Puff Daddy ... will help house move to the forefront. [Archive]

Mah'chew

11-09-2003, 11:01 PM

And if he needs any tips ask a Brit, because we had House at the forefront for nearly 10 years until we milked it to death..

In this time we had TV programs live on national stations direct from the most underground (?) clubs in the country. The whole nation, 52+ million people, had the opportunity to hear, Todd Terry or DJ Disciple play at somewhere like Hard Times (UK people: I'm thinking BPM), the whole nation could see these clubs/DJ's charts, we were playing House and the whole of the UK had the opportunity to be exposed to this music..

The upshot being, the Overground has now died and as a result it has left the people that care about House stronger, we've seen House through good times & bad.

It'll be interesting to see what take P Diddy has on this, does he care, or has he seen someone like Fat Boy Slim or Chemical Brothers and thought, damn this next route into MTV domination looks easy? And it's called House.. :(

I hope that he backs the small guys, the guys that are making real music and doesn't see it as an easy money-maker for some some psudo-house bastardized genre of MTV playability

[ November 09, 2003, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: Mah'chew ]

Woody Rosen

11-10-2003, 12:19 AM

I'm not sure where I stand on Puffy getting into house. On the one hand he IS the TRL-MTV-non rapping punkass. But on the other hand (im guessing) that he grew up in New York during the era of Larry Levan and the Paradise Garage, so he may have an ear for good music underneath his soul-less MTV facade.

Who knows though? That first track that came out off his label was pretty awful. So far it doesn't look too good.

Mah'chew

11-10-2003, 01:39 AM

I'm sure he could be bigger than MAW, the choice is his. However, I bet he goes for the Sasha $$$'s and opens up a club called Diddy's in Ibiza

Mah'chew

11-10-2003, 01:45 AM

Not that there's anything wrong with that, Diddy deserves to get paid :D

assholes delight

11-10-2003, 04:34 AM

Does this mean Hip House comes back too? Hope you all saved those polka dot collared shirts ha ha.

11-10-2003, 09:59 AM

After hearing my buddy's comments outta Frisco, a
brother who visits Europe all the time coupled with the poor image House music has, I think IT'S A GREAT MOVE.

Although I may not entirely agree with his methods, I think it has the potential to be heard by more sheep....

The numbers have an uncanny ability to make things grow.

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 11:12 AM

look if you saw Puffy's performance at the DanceStar awards and his bs "skills" at the SUbliminal party in WMC 2003 I would ahve to say Puff is REALLY in the wrong business and shouldnt dive into house.
His debut track "Let's Get Ill" I'm sure didnt make $$ or lasting chart action and generally SUCKED for most people. If anything this would only make Puff as a joke for the AMerican consumers but Hosue music will continue as an underground phenomenon despite all the hype. ;)

SMOOTH87

11-10-2003, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by djmarbll:
Good interview Sean. I'm sure what direction P. Diddy will take house though. Thanks Eric!

As far as P. Diddy is concerned starting a dance label even if the music is commercial and or trancy I feel it will bring some attention to music over 120bpms in the US. Hopefully some deep house mixes will slip through on that label as well. As for what I have been told he is getting a lot of dance artist together for this.

Wheather this helps or not cats like myself and others on dhp and abroad will still continue to make music and keep spreading this sound...

Thanks Again Muema for the opportunity!!

Best,

Sean Smith

SMOOTH87

11-10-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
look if you saw Puffy's performance at the DanceStar awards and his bs "skills" at the SUbliminal party in WMC 2003 I would ahve to say Puff is REALLY in the wrong business and shouldnt dive into house.
His debut track "Let's Get Ill" I'm sure didnt make $$ or lasting chart action and generally SUCKED for most people. If anything this would only make Puff as a joke for the AMerican consumers but Hosue music will continue as an underground phenomenon despite all the hype. ;) I feel what you are saying.. But some hype is better than no hype at all.

Personally I feel folk are getting tired of hip hop perputrating as the be all end all of black music. Hip hop has it's place but it's time for something else to take the forfront...

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 11:53 AM

Smooth; I hear ya bro, exposure is good but the style Puff is catering to is nasty. With the expection of the tracks he's doing with Morillo, Harry Romero & Felix daHouseCat most of it is for the trance/crappy Prog crowd. yes thats where the $$ is but he is missing the whole picture and message. I aint saying DONT MAKE THAT KIND OF HOUSE, its all good but if you want him to be a spokepserson for house music stemmed from the African American experience then he's not the man for it.
Remember, he got really thinking about making some house music after travelling to Ibiza a few times. Its a nice way to see house music ina terrific atmosphere but there is not ONE DeepHouse night in Ibiza. & tkae this from someone who is deeply entrenched in the style Puff is gearing towards

Basecore Boy

11-10-2003, 02:21 PM

I hope he pushes the R&B remixes. They have radio and video to back them up.

