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DaveR

11-19-2003, 01:15 PM

Update: (AP) -- Michael Jackson faces multiple allegations of child molestation and is being asked to surrender, with bail set at $3 million, sheriff says.

LOS OLIVOS, Calif. (Nov. 19) - Authorities said Wednesday an arrest warrant had been issued for Michael Jackson in a child molestation case.

''There is an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson,'' said senior Deputy Tim Gracey of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department. Gracey said Jackson was in Las Vegas and authorities were negotiating with Jackson's lawyer for his surrender.

Gracey said the warrant was for a felony violation of Section 288 of the California Penal Code - which prohibits lewd or lascivious acts with a child under age 14. He said further details would be released later Wednesday at a news conference in Santa Barbara.

Djay Raare

11-19-2003, 01:27 PM

kev

11-19-2003, 01:31 PM

I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly.

DaveR

11-19-2003, 01:31 PM

Yeah, I hope whatever he's accused of is unfounded.

ngeso

11-19-2003, 02:51 PM

one way or the other MJ is finished. child molestation is a stigma you don't get rid of, regardless of the amount of truth behind an allegation.

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. hail.gif So true.

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 02:55 PM

personally, I'm looking forward to the mugshot. he looks weirder and weirder with every photo.

ngeso

11-19-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. actually, this is truly amazing. and i don't understand it at all. i myself haven't looked at an R. Kelly record in over a year. i guess there are still many customers out there that are willing to support a 'dirty' image cast by an artist like Kelly. MJ, however, is - was - more family entertainment. good, clean and wholesome, and good enough for Brooke Shields (Eddie said so). and i think he is going to lose the family endorsement over this issue.

peace. ngeso.

P-Flipp

11-19-2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. R Kelly is still capable of making irresistible music that's the difference.

ngeso

11-19-2003, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by P-Flipp:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. R Kelly is still capable of making irresistible music that's the difference. [/QUOTE]i'd think his irresistability matches the growing lack of responsibility and shift in values amongst his listenership.

[all i can say is i'm a DJ, and on saturday night i refuse to play music done by someone, who has so far not succeeded in dispelling allegations of abuse of minors convincingly. and i don't give a toss about whether that makes me look soft in the eyes of my audience.]

peace. ngeso.

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 03:07 PM

Poor Mike...
:rolleyes:
Sigh... you think he would've learned something the last time investigators wanted to have a little looky-looky at his dingy dingy...
The man has lost his eva lovin, eva lastin mind...

he needs therapy...

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. hm...dunno IIBS. R Kelly is at the top of his game musically. Biz for MJ, while a legend, has been slow. also:

14-year-old Black girl fvcked by Grown man

vs

12-year-old ????? boy "molested" by grown man

these two are not gonna fly the same way in the media or the public eye, especially if the boy is white. if i ruled the world they'd both be under house arrest and they could play with each other's wee wees. however, i cannot seem to win an election these days, so we shall see.

D J 1 3 8

11-19-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by ngeso:
i think he is going to lose the family endorsement over this issue.
One would hope that you'd lose the family endorsement over molesting pre-pubescent boys.

Nevertheless, I will admit my own bias in these matters, as I feel there is a difference between the consensual (though illegal) sex that R kelly had, and MJ building an amusement park to attract young boys and coerce them in to letting him molest them. This is what has been alleged in the past, at least.

I know there are valid arguments that will poke giant holes in this idea, but it's just my gut reaction.

ramar

11-19-2003, 03:13 PM

hmm... providing something to fill up the front pages while the Bush creeps warily around London?

ramar

11-19-2003, 03:14 PM

ie. in time for the DEMONSTRATION tomorrow...

DaveR

11-19-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by ngeso:
[all i can say is i'm a DJ, and on saturday night i refuse to play music done by someone, who has so far not succeeded in dispelling allegations of abuse of minors convincingly. and i don't give a toss about whether that makes me look soft in the eyes of my audience.] Does this comment include his Classic stuff too ? ... I mean his tracks back in the blowout-pick days b/4 the F-14 streamline nose days?

DR

P-Flipp

11-19-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by ngeso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by P-Flipp:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. R Kelly is still capable of making irresistible music that's the difference. [/QUOTE]i'd think his irresistability matches the growing lack of responsibility and shift in values amongst his listenership.

[all i can say is i'm a DJ, and on saturday night i refuse to play music done by someone, who has so far not succeeded in dispelling allegations of abuse of minors convincingly. and i don't give a toss about whether that makes me look soft in the eyes of my audience.]

peace. ngeso. [/QUOTE]I am totally feeling you on this.Kelly's resurgence is troubling and baffling and says something about our culture.Never bought not one piece of music from this guy and never will.The quandry for me is to whether to play jacksons music.He is one of my biggest musical heroes.I am so saddened. :(

[ November 19, 2003, 03:19 PM: Message edited by: P-Flipp ]

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by ramar:
hmm... providing something to fill up the front pages while the Bush creeps warily around London? hail.gif

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
b/4 the F-14 streamline nose days?

DR icon_rofl.gif

Huey P. Freeman

11-19-2003, 03:24 PM

TAD

11-19-2003, 03:26 PM

3 black men being demonized by the media for "sexual" misconduct.

some things never change.

more diversion for the sheep.

DJ76

11-19-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by ngeso:
one way or the other MJ is finished. child molestation is a stigma you don't get rid of, regardless of the amount of truth behind an allegation. Now see, the problem is there, how many (if any) of the allegations are true? And if they are not, how unfair to have this stigma stuck to him for the rest of his days?

I haven't followed any of the other cases against him, what came out of all those cases? Any "truth"? I don't remember the stories anymore.

But imagine being accused of something you have not done, being found not guilty... but yet everyone looks at you like the guy who "got away with it". It is very painful.

ngeso

11-19-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. hm...dunno IIBS. R Kelly is at the top of his game musically. Biz for MJ, while a legend, has been slow. also:

14-year-old Black girl fvcked by Grown man

vs

12-year-old ????? boy "molested" by grown man

these two are not gonna fly the same way in the media or the public eye, especially if the boy is white. if i ruled the world they'd both be under house arrest and they could play with each other's wee wees. however, i cannot seem to win an election these days, so we shall see. [/QUOTE]race will be an issue. as little as a white world cares about what Kelly does 'in the jungle', white suburban family-minded taxpayers and parents are going to crucify MJs a**, if there's so much as a grain of truth to what is being purported. if i were a suburan parent, i'd probably say R. Kelly is ghetto, the girl is ghetto, and ghetto equals the dark side of Mars. on the other hand MJ is the King of Pop, he's become suburban in shade, i allmost gave Brooke away at the altar, and there's no place for him in my kid's room.

at no point in his career - bar the "I-believ-i-can-fly & i'm-down-with-His-Airness-period - was R.Kelly the subject of the kind of expectations that were heaped onto Michael by a large, global, white public, that clamored for the benefits of cultural appeasement and integration. R. Kelly was never the poster boy that Mike was expected to be.

peace. ngeso.

gabriel

11-19-2003, 03:29 PM

i am constantly amazed at how much people in this country allow themselves to be distracted by, and care about, the personal private lives of everyone else.

exhibit a: micheal jackson

exhibit b: mariah carey shoe thread

exhibit c: brittney spears esquire cover, interview, image change, etc.

baffeling.

Sharp Eye Washington

11-19-2003, 03:30 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cosmic_Twin:
3 black men being demonized by the media for "sexual" misconduct.

some things never change.

more diversion for the sheep. [/QUOTE

Amen.

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. hm...dunno IIBS. R Kelly is at the top of his game musically. Biz for MJ, while a legend, has been slow. also:

14-year-old Black girl fvcked by Grown man

vs

12-year-old ????? boy "molested" by grown man

these two are not gonna fly the same way in the media or the public eye, especially if the boy is white. if i ruled the world they'd both be under house arrest and they could play with each other's wee wees. however, i cannot seem to win an election these days, so we shall see. [/QUOTE]In my eyes there is no difference. Both are wrong. [/QUOTE]no diff to me either...but that's besides the point because society has SHOWN that it feels them to be two totally different cases.

not that this is macroscopic proof of any sort, but i know R Kelly die-hard supportive fans who will deride Catholic priests without mercy, why? because the molestation is homosexual in nature, and therefore more 'criminal' in the US of A...
a homophobic nation where little 14yearold black girls are dispensible. that's the problemo.

ngeso

11-19-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ngeso:
[all i can say is i'm a DJ, and on saturday night i refuse to play music done by someone, who has so far not succeeded in dispelling allegations of abuse of minors convincingly. and i don't give a toss about whether that makes me look soft in the eyes of my audience.] Does this comment include his Classic stuff too ? ... I mean his tracks back in the blowout-pick days b/4 the F-14 streamline nose days?

DR [/QUOTE]Dave, his stuff is blacklisted. all of it.

ngeso

11-19-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by P-Flipp:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ngeso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by P-Flipp:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. R Kelly is still capable of making irresistible music that's the difference. [/QUOTE]i'd think his irresistability matches the growing lack of responsibility and shift in values amongst his listenership.

[all i can say is i'm a DJ, and on saturday night i refuse to play music done by someone, who has so far not succeeded in dispelling allegations of abuse of minors convincingly. and i don't give a toss about whether that makes me look soft in the eyes of my audience.]

peace. ngeso. [/QUOTE]I am totally feeling you on this.Kelly's resurgence is troubling and baffling and says something about our culture.Never bought not one piece of music from this guy and never will.The quandry for me is to whether to play jacksons music.He is one of my biggest musical heroes.I am so saddened. :( [/QUOTE]and i'm afraid that i have just made up my mind to take MJs stuff out of rotation until further notice. i hope, that i'll be able to play his music once again and very soon.

DaveR

11-19-2003, 03:34 PM

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i am constantly amazed at how much people in this country allow themselves to be distracted by, and care about, the personal private lives of everyone else.

exhibit a: micheal jackson

exhibit b: mariah carey shoe thread

exhibit c: brittney spears esquire cover, interview, image change, etc.

baffeling. ha! cuz it's fluff...it's easy yammer. many will take their eyes off the prize to worry themselves sick about celebrity misdeeds. many others will not. many get their real news regardless of how many kids MJ decided to fondle today.

peace

dj c-los

11-19-2003, 03:35 PM

Man, when i saw that special on him on FOX where that kid was holding on to Mike's hand during the interview...i was like "Oh my! Someone needs to talk to his PR person and choke the guy!"

When Mike said "I wanna be Peter PAn!"
I was like: graemlins/stupid.gif

DaveR

11-19-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by clos7:

When Mike said "I wanna be Peter PAn!"
I was like: graemlins/stupid.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
graemlins/rofl5.gif

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 03:39 PM

I dunno... I guess sometime in the late 1800's early 1900's it was acceptable for a girl of 10, 12 to get married and start having babies...

It later became frowned upon and became one of those moral laws...

I had real problems with what R. Kelly was accused of, in the beginning...
When I read more on it... (Marvin Gaye, that Great Balls of Fire dude...) Moral History... etc... I kinda put things in perspective and laid off my dislike for R. Kelly.

I saw the tape... the most disgusting thing was the urination... she was definately experienced, and no, that doesn't make it 'right' but...

I lost my virginity at 14...(yes... I was a little fast girl... since reformed biggrinangel.gif ) I felt taken advantaged of, but not molested... if I had to do it all over again, I would not have... but I willingly had sex...

What Michael is accused of is molestation... not criminal sexual conduct with a minor... I can't, for the life of me, see these two situations as being the same... graemlins/conf44.gif

ngeso

11-19-2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i am constantly amazed at how much people in this country allow themselves to be distracted by, and care about, the personal private lives of everyone else.

exhibit a: micheal jackson

exhibit b: mariah carey shoe thread

exhibit c: brittney spears esquire cover, interview, image change, etc.

baffeling. speaking for myself, i see a significant difference between someone with 300 pairs of shoes or adjusted boobies......

......and someone who possibly rogered a 14-year-old.

if you say that there's contradiction in there, then i don't feel it. and: being black ain't a bonus in my books.

again, i sincerely hope (out of sheer personal want), that it is all a big drummed up lie. but MJ has to act, NOW.

peace. ngeso.

mhd

11-19-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
I dunno... I guess sometime in the late 1800's early 1900's it was acceptable for a girl of 10, 12 to get married and start having babies...

It later became frowned upon and became one of those moral laws...

I had real problems with what R. Kelly was accused of, in the beginning...
When I read more on it... (Marvin Gaye, that Great Balls of Fire dude...) Moral History... etc... I kinda put things in perspective and laid off my dislike for R. Kelly.

I saw the tape... the most disgusting thing was the urination... she was definately experienced, and no, that doesn't make it 'right' but...

I lost my virginity at 14...(yes... I was a little fast girl... since reformed biggrinangel.gif ) I felt taken advantaged of, but not molested... if I had to do it all over again, I would not have... but I willingly had sex...

What Michael is accused of is molestation... not criminal sexual conduct with a minor... I can't, for the life of me, see these two situations as being the same... graemlins/conf44.gif in some places, it is still okay for marriage to begin at a younger age, our age minimums are arbitary at best and reflect our history of viewing women as property more than anything else

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Eargasm:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
I doubt it'll be over for him. Look at R. Kelly. hm...dunno IIBS. R Kelly is at the top of his game musically. Biz for MJ, while a legend, has been slow. also:

14-year-old Black girl fvcked by Grown man

vs

12-year-old ????? boy "molested" by grown man

these two are not gonna fly the same way in the media or the public eye, especially if the boy is white. if i ruled the world they'd both be under house arrest and they could play with each other's wee wees. however, i cannot seem to win an election these days, so we shall see. [/QUOTE]In my eyes there is no difference. Both are wrong. [/QUOTE]no diff to me either...but that's besides the point because society has SHOWN that it feels them to be two totally different cases.

not that this is macroscopic proof of any sort, but i know R Kelly die-hard supportive fans who will deride Catholic priests without mercy, why? because the molestation is homosexual in nature, and therefore more 'criminal' in the US of A...
a homophobic nation where little 14yearold black girls are dispensible. that's the problemo. [/QUOTE]It's less about homosexuality for me... it has more to do with consent...
I could be wrong... I'm just speculating and giving my opinion... that's all...

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 03:55 PM

[/qb][/QUOTE]in some places, it is still okay for marriage to begin at a younger age, our age minimums are arbitary at best and reflect our history of viewing women as property more than anything else [/QB][/QUOTE]

I agree...
Why increase the age of consent though?
I don't understand how it can be okay for my great, great, great, great grandparents generation then all of a sudden, the moral climate changes and adjusts... what's really going on?

gabriel

11-19-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by ngeso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i am constantly amazed at how much people in this country allow themselves to be distracted by, and care about, the personal private lives of everyone else.

exhibit a: micheal jackson

exhibit b: mariah carey shoe thread

exhibit c: brittney spears esquire cover, interview, image change, etc.

baffeling. speaking for myself, i see a significant difference between someone with 300 pairs of shoes or adjusted boobies......

......and someone who possibly rogered a 14-year-old.

if you say that there's contradiction in there, then i don't feel it. and: being black ain't a bonus in my books.

again, i sincerely hope (out of sheer personal want), that it is all a big drummed up lie. but MJ has to act, NOW.

peace. ngeso. [/QUOTE]you missed the point.

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
in some places, it is still okay for marriage to begin at a younger age, our age minimums are arbitary at best and reflect our history of viewing women as property more than anything else [/QB][/QUOTE]

I agree...
Why increase the age of consent though?
I don't understand how it can be okay for my great, great, great, great grandparents generation then all of a sudden, the moral climate changes and adjusts... what's really going on? [/QB][/QUOTE]

maybe it wasn't okay for them, my great great great great great whatever was in a tribal structure and married at 12 and had kids throughout her brief lifetime, and walked around in the sun topless and danced and sang all of their rituals and maybe encountered a culture that was afraid of all that power

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
in some places, it is still okay for marriage to begin at a younger age, our age minimums are arbitary at best and reflect our history of viewing women as property more than anything else [/QUOTE]I agree...
Why increase the age of consent though?
I don't understand how it can be okay for my great, great, great, great grandparents generation then all of a sudden, the moral climate changes and adjusts... what's really going on? [/QB][/QUOTE]

maybe it wasn't okay for them, my great great great great great whatever was in a tribal structure and married at 12 and had kids throughout her brief lifetime, and walked around in the sun topless and danced and sang all of their rituals and maybe encountered a culture that was afraid of all that power [/QB][/QUOTE]

ahhhh.... deep.... I feel that...

Concerning Mike...then again... you know what I was thinking?
Didn't the Greeks have the man/boy thing going on?

mhd

11-19-2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
in some places, it is still okay for marriage to begin at a younger age, our age minimums are arbitary at best and reflect our history of viewing women as property more than anything else [/QUOTE]I agree...
Why increase the age of consent though?
I don't understand how it can be okay for my great, great, great, great grandparents generation then all of a sudden, the moral climate changes and adjusts... what's really going on? [/QUOTE]maybe it wasn't okay for them, my great great great great great whatever was in a tribal structure and married at 12 and had kids throughout her brief lifetime, and walked around in the sun topless and danced and sang all of their rituals and maybe encountered a culture that was afraid of all that power [/QB][/QUOTE]

ahhhh.... deep.... I feel that...

Concerning Mike...then again... you know what I was thinking?
Didn't the Greeks have the man/boy thing going on? [/QB][/QUOTE]

they all had it going on, but somehow that is more of a taboo

Brut by Faberge

11-19-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
[It's less about homosexuality for me... it has more to do with consent...
I could be wrong... I'm just speculating and giving my opinion... that's all... nah i don't think you are wrong, but to me, consent is a funny thing. and in my view, in this homophobic assed society, sex foreplay or whatever between a man and a boy is never consensual. if that boy (and now i'm speculating but oh well) stands up and says in 11 different languages, "it felt great! mike is the BOMB in bed" it will STILL be viewed as molestation by his peers/family, by the populous, and by the media. JMO...

