizing the scene' you are opening yourself up to this kind of scrutiny. I don't know you at all, but I have the utmost respect for you and what you and your indomitable spirit have contributed to the world, and I think you may have stretched this a bit far...peace, domo

[ December 04, 2003, 04:35 PM: Message edited by: domodisco ]

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
Posting late because ive been sick and not online.

To david,

Richie and Doug are two of the realest people in NYC when it comes down to motivation. All they care about is having the right vibe, people being comfortable and able to express themselves and enjoy GREAT music that they cant hear anywhere else. Only on a few occasions are parties thrown by people as genuine as this and it always shines through. I knew that was what was behind B&S, I knew it was behind your parties, I have felt it in other smaller parties but NOT many.

To rail on it over its name is very saddening to me, only because I know that the name was chosen completely separately from thoughts about the band. That was like a secondary "in-reference" to those who know and that is all. As mentioned above, many of the great parties used such names and I dont see anyone railing on them.

Anyway, I know where you came from came only out of love for your friends and their identity but please dont assume the worst in a world that always does.


To all the haters and bandwagon jumpers,

- again lets see what you are doing for our music, what are you doing to keep things fresh? Nothing, thats what. Have fun with that because I KNOW we will be having fun with Loose Joints. graemlins/OLA.gif now you can have my speakers.

[statuskuo]

pls note the photographer's name on the flyer. i give credit.

bring back soul chicken already!

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

DISCLAIMER: Bande A Part is a combination of both Richie C and Peter (a.k.a. Recondo). The name Bande A Part is an homage to Quentin Tarrantino's Band Apart which is an homage to Jean Luc Godard's Bande A Part. Ha, Ha, Ha...

Message from Richie C to David Mancuso:

If you took the time out to read the interview which I linked from my promotional posts you would have then come across where I explain the root of the name of our party. You should be happy that a younger generation is willing to pick up and run with the " torch" while still recognizing those who lit it. Big shout outs to Bang the Party and Body and Soul for doing the same. Thanks to the many people who came out last night despite the cold weather and gave Ron Herrara, Doug Gomez and myself an audience to hear our message. Thanks for all the support and we'll see you next week when we start at our new jump-off time 8 PM to 2 AM. For this special night we will reunite members of different camps by featuring Timmy Richardson of DHP, El Mayimbe of **** and Kai Kuo of Status Kuo, all under one roof!

One Nation Under A Groove

PEACE!

- Richie C

[Drrtynewyork]

thanks kuo & nicolas for the kind words!

feel better nicolas!

[TAD]

well i'll tell ya one thing. when i first saw the name, what popped into my mind was geez can't these guys come up with something more original? maybe it's my age, i don't know but that was my first reaction.

now whether it's disrespectful, that's another issue but i think it hit really close to home for david.

now as to whether they payed homage? well in a roundabout vague way. maybe donger should have been more detailed in his response on the bounce fm interview & as david pointed out, maybe a dedication in small print on the flyer, something like "inspired by arthur russell & steve d'aquisto".

"WHAT PROJECT ARE YOU WORKING ON THAT PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?
“Loose Joints”, the weekly Wednesday night party Doug Gomez and I are starting at Guernica on December 3rd. Yes, there is a dancefloor and a soundsystem. The title of the party is obviously an homage to the creative people in NYC of yesteryear. We are linking the ideology of the past, to a whole new era that I predict is going to usher in. Loose Joints is also a way of expressing our loose musical format, anything goes for our DJs and the sounds that will be played during the night. It’s a place for the unheard to be heard. There is so much going on musically that gets ignored in this city. The people that are on top are way too comfortable and don’t take any risks. We want to bring different sounds, crowds and cliques together, like Bam did at the Roxy in the 80s, regardless of race, color or orientation. Loose Joints also means you are going to loosen up your joints and dance!"

what about wobbly communal?

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by Cosmic T:
what about wobbly communal? what about my records?? let's start with Imagination's "Illusion"

thanks in advance.