Then our talented vocalist and producers in the house arena will be able to sign deals also with great lyrical music.

VOCALS are the future.

Work on the women, they like songs they can singggggg alonggggg tooooo.

This will equal sales.

11-10-2003, 02:27 PM

Puff Daddy ... will help house move to the forefront

No thanks.. I hope he doesn't.

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 02:31 PM

Puffy... our savior??? graemlins/puke.gif

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 02:35 PM

Seriously... me & a friend were arguing that he helped ruin hip-hop. Him & his shiny suit, bling-bling all the time mentality-(c)rap.

Don't get me wrong. He's an intelligent business man. But looking to this guy for help is just being desperate.

But beggars can't be choosers... I guess!!

[ November 10, 2003, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: XL ]

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
Puff Daddy ... will help house move to the forefront

No thanks.. I hope he doesn't. What a stupid thing to say

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Puffy... our savior??? graemlins/puke.gif buttressed by this

[ November 10, 2003, 02:40 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:39 PM

I would support the brothers attempts to add a real shot of life into this scene

cause i like money

and i don't mean upper middle class money either

And his track record shows that he knows how to run a label and bring fame and fortune o his artists

If y'all were smart you'd try to get a foot in the door early

But I did say "If" didn't I?

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Puffy... our savior??? graemlins/puke.gif lol, reminds me of that passage i think in REVELATIONS where the anti-christ will 1st appear as the "Savior" himself. lol
who got that quote for us? ;)

11-10-2003, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
Puff Daddy ... will help house move to the forefront

No thanks.. I hope he doesn't. What a stupid thing to say [/QUOTE]Why is it so stupid? Puffy doesn't know shit about HOUSE?

11-10-2003, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Puffy... our savior??? graemlins/puke.gif graemlins/lol.gif icon_rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif icon_rofl.gif

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I would support the brothers attempts to add a real shot of life into this scene

cause i like money

and i don't mean upper middle class money either

And his track record shows that he knows how to run a label and bring fame and fortune o his artists

If y'all were smart you'd try to get a foot in the door early

But I did say "If" didn't I? that is true but he knows RAP MUSIC, he doesnt know HOUSE even PROG house. All he was told was who were the hottest producers at the moment and he jumped right into the studio with them.
He gotta work on his A&R skills in this game instead of the hype game

richierich

11-10-2003, 02:44 PM

At least he's trying.. I think he can pull it off.

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Seriously... me & a friend were arguing that he helped ruin hip-hop. Him & his shiny suit, bling-bling all the time mentality-(c)rap.

Don't get me wrong. He's an intelligent business man. But looking to this guy for help is just being desperate.

But beggars can't be choosers... I guess!! If the suit was shiny it's probably silk and since he wears designer more than most of us make in 2 months...He has done more than most people to expand hiphop to the masses ( read whites) who have made this the #1 musical form in the country

Emulating success tends to encourage success...no wonder so many on this board would turn their backs to him

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
And his track record shows that he knows how to run a label and bring fame and fortune o his artistsOne can't argue his track record of success but the way I see it... (and I could be wrong) the man has no love for house or knowledge of it's roots. He just sees $$$$$ and try'na cash in.

That's how shit got f**ked up in the first place. But Magnus.. I also see your point. It's f**ked up anyway, so why not....???

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Michael J. Carmona:
Puff Daddy ... will help house move to the forefront

No thanks.. I hope he doesn't. What a stupid thing to say [/QUOTE]Why is it so stupid? Puffy doesn't know shit about HOUSE? [/QUOTE]Thats why he will HIRE competent people to guide the label and MAKE it a success...That is why he has been courting the most successful producers in the game for over a year

Business 101

Jamie 3:26

11-10-2003, 02:47 PM

For those who really do not understand this....the hip-pop of today will be old to the next generation.The wave is slowly dying out.

If Puffy is getting in this,he sees something already.Just like my man Eddie said in superfly.."Fool,you betta get in!!!"

It takes money to make money.If some cats were not such purists,we would not have to use commercial cats like Puffy to push something.

This all about the love is pure bullshit.When will ya'll mofo's be satisfied?If house ever did blow the hell up,there still would be cats trippin' and talking shit.

Talkin' loud and sayin' nuthin' should be the House music national anthem instead of Move your body.

I have not seen many folks talk about another way to crack into an very large untapped market for this music.

I have not seen anyone suggest a proper way to market house.

I have not seen anyone try to create something that would counteract what Puffy is trying to push.

Has any of the budding producers sent anything to Puffy?

Why not send an e-mail to bad Boy's marketng dept. informing them of house events?

I guess that's too much like right and makes too much damn sense.

All of this complaining about who does what to house and who should rep it is moot.

GET OVER IT!!!