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 04:34 PM

Well... maybe I could or would have an easier time believing Mike had he not physically destroyed himself... it's an obvious self- hate thing, to me...
I find it difficult to get beyond his looks...
I know that it's wrong to judge, but my goodness... he doesn't even look human any more...
That's sad... but honestly, he seems suspect, based upon that fact alone... plus the other allegations...
sorry, Michael fans...

ngeso

11-19-2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ngeso:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gabrielloveshouse:
i am constantly amazed at how much people in this country allow themselves to be distracted by, and care about, the personal private lives of everyone else.

exhibit a: micheal jackson

exhibit b: mariah carey shoe thread

exhibit c: brittney spears esquire cover, interview, image change, etc.

baffeling. speaking for myself, i see a significant difference between someone with 300 pairs of shoes or adjusted boobies......

......and someone who possibly rogered a 14-year-old.

if you say that there's contradiction in there, then i don't feel it. and: being black ain't a bonus in my books.

again, i sincerely hope (out of sheer personal want), that it is all a big drummed up lie. but MJ has to act, NOW.

peace. ngeso. [/QUOTE]you missed the point. [/QUOTE]no i didn't. you're right when you say that populist media BS distracts people when it focusses on the private lives of people who can afford nice clothes and cars and all the other trappings that come with limelight. i reckon it is wrong though to throw abberant (sp?) sexual behaviour into the same kettle, when it involves persons that legally do not have the same rights or choices as the people who do the abberating. responsible evaluation of popular media entails sorting out the irrelevant from the potentially important IMHO. yeah, Britney and Mariah are media trash, and Bubbles is as well. but child molestation?

[ November 19, 2003, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: ngeso ]

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
[It's less about homosexuality for me... it has more to do with consent...
I could be wrong... I'm just speculating and giving my opinion... that's all... nah i don't think you are wrong, but to me, consent is a funny thing. and in my view, in this homophobic assed society, sex foreplay or whatever between a man and a boy is never consensual. if that boy (and now i'm speculating but oh well) stands up and says in 11 different languages, "it felt great! mike is the BOMB in bed" it will STILL be viewed as molestation by his peers/family, by the populous, and by the media. JMO... [/QUOTE]You're probably right about that...
Homophobia is rampant here...
Less sympathy is given to men accused of molesting boys...
if sexual forplay occurred and it was consentual... do you think that Mike would admit to it? He doesn't admit to ANY sexuality, other than the Lisa Marie and Debbie Row thing...

He has a hard cross to bear...

SuzanneT

11-19-2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
Update: (AP) -- Michael Jackson faces multiple allegations of child molestation and is being asked to surrender, with bail set at $3 million, sheriff says.

LOS OLIVOS, Calif. (Nov. 19) - Authorities said Wednesday an arrest warrant had been issued for Michael Jackson in a child molestation case.

''There is an arrest warrant for Michael Jackson,'' said senior Deputy Tim Gracey of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department. Gracey said Jackson was in Las Vegas and authorities were negotiating with Jackson's lawyer for his surrender.

Gracey said the warrant was for a felony violation of Section 288 of the California Penal Code - which prohibits lewd or lascivious acts with a child under age 14. He said further details would be released later Wednesday at a news conference in Santa Barbara. OK First of all, I think this news article is mainly for sensationalism and is in poor taste. How many people have you heard of that are sought for arrest on Monday, its broadcast in the media that his house is searched BUT they dont bring out what the exact charges until Wednesday. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty???? I guess all it takes is for someone to accuse you and for the media to broadcast it and POOF it must be true! Let's be real people, If Michael Jackson molested that child in 1993, 20 million dollar settlement or not, do you honestly think the state of California wouldn't have prosecuted him anyway? That settlement was from a civil case, the criminal charges were dropped by the police for lack of evidence, not due to settlement in a civil trial. What parent files a civil suit for money and yet no criminal charges against someone who molested their child? If you couldn't get your hands on that person yourself, wouldn't you at least want him locked up? What's even sadder is that PBS did a documentary 9 years ago called "the railroading of Michael Jackson" or something to that effect, in which not only did the original reporter say that he regretted he ever did this story because it ruined a man's (MJ)reputation rather than focus on the real issue of greed. The father of the young boy, a dentist who was facing losing his dentistry license for malpractice and severely injuring his mostly poor, black and hispanic patients, asked MJ to give him 20 Million bucks to start his own production company, from what I remember he asked him 3 times and each time he said no. Meanwhile MJ took the boy and his Mom to Monaco to meet the royal family as a way of cheering the boy up because the parents were going thru a nasty divorce. It was a few months after that trip that the father brought charges against MJ and all this mess took off like shot then. The kid made statements to the police, the police wanted to test the kid's blood for nitrous oxide(hmmm I wonder why) and the father refused, and then finally the kid refused to testify in civil court. What's sad is that the documentary has never been broadcast again after the 2 airings, I saw, in 1994. The dumbest thing Michael did was pay the settlement, because even if he's innocent, that gesture alone makes him look guilty. And as for some of you parents (if the shoe fits, wear it please), If a man is accused of molesting kids - guilty or not - WHY IN THE SAM HILL WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD STAY AT HIS HOUSE ALONE??? To me, it seems like people after some easy money. They know that most people believe he's molester, so half of their battle is won, and he settled in a civil suit before, so he can do it again. And Hey the dentist/father and his son now both have multi million dollar homes so wow we can have that too!!! Some people would kill their mothers for money, so accusing some famous wealthy stranger of something is no biggie. As a former employer of mine once said "Well I believe Michael Jackson did it,because look how really weird he looks now with the white skin and pointy nose." As if looks have something to do with sexual assault.
Anyway, sorry I'm ranting, I'm just kinda tired of all the "trials by media". If the man is guilty of child molestation, convict him and send him to OZ, otherwise they need to let the man "be".

King Vitamin

11-19-2003, 05:37 PM

what exactly is the definition of molestation?
is it always associated with sex?

DaveR

11-19-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
How many people have you heard of that are sought for arrest on Monday 2 Now - she was wanted on Monday ;)

BILOXI - A woman who police said had deposited a bad check and then withdrew the money the next day was arrested on a warrant Tuesday morning, police said.

The Buddy Love Show

11-19-2003, 05:48 PM

1. Biggups to those who got it right...the sheep loook the other way while thousands protest th Iraqi war in England ( which is the top story tonite)

2. As I always say..innocent until proven guilty

3. As I also always say the first brother to throw rocks at a brother is always a "brutha"

4. Most disturbingly...I wouldn't let MY kids sleep over at MJs due to past allegations so wassup with the parents - I assert if the parents were black (thats why i doubt this kid is) they would also bebrought up on charges of child abuse and neglect simultaneous to the MJ charges

[ November 19, 2003, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 05:56 PM

Isn't these charges being brought up by a kid who slept over about 3 months ago?

New kid, new case...

mhd

11-19-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by jmpayne:
what exactly is the definition of molestation?
is it always associated with sex? the definition varies from state to state, but usually means any kind of touching or perhaps exposure and if by sex you mean penetration then no, that is not a prerequisiste

mhd

11-19-2003, 06:00 PM

i've heard there were around 70 officers on hand to execute the search warrant

The Buddy Love Show

11-19-2003, 06:06 PM

I do hope evryone here is JUST as conversant about the Bush trip/Iraqi war/ Medicare plan/important shit tomorrow - you'd be an ass if you aint

shannoneileen

11-19-2003, 06:30 PM

from launch.com

CBS Pulls Michael Jackson Music Special
(AP, 11/19/2003 5:34:00PM)

By David Bauder

CBS pulled a Michael Jackson music special planned for next week, saying it would be "inappropriate" to air given the new charges that the star molested a child.

Authorities in Santa Barbara, Calif. issued an arrest warrant for the pop star on molestation charges. Jackson has denied the charges.

The special, "Michael Jackson Number Ones," was to air next Wednesday at 10 p.m. EST, to coincide with the release of a greatest hits package. Besides performance footage, the special was to include interviews with Dick Clark, Beyonce Knowles , Mary J. Blige and others about Jackson's impact on pop culture.

"Given the gravity of the charges against Mr. Jackson, we believe it would be inappropriate at this time to broadcast an entertainment special," CBS said in a statement issued Wednesday.

"However, we are very mindful that Mr. Jackson is innocent until proven guilty," CBS said. "We will consider broadcasting the special after the due process of the legal system runs its course."

It is the second big November ratings "sweeps" special that CBS has postponed this month. After pressure from conservatives, CBS yanked a planned television movie, "The Reagans," and gave it to the Showtime cable channel. The Reagan movie was to have aired this week.

Despite the two cancellations, CBS is dominating the November ratings period.

Even though his music career has foundered, Jackson has been a potent TV draw. ABC drew more than 27 million viewers in February for an interview special with the pop star, setting off a feeding frenzy of other Jackson programming by broadcast networks.

In November 2001, CBS drew an audience of 25.7 million people for a Jackson 30th anniversary concert.

CBS has not announced what will air in place of the special next week.

[ November 19, 2003, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: Shannon_Shawan ]

DaveR

11-19-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
OK First of all, I think this news article is mainly for sensationalism and is in poor taste. How many people have you heard of that are sought for arrest on Monday, its broadcast in the media that his house is searched BUT they dont bring out what the exact charges until Wednesday. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty???? I guess all it takes is for someone to accuse you and for the media to broadcast it and POOF it must be true! Let's be real people, If Michael Jackson molested that child in 1993, 20 million dollar settlement or not, do you honestly think the state of California wouldn't have prosecuted him anyway? That settlement was from a civil case, the criminal charges were dropped by the police for lack of evidence, not due to settlement in a civil trial. What parent files a civil suit for money and yet no criminal charges against someone who molested their child? If you couldn't get your hands on that person yourself, wouldn't you at least want him locked up? What's even sadder is that PBS did a documentary 9 years ago called "the railroading of Michael Jackson" or something to that effect, in which not only did the original reporter say that he regretted he ever did this story because it ruined a man's (MJ)reputation rather than focus on the real issue of greed. The father of the young boy, a dentist who was facing losing his dentistry license for malpractice and severely injuring his mostly poor, black and hispanic patients, asked MJ to give him 20 Million bucks to start his own production company, from what I remember he asked him 3 times and each time he said no. Meanwhile MJ took the boy and his Mom to Monaco to meet the royal family as a way of cheering the boy up because the parents were going thru a nasty divorce. It was a few months after that trip that the father brought charges against MJ and all this mess took off like shot then. The kid made statements to the police, the police wanted to test the kid's blood for nitrous oxide(hmmm I wonder why) and the father refused, and then finally the kid refused to testify in civil court. What's sad is that the documentary has never been broadcast again after the 2 airings, I saw, in 1994. The dumbest thing Michael did was pay the settlement, because even if he's innocent, that gesture alone makes him look guilty. And as for some of you parents (if the shoe fits, wear it please), If a man is accused of molesting kids - guilty or not - WHY IN THE SAM HILL WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD STAY AT HIS HOUSE ALONE??? To me, it seems like people after some easy money. They know that most people believe he's molester, so half of their battle is won, and he settled in a civil suit before, so he can do it again. And Hey the dentist/father and his son now both have multi million dollar homes so wow we can have that too!!! Some people would kill their mothers for money, so accusing some famous wealthy stranger of something is no biggie. As a former employer of mine once said "Well I believe Michael Jackson did it,because look how really weird he looks now with the white skin and pointy nose." As if looks have something to do with sexual assault.
Anyway, sorry I'm ranting, I'm just kinda tired of all the "trials by media". If the man is guilty of child molestation, convict him and send him to OZ, otherwise they need to let the man "be". Hey ST, I hope these allegations aren't true either (as I stated up front)

A few rebuts here ST - for discussion purposes only:

I think we all know basic Good v. Bad ... with MJ this is simply the Cost/Benefit of being Superstar (with a whole lot of quirks)

- YES, innocent until proven guilty - however, historically do we stress the same standards on the Good side (e.g. "Shipped Platinum ... a record rockets to #1 unfounded?" ... na ! - well, not until recently) - just one example, I could go on and on ...

- Sensationalism comes with being a public figure

- How many people "truly innocent" people out there do you know, that have been railroaded into these types of charges unfounded - and more than once?

- Yes, I do believe that the State of California would not prosecute due to a settlement. It's called negotiation. It happens daily on the micro level to us all (reduction or elimination of parking tickets / moving violations, restitution outside of court for criminal & civil wrongdoings in order to avoid legal penalties) - so why do you not think it happens on a Macro level?

DR

[ November 19, 2003, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

Musica

11-19-2003, 08:35 PM

__________________________________________________
[B]. Most disturbingly...I wouldn't let MY kids sleep over at MJs due to past allegations so wassup with the parents - I assert if the parents were black (thats why i doubt this kid is) they would also bebrought up on charges of child abuse and neglect simultaneous to the MJ charges
__________________________________________________

Thank you! What are these parents thinking? graemlins/stupid.gif Or are they using their kids as bait to cash in?

DaveR

11-19-2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
1. Biggups to those who got it right...the sheep loook the other way while thousands protest th Iraqi war in England ( which is the top story tonite)

2. As I always say..innocent until proven guilty

3. As I also always say the first brother to throw rocks at a brother is always a "brutha"

4. Most disturbingly...I wouldn't let MY kids sleep over at MJs due to past allegations so wassup with the parents - I assert if the parents were black (thats why i doubt this kid is) they would also bebrought up on charges of child abuse and neglect simultaneous to the MJ charges SOME MORE COMMENTS / REBUTS:

1. Top story tonight is obviously on DHP, where we all are posting, questioning where people spend there discretionary time

2. Agree, and see my post above

3. Who are you saying threw rocks at a brotha ? (it's not clear) - I gotta go check if the investigators, the DA in CA, and how many of those 70 cops are brothas - then I'll check the folks that wrote these stories too

4. I don't have kids, but if I did, they wouldn't be at The Ranch either

DR

The Buddy Love Show

11-19-2003, 10:01 PM

Dave, the MJ uproar hasn't started full blast yet. In fact he hasn't been arrested. Yet in listening to radio (black) it seems he's already been convicted in the court of public opinion. Lets hear the case first. I just wanna see him get a fair shake at the hands of the law

PS...even if he's guilty this whole thing smells rancid to me. This child was 2- 4 when MJJ had his first go around with alleged pedophilia. What kind of parents would leave their kids with a cat after that instance? Were the kids bait? Or are those parents from Mars?

BHouse

11-19-2003, 10:03 PM

[ November 19, 2003, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: BHouse ]

DaveR

11-19-2003, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Dave, the MJ uproar hasn't started full blast yet. In fact he hasn't been arrested. Yet in listening to radio (black) it seems he's already been convicted in the court of public opinion. Lets hear the case first. I just wanna see him get a fair shake at the hands of the law

PS...even if he's guilty this whole thing smells rancid to me. This child was 2- 4 when MJJ had his first go around with alleged pedophilia. What kind of parents would leave their kids with a cat after that instance? Were the kids bait? Or are those parents from Mars? Problem is, I like MJ (and the Jacksons), but dayum, Mike is not giving us anything in his defense (over the recent years) to be his champion ...

It's like I was discussing with a friend tonight - MJ has been in this situation before, and what does he do ? - "I wanna be Peter Pan" graemlins/stupid.gif (hijacking someone else's comment) ... MJ was accused years ago, and either he has a serious problem, or is oblivious to the court of pubic opinion - NO, he doesn't have to live by it, but dayum, show us you're aware of your surroundings ...

Building on my moving violations example above - if you got a ticket going 75mph in a certain place (warranted or un), next time your roll through that place, that average MFer is slowing down ... MJ is going 76 next time, and claiming innocence ...

DaveR

11-19-2003, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I do hope evryone here is JUST as conversant about the Bush trip/Iraqi war/ Medicare plan/important shit tomorrow - you'd be an ass if you aint And Magus, too many serious issues (like you're mentioning above) die quickly - reference: LATEST INSURANCE DISCUSSION (http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=038777) :rolleyes:

[ November 20, 2003, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: DaveR ]

Martin Red

11-20-2003, 06:17 AM

Jackson urged to give himself up

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39503000/jpg/_39503820_jacksonap3_203.jpg

The star would co-operate with authorities, his family's lawyer said
Police have ordered pop star Michael Jackson to give himself up and face an arrest warrant and multiple charges of child abuse.
The singer has been set an unspecified deadline to turn himself in to Santa Barbara police in California.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/3222514.stm

11-20-2003, 06:51 AM

The dog-gone boy is mine. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/smokin.gif

Wild i

11-20-2003, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
OK First of all, I think this news article is mainly for sensationalism and is in poor taste. How many people have you heard of that are sought for arrest on Monday, its broadcast in the media that his house is searched BUT they dont bring out what the exact charges until Wednesday. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty???? I guess all it takes is for someone to accuse you and for the media to broadcast it and POOF it must be true! Let's be real people, If Michael Jackson molested that child in 1993, 20 million dollar settlement or not, do you honestly think the state of California wouldn't have prosecuted him anyway? That settlement was from a civil case, the criminal charges were dropped by the police for lack of evidence, not due to settlement in a civil trial. What parent files a civil suit for money and yet no criminal charges against someone who molested their child? If you couldn't get your hands on that person yourself, wouldn't you at least want him locked up? What's even sadder is that PBS did a documentary 9 years ago called "the railroading of Michael Jackson" or something to that effect, in which not only did the original reporter say that he regretted he ever did this story because it ruined a man's (MJ)reputation rather than focus on the real issue of greed. The father of the young boy, a dentist who was facing losing his dentistry license for malpractice and severely injuring his mostly poor, black and hispanic patients, asked MJ to give him 20 Million bucks to start his own production company, from what I remember he asked him 3 times and each time he said no. Meanwhile MJ took the boy and his Mom to Monaco to meet the royal family as a way of cheering the boy up because the parents were going thru a nasty divorce. It was a few months after that trip that the father brought charges against MJ and all this mess took off like shot then. The kid made statements to the police, the police wanted to test the kid's blood for nitrous oxide(hmmm I wonder why) and the father refused, and then finally the kid refused to testify in civil court. What's sad is that the documentary has never been broadcast again after the 2 airings, I saw, in 1994. The dumbest thing Michael did was pay the settlement, because even if he's innocent, that gesture alone makes him look guilty. And as for some of you parents (if the shoe fits, wear it please), If a man is accused of molesting kids - guilty or not - WHY IN THE SAM HILL WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD STAY AT HIS HOUSE ALONE??? To me, it seems like people after some easy money. They know that most people believe he's molester, so half of their battle is won, and he settled in a civil suit before, so he can do it again. And Hey the dentist/father and his son now both have multi million dollar homes so wow we can have that too!!! Some people would kill their mothers for money, so accusing some famous wealthy stranger of something is no biggie. As a former employer of mine once said "Well I believe Michael Jackson did it,because look how really weird he looks now with the white skin and pointy nose." As if looks have something to do with sexual assault.
Anyway, sorry I'm ranting, I'm just kinda tired of all the "trials by media". If the man is guilty of child molestation, convict him and send him to OZ, otherwise they need to let the man "be". [/QB]Yeah! What she said.