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'? </font>[/QUOTE]he's got a point me thinks

[TAD]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Cosmic T:
what about wobbly communal? what about my records?? let's start with Imagination's "Illusion"

thanks in advance. </font>[/QUOTE]what about "dream on" aerosmith?

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'? </font>[/QUOTE]One should give credit where it is DUE.

d </font>[/QUOTE]and with that logic then then Loose Joints themselves should have included a special thanks to the geezer selling loosies in the park for the inspiration. You can go on and on and on like this.

[Drrtynewyork]

mr. mancuso

is this a pic from your party?

http://www.theloftnyc.com/Images/invitep1.jpg

lets keep it real.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
Posting late because ive been sick and not online.

To david,

Richie and Doug are two of the realest people in NYC when it comes down to motivation. All they care about is having the right vibe, people being comfortable and able to express themselves and enjoy GREAT music that they cant hear anywhere else. Only on a few occasions are parties thrown by people as genuine as this and it always shines through. I knew that was what was behind B&S, I knew it was behind your parties, I have felt it in other smaller parties but NOT many.

To rail on it over its name is very saddening to me, only because I know that the name was chosen completely separately from thoughts about the band. That was like a secondary "in-reference" to those who know and that is all. As mentioned above, many of the great parties used such names and I dont see anyone railing on them.

Anyway, I know where you came from came only out of love for your friends and their identity but please dont assume the worst in a world that always does.


To all the haters and bandwagon jumpers,

- again lets see what you are doing for our music, what are you doing to keep things fresh? Nothing, thats what. Have fun with that because I KNOW we will be having fun with Loose Joints. Greetings Nicholas:

Thank you for your positive approach. I hope that when I wake up tommorrow I might feel different re the using of the name LJ's ...but I will and many others will still associate with it as the band, ...where it comes from, and "what role" it has played in our music community.

Recently I came across the loft name being used for a name of a party on a dance music web site. This was in the UK where I also do a Loft party 4 times a year. I wrote to them and asked respectfully to indicate that "this is not associated with the Loft/David Mancuso." They respected my wishes and they were kind enough make the adjustment.

We gave each other space and respect. It was that simple.

smile.gif

d

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
mr. mancuso

is this a pic from your party?

http://www.theloftnyc.com/Images/invitep1.jpg

lets keep it real. The picture is (legally) "Public Domain." If it wasn't I wouldn't use it.

You are using the name Loose Joints knowingly that it will be associated with the band and is of the same music community that you are in. You could have done better than that.

nuff said.

d

[martino]

Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title).

[mhd]

the real question is why would someone go to this party when you guys have done such a good job of alienating people on purpose?

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'? </font>[/QUOTE]One should give credit where it is DUE.

d </font>[/QUOTE]and with that logic then then Loose Joints themselves should have included a special thanks to the geezer selling loosies in the park for the inspiration. You can go on and on and on like this. </font>[/QUOTE]They did but not on the LP. Most of it was done thru IV's and etc.

d

d

[TAD]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
mr. mancuso

is this a pic from your party?

http://www.theloftnyc.com/Images/invitep1.jpg

lets keep it real. uhh i think the point david is trying to make is the co-relation between the two loose joints. they are both part of the same underground.

[Drrtynewyork]

so does that mean you cant give credit where credit is due? where is the fine print describing who and where the pic is from?

NUFF SAID

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). Exactly!

There is hope after all.

d

[ December 04, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). Exactly!

There is hope after all.

d </font>[/QUOTE]BANG THE PARTY WAS THE GROUP "bang bang youre mine " was the name of the song

NUFF SAID

[TAD]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). Exactly!

There is hope after all.

d </font>[/QUOTE]BANG THE PARTY WAS THE GROUP "bang bang youre mine " was the name of the song

NUFF SAID </font>[/QUOTE]so shut up already. that's like 10 nuff saids

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). Bang the party is a musical group./

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). Exactly!