Nice interview Sean...I saw your point. ;)

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
QUOTE]If the suit was shiny it's probably silk and since he wears designer more than most of us make in 2 months. [/QB]yeah off the backs of hardworking Hondurians in sweatshops graemlins/lol.gif

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by XL:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
And his track record shows that he knows how to run a label and bring fame and fortune o his artistsOne can't argue his track record of success but the way I see it... (and I could be wrong) the man has no love for house or knowledge of it's roots. He just sees $$$$$ and try'na cash in.

That's how shit got f**ked up in the first place. But Magnus.. I also see your point. It's f**ked up anyway, so why not....??? [/QUOTE]Your saying that he doesn't know shit about house is a HUGE assumption that is probably wrong...I know the parties he throws and dj's he hires..and they play house too

lyot

11-10-2003, 02:51 PM

if it would mean an increase in output of quality house music, it should be welcomed..But, I do fear this will not become reality..I haven't heard any of P.Daddy's house productions yet, but if it's not impressive or even wack, I do not see how it would lead to an increasee in quality records.. a bad example copied leads only to even more BS music.. Just my 2 cents.. For a hype to be 'helpfull' you need role models that are credible and stand for quality and that are not imported..

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Big Sexy:
For those who really do not understand this....the hip-pop of today will be old to the next generation.The wave is slowly dying out.

If Puffy is getting in this,he sees something already.Just like my man Eddie said in superfly.."Fool,you betta get in!!!"

It takes money to make money.If some cats were not such purists,we would not have to use commercial cats like Puffy to push something.

This all about the love is pure bullshit.When will ya'll mofo's be satisfied?If house ever did blow the hell up,there still would be cats trippin' and talking shit.

Talkin' loud and sayin' nuthin' should be the House music national anthem instead of Move your body.

I have not seen many folks talk about another way to crack into an very large untapped market for this music.

I have not seen anyone suggest a proper way to market house.

I have not seen anyone try to create something that would counteract what Puffy is trying to push.

Has any of the budding producers sent anything to Puffy?

Why not send an e-mail to bad Boy's marketng dept. informing them of house events?

I guess that's too much like right and makes too much damn sense.

All of this complaining about who does what to house and who should rep it is moot.

GET OVER IT!!!

Nice interview Sean...I saw your point. ;) Of course they won't do shit...cause not doing shit is their birthright and claim to fame

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
[QUOTE]Thats why he will HIRE competent people to guide the label and MAKE it a success...That is why he has been courting the most successful producers in the game for over a year

Business 101 [/QB]HOUSE MUSIC BUSINESS 101
you dont hire the most succesful producers at the moment cause you dont cash in as much on your investment. You hire the up & comers who are hungrier and wont charge as much, your A&R person would know who and how good the tracks are made that way if it flops you can recoup your $$ ;)

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 02:54 PM

The fact that Puff is gettin to this game is not what's bad (IMHO) but the fact that people are looking to him as a savior is...

Choose your messiah carefully!!

[ November 10, 2003, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: XL ]

11-10-2003, 02:57 PM

I am not a numerologist (can barely spell it) but ahh, its all about the #s I tell ya!

Not that Diddy knows about House(that's not the question) yet due to his reputation and his finances this has the potential for others to be side-trapped or more expoused to learning about house music, even Diddy himself.
His cash could support others, up coming cats. Investments into the future happen daily, yet many on the board seem to hold that "starving artist type of mentality"......F-that....as Simmons said, 'Its hard helping the poor if you're one of them'.

I imagine he could set up several clubs well known and/or not well known in many cities in America and abroad.....ask yourself, what can you set up? (not even a kitchen table)...forget-about-it and support some stuff....(I know change is hard, AINT IT)

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

Thats why he will HIRE competent people to guide the label and MAKE it a success...That is why he has been courting the most successful producers in the game for over a year

Business 101 HOUSE MUSIC BUSINESS 101
you dont hire the most succesful producers at the moment cause you dont cash in as much on your investment. You hire the up & comers who are hungrier and wont charge as much, your A&R person would know who and how good the tracks are made that way if it flops you can recoup your $$ ;) [/QB]We hired Junior at his height and made a killing

It all depends on the cash you have and the money you can convince people to accept

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Your saying that he doesn't know shit about house is a HUGE assumption that is probably wrong...I know the parties he throws and dj's he hires..and they play house too The man is on TV and radio more than the president. You can't turn the dial without hearing him. And all the while I NEVER hear him say one thing about House music. He's always talking about hip-hop this or rap that. So what am I supposed to assume???