Problem is, these parents messed up and didn't check the law. Assuming adequate evidence is found, this case goes on regardless of settlements. Logically, why would someone even offer a settlement if they know they got to go through the ish anyway? They wouldn't. Puts a damper on the money motive.

Also, given the story that was in the news last night about a woman who's children were taken from her because she got beat up by her boyfriend, I'd have to agree with whoever said that if the parents were black, they'd have been charged. These parents should be charged with selling their kids into slavery regardless.

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 07:42 AM

btw...Suzanne T...great post

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 07:53 AM

- How many people "truly innocent" people out there do you know, that have been railroaded into these types of charges unfounded - and more than once?

- Yes, I do believe that the State of California would not prosecute due to a settlement. It's called negotiation. It happens daily on the micro level to us all (reduction or elimination of parking tickets / moving violations, restitution outside of court for criminal & civil wrongdoings in order to avoid legal penalties) - so why do you not think it happens on a Macro level?

DR

good points...
How many times must Mike faces these kinda situations/charges before one is to think that there just may be an inkling of truth to them?

How many times do you bump your head against a wall until you say stop... that hurts?

He may be innocent... I honsestly hope so, but he sure looks suspect...

I hear people (not on DHP) talking about conspiracy against Mike... be that as it may, he should keep underage children... that are not his own... outta his bedroom for sleepovers... and no one would have any ammunition to start and engage so- called conspiracy...

Wild i

11-20-2003, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
- How many people "truly innocent" people out there do you know, that have been railroaded into these types of charges unfounded - and more than once?

- Yes, I do believe that the State of California would not prosecute due to a settlement. It's called negotiation. It happens daily on the micro level to us all (reduction or elimination of parking tickets / moving violations, restitution outside of court for criminal & civil wrongdoings in order to avoid legal penalties) - so why do you not think it happens on a Macro level?

DR

good points...
How many times must Mike faces these kinda situations/charges before one is to think that there just may be an inkling of truth to them?

How many times do you bump your head against a wall until you say stop... that hurts?

He may be innocent... I honsestly hope so, but he sure looks suspect...

I hear people (not on DHP) talking about conspiracy against Mike... be that as it may, he should keep underage children... that are not his own... outta his bedroom for sleepovers... and no one would have any ammunition to start and engage so- called conspiracy... Where there's smoke, there's fire!

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
- How many people "truly innocent" people out there do you know, that have been railroaded into these types of charges unfounded - and more than once?

so many that the state of Illinois had to pt a moratorium on executions...as one example...to elaborate - people get railroaded on the daily, sometimes its cheaper to cop a plea than get the max thru trial - happens everyday, especially if you're Black

[ November 20, 2003, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
- How many people "truly innocent" people out there do you know, that have been railroaded into these types of charges unfounded - and more than once?

so many that the state of Illinois had to pt a moratorium on executions...as one example...to elaborate - people get railroaded on the daily, sometimes its cheaper to cop a plea than get the max thru trial - happens everyday, especially if you're Black [/QUOTE]I understand the moratorium on executions... and agree that there should be...

I've read cases where people on death row have been acquitted due to DNA evidence and the like...

OJ has been roasted in the court of public opinion, but you don't see him being accused of murder over and over... (of other folk, that is)

If Mike wants to help the kids... it would better serve him to NOT sleep with them... if it is simply a miscommunication between child(ren) and Mike, and he really doesn't want to cuddle with them, he could have supervised (by an outside party) slumber parties where his back would be covered... IMO

graemlins/conf44.gif
I like Mike... I just don't think he likes himself all that much...

Martin Red

11-20-2003, 08:16 AM

As the Fugees once said

"2 time"

Whether the Protectors of the Jackson gate like it or not.

It isn't looking good for him is it graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Leslie

11-20-2003, 08:17 AM

Why was this the lead story this morning and the newest bombings in Turkey the 3rd story?

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
As the Fugees once said

"2 time"

Whether the Protectors of the Jackson gate like it or not.

It isn't looking good for him is it graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Ever heard of the McMartins?

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
As the Fugees once said

"2 time"

Whether the Protectors of the Jackson gate like it or not.

It isn't looking good for him is it graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Ever heard of the McMartins? [/QUOTE]I have... the family that was accused of molesting every child in their daycare... right?
I think that I saw a movie based upon that situation... wasn't that a case of 'Psychologists Gone Wild?'... it was crazy...

Leslie

11-20-2003, 08:39 AM

Lets not forget Margaret Kelly Michaels the young woman who worked at a day care center in Maplewood, NJ int he 1980's who went to jail over false allegations of child molestation. Turns out the psychologists who were "interviewing" all the kids coererced them into lying and making up stories. To this day some of those kids "insist" they were molested by her - which leads me to believe there was shit going on in some of those homes...She was interviwed on 60 Minutes when she got out of jail.

dj c-los

11-20-2003, 08:47 AM

http://www.brokennewz.com/images/mjackson.jpg

I feel sorry for those kids sometimes because they seem to hang with Michael as if they are scared of the world. When I was a kid you were beaten up if you were FOLKS or PEOPLE (gangs). There wasn't a Michael Jackson in our neighborhood just gang-bangers.

http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/fall2002/columns/images/in_focus_padrino.jpg

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[ November 20, 2003, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: clos7 ]

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Leslie:
Lets not forget Margaret Kelly Michaels the young woman who worked at a day care center in Maplewood, NJ int he 1980's who went to jail over false allegations of child molestation. Turns out the psychologists who were "interviewing" all the kids coererced them into lying and making up stories. To this day some of those kids "insist" they were molested by her - which leads me to believe there was shit going on in some of those homes...She was interviwed on 60 Minutes when she got out of jail. We went through a stage in the 80's when 'Psychology Became God'... people abused their certificates and generally caused crazy havoc in peoples lives...

Respectfully, I don't think those two cases apply to Mike... unless you guys are seeing something I'm too biased or blind to pick up on...

Brut by Faberge

11-20-2003, 09:00 AM

random thoughts:

i'm all for innocent till proven guilty, but i don't feel the need to "back the brotha man" in this case. simply put, why back mike for reasons other that plain human fairness (ie, because he was born black) when the guy doesn't even seem to "back" his own blackness. from his bleach-blond shorties to the...oh hell you know what i mean!

i feel shitty for that, but i just can't do it on those grounds alone.

DaveR

11-20-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by clos7:
http://www.brokennewz.com/images/mjackson.jpg

I feel sorry for those kids sometimes because they seem to hang with Michael as if they are scared of the world. When I was a kid you were beaten up if you were FOLKS or PEOPLE (gangs). There wasn't a Michael Jackson in our neighborhood just gang-bangers.

http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/fall2002/columns/images/in_focus_padrino.jpg

graemlins/jpshakehead.gif An "Instant Classic" Post ! graemlins/acclaim.gif

Leslie

11-20-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Leslie:
Lets not forget Margaret Kelly Michaels the young woman who worked at a day care center in Maplewood, NJ int he 1980's who went to jail over false allegations of child molestation. Turns out the psychologists who were "interviewing" all the kids coererced them into lying and making up stories. To this day some of those kids "insist" they were molested by her - which leads me to believe there was shit going on in some of those homes...She was interviwed on 60 Minutes when she got out of jail. We went through a stage in the 80's when 'Psychology Became God'... people abused their certificates and generally caused crazy havoc in peoples lives...

Respectfully, I don't think those two cases apply to Mike... unless you guys are seeing something I'm too biased or blind to pick up on... [/QUOTE]Not at all, just putting a real scenario out there.

Sharp Eye Washington

11-20-2003, 09:35 AM

http://jukar.biostat.wisc.edu/pics/cover.jpeg

saadir7

11-20-2003, 09:39 AM

yo i saw on the cover of
usa today that they served
mike on the same day as
his new cd comes out.
coincidence?
i mean wtf is that?!
discredit the man as soon
as his work is released.
and they ain't proved shit yet!
please!

KragShot

11-20-2003, 09:43 AM

First off, big ups to Suzanne T for her post as it made mad sense.

Next, after scanning all of these posts, there is one thing that everyone else seemed to miss or deem not important enough to mention.

This "criminal" investigation started the day that his new greatest hits album was due to drop, with his newest single in more than a year.

People, this is a case of media assassination, plain and simple.

Yes, I'm a fan of Michael Jackson, I'm from Gary, IN and as a DJ, I'm going to support him in this.

This is just straight garbage. The man loves kids too much to hurt them in that manner.

I was skipping channels in the car and I hit WGCI (Chicago) yesterday, and already, they were starting in on the cheap shots (it was the Howard McGee show, I think).

Now, this was the station that made the bold declaration that they would support R. Kelly and until he was proven guilty, they would not pull his music from their playlist.

We have videotape evidence of what Kelly did...cut and dried. They have not found a single piece of substantial evidence on anything that Jackson was alleged to have done to that boy. Yet, the same, their on-air personalities have already condemned him and cast him as a pedophile.

And seeing as his music does not fit their current format, they do not have to worry about pulling his music.

I have lost what little respect I had for American media and this latest stunt only confirms why I already condemn Clear Channel and their stations, pretending to be part of the community, but only working to divide it and the nation.

This is a blatant attack on a pillar of the African American and World entertainment community and we should stand behind him as they are obviously railroading him into this crap.

Jackson hasn't done a concert in the states for years because of this. The European and Asian entertainment communities have not forsaken him. He could go to Tokyo today and sell out the biggest place they could put him in for a week straight.

Ahhhh, what's the use?

As fans of Disco, we should know how ate the fcuk up the American media scene is. Disco was taken down because it allied all the wrong people, according to the powers that be. Furthermore, too many people were getting rich off of the disco scene who weren't supposed to be getting rich, according to the moneyed powers.

Here's something that I want you all to look at.

Toss out an R&B name from the 80's or early 90's and then try to figure out what they are doing now.

More than 75% of those artists just dissappeared from the musical map. It wasn't that they had a bad album or that a tragedy happened in their life.

One day, their music was not being played any more. Not on popular radio, not on video, it wasn't being played anywhere. Not even the classic rock or soul stations. As for the few that they couldn't erase, they just called them "one hit wonders" and any potential for musical success they had was written off.

C'mon...think about this for a moment...what is musically wrong with the music of Men At Work? The Fixx? Cherelle? Alexander O'Neal, The Force MD's...okay, bad example.

Another thing...on these so-called 80's stations, why is it that you hear the same 30 songs on these stations (Tainted Love, Blister in the Sun, etc...)?

Now, think about another thing that made the 80's significant in the musically...80's music was very positive. No explicit messages, no hateful songs; the music often was very pleasant.

Now, what does this have to do with Michael Jackson, you might ask?

Simple. Wasn't Jackson considered the King of the 80's? That was when he was at his greatest, musically. His music crossed nearly all genre boundaries. His music epitomized the spirit of the 80's. The only stations who weren't playing his music were the country, hard rock and classical/special interest stations.
Hell, he was the crossover king!

There hasn't been a musician that had the level of impact on the industry that he had since him.

And that's how they want it to stay...until they can get one that they can control.

Just think about what I have written and compare the facts.

KragShot

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by KragShot:
First off, big ups to Suzanne T for her post as it made mad sense.

Next, after scanning all of these posts, there is one thing that everyone else seemed to miss or deem not important enough to mention.

This "criminal" investigation started the day that his new greatest hits album was due to drop, with his newest single in more than a year.

People, this is a case of media assassination, plain and simple.

Yes, I'm a fan of Michael Jackson, I'm from Gary, IN and as a DJ, I'm going to support him in this.

This is just straight garbage. The man loves kids too much to hurt them in that manner.

I was skipping channels in the car and I hit WGCI (Chicago) yesterday, and already, they were starting in on the cheap shots (it was the Howard McGee show, I think).

Now, this was the station that made the bold declaration that they would support R. Kelly and until he was proven guilty, they would not pull his music from their playlist.

We have videotape evidence of what Kelly did...cut and dried. They have not found a single piece of substantial evidence on anything that Jackson was alleged to have done to that boy. Yet, the same, their on-air personalities have already condemned him and cast him as a pedophile.

And seeing as his music does not fit their current format, they do not have to worry about pulling his music.

I have lost what little respect I had for American media and this latest stunt only confirms why I already condemn Clear Channel and their stations, pretending to be part of the community, but only working to divide it and the nation.

This is a blatant attack on a pillar of the African American and World entertainment community and we should stand behind him as they are obviously railroading him into this crap.

Jackson hasn't done a concert in the states for years because of this. The European and Asian entertainment communities have not forsaken him. He could go to Tokyo today and sell out the biggest place they could put him in for a week straight.

Ahhhh, what's the use?

As fans of Disco, we should know how ate the fcuk up the American media scene is. Disco was taken down because it allied all the wrong people, according to the powers that be. Furthermore, too many people were getting rich off of the disco scene who weren't supposed to be getting rich, according to the moneyed powers.

Here's something that I want you all to look at.

Toss out an R&B name from the 80's or early 90's and then try to figure out what they are doing now.

More than 75% of those artists just dissappeared from the musical map. It wasn't that they had a bad album or that a tragedy happened in their life.

One day, their music was not being played any more. Not on popular radio, not on video, it wasn't being played anywhere. Not even the classic rock or soul stations. As for the few that they couldn't erase, they just called them "one hit wonders" and any potential for musical success they had was written off.

C'mon...think about this for a moment...what is musically wrong with the music of Men At Work? The Fixx? Cherelle? Alexander O'Neal, The Force MD's...okay, bad example.

Another thing...on these so-called 80's stations, why is it that you hear the same 30 songs on these stations (Tainted Love, Blister in the Sun, etc...)?

Now, think about another thing that made the 80's significant in the musically...80's music was very positive. No explicit messages, no hateful songs; the music often was very pleasant.

Now, what does this have to do with Michael Jackson, you might ask?

Simple. Wasn't Jackson considered the King of the 80's? That was when he was at his greatest, musically. His music crossed nearly all genre boundaries. His music epitomized the spirit of the 80's. The only stations who weren't playing his music were the country, hard rock and classical/special interest stations.
Hell, he was the crossover king!

There hasn't been a musician that had the level of impact on the industry that he had since him.

And that's how they want it to stay...until they can get one that they can control.

Just think about what I have written and compare the facts.

KragShot WELL FUCKING SAID!

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
random thoughts:

i'm all for innocent till proven guilty, but i don't feel the need to "back the brotha man" in this case. simply put, why back mike for reasons other that plain human fairness (ie, because he was born black) when the guy doesn't even seem to "back" his own blackness. from his bleach-blond shorties to the...oh hell you know what i mean!

i feel shitty for that, but i just can't do it on those grounds alone. Well, I'm here to feel shitty right along side you... I feel exactly the same way...

His color... or lack there of, doesn't PROVE guilt, but the things that he's done to himself are just plain unexcusable, for me to defend him, solely for being born Black...

He's being accused of doing something terribly wrong, numerous times... guilty or innocent... it ain't his 'Blackness' that got him into all of that trouble... he can't, in my eyes, use his 'Blackness' and 'what da man has done to me' (Tommy Mottola and the whole he's racist bit comes to mind... excuse for poor album sales... totally unrelated) to get himself out of it...

sigh...I have too much time on my hands... lol

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 09:56 AM

Madonna is still around... and has morphed herself into an English writer of children's books...

Brut by Faberge

11-20-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
Madonna is still around... and has morphed herself into an English writer of children's books... icon_rofl.gif totally!

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 10:05 AM

Martin Red

11-20-2003, 10:09 AM

Lets see how much he has to pay to get out of this one, or lets see if he can get out of it , lets see how this pans out first, becuase if he is a kiddy fidler the M Jacko fans are gonna shrink back into the bushes in disgrace, he may be innocent , lets wait and see.

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
Lets see how much he has to pay to get out of this one, or lets see if he can get out of it , lets see how this pans out first, becuase if he is a kiddy fidler the M Jacko fans are gonna shrink back into the bushes in disgrace, he may be innocent , lets wait and see. Why would the MJ fans be in disgrace?..Were the Elvis fans?..Were the Jerry Lee Lewis fans?

Why mention those guys? Cause sometimes pedophilia is all white...ooops i mean right

The Buddy Love Show

11-20-2003, 10:16 AM

OOps did I bring race into this...

My Bad..

But it seems that the only black guy peeps never want to put on a cross is Jesus

OOps, I did it again

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 10:16 AM

i will say lets hear the case and not rush to judgement

people soooo quickly rush to judgement... we're just too daggone good at it ;)

it's all good though... healthy debate at most gains understanding about various points of view, and at least, the ability to accept the fact that not everybody is gonna agree with you...

and as Michael Jackson is concerned... I hope that he's innocent... as I'm sure that this is the one thing we all can agree on:)

KragShot

11-20-2003, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
Madonna is still around... and has morphed herself into an English writer of children's books... Madonna also bought into the image that they wanted her to go toward.