There is hope after all.

d </font>[/QUOTE]BANG THE PARTY WAS THE GROUP "bang bang youre mine " was the name of the song

NUFF SAID </font>[/QUOTE]so shut up already. that's like 10 nuff saids </font>[/QUOTE]step off , dont read this thread then

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
so does that mean you cant give credit where credit is due? where is the fine print describing who and where the pic is from?

NUFF SAID The picture is of Spanky and the Gang and is in association with Spanky and Gang movies orginating in the early 40's. This picture is Public Domain and can be used/sold legally by anyone.

Also the assocaited Loft information does not include publicly where the address of the party is.

Therefore it is used in respect to a private party.

How am I doing Doug?

d

[ December 04, 2003, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[JMNYC]

A very interesting thread, especially to me inasmuchas our party "Chateau Noir", which has avoided mention thusfar, also qualifies equally for this line of criticism.

Although I came up with the name based on its french meaning ("Black House"), I was reminded later of the Wild Pitch record of the same name (Evelyn Jean).

Ironically, I see now that there's a new party in Jersey called "Black House", too.

Is there such a thing as original thought? Has there ever been? Didn't the idea of the original group name "Loose Joints" come from a street vendor's solicitations?

In the end, I believe whole-heartedly that the VIBE, the SOUL and the INTENT are the key elements to consider here, and given the history of those involved, I would definitely give them the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck with your party, guys...

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
A very interesting thread, especially to me inasmuchas our party "Chateau Noir", which has avoided mention thusfar, also qualifies equally for this line of criticism.

Although I came up with the name based on its french meaning ("Black House"), I was reminded later of the Wild Pitch record of the same name (Evelyn Jean).

Ironically, I see now that there's a new party in Jersey called "Black House", too.

Is there such a thing as original thought? Has there ever been? Didn't the idea of the original group name "Loose Joints" come from a street vendor's solicitations?

In the end, I believe whole-heartedly that the VIBE, the SOUL and the INTENT are the key elements to consider here, and given the history of those involved, I would definitely give them the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck with your party, guys... Haha @ Street Vendor

[Drrtynewyork]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
so does that mean you cant give credit where credit is due? where is the fine print describing who and where the pic is from?

NUFF SAID The picture is of Spanky and the Gang and is association with Spanky and Gang movies orginating in the early 40's. This picture is Public Domain and can be used/sold legally by anyone.

Also the assocaited Loft information does not include publicly where the address of the party is.

Therefore it is used in respect to a private party.

How am I doing Doug?

d </font>[/QUOTE]its well known that buckwheat is a product of racism in america

[martino]

like i said: not picking sides, and there's a difference between the two.
All back-pedaling a side ;) , naming a party "The Who" or "Britney Spears" might get you some phone calls from some peeved lawyers.

[mdpm99]

I tried today to make a point...sometimes too sharp for my own good. But the bottom line here is that I will learn many things from this, some good and some bad ...all of which will have much meaning. I must always be careful and considerate of others and how my actions will affect them. I hope you will do the same.

peace,

smile.gif

d

[ December 04, 2003, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). I do see a difference here - thanks for that explanation/clarification. Now I don't feel as guilty. ;)

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
A very interesting thread, especially to me inasmuchas our party "Chateau Noir", which has avoided mention thusfar, also qualifies equally for this line of criticism.

Although I came up with the name based on its french meaning ("Black House"), I was reminded later of the Wild Pitch record of the same name (Evelyn Jean).

Ironically, I see now that there's a new party in Jersey called "Black House", too.

Is there such a thing as original thought? Has there ever been? Didn't the idea of the original group name "Loose Joints" come from a street vendor's solicitations?

In the end, I believe whole-heartedly that the VIBE, the SOUL and the INTENT are the key elements to consider here, and given the history of those involved, I would definitely give them the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck with your party, guys... Chateau Noir= Black Castle

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by martino:
Not picking sides or anything, but as far as the "Bang the Party" and "B & S" arguement is concerned: I believe there is a huge difference between naming a party after song and naming it after an artist.