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:

Thats why he will HIRE competent people to guide the label and MAKE it a success...That is why he has been courting the most successful producers in the game for over a year

Business 101 HOUSE MUSIC BUSINESS 101
you dont hire the most succesful producers at the moment cause you dont cash in as much on your investment. You hire the up & comers who are hungrier and wont charge as much, your A&R person would know who and how good the tracks are made that way if it flops you can recoup your $$ ;) We hired Junior at his height and made a killing

It all depends on the cash you have and the money you can convince people to accept [/QB][/QUOTE]We also hired 95 North as they were starting and also made a killing...but then as I say we were good businessman (to a point)

Puffy has shown he's a very good businessman

Jamie 3:26

11-10-2003, 03:03 PM

lyot

11-10-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Hk:
I am not a numerologist (can barely spell it) but ahh, its all about the #s I tell ya!

Not that Diddy knows about House(that's not the question) yet due to his reputation and his finances this has the potential for others to be side-trapped or more expoused to learning about house music, even Diddy himself.
His cash could support others, up coming cats. Investments into the future happen daily, yet many on the board seem to hold that "starving artist type of mentality"......F-that....as Simmons said, 'Its hard helping the poor if you're one of them'.

I imagine he could set up several clubs well known and/or not well known in many cities in America and abroad.....ask yourself, what can you set up? (not even a kitchen table)...forget-about-it and support some stuff....(I know change is hard, AINT IT) hello Hk,

some very valid points, but this can easily put a lot of people in a real dilemma situation..If your intention is to make deep music, and suddenly the 'market' demands or requiers you to shift slightly and make compromises (under the influence of a cat like P.Diddy who can change things), would that in your opinion be a good thing? Cause what you risk is that quantity becomes way more important then quality..
Mind you, I'm not a purist at all..I just like good music, and don't think that bad music should be supported, even if there are massive $ around..

greetings

11-10-2003, 03:05 PM

Magus & Mayimbe....

I am starvin!

(good comments, its an approach, each one teach one)

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 03:06 PM

Magus: I'm sure you made a killing but thats jsut one producer for one remix that grant it, might make $$ (of course EVERYTHING is a risk and you have to make some)
BUT, my point is that if Puff is gonna go into a studio and come out with a House Album with all the top producers he runs a huge risk of not making $$.
Now this is if he intends to market the shit out of his CD. If he doesnt care about making a profit (doubt it and I doubt he'll market this cd quietly) then by all means he'll do a good CD.
Take fro example Louie Devito & Ultra records. They put out some heavily marketed CDs that has alot fo support from KTU and other LOCAL commercial stations. Grant it they sell alot of CDs that makes noise on the Billboard charts but in terms of good investements they dont make $$. Just the licensing of the songs kills you on your profit margin. There are plenty of talneted producers in each filed that is hungry and would practically collborate on a track for practically no $$ @all just so they can associate their names with someone established.

[ November 10, 2003, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: EL MAYIMBE ]

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Hk:
Not that Diddy knows about House(that's not the question) yet due to his reputation and his finances this has the potential for others to be side-trapped or more expoused to learning about house music, even Diddy himself.
His cash could support others, up coming cats. Investments into the future happen daily, yet many on the board seem to hold that "starving artist type of mentality"......F-that....Help up & comers?? like he helped Craig Mack, Total, Black Rob, Lox, Mary J, 112. He helped them so much they all left his camp. And what the hell happened to Carl Thomas???

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by XL:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Your saying that he doesn't know shit about house is a HUGE assumption that is probably wrong...I know the parties he throws and dj's he hires..and they play house too The man is on TV and radio more than the president. You can't turn the dial without hearing him. And all the while I NEVER hear him say one thing about House music. He's always talking about hip-hop this or rap that. So what am I supposed to assume??? [/QUOTE]People here talk about house all the time...and all the while party to and purchase hiphop. Noone can ASS uME anything about what happens outside the private eye....Puffy deliberately hires jocks that can play hiphop and house at his events...he also attends many events where house is played

assume nothing - you only set yourself up for failure that way

El Mayimbe

11-10-2003, 03:10 PM

ps i apologize for my typos graemlins/tongueout.gif

11-10-2003, 03:13 PM

Peace lyot,

Not at all am I suggesting to go for the mass approach and flood the market, if you will. You know that I like the deep, rare, but emotionally-packed side of the spectrum which is not played a great deal based on my travels (UK, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, NY).

Its a mixed bag approach is what I am opting for, I can remember when the radio used to play several of Kraftwerks tunes....its about exposure, numbers is what I am getting at (forget the pun).

I cant think for the likes of the world how people cant like this shade of the music, yet I'm stumped on how to get the sound heard to more people whom I think will naturally like it if they just give it a chance(of course my hypothesis could be invalid too).....

I dont have the answer.....