If you look at her early stuff, it was cute, sassy and fun to listen to.

As time went on, it became more controversial, racy and suggestive. Even her "Living in the Material World" (which coined her nickname, "The Material Girl") single was a fun song. The video had her in a classy, well fitted dress, reminescent of Marilyn Monroe, doing a show number.

But, then you have a book showing her getting buggered by Vanilla Ice and Big Daddy Kane, she steals Public Enemy's "S1W beats" and she's asking you to "Justify [her] Love" because she's "...open and ready."

Madonna evolved with the times and changed from a cute, sassy, street gal, to a hard core, crotch-grabbing, wanton with lust and dollar signs in her eyes, then she evolved again to the Material Mom and she's going to see female strippers and she's swaping spit with Brittany Spears.

Don't get me wrong...I still like her music. Frozen was one of the coolest dance tracks she's done in awhile (Especially the Timo Maas remix).

However, any artist who survived the purge of the 80's had to change to survive. Van Halen became a hard rock band again (picking up Sammy Hagar), after the fun and goofy antics (via David Lee Roth) with songs like "Hot for teacher," "Panama," and "Jump." The supposed story was that Valerie Bertinelli (Eddie Van Halen's wife) felt that David was too bad an influence on Eddie and the band.
That does not make any sense. Until he joined, they were a second or third act rock band. They sold albums, but only to a small core fan base. Suddenly, with his influence, they skyrocketed into being headliners themselves. The band could have all went into re-hab and gotten themselves cleaned up. They had a winning formula. I don't buy that reason.

Duran Duran had to become more esoteric and changed into Arcadia. However, they changed back to Duran Duran and released tracks like "Notorious" and "Skin Trade."

I'm sure that everybody remembers what happened to Prince after the 80's and what the industry tried to do to him (i.e. the DeHaviland Act).

Michael Jackson has adopted new musical techniques to do his music, but it is essentially the same style. "Butterflies" is a declaration of sweet and silly, innocent love.
His music expresses how he feels and how he lives.

This may smack of "C-O-N-spiracy theories" but, the evidence I presented in my previous post is not just circumstantial. Any one can prove it, if they look in the right places.

KragShot

Brut by Faberge

11-20-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I don't thinjk anyone here said we should back him because he's black ( although Italians, Jews, Indians, Hispanics and so on back each other for those same reasons - but fuck it, we jigs have a deeper sense of JUSTUS)...i will say lets hear the case and not rush to judgement because as Suzanne pointed out earlier he's already fucked you're right magus. and with the tool of self-hatred that negros wield so well, we will fry mike jackson in the same way he fried every visible hint of his own nigga-hood. *sigh*

i could be way off base, but in my view, it is just as likely that self-love is responsible for black folk's heated reaction to this. after all, you are harder on your own when they fuck up. anyone who has a strong family knows this. guilty or not, he put himself out there, and this is what happens. he should have put the sleepovers to rest 10 years ago. he did not. but it's okay mike, they just tryin to keep a brotha down. right.

anyway, to use a line practically copyrighted by R Kelly fans: 'I will continue to play and love his music.'

and also use this smilie:
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jackson.gif

and my favorite video of all time will still be 'smooth criminal'

"annie are you okay?"

BHouse

11-20-2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
[QUOTE]
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jackson.gif

and my favorite video of all time will still be 'smooth criminal'

"annie are you okay?" er... If he is convicted, this will edited in the future to say, "billy are you okay...?"

Martin Red

11-20-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Lets see how much he has to pay to get out of this one, or lets see if he can get out of it , lets see how this pans out first, becuase if he is a kiddy fidler the M Jacko fans are gonna shrink back into the bushes in disgrace, he may be innocent , lets wait and see. Why would the MJ fans be in disgrace?..Were the Elvis fans?..Were the Jerry Lee Lewis fans?

Why mention those guys? Cause sometimes pedophilia is all white...ooops i mean right [/QUOTE]If I was a huge MJ supporter, and then he was found to be fiddling with kids , well I would feel kinda embaressed about supporting a kiddy tamperer.

a kiddy fiddler is a kiddy fiddler after all, shamon !

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I don't thinjk anyone here said we should back him because he's black ( although Italians, Jews, Indians, Hispanics and so on back each other for those same reasons - but fuck it, we jigs have a deeper sense of JUSTUS)...i will say lets hear the case and not rush to judgement because as Suzanne pointed out earlier he's already fucked you're right magus. and with the tool of self-hatred that negros wield so well, we will fry mike jackson in the same way he fried every visible hint of his own nigga-hood. *sigh*

i could be way off base, but in my view, it is just as likely that self-love is responsible for black folk's heated reaction to this. after all, you are harder on your own when they fuck up. anyone who has a strong family knows this. guilty or not, he put himself out there, and this is what happens. he should have put the sleepovers to rest 10 years ago. he did not. but it's okay mike, they just tryin to keep a brotha down. right.

anyway, to use a line practically copyrighted by R Kelly fans: 'I will continue to play and love his music.'

and also use this smilie:
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jackson.gif

and my favorite video of all time will still be 'smooth criminal'

"annie are you okay?" [/QUOTE]hail.gif beautiful... them words... that were coming outta your mouth (technically brain and fingers... but you know what I mean)... I don't think that you're off base at all... good observation...

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 10:52 AM

However, any artist who survived the purge of the 80's had to change to survive.

I totally agree... sounds kinda like the House music debates, doesn't it?

Artistically, Michael Jackson is a talented and gifted man...

I bought his last album... personally I think that Darkchild failed him... Brandy's Full Moon sounded exactly like Mike's album...

I do not think that he has emotionally matured (like he would even give a damn about what I think, anyway)...

I will re-read your initial post...

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 12:13 PM

sorry you guys...

From the Los Angeles Times

Warrant Out for Michael Jackson
Prosecutor says singer faces multiple charges of molestation and urges him to surrender. The pop idol's spokesman denies the allegations.

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SANTA BARBARA — Authorities said they intend to arrest music star Michael Jackson, the self-described King of Pop, on suspicion of felony child molestation, and during a boisterous news conference Wednesday that was broadcast around the world urged the 45-year-old entertainer to surrender.

Jackson, whose recordings over the past four decades include "Thriller," one of the best-selling albums of all time, was prepared to turn himself in after finishing a music video in Las Vegas, according to his spokesman. Jackson, who through his spokesman denied any wrongdoing, has been asked to turn over his passport. Bail has been set at $3 million. It wasn't clear when Jackson would surrender.

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"Get over here and get checked in," Santa Barbara County Dist. Atty. Thomas W. Sneddon Jr. called out to Jackson during the midmorning news conference. He and Sheriff Jim Anderson declined to give any details of the case.

"Within a short period of time there will be charges filed against Mr. Jackson — multiple counts," Sneddon said.

A lawyer for the Jackson family has said the case stems from a 12-year-old boy's charges of molestation during visits to Jackson's Santa Ynez Valley ranch. According to two sources, including a close friend of the boy's family, the investigation centers on the boy's allegations that Jackson served him wine before molesting him on several occasions last winter.

Sneddon, who intends to be part of the prosecution team, said that unlike a similar Jackson investigation by his agency a decade ago, law enforcement officials have a cooperative victim. Under state law, each count of child molestation is punishable by up to eight years in prison.

The call for Jackson's arrest followed a daylong search Tuesday of his 2,600-acre Neverland Ranch, a compound that includes a zoo, amusement rides and his mansion. For nearly 15 hours, dozens of sheriff's deputies and investigators from the district attorney's office shot video and combed the grounds for evidence. Authorities said two other search warrants were executed simultaneously in Southern California in connection with the case, but declined to elaborate.

In response to charges by Jackson that the investigation was intended to coincide with the release of his new CD, Sneddon said investigators were going to execute the search warrants weeks ago, but were delayed by the flood of visitors to Santa Barbara over the Halloween weekend.

In a prepared statement, Stuart Backerman, a Jackson spokesman, denounced the allegations against the singer as scurrilous and totally unfounded.

"The outrageous allegations against Michael Jackson are false," Backerman said. "Michael would never harm a child in any way.... When the evidence is presented and the allegations proven to be malicious and wholly unfounded, Michael will be able to put this nightmare behind him."

Criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos said Wednesday that he will represent Jackson. "He is absolutely resolute that he is going to fight this," said Geragos, who is also representing accused wife killer Scott Peterson in Modesto. "He is unequivocal about that."

Late Wednesday, it appeared that Jackson was poised to return to California via private jet. A security guard at the executive terminal of Las Vegas' McCarran International Airport said the entertainer was escorted by Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies to his own jet during the late afternoon. The guard said Jackson was flown out of another nearby private terminal.

Jackson grew up in a family of performers, the youngest member of the Jackson Five. Although his popularity and record sales have waned in recent years, Jackson has remained a closely watched public figure, drawing attention for his brief marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, surgical reconstruction of his face and bizarre behavior, including dangling his 9-month-old son from a hotel balcony in Berlin.

The Santa Barbara announcement had one immediate effect. Citing concerns over the pending criminal charges, CBS said it had postponed plans to air a program about the pop singer next week that would have highlighted his career and promoted his new greatest hits album.

"Given the gravity of the charges against Mr. Jackson, we believe it would be inappropriate at this time to broadcast an entertainment special," the network said in a prepared statement. "However, we are very mindful that Mr. Jackson is innocent until proven guilty. We will consider broadcasting the special after the due process of the legal system runs its course."

Sneddon said this case was significantly different in several ways from the 1993 investigation of Jackson that stemmed from accusations that he molested a 13-year-old boy. No charges were filed in the case and the criminal investigation was eventually dropped after the boy decided not to testify, and a civil suit was settled out of court.

The main difference this time, Sneddon said, was that prosecutors have a witness who will cooperate with them. The arrest warrant accuses Jackson of violating Section 288 (a) of the California Penal Code — which prohibits lewd or lascivious acts with a child under the age of 14.

Questions about Jackson's relations with young boys resurfaced after ABC television aired a documentary in February in which Jackson said he shared his bedroom overnight with a 12-year-old boy, but said it was innocent fun. Jackson said he slept on the floor while the boy slept in his bed.

"Why can't you share your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone," Jackson said in the film. "It's a beautiful thing. It's very right; it's very loving."

In British correspondent Martin Bashir's film, a 12-year-old boy discusses sleepovers on camera as he and Jackson hold hands.

At Wednesday's news conference, reporters specifically asked the district attorney and the sheriff whether the victim in the current criminal case was the same boy shown in the Bashir film. But Sneddon and Anderson declined to comment.

After the search of Jackson's Neverland Ranch on Tuesday, the singer issued a statement suggesting that the timing was meant to coincide with the release of a new CD of his greatest hits. On Wednesday, authorities denied even knowing about the new album, and Sneddon quipped: "Like the sheriff and I are into that type of music."

Such comments angered Jackson, who said in a brief statement that he was troubled by the conduct of authorities and reporters at Wednesday's news conference.

At the start of the news conference, a grinning Sneddon told reporters: "I hope that you all stay long and spend lots of money because we need your sales tax to support our offices." At another point a reporter jokingly asked Sneddon if a free lunch would be served.

"We are disturbed by the levity of the environment surrounding the announcement of these very serious charges," Jackson and his representatives said in the prepared statement.

The international pop icon has been dogged for years by allegations of sexual impropriety with children.

It began Aug. 17, 1993, when a 13-year-old companion of the entertainer told a therapist that a friendship with Jackson had progressed over a series of months to cuddling, masturbation and oral sex.

The allegations launched a criminal investigation and an avalanche of media coverage.

Jackson, who was out of the country at the time the allegations surfaced, later canceled his "Dangerous" world tour and announced that he had become addicted to painkillers because of the stress created by the criminal probe.

In December 1993, he issued a statement from his ranch in which he asserted his innocence.

"I am not guilty of these allegations, but if I am guilty of anything, it is of giving all that I have to give to help children all over the world," he said. "I am hoping for a speedy end to this horrifying, horrifying experience to which I have been subjected."

Jackson's supporters suggested early on that the allegations were part of an effort to squeeze money from a singer whose enormous wealth and fame made him a target for false claims and extortion.

But in January 1994, Jackson's advisors backed away from the extortion claims and announced that the singer had settled a civil lawsuit brought by the alleged victim for a sum reported to be between $15 million and $24 million.

Eight months later, Los Angeles and Santa Barbara county prosecutors announced that despite locating two more possible victims, they had closed their child molestation investigations after the boy who made the initial complaint decided not to cooperate.

Times staff writers Fred Alvarez, Andrew Blankstein, Greg Braxton, Michael Krikorian, Monte Morin, Sandra Murillo, Lance Pugmire, David Reyes and Catherine Saillant contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2003, The Los Angeles Times

DLow

11-20-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
However, any artist who survived the purge of the 80's had to change to survive.

I totally agree... sounds kinda like the House music debates, doesn't it?Yup. :D

11-20-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ngeso:
one way or the other MJ is finished. child molestation is a stigma you don't get rid of, regardless of the amount of truth behind an allegation. Now see, the problem is there, how many (if any) of the allegations are true? And if they are not, how unfair to have this stigma stuck to him for the rest of his days?

I haven't followed any of the other cases against him, what came out of all those cases? Any "truth"? I don't remember the stories anymore.

But imagine being accused of something you have not done, being found not guilty... but yet everyone looks at you like the guy who "got away with it". It is very painful. [/QUOTE]I believe that in the other cases Jackson bought off the families with quite a few million. I think he is guilty and I hope that he doesn't get away with it this time.

I would like to say this though, I think that it is just as much the parents of this child's fault as it is MJ's. After the first allegations years ago, I would never ever let my child go to Neverland. Would you? It's all about the benji's that these folks are planning on getting...that's probably why they let their child up in there in the first place.

The whole thing just makes me graemlins/puke.gif and mad1.gif !

SuzanneT

11-20-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
As the Fugees once said

"2 time"

Whether the Protectors of the Jackson gate like it or not.

It isn't looking good for him is it graemlins/jpshakehead.gif Ever heard of the McMartins? [/QUOTE]THank YOUUUU, you beat me to that one. Talk about having your life ruined because bullshit trumped up charges. One of the longest and largest trials in history on child molestation a true tradegy.

Wild i

11-20-2003, 01:36 PM

SANTA BARBARA — Authorities said they intend to arrest music star Michael Jackson, the self-described King of Pop, on suspicion of felony child molestation, and during a boisterous news conference Wednesday that was broadcast around the world urged the 45-year-old entertainer to surrender Attorneys?... I thought you couldn't charge someone with "suspicion" of anything. In order to be charged, don't you have to be indicted?

I'm confused.

Originally posted by U:

I believe that in the other cases Jackson bought off the families with quite a few million. I think he is guilty and I hope that he doesn't get away with it this time.

I would like to say this though, I think that it is just as much the parents of this child's fault as it is MJ's. After the first allegations years ago, I would never ever let my child go to Neverland. Would you? It's all about the benji's that these folks are planning on getting...that's probably why they let their child up in there in the first place.

The whole thing just makes me graemlins/puke.gif and mad1.gif ! You point out some of the reasons why it is unlikely that justice will be served. Based on what the world has seen through these sensational cases, it looks as though CA criminal justice is always preening for the camera rather than providing law and order. I get the distinct impression that everyone is looking for that "technical consultant" deal and not paying attention to the details. A criminal case cannot be dropped based on a civil settlement. If the DA suspects that's what's happened, s/he should file charges against the accuser of "filing a false complaint," and extortion for starters. In addition, charges of "witness tampering," and "hindering a police investigation," and "obstruction of justice" should at least be looked into against the payer.

This whole operation just smacks of the OJ case where everyone was so anxious to make a name for him/herself that they botched the entire trial. Folks, even rich folks, in NY have been hung on virtually no evidence, let alone the mountain of circumstantials they had against OJ. Then, as if to add insult to idiocy, they find him guilty of wrongful death after he'd been acquitted of murder. THE WRONGFUL DEATH CHARGES SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AFTER HE WAS ACQUITTED (at least in this particular case. I can see instances where that might be valid i.e. if one were accused of deliberately slicing the brakeline on someone else's car, you might be acquitted of the deliberate murder, but guilty of wrongful death if you could be reasonably expect to have known the brake like was cut (a mechanic, for instance) but due to negligence you just didn't see it. This is not the case with OJ, however.) The result is 1) perhaps a killer went free and, b) we'll probably never know for sure (gut feeling aside because they're useless in a court of law).

But, hey, they got us to post over 100 times about it, didn't they?

kev

11-20-2003, 01:40 PM

This man is an easy target.

andrea

11-20-2003, 01:45 PM

scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice.

domodisco

11-20-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by andrea:
scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice. That is a pretty insensitive statement - are you implying that they are exploiting the fact that kid has cancer for publicity? Or to 'bring Michael down'? We don't KNOW anything for sure, especially whether or not the accusations are false. Y'all need to step back a bit from this. Nobody is out to get Michael - he's doing quite well destroying his life on his own.

Wild i

11-20-2003, 02:19 PM

Mike just surrendered!

andrea

11-20-2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by domodisco:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by andrea:
scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice. That is a pretty insensitive statement - are you implying that they are exploiting the fact that kid has cancer for publicity? Or to 'bring Michael down'? We don't KNOW anything for sure, especially whether or not the accusations are false. Y'all need to step back a bit from this. Nobody is out to get Michael - he's doing quite well destroying his life on his own. [/QUOTE]Exploitation is a standard maneuver in these high profile cases. The DA is out to get Michael, he admitted it while gaining his 15 minutes of fame. Michael has his own life and lives it the way he thinks is best for him. If others see it that he is destroying himself, that is their impression.