(P.S. there are many different compositions that share the same title). I do see a difference here - thanks for that explanation/clarification. Now I don't feel as guilty. ;) </font>[/QUOTE]...welcome back. I hope your journey was everything you wanted it to be smile.gif

d

[ December 04, 2003, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by Cosmic T:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />so shut up already. that's like 10 nuff saids [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]pahahaha you crack me up

[DJ CHRIS PURTELL]

Well guys it looks like you should have thanked Mr Mancuso for the great publicity he generated for your party ..... I definitly know there is a Loose Joints party at Guarnica ever Wednesday GOOD LUCK GUYS!!!

say the name of my party is MIGHTY 3K3 anybody want to talk some shit on that ?

[eleeut]

Originally posted by martino:
like i said: not picking sides, and there's a difference between the two.
All back-pedaling a side ;) , naming a party "The Who" or "Britney Spears" might get you some phone calls from some peeved lawyers. was the name "loose joints" trademarked? i recall that John Davis had BnS trademarked and thereby possessed legal recourse when the use issue comes up. when i was a dork on U***, and came across a party called BnS down in Charlottesville, VA that was going to be a "circuit-esque" party, i actually informed John Davis about it and believe that the event's name had to be changed. anyway, if LJ is currently trademarked, i think there would not be any distinction whether the [product....ie, party, group, song.....] using the name was doing so in a similar/dissimilar form. in that case, all that would matter is if the name was used. [however, i could be wrong on this, i forgot my all my trademark stuff]

there are laws, of course, but there is also the sense of history and who writes and creates history. David and his cohort went through all kind of stuff and as a whole, there's definitely a legacy. from what i understand, Loose Joints is a very legit part of that whole. Russell and D'Acquisto are gone now, right? As a still-active member of that cohort, of course David would stand up for them and their contributions, even if by their namesake. we forget about these things - i'm still confused on the history of the wild pitch parties, the wild pitch label, and the coined term "wild pitch." i'd have to go out of my way to find out about that information. most people won't and that's how things are forgotten and names like Loose Joints are no longer associated with such a seminal musical group.

if the title is to remain, (hey, it's a cool name and again, 95% of the neophytes out there would have no idea of LJ, the group), then maybe a credit line somewhere on the flyer would make this alright. i've never met Richie, and I've met Doug only once, but they seem to be good guys with the right ideals in mind to hopefully breathe life into this aging, and arguably dying, scene. before shutting these guys out, why not go check out what they're doing. a "young" and "old" collaboration may actually do some good.

peace

[ December 04, 2003, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: eleeut ]

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
...welcome back. I hope your journey was everything you wanted it to be smile.gif

d [/QB]it was more than I could ever have expected... thanks smile.gif

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
Chateau Noir=Black Castle new party = "Maison Noir" smile.gif Better? I love semanticists. :D

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
Chateau Noir=Black Castle new party = "Maison Noir" smile.gif Better? I love semanticists. :D </font>[/QUOTE]Maison Noire


hee hhe

[JMNYC]

icon_rofl.gif graemlins/cussing.gif icon_rofl.gif

damned French Canandians act like they own French or something. Merde!

[ December 04, 2003, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

[Bougie Soliterre]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
icon_rofl.gif graemlins/cussing.gif icon_rofl.gif

damned French Canandians act like they own French or something. Merde! actually we speak a different kind of french, a kind of mixed patois of ancient French, English and local slang

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by domodisco:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
David—

Out of curiosity. . .are the parties "Body and Soul," Loose Joints," etc. just as guilty of this transgression?

Also, since it is unlikely that they will change their name now that they have invested in it. . .what do you think that the "Loose Joints" promoters should/could do to lessen the offense? Good manners never killed anyone. When we each start to act on "our own island" and forget that we really do all "play in the same band" then we will divide and fall apart. There is the correct way to do things and then there is the incorrect way.