11-10-2003, 03:14 PM

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by XL:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Hk:
Not that Diddy knows about House(that's not the question) yet due to his reputation and his finances this has the potential for others to be side-trapped or more expoused to learning about house music, even Diddy himself.
His cash could support others, up coming cats. Investments into the future happen daily, yet many on the board seem to hold that "starving artist type of mentality"......F-that....Help up & comers?? like he helped Craig Mack, Total, Black Rob, Lox, Mary J, 112. He helped them so much they all left his camp. And what the hell happened to Carl Thomas??? [/QUOTE]Mary J AND 112 are still making joints and PUFFY put them on the map...In fact he has put a lot of people on the map

Yet somehow you see that as a bad thing

Incredible

I hope you show us staunch resolve if he were to discover you and you tell him to step!

(Picture that)

lyot

11-10-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Hk:
Peace lyot,

Not at all am I suggesting to go for the mass approach and flood the market, if you will. You know that I like the deep, rare, but emotionally-packed side of the spectrum which is not played a great deal based on my travels (UK, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, NY).

Its a mixed bag approach is what I am opting for, I can remember when the radio used to play several of Kraftwerks tunes....its about exposure, numbers is what I am getting at (forget the pun).

I cant think for the likes of the world how people cant like this shade of the music, yet I'm stumped on how to get the sound heard to more people whom I think will naturally like it if they just give it a chance(of course my hypothesis could be invalid too).....

I dont have the answer..... I hear you on all means to get the 'message' to the people..Above J326 or do I have to say BigSexy mentionned that there's a large untapped market for our music..This is an assumption that we get to read quite a lot of times here, but is it really true ? Do you guys honestly think that we can get deep, underground house music to the masses ? I do not see people like Needs, Ron Trent, GU or whoever in the same niche appearing in the charts...In the 80's, House was big and a commercial succes, but wasn't this part of a hype that dried out even sooner then it appeared ? Honestly, I do think we are wrong to assume that house can be a big commercial succes, at least not the quality tracks.. But I can be wrong, and I would be very happy to see good house played everywhere on every corner..

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:21 PM

Please.... Christopher Columbus put America on the map & that don't mean sh*t!

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Please.... Christopher Columbus put America on the map & that don't mean sh*t! This analogy is beyond repair

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:26 PM

How about this one... Elvis put Rock & Roll on the map.

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:27 PM

Hail Puffy...I mean Sean Combs... I mean Popa ditty pop... Our Elvis!!

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Hail Puffy...I mean Sean Combs... I mean Popa ditty pop... Our Elvis!! Its nice to be clever and even nicer to be real

Are you saying you would turn down an offer from Sean Combs

a simple question really that only requires a Y or N answer

richierich

11-10-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Please.... Christopher Columbus put America on the map & that don't mean sh*t! Amerikka was already on the map he didn't discover shit..there were people already here..get it right.. :rolleyes:

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:40 PM

Offer to do what???

Become an artist in his camp. Aside from the fact that I can't sing or rap, my answer is No!! Because his track record for managing other artist isn't that great. Only Faith has stayed loyal.

He does however do a great job of managing his career & finances. A true entrepenuer.

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by richierich:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XL:
Please.... Christopher Columbus put America on the map & that don't mean sh*t! Amerikka was already on the map he didn't discover shit..there were people already here..get it right.. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]Stop playin... For real. Next you gonna tell me the Earth is round!!

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by XL:
Offer to do what???

Become an artist in his camp. Aside from the fact that I can't sing or rap, my answer is No!! Because his track record for managing other artist isn't that great. Only Faith has stayed loyal.

He does however do a great job of managing his career & finances. A true entrepenuer. Uh Huh....if Puffy offered you 100K to shine his shoes you'd go out and kill an emu by mistake

Stop frontin

Then again ya probably aint frontin...and are happy with T.A.S.K. just the way it is

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by XL:
Offer to do what???

Become an artist in his camp. Aside from the fact that I can't sing or rap, my answer is No!! Because his track record for managing other artist isn't that great. Only Faith has stayed loyal.

He does however do a great job of managing his career & finances. A true entrepenuer. Uh Huh....if Puffy offered you 100K to shine his shoes you'd go out and kill an emu by mistake

Stop frontin

Then again ya probably aint frontin...and are happy with T.A.S.K. just the way it is [/QUOTE]Me on the other hand..i'd fit that shit right in my schedule...subcontract the work out at $2 a pop right before or after I left one of my other ventures and wear a cheese eating smile all the live long day

but that just me...and i got three kids to feed

[ November 10, 2003, 04:02 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]

The Real Dragonfly Jones

11-10-2003, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
[/QUOTE]Uh Huh....if Puffy offered you 100K to shine his shoes you'd go out and kill an emu by mistake[/QB][/QUOTE]

No my name aint Farnsworth. But if you're that type.. that's you.

But on the real... I appreciate the convo. 95% of the time I agree with you Magus. But not on this topic.

I gotta go. It's quittin time.