DaveR

11-20-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Wild i:
Mike just surrendered! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

Cookiehead Jenkins

11-20-2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by saadir7:
yo i saw on the cover of
usa today that they served
mike on the same day as
his new cd comes out.
coincidence?
i mean wtf is that?!
discredit the man as soon
as his work is released.
and they ain't proved shit yet!
please! Is Steven Speilberg still mad at Jackson? Didn't he say that Jews ran Hollywood? Who knows.

domodisco

11-20-2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by andrea:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by domodisco:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by andrea:
scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice. That is a pretty insensitive statement - are you implying that they are exploiting the fact that kid has cancer for publicity? Or to 'bring Michael down'? We don't KNOW anything for sure, especially whether or not the accusations are false. Y'all need to step back a bit from this. Nobody is out to get Michael - he's doing quite well destroying his life on his own. [/QUOTE]Exploitation is a standard maneuver in these high profile cases. The DA is out to get Michael, he admitted it while gaining his 15 minutes of fame. Michael has his own life and lives it the way he thinks is best for him. If others see it that he is destroying himself, that is their impression. [/QUOTE]My impression is that this is a 40+ year old man whose 'face' is falling off, who has sleepovers with 12 year old boys, who was never smart enough to stop from being exploited by the people around him, who really does think he's Peter Pan, who spends millions of dollars on useless crap while still playing the 'saviour of the children' routine. The man travels with mannequins for christs sake! I'm not a Michael hater, I love his music, and have since i can remember. I even liked some of the stuff from his last album! All I'm saying is that it's a fine line between supporting an artist you love and ennabling his shit by willfully ingnoring his increasingly bizarre (and possibly horribly criminal) behaviour. That is one of the reasons he's in the state he is now. The man does not live in the reality that you and I do.

Jamie 3:26

11-20-2003, 02:44 PM

They coming down on Mike,but damn,Woody Allen can fuck and marry his underaged adopted kid???

This is pure bullshit.They are treating this shit on the news like the damn OJ case.

I am not being fooled by this bullshit.This is a true diversion from the shit goin' on with Bush and London.

They are acting a damn fool over there about Bush and it ain't on the news.We are still getting our asses kicked in Iraq,not on the news.

I am not a fool,I am not a fool.I AM NOT A FOOL!!

SuzanneT

11-20-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by andrea:
scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice. I agree with you!
but how many pedophiles build hospices for children w/ cancer onto to their homes and invite sick children to stay there and perform for them too? I can only hope there wil be justice for all.

%seRge%

11-20-2003, 02:59 PM

This is pure bullshit.They are treating this shit
They are acting a damn fool over there about Bush and it ain't on the news.We are still getting our asses kicked in Iraq,not on the news.

I am not a fool,I am not a fool.I AM NOT A FOOL!! [/QB][/QUOTE]

<<<<YOU ARE NOT A FOOL>>>>>>

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by domodisco:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by andrea:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by domodisco:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by andrea:
scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice. That is a pretty insensitive statement - are you implying that they are exploiting the fact that kid has cancer for publicity? Or to 'bring Michael down'? We don't KNOW anything for sure, especially whether or not the accusations are false. Y'all need to step back a bit from this. Nobody is out to get Michael - he's doing quite well destroying his life on his own. [/QUOTE]Exploitation is a standard maneuver in these high profile cases. The DA is out to get Michael, he admitted it while gaining his 15 minutes of fame. Michael has his own life and lives it the way he thinks is best for him. If others see it that he is destroying himself, that is their impression. [/QUOTE]My impression is that this is a 40+ year old man whose 'face' is falling off, who has sleepovers with 12 year old boys, who was never smart enough to stop from being exploited by the people around him, who really does think he's Peter Pan, who spends millions of dollars on useless crap while still playing the 'saviour of the children' routine. The man travels with mannequins for christs sake! I'm not a Michael hater, I love his music, and have since i can remember. I even liked some of the stuff from his last album! All I'm saying is that it's a fine line between supporting an artist you love and ennabling his shit by willfully ingnoring his increasingly bizarre (and possibly horribly criminal) behaviour. That is one of the reasons he's in the state he is now. The man does not live in the reality that you and I do. [/QUOTE]yep... none of us for/against/indifferent have said that we wanna see Mike go down...

we're all sitting here discussing said 'fine line'... Mike is waaaay beyond bizarre now... he's extra terrestrial... and I hope to the Higher, that if I ever get crazy loot and superstardom and lose my mind... SOMEBODY, ANYBODY who knows and loves me, would deliver me the swift kick in the azz that I would deserve...

GROOVE VICTIM

11-20-2003, 03:25 PM

MOS DEF

Lyrics taken from "Mr. Nigga"

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You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?
OJ found innocent by a jury of his peers
They been fucking with that Nigga for last five years
Is it fair, is it equal, is it just, is it right?
Do they do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
If white boys doing it, well, it's success
When I start doing, well, it's suspect
Don't hate me, my folks is poor, I just got money
America's five centuries deep in cotton money
You see a lot of brothers caked up, yo straight up
It's new, Y'all living off of slave traders paper
But I'm a live though, yo I'm a live though
Putting up the big swing for my kids yo
Got my mom the fat water-front crib yo
I'm a get her them pretty bay windows
I'm a cop a nice home to provide in
A safe environment for seeds to reside in
A fresh whip for my whole family to ride in
And if I'm still Mr Nigga, I won't find it suprising

DLow

11-20-2003, 03:32 PM

This issue is a diversionary tactic.

If they REALLY had something on MJ, he'd be locked up. All this 'suspicion' of this, that, and the third is on some BS. We've known MJ was a weirdo for years...this ain't new.

It was estimated 60,000 people would be protesting GW Bush today in Britain. The gov't doesn't want us to see that.

%seRge%

11-20-2003, 03:35 PM

Interesting article:

411: Jacko Lawyer on Case for Months

Thursday, November 20, 2003

By Roger Friedman

Fox News

Jacko Case Older Than You Think | 'Fog' a Fave?

Jacko Lawyer: Working On Case For Months

Forget all these stories that Mark Geragos was hired to represent Michael Jackson just yesterday. Or the day before. Were we all born yesterday? Geragos has been on the case since last March.

That’s right. Jackson has known for most of the year, even if he didn’t want to acknowledge it, that trouble was brewing at Neverland. The child who is now the subject of this molestation allegation began to raise questions about their relationship late last winter. Jackson -- who is not completely out of touch with reality -- responded by bringing in an expert defender.

Jackson’s camp, I am told, is more than ready to do battle with his accuser and his family. I am told that the mother of the child involved will be held up to severe scrutiny. In fact, Jackson’s side will likely argue that when he tried to break off his involvement with helping the boy and his family financially, the mother became, and I am quoting a Jackson insider, “a scorned woman.”

“She’s very screwed up,” said one source. “There’s videotape of her acting weird, too. And Michael was very kind to her, even getting an apartment for her boyfriend.”

But the argument will be that when this woman, who is financially so dependent that she claimed to have lived in a barn, was told by Jackson’s people that the party was over, she ran to a lawyer to see what she could get out of it.

Remember, everyone in this country is guaranteed a defense, even if you don’t agree with it.

But as I wrote in this space yesterday, a lot of the evidence in the Jackson case will come down to videotape. There is lots of it, too, some of which may show the boy and his family singing the praises of Jackson, defending and explaining his odd lifestyle. If so, they will be hard-pressed to explain their own behavior now. For example: In one interview last winter, the mother of the boy told a reporter: "Michael has pet names for all of my children, and [one of them] even calls him Daddy. He is the father they never had." She said all her children were “hoping to spend a lot more time with him in the future."

The sudden change in Jackson’s schedule, by the way, throws a monkey wrench into his promotional plans for his new greatest hits album. Michael and his entourage were three days away from leaving for Paris and Berlin, where enthusiastic fans would have greeted him. Here in the U.S., the album has so far not made any of the early top 10 of the week lists at major retailers like Tower, Virgin or HMV.

And here’s one big P.S. for all you Jackson watchers: Steer clear of on-camera commentators who are hustling their own gig on Jacko’s back. I am talking about folks like Shmuley Boteach, Uri Geller and Brian Oxman, all of whom are quick to quip when the red light goes on, but know nothing about the case, Jackson or his alleged victim.

Bougie Soliterre

11-20-2003, 03:43 PM

I'm with Suzanne & andrea on this one.

This is a witchunt.

shannoneileen

11-20-2003, 04:08 PM

here we go again guys...
Top Stories - AP

Jackson Surrenders on Molestation Charges
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By JEFF WILSON, Associated Press Writer

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - A handcuffed Michael Jackson (news) walked into the Santa Barbara jail on Thursday to face child molestation charges that could destroy the pop superstar's career and send him to prison for years.

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A private jet carrying Jackson landed at the Santa Barbara airport shortly before noon and rolled its nose into the partly opened doors of a hangar. A caravan of cars left the hangar shortly afterward.

The 45-year-old King of Pop, his hands cuffed behind his back, entered the Santa Barbara County main jail shortly after noon, accompanied by defense attorney Mark Geragos, who said earlier he arranged the surrender.

Jackson left after posting bail, which was set at $3 million in a warrant. He waved to reporters, flashed a V-sign and climbed into a black Suburban that drove away with an escort of three sheriff's motorcycle officers.

"He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on," Geragos said said earlier outside the jail. "He is greatly outraged by the bringing of these charges. He considers this to be a big lie. He understands the people who are outraged, because if these charges were true, I assure you Michael would be the first to be outraged.

"I'm here to tell you today, Michael has given me the authority to say on his behalf these charges are categorically untrue. He looks forward to getting into a courtroom as opposed to any other forum and confronting these accusations head on."

Jermaine Jackson angrily defended his brother in an interview with CNN.

"The whole family supports Michael 100 percent, 1,000 percent. Michael is innocent," he said Thursday.

"My brother is not eccentric. We had an incredible, wonderful childhood," he said. "And what they're doing is bringing him down with the very thing that he loved. ... At the end of the day, this is nothing but a modern-day lynching."

Earlier Thursday, Geragos confirmed that the surrender was being arranged in Santa Barbara, where throngs of camera crews and news reporters awaited his arrival.

Jackson had left North Las Vegas Airport aboard a leased jet late Thursday morning heading for Santa Barbara Municipal Airport. The jet was said to be carrying Jackson, his family and a bodyguard.

Jackson had been in Las Vegas filming a music video when dozens of law enforcement agents swarmed his Neverland Ranch compound near Santa Barbara on Tuesday to serve a search warrant. Authorities announced Wednesday that an arrest warrant alleging child molestation had been issued. He had not been formally charged.

A family friend, Steve Manning, told ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday that Jackson's family came to Las Vegas to support him. "He feels he's been wrongly accused and he's going to fight this tooth and nail," Manning said. "He's at war right now and he's going to use any weapon he has to fight these charges."

Jackson is charged by the state with lewd or lascivious acts with a child under age 14, punishable by three to eight years in prison, law enforcement officials said. His attorney is also the defense attorney in the Laci Peterson (news - web sites) murder case.

"Get over here and get checked in," District Attorney Thomas W. Sneddon Jr. advised Jackson at a news conference broadcast worldwide Wednesday.

"Michael would never harm a child in any way," Jackson spokesman Stuart Backerman said in a statement. "These scurrilous and totally unfounded allegations will be proven false in a courtroom."

Similar allegations surfaced against Jackson a decade ago, but they never led to criminal charges and in 1994 the probe became inactive. Jackson had maintained his innocence but reportedly paid a multimillion-dollar civil settlement, and the child would not testify in any criminal proceeding.

Sneddon said this case was different because he had a cooperative victim and because of a change in state law "specifically because of the 1993-94 Michael Jackson investigation" that allows lawsuits related to criminal cases to be blocked.

Sneddon told the news conference multiple counts would be filed against Jackson "in a very short period of time," and noted that no civil case has been filed and none is expected, unlike 1993.

Sneddon would not say when or where the alleged crimes took place or how old the child was. He said an affidavit outlining the details will be sealed for 45 days.

But Brian Oxman, who has been an attorney for the Jackson family for years but is not directly representing Michael Jackson in this case, told CBS that the case involves the alleged molestation of a 12-year-old boy at Neverland Ranch, the storybook playground where the singer has been known to hold sleepover parties with children.

Sheriff's and district attorney's investigators on Tuesday raided the ranch and two other locations in Southern California in search of evidence.

Authorities did not identify the locations but the Santa Barbara News-Press reported Thursday that they were film and video-related businesses in suburban Santa Barbara and Beverly Hills. Citing county sources, the newspaper said investigators seized m many videotapes and photographs of Jackson with children.

In a documentary broadcast on ABC earlier this year, Jackson said he had slept in a bed with many children. "When you say `bed,' you're thinking sexual," he said in the interview. "It's not sexual, we're going to sleep. I tuck them in. ... It's very charming, it's very sweet."

Jackson, in a statement Tuesday, noted that the allegations surfaced the same day a new greatest hits CD, "Number Ones," was released, but the district attorney dismissed any connection.

"Like the sheriff and I are really into that kind of music," Sneddon said.

On Wednesday, CBS pulled a Jackson music special planned for next Wednesday on his greatest hits and the impact on pop culture of the former child star who got his start with his brothers as a member of the singing-and-dancing Jackson 5.

The singer had international hits with the albums "Thriller" (1982), "Bad" (1987) and "Dangerous" (1991), but saw his career begin to dim after the 1993 allegations.

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martin

11-21-2003, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by IIBS:
This man is an easy target. Not as easy a target as a 10 year old child.

Martin Red

11-21-2003, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by IIBS:
This man is an easy target. His fault not ours !

Martin Red

11-21-2003, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by martin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
This man is an easy target. Not as easy a target as a 10 year old child. [/QUOTE]True !

I don't understand why are people digging so hard to try and salvage this guy, Jackson is fucked - he was over before this claim - ! face it and deal with it, Jackson is being charged and it is possible he may found guilty.... he may not be found guilty, but he may want to pay someone again like U said, great system - if you may be found guilty just pay out the millions rather than proving your innocence......uuuuurrrrrmm DODGY !

So second time around....... charged again

I don't want to come on DHP to see pages of phycho babble about this fucked up false mad rich possible kiddy fiddler.

.
.
Talking about Paedphiles to M Jackson fans is the same as trying to explain dinosaur fossils to a fundamentalist Christian , trying and POINTLESS

[ November 21, 2003, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

Martin Red

11-21-2003, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
I'm with Suzanne & andrea on this one.
This is
a witchunt. Rich cunt more like

or which cunt, as in

which cunt fiddled with those kids..

[ November 21, 2003, 04:55 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]

11-21-2003, 05:03 AM

Can anyone say OJ times a million? This is gonna make the OJ case look like high school court. I really hope MJ is innocent.

mdpm99

11-21-2003, 06:00 AM

Now let's see......we have the Gropinator and Rush Limpbough (committed class a felony)running about while exempt from the law.......

ummmnnnnn.....

d

[ November 21, 2003, 06:29 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

Martin Red

11-21-2003, 08:33 AM

Since this post has been made to take a few slight detours by the wacko freekz, Madonna, Duran Duran :- come on people this is scraping the barrell, what has MJ on Paedo charges got to do with Madonna ......some form of silly distraction - SAD !

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The white women is darker BTW graemlins/snoopy.gif

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Skin Disease

http://www.dancingmonica.com/imagefile/michaeljacksonface.jpg
Don't stop till you get enough

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Shamon mother fucker!

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by SuzanneT:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by andrea:
scary to think that your life can be ruined and your kids taken away from you because of false accusations. They are sure building a case against MJ with a 12yr. old who is a cancer survivor. How can anyone not have sympathy for the supposed victim.

FREE MJ!!!Innocent until proven guilty, but I am sure he will not realize justice. I agree with you!
but how many pedophiles build hospices for children w/ cancer onto to their homes and invite sick children to stay there and perform for them too? I can only hope there wil be justice for all. [/QUOTE]I believe the term is 'grooming'.

Has anyone ever read the testimonial that Jordi Chandler gave? If true MJ should be rotting in a prison cell right now. I guess we'll never know on that one.

Let justice take its course...let's see the evidence...

If he's guilty I hope they put him away for a long time. Having sex with young kids is unacceptable on every level, regardless of MJ's background or upbringing.

If he's innocent that will be the end of it...he will probably come out of it with much affection and respect. I hope it's the latter...not for MJ...but for the kids who allege he abused them. I hope it didn't happen, for their sakes.

martin

11-21-2003, 09:36 AM

Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period.

11-21-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that!

andrea

11-21-2003, 10:42 AM

kev

11-21-2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by IIBS:
This man is an easy target. His fault not ours ! [/QUOTE]Very true!

DaveR

11-21-2003, 10:54 AM

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 11:00 AM

What domodisco said earlier.

domodisco

11-21-2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by andrea:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that! [/QUOTE]Michael has a problem with society and what may be odd to us, is not to him. [/QUOTE]Are you living on the same planet as Michael? His behaviour isn't 'odd', if the allegations are true, he's a criminal and he should be locked up this time. The man has a secret bedroom in his house with Peter Pan sheets and pictures of babies in diapers on the walls. Just because he sponsors children's charities doesn't mean he isn't a molester. John Wayne Gacy loved kids, and was a birthday party clown (i know, i know) but that didn't stop him from being a serial killer, either. I've seen some of his paintings, and a lot of them are of Disney characters...

MYOR

11-21-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by domodisco:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by andrea:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that! [/QUOTE]Michael has a problem with society and what may be odd to us, is not to him. [/QUOTE]Are you living on the same planet as Michael? His behaviour isn't 'odd', if the allegations are true, he's a criminal and he should be locked up this time. The man has a secret bedroom in his house with Peter Pan sheets and pictures of babies in diapers on the walls. Just because he sponsors children's charities doesn't mean he isn't a molester. John Wayne Gacy loved kids, and was a birthday party clown (i know, i know) but that didn't stop him from being a serial killer, either. I've seen some of his paintings, and a lot of them are of Disney characters... [/QUOTE]That doesn't mean he is a child molester either..

martin

11-21-2003, 11:18 AM

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
That doesn't mean he is a child molester either.. True, but (in the spirit of Chris Rock) it is a little "Child Molester-ISH"

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
That doesn't mean he is a child molester either.. True, but (in the spirit of Jamie Fox) it is a little "Child Molester-ISH" [/QUOTE]Edit - mixed up my comics

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 11:21 AM

Ever notice how...

