TD Jakes Speaks......(church/election commentary)

[Fletch]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/05/jakes/

[Long Island Head]

I like Bishop TD Jakes, well said! :thumbsup:

[mhd]

gotta finish this later, but, from what i read, td is full of shit

[SuzanneT]

Today as the church moves from its introspective posture to a broader role in politics, business, media
I have a problem with this broader role of the church.

[BrazenMuse]

Ya know...the separation of church and state thing is critical to American politics, to the very fabric of the nation.

We KNOW that people make moral and ethical decisions based on their upbringing and life experience. We know that this can involve the teachings of churches...I don't really have a problem with that.

Given the evidence of MLK's protests, I can't ever say that our spiritual homes/shelters have NO place in public discourse...can't do it. Moving people to act at the risk of their own good and for the sake of others is NOT usually an intellectual exercise...it is buttressed by spiritual decisions, beliefs and practices.

But there is a difference between using religion as ideology and religion lived as a practice.

Restricting a single institution's practitioners to a single set of political positions is seriously problematic...this is an issue I have with certain churches...

it also happens to be a problem I have with fundamentalists of every stripe.

That said...what Jakes is saying doesn't seem unreasonable at all.


I'd like to hear a few more moderate voices from the religionists...publically. NOW.

[The Buddy Love Show]

Great words from TD Jakes

[Fletch]

Why I posted......

1. It is offensive when media paints a picture of "Every Black church is like Jerry Wright, preaching 'Goddamn America' from their pulpits"! Props to Bishop Jakes for setting the record straight.

2. Anyone who says that Barry Obama should have left Trinity years ago has virtually no understanding of how very difficult it is to break a spiritual connection. I've had personal experience with this!

[fred da warrior]

Mabye more ministers should have come to Wright's defense (and the so-called black church) publically when all of this was going on (pre-Washington DC), I thought it was disturbing that throughout this entire ordeal the Body of Christ was strangely silent (Jakes included)

[Fletch]

Mabye more ministers should have come to Wright's defense (and the so-called black church) publically when all of this was going on (pre-Washington DC), I thought it was disturbing that throughout this entire ordeal the Body of Christ was strangely silent (Jakes included)There are many pastors that believe that what Wright said should not have necessarily been made from the pulpit. Whether that's the correct position is subject to debate. But the fact of the matter is that there are pastors who, when they get on the pulpit, preach the Cross and nothing else.

I remember the debate on Martin Luther King and Billy Graham. Many asked why King 'never preached about the Cross'?, while many others asked why Billy Graham 'never came out on civil rights'?

Now, of course, I maybe going away from the purpose of this post, but preaching the gospel v. preaching politics have always been debated.