Light Skinted Wif Good Hur

11-10-2003, 05:12 PM

I'd be really curious to see what a well known/respected member of the DHP has to say about this. It was indicated to me that he may be working for Mr. Combes for his dance label. I'm not gonna let his cat out of the bag but some people may be shocked who it is! :eek:

The Buddy Love Show

11-10-2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by whyteout:
I'd be really curious to see what a well known/respected member of the DHP has to say about this. It was indicated to me that he may be working for Mr. Combes for his dance label. I'm not gonna let his cat out of the bag but some people may be shocked who it is! :eek: First they'll be shocked
Then they'll talk shit
Because in the end they are true losers

SMOOTH87

11-11-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
Smooth; I hear ya bro, exposure is good but the style Puff is catering to is nasty. With the expection of the tracks he's doing with Morillo, Harry Romero & Felix daHouseCat most of it is for the trance/crappy Prog crowd. yes thats where the $$ is but he is missing the whole picture and message. I aint saying DONT MAKE THAT KIND OF HOUSE, its all good but if you want him to be a spokepserson for house music stemmed from the African American experience then he's not the man for it.
Remember, he got really thinking about making some house music after travelling to Ibiza a few times. Its a nice way to see house music ina terrific atmosphere but there is not ONE DeepHouse night in Ibiza. & tkae this from someone who is deeply entrenched in the style Puff is gearing towards I do feel with Puff coming into the game that he will comercialize it to make some cheese.. I feel there are 2 things that can happen.

1. Others in the majors record companies will also jump aboard and push this into radio which will bring more mix shows. Labels making dance as marketable as it can be will have to put different types of mixes to attract different types of crowds. This is where the real shit can come thru. Hopefully this is where the right djs in the right places will push the real house sound.

2. By Puffy and other major labels getting in the game the music so commercial that it actually push more people away from house. So much that even people who love house now want to hear something else.

I feel the main thing is radio support and that is what house doesn't have now. Lot of kids now do not even know that this music even exists.

It will never be the way it once was but it can be better than it is now...

Mah'chew

11-11-2003, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by SMOOTH87:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
Smooth; I hear ya bro, exposure is good but the style Puff is catering to is nasty. With the expection of the tracks he's doing with Morillo, Harry Romero & Felix daHouseCat most of it is for the trance/crappy Prog crowd. yes thats where the $$ is but he is missing the whole picture and message. I aint saying DONT MAKE THAT KIND OF HOUSE, its all good but if you want him to be a spokepserson for house music stemmed from the African American experience then he's not the man for it.
Remember, he got really thinking about making some house music after travelling to Ibiza a few times. Its a nice way to see house music ina terrific atmosphere but there is not ONE DeepHouse night in Ibiza. & tkae this from someone who is deeply entrenched in the style Puff is gearing towards I do feel with Puff coming into the game that he will comercialize it to make some cheese.. I feel there are 2 things that can happen.

1. Others in the majors record companies will also jump aboard and push this into radio which will bring more mix shows. Labels making dance as marketable as it can be will have to put different types of mixes to attract different types of crowds. This is where the real shit can come thru. Hopefully this is where the right djs in the right places will push the real house sound.

2. By Puffy and other major labels getting in the game the music so commercial that it actually push more people away from house. So much that even people who love house now want to hear something else.

I feel the main thing is radio support and that is what house doesn't have now. Lot of kids now do not even know that this music even exists.

It will never be the way it once was but it can be better than it is now... [/QUOTE]It all boils down to the mainstream. If you want it overground, people getting paid, house making money, MTV Yo House Jams - then you have to take it to the mainstream and as a mainstream cult it doesn't cut it, as soon as you're listening to something you regard as underground in a million dollar club on MTV it dies - look at the UK (10 years of playing house, ten years of flying DJ's & Producers over from the USA - then it goes trance, superclub, the taggers-on go by the way-side, kids start buying rock music).

Or Disco, a genre which was raped by the majors to the point of it being a dirty word in some quarters..

At least with Puffy at the helm, House is being taken on this uncertain ride by a Black Man, not like House in the UK (White Guys) and Disco in it's Death Roll(White Straight Guys)

SMOOTH87

11-11-2003, 03:23 AM

At least with Puffy at the helm, House is being taken on this uncertain ride by a Black Man, not like House in the UK (White Guys) and Disco in it's Death Roll(White Straight Guys) [/QB][/QUOTE]

Exactly! graemlins/grinyes.gif

This episode in dance music will be very interesting...

Ben.

11-11-2003, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
there is not ONE DeepHouse night in Ibiza. yes there is, lots of deep house dj's play pacha & el divino every summer.