...if you're a HETEROSEXUAL pedofile in Hollywood, you can get off scott-free and go on to win Oscars...

or

...if you're a HETEROSEXUAL female pedofile, you can run-off with your male students and marry them in Las Vegas, then get MINIMUM SECURITY sentence for a year...

...but don't be a HOMOSEXUAL pedofile...oh nooooo...we've gotta lock them up forever! Throw away the key! The tragedy!

:rolleyes:

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 11:22 AM

And another thing...

If none of you muthafukas ceased your groove and WALKED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CLUB when one of those old MJ classics or House remixes of his new shit came on, shut up.

MJ RAN OUT OF MONEY and he's been missing payments to the people to help him cover up his evils.

That's why he's in the news. So if you bought or bootleggeed and played some Michael Jackson in a DJ set, you helped keep him in cash so that he can continue to molest kids. Period. Move on.

MYOR

11-21-2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
That doesn't mean he is a child molester either.. True, but (in the spirit of Chris Rock) it is a little "Child Molester-ISH" [/QUOTE]Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented..

Brut by Faberge

11-21-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Ever notice how...

...if you're a HETEROSEXUAL pedofile in Hollywood, you can get off scott-free and go on to win Oscars...

or

...if you're a HETEROSEXUAL female pedofile, you can run-off with your male students and marry them in Las Vegas, then get MINIMUM SECURITY sentence for a year...

...but don't be a HOMOSEXUAL pedofile...oh nooooo...we've gotta lock them up forever! Throw away the key! The tragedy!

:rolleyes: THANK YOU! i have always thought this...and many people think that that is irrelivant and that homophobia plays no part in the way people view "pedophiles" versus "statutory rapists."

even the semantics linked with those two crimes is irksome to me.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
That doesn't mean he is a child molester either.. True, but (in the spirit of Chris Rock) it is a little "Child Molester-ISH" [/QUOTE]Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented.. [/QUOTE]you know what? that was a good point... gotta give ya that...

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented.. I don't know about "most molesters", so I can't comment.

I think what people are getting at here is if you promote yourself a certain way, know that you leave yourself open to potential backlash.

Take the MJ flames and passion out for a moment here, e.g:

You roll out of your house lookin like a ragamuffin, hat backwards, sunglasses, banging your music out of your car (like I do often) - even though you're not a punk, you sure look like one to everyone out there.

Understand what I'm getting at here ?

DR

mhd

11-21-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
That doesn't mean he is a child molester either.. True, but (in the spirit of Chris Rock) it is a little "Child Molester-ISH" [/QUOTE]Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented.. [/QUOTE]you know what? that was a good point... gotta give ya that... [/QUOTE]funny, i've known pedophiles and their victims professionally, but the only pedophiles i've known personally were priests and coaches

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
And another thing...

If none of you muthafukas ceased your groove and WALKED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CLUB when one of those old MJ classics or House remixes of his new shit came on, shut up.

MJ RAN OUT OF MONEY and he's been missing payments to the people to help him cover up his evils.

That's why he's in the news. So if you bought or bootleggeed and played some Michael Jackson in a DJ set, you helped keep him in cash so that he can continue to molest kids. Period. Move on. Hello Danny...
I was just wondering what you meant by missing payments to people to help him cover up his evils... please don't curse me... I'm sensitive:)

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:29 AM

(scared what THX might say)

Brut by Faberge

11-21-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
(scared what THX might say) i kick. i kick and i punch with my words...

i am trying to shut up today ;)

mhd

11-21-2003, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
(scared what THX might say) i kick. i kick and i punch with my words...

i am trying to shut up today ;) [/QUOTE]you know the dhp is full contact

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:

Understand what I'm getting at here ?
DR (Building on my quote above)

MJ appears not to have common sense and awareness (not surprising given his life is unlike anyone else's), but I ask this:

Of the people steadfast in defending MJ, saying that he was infatuated by children, but that doesn't make him a molester ---> Question for you ? - Do you question MJ (and where his head is) - I mean, the man was suspect before (and paid out $MM) - despite your support for him, do you ever say "MJ, what the F are you doing ?"

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
And another thing...

If none of you muthafukas ceased your groove and WALKED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CLUB when one of those old MJ classics or House remixes of his new shit came on, shut up.

MJ RAN OUT OF MONEY and he's been missing payments to the people to help him cover up his evils.

That's why he's in the news. So if you bought or bootleggeed and played some Michael Jackson in a DJ set, you helped keep him in cash so that he can continue to molest kids. Period. Move on. Hello Danny...
I was just wondering what you meant by missing payments to people to help him cover up his evils... please don't curse me... I'm sensitive:) [/QUOTE]Shannon - in the big case in 1994, when he called in Johnny Cochran, had to have his body parts identified, etc. THEY HAD HIM COLD! COLD! I spoke with the brother of one of the Prosecutor's assistants of that case and it was a done deal. MJ was baked.

Then he paid the family of the victim and his parents to stop cooperating with the police investigation.

No witness, no case.

It's been no secret that Michael Jackson is out of cash. Now, let's say he's carried on since then. Let's say he continued his attacks on children. Let's say that the evidence is, again, irrefutable.

Why does this new furor coincide with his current career and financial troubles, hm?

MYOR

11-21-2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented.. I don't know about "most molesters", so I can't comment.

I think what people are getting at here is if you promote yourself a certain way, know that you leave yourself open to potential backlash.

Take the MJ flames and passion out for a moment here, e.g:

You roll out of your house lookin like a ragamuffin, hat backwards, sunglasses, banging your music out of your car (like I do often) - even though you're not a punk, you sure look like one to everyone out there.

Understand what I'm getting at here ?

DR [/QUOTE]Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters...

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented.. I don't know about "most molesters", so I can't comment.

I think what people are getting at here is if you promote yourself a certain way, know that you leave yourself open to potential backlash.

Take the MJ flames and passion out for a moment here, e.g:

You roll out of your house lookin like a ragamuffin, hat backwards, sunglasses, banging your music out of your car (like I do often) - even though you're not a punk, you sure look like one to everyone out there.

Understand what I'm getting at here ?

DR [/QUOTE]Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters... [/QUOTE]The evidence was undeniable back in the big case. MJ wrote a big check. MJ gets to molest again.

Not to mention, if my parents sent me to an adult male's house to play with him as if he was a peer and allowed me to sleep in the bed with him, I'm going to be scarred for life behind that shit alone!

The parents of each child who is a victim POST 1994 should be charged with child endangerment for delivering their charges into the mouth of danger.

[ November 21, 2003, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters... Again, I don't know what is in the mind of a molester (and frankly I'm glad) - but we can give all kinds of examples of overt and covert criminals, and what we should and should not expect.

You read my post above about going out of the house like a ragamuffin ? ... well, that's on social time - I certainly don't roll into work, to an interview, or to court to dispute a speeding ticket dressed like that - b/c I know better.

I think all I'm saying here, is by MJ continuing and promoting his infatuation for childeren, even after the crap he went through in the 90s, is just plain irresponsible.

DR

DJ76

11-21-2003, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that! [/QUOTE]Yes.

But... and you know what I'm gonna say. "innocent til proven guilty".

The story ends right there.

Take a moment and imagine what it is to be "on the other side". It is VERY easy to take someone and lynch him publicly, make CNN top stories all day long (that shit is sick too! people druling over stories involving celebrities getting caught...), make accusations left and right and YET, what is there so far? SUSPICION? Where is the indictment? Where is the trial, where is the evidence and where is the judgment? NO WHERE.

U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?

As for the criteria he should be judged on, the fact that he is on a different planet doesn't mean that the rest of the world should understand him. The law is clear, he COULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT that what he was doing was legal (assuming that he did molest the child). It is a rule of common law that you cannot simply ignore the law and say "well, I didn't know".

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
And another thing...

If none of you muthafukas ceased your groove and WALKED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CLUB when one of those old MJ classics or House remixes of his new shit came on, shut up.

MJ RAN OUT OF MONEY and he's been missing payments to the people to help him cover up his evils.

That's why he's in the news. So if you bought or bootleggeed and played some Michael Jackson in a DJ set, you helped keep him in cash so that he can continue to molest kids. Period. Move on. Hello Danny...
I was just wondering what you meant by missing payments to people to help him cover up his evils... please don't curse me... I'm sensitive:) [/QUOTE]Shannon - in the big case in 1994, when he called in Johnny Cochran, had to have his body parts identified, etc. THEY HAD HIM COLD! COLD! I spoke with the brother of one of the Prosecutor's assistants of that case and it was a done deal. MJ was baked.

Then he paid the family of the victim and his parents to stop cooperating with the police investigation.

No witness, no case.

It's been no secret that Michael Jackson is out of cash. Now, let's say he's carried on since then. Let's say he continued his attacks on children. Let's say that the evidence is, again, irrefutable.

Why does this new furor coincide with his current career and financial troubles, hm? [/QUOTE]If he's out of money, then he cannot very well pay off this family... which is what the family would want, correct? If in fact this is a scheme to make money... I think... I'm sorta confused...

I believe that they said that no civil suit will be filed and that the child is co-operating...

Is this the same child that was in the Mike special? The kid with cancer? I think that I read, after the fact, that he was being teased in school... they we're calling him Mike's b$tch...
the dad said that he told the mom to stop letting his kid sleep over Mike's house...

DaveR

11-21-2003, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:

The parents of each child who is a victim POST 1994 should be charged with child endangerment for delivering their charges into the mouth of danger. graemlins/acclaim.gif

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 11:50 AM

How many of you would be happy to have your 12 year old child/brother/cousin sleep in the same bed as a 45 year old man?

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation.

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:

The parents of each child who is a victim POST 1994 should be charged with child endangerment for delivering their charges into the mouth of danger. graemlins/acclaim.gif [/QUOTE]Quite agree.

MYOR

11-21-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters... Again, I don't know what is in the mind of a molester (and frankly I'm glad) - but we can give all kinds of examples of overt and covert criminals, and what we should and should not expect.

You read my post above about going out of the house like a ragamuffin ? ... well, that's on social time - I certainly don't roll into work, to an interview, or to court to dispute a speeding ticket dressed like that - b/c I know better.

I think all I'm saying here, is by MJ continuing and promoting his infatuation for childeren, even after the crap he went through in the 90s, is just plain irresponsible.

DR [/QUOTE]That is TRUE.. He does NEED a SWIFT KICK IN THE ASS..

The same way the parents that send their kids there ALSO..

Hmm let me see I think MJ is a child molester.. HEY JUNIOR WANNA GO SLEEP OVER MJ HOUSE..

DJ76

11-21-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
And another thing...

If none of you muthafukas ceased your groove and WALKED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CLUB when one of those old MJ classics or House remixes of his new shit came on, shut up.

MJ RAN OUT OF MONEY and he's been missing payments to the people to help him cover up his evils.

That's why he's in the news. So if you bought or bootleggeed and played some Michael Jackson in a DJ set, you helped keep him in cash so that he can continue to molest kids. Period. Move on. Hello Danny...
I was just wondering what you meant by missing payments to people to help him cover up his evils... please don't curse me... I'm sensitive:) [/QUOTE]Shannon - in the big case in 1994, when he called in Johnny Cochran, had to have his body parts identified, etc. THEY HAD HIM COLD! COLD! I spoke with the brother of one of the Prosecutor's assistants of that case and it was a done deal. MJ was baked.

Then he paid the family of the victim and his parents to stop cooperating with the police investigation.

No witness, no case.

It's been no secret that Michael Jackson is out of cash. Now, let's say he's carried on since then. Let's say he continued his attacks on children. Let's say that the evidence is, again, irrefutable.

Why does this new furor coincide with his current career and financial troubles, hm? [/QUOTE]Thanks Danny, this is what I was looking for. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Jolyon

11-21-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that! [/QUOTE]Yes.

But... and you know what I'm gonna say. "innocent til proven guilty".

The story ends right there.

Take a moment and imagine what it is to be "on the other side". It is VERY easy to take someone and lynch him publicly, make CNN top stories all day long (that shit is sick too! people druling over stories involving celebrities getting caught...), make accusations left and right and YET, what is there so far? SUSPICION? Where is the indictment? Where is the trial, where is the evidence and where is the judgment? NO WHERE.

U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?

As for the criteria he should be judged on, the fact that he is on a different planet doesn't mean that the rest of the world should understand him. The law is clear, he COULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT that what he was doing was legal (assuming that he did molest the child). It is a rule of common law that you cannot simply ignore the law and say "well, I didn't know". [/QUOTE]You can read the Jordi Chandler testimonial on Shootgun.com...it's grim reading.

MJ paid JC 12 million dollars I believe.

MYOR

11-21-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious..

DJ76

11-21-2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]haha, you were faster than I was.... cool cool.

They AGREED TO STOP COOPERATING WITH THE INVESTIGATION? WHAAAAAAAAAT? Your child has been molested and you're gonna give in to money? graemlins/cussing.gif

DJ76

11-21-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Jolyon:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that! [/QUOTE]Yes.

But... and you know what I'm gonna say. "innocent til proven guilty".

The story ends right there.

Take a moment and imagine what it is to be "on the other side". It is VERY easy to take someone and lynch him publicly, make CNN top stories all day long (that shit is sick too! people druling over stories involving celebrities getting caught...), make accusations left and right and YET, what is there so far? SUSPICION? Where is the indictment? Where is the trial, where is the evidence and where is the judgment? NO WHERE.

U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?

As for the criteria he should be judged on, the fact that he is on a different planet doesn't mean that the rest of the world should understand him. The law is clear, he COULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT that what he was doing was legal (assuming that he did molest the child). It is a rule of common law that you cannot simply ignore the law and say "well, I didn't know". [/QUOTE]You can read the Jordi Chandler testimonial on Shootgun.com...it's grim reading.

MJ paid JC 12 million dollars I believe. [/QUOTE]the website doesn't exist.... you're sure about the address? Thanks in advance.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters... Again, I don't know what is in the mind of a molester (and frankly I'm glad) - but we can give all kinds of examples of overt and covert criminals, and what we should and should not expect.

You read my post above about going out of the house like a ragamuffin ? ... well, that's on social time - I certainly don't roll into work, to an interview, or to court to dispute a speeding ticket dressed like that - b/c I know better.

I think all I'm saying here, is by MJ continuing and promoting his infatuation for childeren, even after the crap he went through in the 90s, is just plain irresponsible.

DR [/QUOTE]irresponsible is right... his back should have been covered... ok, a grown azz man, living in a world of his own design, wants to have slummber parties with a whole bunch of little boys... ok... at least make sure that cameras tape your every move... a third uninvolved party chapparones... or something to insure that no one would bring child molestation charges against you... AGAIN...

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION!

Brut by Faberge

11-21-2003, 11:57 AM

he's going to have to throw one helluva Yard Sale.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters... Again, I don't know what is in the mind of a molester (and frankly I'm glad) - but we can give all kinds of examples of overt and covert criminals, and what we should and should not expect.

You read my post above about going out of the house like a ragamuffin ? ... well, that's on social time - I certainly don't roll into work, to an interview, or to court to dispute a speeding ticket dressed like that - b/c I know better.

I think all I'm saying here, is by MJ continuing and promoting his infatuation for childeren, even after the crap he went through in the 90s, is just plain irresponsible.

DR [/QUOTE]That is TRUE.. He does NEED a SWIFT KICK IN THE ASS..

The same way the parents that send their kids there ALSO..

Hmm let me see I think MJ is a child molester.. HEY JUNIOR WANNA GO SLEEP OVER MJ HOUSE.. [/QUOTE]LMAO!!! graemlins/grinyes.gif

Brut by Faberge

11-21-2003, 12:00 PM

the testimony is at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/

try not to graemlins/puke.gif

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jolyon:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by U:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by martin:
Whether he's guilty or not imo he has still acted wholly inappropriately. He has openly admitted that he shares his bed with children: this is not appropriate behaviour for a man in his 40s, period. AMEN to that! [/QUOTE]Yes.

But... and you know what I'm gonna say. "innocent til proven guilty".

The story ends right there.

Take a moment and imagine what it is to be "on the other side". It is VERY easy to take someone and lynch him publicly, make CNN top stories all day long (that shit is sick too! people druling over stories involving celebrities getting caught...), make accusations left and right and YET, what is there so far? SUSPICION? Where is the indictment? Where is the trial, where is the evidence and where is the judgment? NO WHERE.

U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?

As for the criteria he should be judged on, the fact that he is on a different planet doesn't mean that the rest of the world should understand him. The law is clear, he COULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT that what he was doing was legal (assuming that he did molest the child). It is a rule of common law that you cannot simply ignore the law and say "well, I didn't know". [/QUOTE]You can read the Jordi Chandler testimonial on Shootgun.com...it's grim reading.

MJ paid JC 12 million dollars I believe. [/QUOTE]the website doesn't exist.... you're sure about the address? Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]would that be The Smoking Gun?

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
he's going to have to throw one helluva Yard Sale. LMAO
sorry ya'll... did you see that special when he went to the mall and bought all of that stuff?

'yoooo hoooo.... i'll take this, this, and this...
yooooo hoooo'

ok... sorry you guys! :D

andrea

11-21-2003, 12:07 PM

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
the testimony is at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/

try not to graemlins/puke.gif merci beaucoup.

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:10 PM

Just think of all the children that no one is aware of. Those who had no voice louder than the big rich superstar.

Think of the PARENTS of those children who, in all their HOLLYWOOD MATRICULATION FANTASIES, sent their children to endure the worst horror imaginable, THE VIOLATION OF A CHILD'S VULNERABILITY, just to be a part of the celebrity scene.

Think of all the potential future victims of these victims.