Common sense always helps.

d </font>[/QUOTE]So would you say the same thing to the promoters of Bang the Party? Should they add a line to their flyers saying 'special thanks to Kid Batchelor and Keith Franklin'? </font>[/QUOTE]One should give credit where it is DUE.

d </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. Following your logic to its conclusion should all art/media/cultural products credit their influences? Or does this just apply to situations where you have a personal involvement or a connection? Should Brian de Palma add a line to the credits of his movies saying 'special thanks to Alfred Hitchcock'? I'm not trying to be confrontational, but when you start throwing around the 'I was there, were you' meme and using words like shame and accusing people who I'm sure have the best of intentions of 'poisoning the well' and 'cannibalizing the scene' you are opening yourself up to this kind of scrutiny. I don't know you at all, but I have the utmost respect for you and what you and your indomitable spirit have contributed to the world, and I think you may have stretched this a bit far...peace, domo </font>[/QUOTE]Missed your post earlier and just found it. I think your question(s) were covered re the use of the name Loose Joints as it the band's name and is part of the same music community.





d

[ December 04, 2003, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Bande-A-Part_NYC]

Originally posted by DJ CHRIS PURTELL:

..... I definitly know there is a Loose Joints party at Guarnica ever Wednesday GOOD LUCK GUYS!!!

...and don't forget, LOOSE JOINTS (the party) will now be starting at 8 PM this and every coming Wednesday at Guernica!

THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT!

[Nicholas]

Jon Martin is another excellent example of someone who throws a party with the intent that the people coming enjoy themselves fully first and foremost. A slicker host you will not find in NYC.

Respect.

Damn, I cant wait to loosen my joints with the other neophytes next week. Our milkshake is better than yours.

[statuskuo]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
A very interesting thread, especially to me inasmuchas our party "Chateau Noir", which has avoided mention thusfar, also qualifies equally for this line of criticism.

Although I came up with the name based on its french meaning ("Black House"), I was reminded later of the Wild Pitch record of the same name (Evelyn Jean).

Ironically, I see now that there's a new party in Jersey called "Black House", too.

Is there such a thing as original thought? Has there ever been? Didn't the idea of the original group name "Loose Joints" come from a street vendor's solicitations?

In the end, I believe whole-heartedly that the VIBE, the SOUL and the INTENT are the key elements to consider here, and given the history of those involved, I would definitely give them the benefit of the doubt.

Good luck with your party, guys... well said. my next one is Depeche mode. blonde tipped flat tops will en vogue again.

[ December 04, 2003, 10:59 PM: Message edited by: statuskuo ]

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by Nicholas:
Jon Martin is another excellent example of someone who throws a party with the intent that the people coming enjoy themselves fully first and foremost. A slicker host you will not find in NYC.

Respect.

Damn, I cant wait to loosen my joints with the other neophytes next week. Our milkshake is better than yours. Thanks for the props! smile.gif

It's apparent that you haven't tried our milkshake in a while though - all new ingredients graemlins/eusa_dance.gif

[ December 04, 2003, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by statuskuo:
my next one ... en vogue. that'd be kool too.

[mdpm99]

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[ December 05, 2003, 05:04 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[mdpm99]

WHO WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOUR BIGGEST INFLUENCES?

First my mom and family, girlfriend and close friends. Ron Herrera, Brennan Green, Miles Davis, old mixes and re-edits I hear from Tee Scott and Walter Gibbons, Arthur Russell, Patrick Adams and Peter Brown for P&P records, I could go on forever…

--Mr. Richie C

[matthew]

I always thought Body and Soul was named after the Mai Tai record

[gets coat]

[Moksha]

Richie & Doug,

Why don't you guys just put a little "name inspired by. . ." line on the flyer? That way, everyone would be happy.

smile.gif

[imported_Gman]

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Richie & Doug,

Why don't you guys just put a little "name inspired by. . ." line on the flyer? That way, everyone would be happy.

smile.gif I believe they did agree already to do this.

-G

[Moksha]

Originally posted by Gman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
Richie & Doug,

Why don't you guys just put a little "name inspired by. . ." line on the flyer? That way, everyone would be happy.

smile.gif I believe they did agree already to do this.

-G </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/OLA.gif