El Mayimbe

11-11-2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by Ben.:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
there is not ONE DeepHouse night in Ibiza. yes there is, lots of deep house dj's play pacha & el divino every summer. [/QUOTE]if your reffering to the baleric/spanish guitar style house, then yes the island (and the summer house tunes) are full of that but what I'm stating is the deep soulful Underground house music. I'm sure there might be an opener who might play some of this but there is not a MAW/King Street Night or a night that headlines Kerri Chandlier or Tony Humphries. that to me is a DeepHouse Night ;)

El Mayimbe

11-11-2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by SMOOTH87:

1. Others in the majors record companies will also jump aboard and push this into radio which will bring more mix shows. Labels making dance as marketable as it can be will have to put different types of mixes to attract different types of crowds. This is where the real shit can come thru. Hopefully this is where the right djs in the right places will push the real house sound.

2. By Puffy and other major labels getting in the game the music so commercial that it actually push more people away from house. So much that even people who love house now want to hear something else.

I feel the main thing is radio support and that is what house doesn't have now. Lot of kids now do not even know that this music even exists.

It will never be the way it once was but it can be better than it is now... its been done before bro, Like I said I'm pessimistic as to how the American Major labels will handle House music. They tried to get it very commercial and popular in the early 90's which was a great thing but as soon as they noticed that they could not market house music to Lil Anna Marie from kansas they bailed on it. Even if house is promoted to sell for even a few units the majors would go for a more pop like trance or Rock N Roll sampling style as they did with the whole "ELECTRONICA" movement. Why do you think acts like Paul Oakenfold or Paul Van Dyk are marekted, of course there is a financial backing but its also cause they are white Europeans and not black, gay or latin. Louie Devito or Skribbles sell tons of CDs in the tri-state area because many of their consumers are either italian, greek or portuguese americans who can relate to these DJs. Its all about these kids picking up a CD looking at who its either prioducing the music or mixed Cd and relating to them. THAT IS WHAT SELLING MUSIC HAS BECOME
When Puff comes out with his CD, more power to him and House music, YES there will be people in this country who will pay a little bit more attention to it BUT THE INTEREST WILL NOT LAST.
As soon as they begin to research on House they will notice that there is a gay background and find out that house is about dancing freely without anger or agression, its about enjoying life & living it. Americans do not have that background that it is ok just to simply dance for pleasure, not that u have to get f'ed up so u can build confidence to dance with the hot girl on the floor. Why do u think so many females loved to go to these gay clubs where they can enjoy the music and guys wont try to push up on you?
This country cannot handle this music nor they ever will.
just my opinion ;)

El Mayimbe

11-11-2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Mah'chew:

At least with Puffy at the helm, House is being taken on this uncertain ride by a Black Man, not like House in the UK (White Guys) and Disco in it's Death Roll(White Straight Guys) nah bro, the expression that came to my head is: "wolf in sheep's clothing"

THere are PLENTY of white cats in Europe that play very soulful and deep house that put many cats here in NY and elsewhere to shame. Just cause its a high profiled Black Man like Puff does not necesarily make it better. Of course I'm proud of it but I'll be even more happy if he were to address or at least research on all these topics we discuss on this mesageboard alot

lyot

11-11-2003, 12:26 PM

I thought Kerri played Ibiza this year..

SMOOTH87

11-12-2003, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SMOOTH87:

1. Others in the majors record companies will also jump aboard and push this into radio which will bring more mix shows. Labels making dance as marketable as it can be will have to put different types of mixes to attract different types of crowds. This is where the real shit can come thru. Hopefully this is where the right djs in the right places will push the real house sound.

2. By Puffy and other major labels getting in the game the music so commercial that it actually push more people away from house. So much that even people who love house now want to hear something else.

I feel the main thing is radio support and that is what house doesn't have now. Lot of kids now do not even know that this music even exists.

It will never be the way it once was but it can be better than it is now... its been done before bro, Like I said I'm pessimistic as to how the American Major labels will handle House music. They tried to get it very commercial and popular in the early 90's which was a great thing but as soon as they noticed that they could not market house music to Lil Anna Marie from kansas they bailed on it. Even if house is promoted to sell for even a few units the majors would go for a more pop like trance or Rock N Roll sampling style as they did with the whole "ELECTRONICA" movement. Why do you think acts like Paul Oakenfold or Paul Van Dyk are marekted, of course there is a financial backing but its also cause they are white Europeans and not black, gay or latin. Louie Devito or Skribbles sell tons of CDs in the tri-state area because many of their consumers are either italian, greek or portuguese americans who can relate to these DJs. Its all about these kids picking up a CD looking at who its either prioducing the music or mixed Cd and relating to them. THAT IS WHAT SELLING MUSIC HAS BECOME
When Puff comes out with his CD, more power to him and House music, YES there will be people in this country who will pay a little bit more attention to it BUT THE INTEREST WILL NOT LAST.
As soon as they begin to research on House they will notice that there is a gay background and find out that house is about dancing freely without anger or agression, its about enjoying life & living it. Americans do not have that background that it is ok just to simply dance for pleasure, not that u have to get f'ed up so u can build confidence to dance with the hot girl on the floor. Why do u think so many females loved to go to these gay clubs where they can enjoy the music and guys wont try to push up on you?
This country cannot handle this music nor they ever will.
just my opinion ;) [/QUOTE]Very much respected... I am not one for comercialization either. All we can do is to see what happens....