R Kelly, Roman Polanski, William Randolph Hearst, Woody Allen, Phil Spector...just think about it...

Brenda

11-21-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
Is it?.. Most molesters you wouldn't even have a clue... Like the priest or that very nice football coach who goes to church every sunday and is so family oriented.. I don't know about "most molesters", so I can't comment.

I think what people are getting at here is if you promote yourself a certain way, know that you leave yourself open to potential backlash.

Take the MJ flames and passion out for a moment here, e.g:

You roll out of your house lookin like a ragamuffin, hat backwards, sunglasses, banging your music out of your car (like I do often) - even though you're not a punk, you sure look like one to everyone out there.

Understand what I'm getting at here ?

DR [/QUOTE]Don't you think.. the last thing a child molester would want to do is say look at me I'm a child molester let me do all this wierd shyt so you can catch on to me..

I have a co-worker that told me how she use to yell at her husband b/c the family across the street did everything together.. The example of a perfect family... Turned out he was raping all three of his daughters... [/QUOTE]The evidence was undeniable back in the big case. MJ wrote a big check. MJ gets to molest again.

Not to mention, if my parents sent me to an adult male's house to play with him as if he was a peer and allowed me to sleep in the bed with him, I'm going to be scarred for life behind that shit alone!

The parents of each child who is a victim POST 1994 should be charged with child endangerment for delivering their charges into the mouth of danger. [/QUOTE]Werd Up....

MYOR

11-21-2003, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION! [/QUOTE]Only one kid, isn't that suspect... you would think more would come foward with so many kids that have been there.. And as a childs parent would you actually just settle for money if you KNEW for SURE that your child was molested

No doubt he should have changed but he doesn't see anything wrong. IMO, I think MJ is trying to recover a lost childhood.

mhd

11-21-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Just think of all the children that no one is aware of. Those who had no voice louder than the big rich superstar.

Think of the PARENTS of those children who, in all their HOLLYWOOD MATRICULATION FANTASIES, sent their children to endure the worst horror imaginable, THE VIOLATION OF A CHILD'S VULNERABILITY, just to be a part of the celebrity scene.

Think of all the potential future victims of these victims.

R Kelly, Roman Polanski, William Randolph Hearst, Woody Allen, Phil Spector...just think about it... that really is the worst part about child molesters is that they invaribly create more child molesters or sometimes something even worse

DaveR

11-21-2003, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.
This is sad, but so true - yeah, this is a free country, but sometimes you gotta just pick your battles.

Some people don't know it ... e.g. club closing time, the cops are coming around saying "get off the streets, go home" ... I'm not one of those talking about "I know my rights, I can stand here, this is a free country" ... Why ? ... cause I don't want a nightstick up my ass ... graemlins/rofl5.gif

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
the testimony is at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/

try not to graemlins/puke.gif merci beaucoup. [/QUOTE]I almost puked.

NOW, 1 question and 1 observation

QUESTION - what's the story with the mother? Travelling all the time with MJ and her kid? Where they friends too? Why did she let her son sleep with MJ in the same bed?

OBSERVATION - it is sad that there was no trial to reveal the truth. I'm reading this Witness Statement and I have read MANY of them. The Prosecutor writes this and the witness signs it at the end, saying it is in conformity with his story. But most of the time, the Prosecutor omits certain parts of the story to make it sound the way he likes. That's why trials are important. Sure, Prosecutor is part of public security service, but he has a mandate and his own agenda... I know my position is not popular, but working in Defence makes me see things I'd never thought existed ;)

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:19 PM

mhd

11-21-2003, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
the testimony is at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/

try not to graemlins/puke.gif merci beaucoup. [/QUOTE]I almost puked.

NOW, 1 question and 1 observation

QUESTION - what's the story with the mother? Travelling all the time with MJ and her kid? Where they friends too? Why did she let her son sleep with MJ in the same bed?

OBSERVATION - it is sad that there was no trial to reveal the truth. I'm reading this Witness Statement and I have read MANY of them. The Prosecutor writes this and the witness signs it at the end, saying it is in conformity with his story. But most of the time, the Prosecutor omits certain parts of the story to make it sound the way he likes. That's why trials are important. Sure, Prosecutor is part of public security service, but he has a mandate and his own agenda... I know my position is not popular, but working in Defence makes me see things I'd never thought existed ;) [/QUOTE]guess what, sometimes they lie, and swear to it, imagine that

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
the testimony is at http://www.thesmokinggun.com/

try not to graemlins/puke.gif merci beaucoup. [/QUOTE]I almost puked.

NOW, 1 question and 1 observation

QUESTION - what's the story with the mother? Travelling all the time with MJ and her kid? Where they friends too? Why did she let her son sleep with MJ in the same bed?

OBSERVATION - it is sad that there was no trial to reveal the truth. I'm reading this Witness Statement and I have read MANY of them. The Prosecutor writes this and the witness signs it at the end, saying it is in conformity with his story. But most of the time, the Prosecutor omits certain parts of the story to make it sound the way he likes. That's why trials are important. Sure, Prosecutor is part of public security service, but he has a mandate and his own agenda... I know my position is not popular, but working in Defence makes me see things I'd never thought existed ;) [/QUOTE]guess what, sometimes they lie, and swear to it, imagine that [/QUOTE]Imagine that!

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:23 PM

In this society, children can't provide for and protect themselves. Adults have to do it.

That muthafuka's music wasn't that good for me to look past TWO molestation arrests.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.
This is sad, but so true - yeah, this is a free country, but sometimes you gotta just pick your battles.

Some people don't know it ... e.g. club closing time, the cops are coming around saying "get off the streets, go home" ... I'm not one of those talking about "I know my rights, I can stand here, this is a free country" ... Why ? ... cause I don't want a nightstick up my ass ... graemlins/rofl5.gif [/QUOTE]You know? This statement is true with (some)feminists, too... (in NO WAY hatin on feminism) I read an article where some college girls felt that they had the RIGHT to run around butt azz nekkid at a frat party... and not be touched because no means no... yes, no means no but??? ... what ARE they thinking???!!!???
how crazy is that???

DaveR

11-21-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
That muthafuka's music wasn't that good for me to look past TWO molestation arrests. Danny, why you going "Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs" on us here ... we were having such a nice discussion

http://www.toysrgus.com/images-food/cocoa-puffs-card.jpg

DR

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
That muthafuka's music wasn't that good for me to look past TWO molestation arrests. Danny, why you going "Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs" on us here ... we were having such a nice discussion

http://www.toysrgus.com/images-food/cocoa-puffs-card.jpg

DR [/QUOTE]A nice discussion about the pedofiles who entertain us, hm?

Whatever. Some shit isn't meant for light discussion. The destruction of children is one of them.

DaveR

11-21-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
A nice discussion about the pedofiles who entertain us, hm?

Whatever. Some shit isn't meant for light discussion. The destruction of children is one of them. I hear ya - just gettin in some humor dawg graemlins/cheering.gif

uzibee

11-21-2003, 12:32 PM

I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me.

[ November 21, 2003, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: uzibee ]

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
A nice discussion about the pedofiles who entertain us, hm?

Whatever. Some shit isn't meant for light discussion. The destruction of children is one of them. I hear ya - just gettin in some humor dawg graemlins/cheering.gif [/QUOTE]Sorry - I can't find where there's room for humor in the subject.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:34 PM

oh man... I just read the document... graemlins/mecry.gif

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. That's what I was thinking. MJ went himself to Rent a Wreck? How did he meet these people? How come the kid's dad is calling him to say "come see Michael Jackson", then the mother travels with them and lets his son sleep with the child?

Anyways, we can go on like this for days. Having a trial would at least have a public record of events, etc... And even then, the truth isn't always out.

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. just throwing this in there...
if he is telling his story from a child's perspective... he can't say for certain when his step father actually met Mike... he can only state the place and time he, himself was introduced... graemlins/conf44.gif

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. just throwing this in there...
if he is telling his story from a child's perspective... he can't say for certain when his step father actually met Mike... he can only state the place and time he, himself was introduced... graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]the thing that got me was physical contact... do kids say 'physical contact'?

DaveR

11-21-2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Sorry - I can't find where there's room for humor in the subject. OK OK, I said you're right - BAD DaveR http://deephousepage.com/smilies/slap.gif

The humor is graemlins/bolt.gif for good smile.gif

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:42 PM

I walked into a store today and they were playing "Rock with you". Felt weird.

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. just throwing this in there...
if he is telling his story from a child's perspective... he can't say for certain when his step father actually met Mike... he can only state the place and time he, himself was introduced... graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]the thing that got me was physical contact... do kids say 'physical contact'? [/QUOTE]No, like I said earlier, the Prosecutor drafts the witness statement, the witness reads it and signs at the end.

MYOR

11-21-2003, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION! [/QUOTE]Only one kid, isn't that suspect... you would think more would come foward with so many kids that have been there.. And as a childs parent would you actually just settle for money if you KNEW for SURE that your child was molested

No doubt he should have changed but he doesn't see anything wrong. IMO, I think MJ is trying to recover a lost childhood. [/QUOTE]Gee MYOR...how many kids have to be molested for his behavior to seem "suspect"?

No one is coming forward because they've either been PAID OFF or FRIGHTENED OFF. See, I know MJ seems harmless, but he employs LAWYERS and PR people to do his dirty work.

How about some inclusive thinking, hm? [/QUOTE]Don't FVCK with me Danny.. I'm the first to say cut his DICK off if its true.. But I'm just seeing thing that at least to me DON'T add up.. You dont have to agree. BUT don't come off with your I'm smarter than you attitude and I must be right. You just can't think ONLY I CAN. You can't have a conversation without it getting personal can you... GROW UP!!!

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. That's what I was thinking. MJ went himself to Rent a Wreck? How did he meet these people? How come the kid's dad is calling him to say "come see Michael Jackson", then the mother travels with them and lets his son sleep with the child?

Anyways, we can go on like this for days. Having a trial would at least have a public record of events, etc... And even then, the truth isn't always out. [/QUOTE]Yep...and since MJ PAID TWELVE MILLION to keep the truth HIDDEN...I guess we'll NEVER KNOW.

And, for once, I can't say that he, as a pseudo-black man, should have been aggressive with the law.

5 million to the attorney that got OJ off would've been enough to expose the conspiracy against him. Mike overpaid to shut people up.

Who can't see the intent here?

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION! [/QUOTE]Only one kid, isn't that suspect... you would think more would come foward with so many kids that have been there.. And as a childs parent would you actually just settle for money if you KNEW for SURE that your child was molested

No doubt he should have changed but he doesn't see anything wrong. IMO, I think MJ is trying to recover a lost childhood. [/QUOTE]Gee MYOR...how many kids have to be molested for his behavior to seem "suspect"?

No one is coming forward because they've either been PAID OFF or FRIGHTENED OFF. See, I know MJ seems harmless, but he employs LAWYERS and PR people to do his dirty work.

How about some inclusive thinking, hm? [/QUOTE]Don't FVCK with me Danny.. I'm the first to say cut his DICK off if its true.. But I'm just seeing thing that at least to me DON'T add up.. You dont have to agree. BUT don't come off with your I'm smarter than you attitude and I must be right. You just can't think ONLY I CAN. You can't have a conversation without it getting personal can you... GROW UP!!! [/QUOTE]Whatever - ANY MAN on the DHP posts a picture of a woman wearing a bikini and YOU ACCUSE HIM OF MYSOGNY...but you want to reserve judgement for a pedofile on the grounds of open-mindedness.

You're a hypocrite.

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION! [/QUOTE]Only one kid, isn't that suspect... you would think more would come foward with so many kids that have been there.. And as a childs parent would you actually just settle for money if you KNEW for SURE that your child was molested

No doubt he should have changed but he doesn't see anything wrong. IMO, I think MJ is trying to recover a lost childhood. [/QUOTE]Gee MYOR...how many kids have to be molested for his behavior to seem "suspect"?

No one is coming forward because they've either been PAID OFF or FRIGHTENED OFF. See, I know MJ seems harmless, but he employs LAWYERS and PR people to do his dirty work.

How about some inclusive thinking, hm? [/QUOTE]Don't FVCK with me Danny.. I'm the first to say cut his DICK off if its true.. But I'm just seeing thing that at least to me DON'T add up.. You dont have to agree. BUT don't come off with your I'm smarter than you attitude and I must be right. You just can't think ONLY I CAN. You can't have a conversation without it getting personal can you... GROW UP!!! [/QUOTE]hey Danny, you got the girl mad.
graemlins/bolt.gif

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Whatever - ANY MAN on the DHP posts a picture of a woman wearing a bikini and YOU ACCUSE HIM OF MYSOGNY...but you want to reserve judgement for a pedofile on the grounds of open-mindedness.

You're a hypocrite. You just can't win! graemlins/all_coholic.gif

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. just throwing this in there...
if he is telling his story from a child's perspective... he can't say for certain when his step father actually met Mike... he can only state the place and time he, himself was introduced... graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]the thing that got me was physical contact... do kids say 'physical contact'? [/QUOTE]No, like I said earlier, the Prosecutor drafts the witness statement, the witness reads it and signs at the end. [/QUOTE]oh... i get it... thanks...
by the statement... that step father seemed like an oportunistic mofo... mom and big sis just going along for the ride... d$mn shame...

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by uzibee:
I have a few quetions about this document:

He met Michael Jackson in a restaurant? Since when Michael Jackson eats meal in public places?

Michael Jackson was waiting inside a Rent a wreck using THEIR phone to call this kid?

Their was no mob outside? His cell phone was down?

This is making no sense to me. just throwing this in there...
if he is telling his story from a child's perspective... he can't say for certain when his step father actually met Mike... he can only state the place and time he, himself was introduced... graemlins/conf44.gif [/QUOTE]the thing that got me was physical contact... do kids say 'physical contact'? [/QUOTE]No, like I said earlier, the Prosecutor drafts the witness statement, the witness reads it and signs at the end. [/QUOTE]oh... i get it... thanks...
by the statement... that step father seemed like an oportunistic mofo... mom and big sis just going along for the ride... d$mn shame... [/QUOTE]good observation

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Just think of all the children that no one is aware of. Those who had no voice louder than the big rich superstar.

Think of the PARENTS of those children who, in all their HOLLYWOOD MATRICULATION FANTASIES, sent their children to endure the worst horror imaginable, THE VIOLATION OF A CHILD'S VULNERABILITY, just to be a part of the celebrity scene.

Think of all the potential future victims of these victims.

R Kelly, Roman Polanski, William Randolph Hearst, Woody Allen, Phil Spector...just think about it... that really is the worst part about child molesters is that they invaribly create more child molesters or sometimes something even worse [/QUOTE]i totally agree... abusers create abusers... unless the person is strong enough to break the cycle... and that takes a lot of guts...

DJ76

11-21-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
Don't FVCK with me Danny.. Reminds me of that scene in Scarface: Tony, don't fvck with me Tony graemlins/rofl.gif

Take it easy kids, I'm out for the week-end.
peace
.76.

dj c-los

11-21-2003, 01:04 PM

Did anyone one catch Bill O-Rilley last night?
Man, he was taking jabs at Mike and, to sum it up, said Mike has a problem if he's chillin with kids.
He's not concluding he's innocent or guilty but if you're over 40 years old and you're having sleepovers with teens...that looks odd.

Where are the parents of these kids when it comes to sleep overs?

[ November 21, 2003, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: clos7 ]

MYOR

11-21-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION! [/QUOTE]Only one kid, isn't that suspect... you would think more would come foward with so many kids that have been there.. And as a childs parent would you actually just settle for money if you KNEW for SURE that your child was molested

No doubt he should have changed but he doesn't see anything wrong. IMO, I think MJ is trying to recover a lost childhood. [/QUOTE]Gee MYOR...how many kids have to be molested for his behavior to seem "suspect"?

No one is coming forward because they've either been PAID OFF or FRIGHTENED OFF. See, I know MJ seems harmless, but he employs LAWYERS and PR people to do his dirty work.

How about some inclusive thinking, hm? [/QUOTE]Don't FVCK with me Danny.. I'm the first to say cut his DICK off if its true.. But I'm just seeing thing that at least to me DON'T add up.. You dont have to agree. BUT don't come off with your I'm smarter than you attitude and I must be right. You just can't think ONLY I CAN. You can't have a conversation without it getting personal can you... GROW UP!!! [/QUOTE]Whatever - ANY MAN on the DHP posts a picture of a woman wearing a bikini and YOU ACCUSE HIM OF MYSOGNY...but you want to reserve judgement for a pedofile on the grounds of open-mindedness.

You're a hypocrite. [/QUOTE]I had a problemm with pictures being posted.. Really.. icon_rofl.gif I had a problem with a board member being called a slut... b/c of a post.. GET IT RIGHT!!

And that is right I am open-minded cuz I don't have all the facts.. And please why don't you read more closely to what I write re: rapist and pedifiles..

If you can't debate without trying to belittle people don't do it. It makes you look like an a$$. I think I've said this many times BOLD/DANNY. When you are challenged you go into attack mode.. You really need to check yourself..

[ November 21, 2003, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: MYOR ]

corwin

11-21-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
Did anyone one catch Bill O-Rilley last night?
Man, he was taking jabs at Mike and, to sum it up, said Mike has a problem if he's chillin with kids.
He's not concluding he's innocent or guilty but if you're over 40 years old and you're having sleepovers with teens...that looks odd.

Where are the parents of these kids when it comes to sleep overs? graemlins/sleep2.gif

You've chimed in on an intelligent discussion with a goddamn Bill O'Reilly POV.

Please.

dj c-los

11-21-2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by corwin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by clos7:
Did anyone one catch Bill O-Rilley last night?
Man, he was taking jabs at Mike and, to sum it up, said Mike has a problem if he's chillin with kids.
He's not concluding he's innocent or guilty but if you're over 40 years old and you're having sleepovers with teens...that looks odd.

Where are the parents of these kids when it comes to sleep overs? graemlins/sleep2.gif

You've chimed in on an intelligent discussion with a goddamn Bill O'Reilly POV.

Please. [/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif

POV are the key words here. Thanks man for keepin it clean.

Bold Soul

11-21-2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ76:
U... said that he has "bought" the families in the other cases. I'd like to have more details about this. I remember this was in the news back then, but what did he REALLY do? Did he pay money to shut them up?MJ paid a settlement to the family of the complainant and in return, they agreed to stop cooperating with the investigation. [/QUOTE]Danny quick questions.. how many families where there??? Just curious.. [/QUOTE]I'm only hip to the one big case back when he had to have body parts identified, Johnny Cochran had the afro, etc., etc.

Thing is, MJ's behavior patterns in that case ARE IDENTICAL to his regular routine with children since that event and leading up to this current case.

He's still running the same plays! He's even gone on international television and defended it!

Shit - I got picked up by the cops once when I was a kid for being in the "wrong" neighborhood. Even though I was innocent, I STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I haven't been back there as an adult.

If MJ's behavior pattern with that first kid that got all the attention led to him being ruined WOULDN'T HE CHANGE IT?

All of this shows COMPULSION! [/QUOTE]Only one kid, isn't that suspect... you would think more would come foward with so many kids that have been there.. And as a childs parent would you actually just settle for money if you KNEW for SURE that your child was molested

No doubt he should have changed but he doesn't see anything wrong. IMO, I think MJ is trying to recover a lost childhood. [/QUOTE]Gee MYOR...how many kids have to be molested for his behavior to seem "suspect"?

No one is coming forward because they've either been PAID OFF or FRIGHTENED OFF. See, I know MJ seems harmless, but he employs LAWYERS and PR people to do his dirty work.

How about some inclusive thinking, hm? [/QUOTE]Don't FVCK with me Danny.. I'm the first to say cut his DICK off if its true.. But I'm just seeing thing that at least to me DON'T add up.. You dont have to agree. BUT don't come off with your I'm smarter than you attitude and I must be right. You just can't think ONLY I CAN. You can't have a conversation without it getting personal can you... GROW UP!!! [/QUOTE]Whatever - ANY MAN on the DHP posts a picture of a woman wearing a bikini and YOU ACCUSE HIM OF MYSOGNY...but you want to reserve judgement for a pedofile on the grounds of open-mindedness.

You're a hypocrite. [/QUOTE]I had a problemm with pictures being posted.. Really.. icon_rofl.gif I had a problem with a board member being called a slut... b/c of a post.. GET IT RIGHT!!

And that is right I am open-minded cuz I don't have all the facts.. And please why don't you read more closely to what I write re: rapist and pedifiles..

If you can't debate without trying to belittle people don't do it. It makes you look like an a$$. I think I've said this many times BOLD/DANNY. When you are challenged you go into attack mode.. You really need to check yourself.. [/QUOTE]That's where you're wrong HONEY, BABY, SWEETHEART, GUN-TOTIN' MAMA...

I'm ALWAYS in attack mode. Bwahahahahahahaha!

oh - BTW - I only attack HOLLOW ARGUEMENTS.

[ November 21, 2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

corwin

11-21-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by clos7:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by corwin:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by clos7:
Did anyone one catch Bill O-Rilley last night?
Man, he was taking jabs at Mike and, to sum it up, said Mike has a problem if he's chillin with kids.
He's not concluding he's innocent or guilty but if you're over 40 years old and you're having sleepovers with teens...that looks odd.

Where are the parents of these kids when it comes to sleep overs? graemlins/sleep2.gif

You've chimed in on an intelligent discussion with a goddamn Bill O'Reilly POV.

Please. [/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif

POV are the key words here. Thanks man for keepin it clean. [/QUOTE]You are very welcomed, brotherman.

Abstract thought is good thing.

Keep on swimming against that current. ;)

MYOR

11-21-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
That's where you're wrong HONEY, BABY, SWEETHEART, GUN-TOTIN' MAMA...

I'm ALWAYS in attack mode. Bwahahahahahahaha!

oh - BTW - I only attack HOLLOW ARGUEMENTS. Really how is my observation hollow..

1.MJ-only paid off 1 family...
2.He has who know how many kids going thru his ranch.
3.The parents accept money when he abused their child..(Yeah money is enough).
4.There has been no more reported allegations of people coming fwd.. yes he might have lawyer that takes care of things and pays people NOT make charges.. but won't you still get more money if you make it public. Obviously,at least to me, it was money you were after if you accepted this and let the person who molested your child roam free.

I don't know if MJ is innocent or guilty.. BUT you bet you bottom dollar that if my child was molested.. there would be NO AMOUNT that will STOP me from 1)Killing the bastard or 2) See his ass rot in jail..

imported_Gman

11-21-2003, 01:46 PM

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DaveR

11-21-2003, 01:54 PM

(OK, so if I may attempt to steer here for a minute)

Everyone has there passions on this story - even though it's entertainment & sensationalism, it kinda speaks to the state of things here in the US - criminal & civil law, innocent until proven guilty, common sense (or lack there of) and the court of public appeal ...

I know this story is scary as hell to me, b/c it could happen to any one of us ... some kid maybe that you're babysitting, or whatever, is unhappy with you and makes a claim on you (kids are smart these days, and they know how to get themselves in trouble, and deflect blame) ...

Thoughts ?

DaveR

11-21-2003, 02:01 PM

I meant "kids know how to get themselves OUT of trouble by deflecting blame"

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by DaveR:
(OK, so if I may attempt to steer here for a minute)

Everyone has there passions on this story - even though it's entertainment & sensationalism, it kinda speaks to the state of things here in the US - criminal & civil law, innocent until proven guilty, common sense (or lack there of) and the court of public appeal ...

I know this story is scary as hell to me, b/c it could happen to any one of us ... some kid maybe that you're babysitting, or whatever, is unhappy with you and makes a claim on you (kids are smart these days, and they know how to get themselves in trouble, and deflect blame) ...

Thoughts ? You hear comics joke about the threat that kids know how to dial 911...
children are smart...
women who cry rape(when no rape has occured) are smart...
people engaging in bitter divorce settlements are smart...
and vindictive...
I don't know how to hide from people like this, myself...
just try to treat people right and keep people that are suspect, at a distance... graemlins/conf44.gif

I do know that I do not have Mike's kinda cash laying around...
nor his 'affinities'...

what's the average joe shmoe to do?
like my 4 year old kid says
'i can't know?' graemlins/conf44.gif

altrrdst8

11-21-2003, 02:16 PM

as far as i can tell from what ive read about this story, the (state) law now prevents financial gain being the modus operandi of such cases. A percedent set by the last "indiscretion" by MJ a decade ago. Thus the prosecution are going into this case with justice in mind not monetary reward. I think this is a major factor in this episode.
Ill reserve judgment for MJ after the courts have dealt with him. Something i think we should all do, before the lynch mob mentality sets in.
Let justice settle it one way or the other.

altrrdst8

la verde

11-21-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by MYOR:
[I don't know if MJ is innocent or guilty.. BUT you bet you bottom dollar that if my child was molested.. there would be NO AMOUNT that will STOP me from 1)Killing the bastard or 2) See his ass rot in jail.. [/QB]graemlins/beerchug.gif cheers to that MYOR

Wild i

11-21-2003, 02:26 PM

Okay, I only got to page 8. I've got one quick comment about paying folks off, then I gotta be out.

It's an equation. Famous folks do it. Corporations do it. If it costs more to fight a charge or accusation than it cost to pay off the complainant, pay off the complainant. That is not an admission or indication of guilt, although it does sometimes allow the guilty to go (relatively) free.

Think about it. If you had a pile of money and were accused of rape. The accuser would withdraw the accusation for $100K. Your defense will cost $150K, to say nothing of the damage to your reputation. Which would you choose, guilty or innocent?

Payoffs are all about the math.

Brut by Faberge

11-21-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Wild i:
Okay, I only got to page 8. I've got one quick comment about paying folks off, then I gotta be out.

It's an equation. Famous folks do it. Corporations do it. If it costs more to fight a charge or accusation than it cost to pay off the complainant, pay off the complainant. That is not an admission or indication of guilt, although it does sometimes allow the guilty to go (relatively) free.

Think about it. If you had a pile of money and were accused of rape. The accuser would withdraw the accusation for $100K. Your defense will cost $150K, to say nothing of the damage to your reputation. Which would you choose, guilty or innocent?

Payoffs are all about the math. agreed, but celebrities' bread and butter hinge from the type of cult they are able to conjur up. product is important, but PR and and an upheld image are expenses not in this equation.

this is pure speculation, and i'm not a finance guru by far, but what caliber of potential earnings has michael lost by merely "looking" guilty?

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by altrrdst8:
as far as i can tell from what ive read about this story, the (state) law now prevents financial gain being the modus operandi of such cases. A percedent set by the last "indiscretion" by MJ a decade ago. Thus the prosecution are going into this case with justice in mind not monetary reward. I think this is a major factor in this episode.
Ill reserve judgment for MJ after the courts have dealt with him. Something i think we should all do, before the lynch mob mentality sets in.
Let justice settle it one way or the other.

altrrdst8 wow... the last case set percedent? i didn't know that... so that means, no financial gain...
i don't know, that makes me more concerned about Mike than less... at least with a civil suit being brought up, and money demanded, one could say that the child (or family) had a motive (other than justice being served... that is) ;)
this is the real deal then... huh? ...wow...
he couldn't even buy his way outta this one...

mhd

11-21-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by altrrdst8:
as far as i can tell from what ive read about this story, the (state) law now prevents financial gain being the modus operandi of such cases. A percedent set by the last "indiscretion" by MJ a decade ago. Thus the prosecution are going into this case with justice in mind not monetary reward. I think this is a major factor in this episode.
Ill reserve judgment for MJ after the courts have dealt with him. Something i think we should all do, before the lynch mob mentality sets in.
Let justice settle it one way or the other.

altrrdst8 wow... the last case set percedent? i didn't know that... so that means, no financial gain...
i don't know, that makes me more concerned about Mike than less... at least with a civil suit being brought up, and money demanded, one could say that the child (or family) had a motive (other than justice being served... that is) ;)
this is the real deal then... huh? ...wow...
he couldn't even buy his way outta this one... [/QUOTE]financial motive is still possible

mhd

11-21-2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Wild i:
Okay, I only got to page 8. I've got one quick comment about paying folks off, then I gotta be out.

It's an equation. Famous folks do it. Corporations do it. If it costs more to fight a charge or accusation than it cost to pay off the complainant, pay off the complainant. That is not an admission or indication of guilt, although it does sometimes allow the guilty to go (relatively) free.

Think about it. If you had a pile of money and were accused of rape. The accuser would withdraw the accusation for $100K. Your defense will cost $150K, to say nothing of the damage to your reputation. Which would you choose, guilty or innocent?

Payoffs are all about the math. agreed, but celebrities' bread and butter hinge from the type of cult they are able to conjur up. product is important, but PR and and an upheld image are expenses not in this equation.

this is pure speculation, and i'm not a finance guru by far, but what caliber of potential earnings has michael lost by merely "looking" guilty? [/QUOTE]100 million

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shannon_Shawan:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by altrrdst8:
as far as i can tell from what ive read about this story, the (state) law now prevents financial gain being the modus operandi of such cases. A percedent set by the last "indiscretion" by MJ a decade ago. Thus the prosecution are going into this case with justice in mind not monetary reward. I think this is a major factor in this episode.
Ill reserve judgment for MJ after the courts have dealt with him. Something i think we should all do, before the lynch mob mentality sets in.
Let justice settle it one way or the other.

altrrdst8 wow... the last case set percedent? i didn't know that... so that means, no financial gain...
i don't know, that makes me more concerned about Mike than less... at least with a civil suit being brought up, and money demanded, one could say that the child (or family) had a motive (other than justice being served... that is) ;)
this is the real deal then... huh? ...wow...
he couldn't even buy his way outta this one... [/QUOTE]financial motive is still possible [/QUOTE]how mhd?
how does he, like earier stated, 'buy' his way out of a criminal lawsuit?
or how does the family financially profit? (if it is, in fact, their motive to do so... which is questionable in and of itself)

mhd

11-21-2003, 03:26 PM

how lucrative could it be to be in mj's inner circle? how lucrative could it be to extort cash from mj as a promise to NOT tell. I've heard that MJ hired Geragos back in March regarding these allegations, are we now seeing the results of failed negotiations. how lucrative could a book deal, tv miniseries, magazine expose be for telling the TRUE story...

Ron la Rock

11-21-2003, 05:06 PM

shannoneileen

11-21-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by mhd:
how lucrative could it be to be in mj's inner circle? how lucrative could it be to extort cash from mj as a promise to NOT tell. I've heard that MJ hired Geragos back in March regarding these allegations, are we now seeing the results of failed negotiations. how lucrative could a book deal, tv miniseries, magazine expose be for telling the TRUE story... i see your point... i was focused more on a lawsuit type thing...
but i most definately see your point with the book deal, tv, mag stuff...

TAB.

11-21-2003, 06:29 PM

Regarding the parents and if they should be punished? Unless you assume those parents were out to get paid, there is no law against being stupid and naive. How many times has there been a sex-abuse situation where girlfriend or a wife gave her suspect boyfriend/husband the benefit of the doubt because of her own denial- not to mention hoping that her home wouldn't be wrecked.

Personally, I would not leave my kid with anyone I don't know-even relatives. But I'm an acknowledged pessimist. You don't know if those parents genuinely trusted MJ.

And again, if they did, that would make them gullable.

Not a punishable offense.

Jolyon

11-22-2003, 06:25 AM

11-22-2003, 07:01 AM

Little Billy is not my lover. graemlins/cool_shades.gif

altrrdst8

11-22-2003, 08:19 AM

dont act shocked at people making some money out of this, i thought americans loved the entrepeneurial spirit in a free market economy. Good times for lawers.

altrrdst8

DJ76

11-22-2003, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by MYOR:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
That's where you're wrong HONEY, BABY, SWEETHEART, GUN-TOTIN' MAMA...

I'm ALWAYS in attack mode. Bwahahahahahahaha!

oh - BTW - I only attack HOLLOW ARGUEMENTS. Really how is my observation hollow..

1.MJ-only paid off 1 family...
2.He has who know how many kids going thru his ranch.
3.The parents accept money when he abused their child..(Yeah money is enough).
4.There has been no more reported allegations of people coming fwd.. yes he might have lawyer that takes care of things and pays people NOT make charges.. but won't you still get more money if you make it public. Obviously,at least to me, it was money you were after if you accepted this and let the person who molested your child roam free.

I don't know if MJ is innocent or guilty.. BUT you bet you bottom dollar that if my child was molested.. there would be NO AMOUNT that will STOP me from 1)Killing the bastard or 2) See his ass rot in jail.. [/QUOTE]My exact thoughts. There isn't enough money in the world to buy my integrity when I know that my child suffered cause some sicko layed his hands on him/her. How am I supposed to explain that to my kid? "Yes, yes, uncle Michael played with your penis when you were eleven, but that's fine, he payed me ten million dollars and that's how you've been going to university for the past three years." Very close to prositution when you put it that way, eh?

And forget the child for a minute, it comes down to whether you are prone to be "bought" by someone or if you can stand your ground. Depends of your lifestyle. I can be fine with a certain amount of money and I don't need to be a millionaire.

Martin Red

11-24-2003, 05:33 AM

MJ's new Album straight in at No. 1

the 18th letter

11-24-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Martin Red:
MJ's new Album straight in at No. 1 Roman Polansky won an Oscar and he was CONVICTED!

Martin Red

11-24-2003, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by rammeh:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
MJ's new Album straight in at No. 1 Roman Polansky won an Oscar and he was CONVICTED! [/QUOTE]Oh well that makes it right then

People bringing up Madonna etc earlier, stop shifting blame it doesn't make it right

steve

11-24-2003, 07:58 AM

#1's is not even breaking the Top 50.
He seems to be more popular in Europe which is not surprisng.

Originally posted by Martin Red:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rammeh:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
MJ's new Album straight in at No. 1 Roman Polansky won an Oscar and he was CONVICTED! [/QUOTE]Oh well that makes it right then

People bringing up Madonna etc earlier, stop shifting blame it doesn't make it right [/QUOTE]

Ron la Rock

11-24-2003, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
MOS DEF

Lyrics taken from "Mr. Nigga"

http://www.therecordlink.com/images/00140892.jpg

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
Woody Allen, molested and married his step-daughter
Same press kicking dirt on Michael's name
Show Woody and Soon-Ye at the playoff game, holding hands
Sit back and just bug, think about that
Would he get that type of dap if his name was Woody Black?
OJ found innocent by a jury of his peers
They been fucking with that Nigga for last five years
Is it fair, is it equal, is it just, is it right?
Do they do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
If white boys doing it, well, it's success
When I start doing, well, it's suspect
Don't hate me, my folks is poor, I just got money
America's five centuries deep in cotton money
You see a lot of brothers caked up, yo straight up
It's new, Y'all living off of slave traders paper
But I'm a live though, yo I'm a live though
Putting up the big swing for my kids yo
Got my mom the fat water-front crib yo
I'm a get her them pretty bay windows
I'm a cop a nice home to provide in
A safe environment for seeds to reside in
A fresh whip for my whole family to ride in
And if I'm still Mr Nigga, I won't find it suprising THERE IT IS
here's another one
Yo Martin its not that Micheal shouldn't deal with these charges its the Race/cultural double standards that we see way 2 often

anyways this is a mess sure 2 get uglier

Martin Red

11-24-2003, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
MOS DEF

Lyrics taken from "Mr. Nigga"

http://www.therecordlink.com/images/00140892.jpg

You can laugh and criticize Michael Jackson if you wanna
.
.
.
is it right?
Do they do the same shit when the defendent face is white?
http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/doh.gif

http://www.m-jackson.com/jackson/shop/illustrations/doll-singing1.jpg

[ November 24, 2003, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]