Mr. Clubman

11-29-2003, 09:39 PM

I think it's fair to say that Puffy has a good grasp of the underground, even if it is hip-hop. Biggie Smalls and the others are hardcore grimey heads. They might not portray it on MTV videos, but all those muthas got skeletons in the closet, somewhere. Puffy just might be able to give the house sound a boost. I know he is meticulous about how his tracks sound and are put together. He is a business man: he will put out as little garbage as possible to keep his listening fans and his pockets phizz-at. Hopefully when his dance label comes out, he will think of what and where he came from and keep the sounds within that range. I hope he keeps us 'loveboat' people in mind when he releases the records and keeps in mind the integrity of REAL underground purity and feel. It's iffy people; he will help the sound move back up to where it once was, or he'll milk the shit out of it with Pablo Flores and Robbie Rivera remixes all over the damn place! No matter what route Puffy decides to go with, i'll still love you in the morning... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

SMOOTH87

11-30-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Clubman:
I think it's fair to say that Puffy has a good grasp of the underground, even if it is hip-hop. Biggie Smalls and the others are hardcore grimey heads. They might not portray it on MTV videos, but all those muthas got skeletons in the closet, somewhere. Puffy just might be able to give the house sound a boost. I know he is meticulous about how his tracks sound and are put together. He is a business man: he will put out as little garbage as possible to keep his listening fans and his pockets phizz-at. Hopefully when his dance label comes out, he will think of what and where he came from and keep the sounds within that range. I hope he keeps us 'loveboat' people in mind when he releases the records and keeps in mind the integrity of REAL underground purity and feel. It's iffy people; he will help the sound move back up to where it once was, or he'll milk the shit out of it with Pablo Flores and Robbie Rivera remixes all over the damn place! No matter what route Puffy decides to go with, i'll still love you in the morning... graemlins/thumbsup.gif We shall C!!

So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)

11-30-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SMOOTH87:

1. Others in the majors record companies will also jump aboard and push this into radio which will bring more mix shows. Labels making dance as marketable as it can be will have to put different types of mixes to attract different types of crowds. This is where the real shit can come thru. Hopefully this is where the right djs in the right places will push the real house sound.

2. By Puffy and other major labels getting in the game the music so commercial that it actually push more people away from house. So much that even people who love house now want to hear something else.

I feel the main thing is radio support and that is what house doesn't have now. Lot of kids now do not even know that this music even exists.

It will never be the way it once was but it can be better than it is now... its been done before bro, Like I said I'm pessimistic as to how the American Major labels will handle House music. They tried to get it very commercial and popular in the early 90's which was a great thing but as soon as they noticed that they could not market house music to Lil Anna Marie from kansas they bailed on it. Even if house is promoted to sell for even a few units the majors would go for a more pop like trance or Rock N Roll sampling style as they did with the whole "ELECTRONICA" movement. Why do you think acts like Paul Oakenfold or Paul Van Dyk are marekted, of course there is a financial backing but its also cause they are white Europeans and not black, gay or latin. Louie Devito or Skribbles sell tons of CDs in the tri-state area because many of their consumers are either italian, greek or portuguese americans who can relate to these DJs. Its all about these kids picking up a CD looking at who its either prioducing the music or mixed Cd and relating to them. THAT IS WHAT SELLING MUSIC HAS BECOME
When Puff comes out with his CD, more power to him and House music, YES there will be people in this country who will pay a little bit more attention to it BUT THE INTEREST WILL NOT LAST.
As soon as they begin to research on House they will notice that there is a gay background and find out that house is about dancing freely without anger or agression, its about enjoying life & living it. Americans do not have that background that it is ok just to simply dance for pleasure, not that u have to get f'ed up so u can build confidence to dance with the hot girl on the floor. Why do u think so many females loved to go to these gay clubs where they can enjoy the music and guys wont try to push up on you?
This country cannot handle this music nor they ever will.
just my opinion ;) [/QUOTE]VERY WELL STATED MY FRIEND!!!!! AND FURTHER MORE WHEN THEY OR PUFFY DO THE "RESEARCH" HE WILL GET NERVOUS LIKE A LITTLE "BIIIAATCH" BECAUSE OF HIS "MANHOOD" IS AT STAKE AND JUST LIKE A MAJOR LABEL CONGLOMERATE, HE WILL BAIL AND BUCKLE, CAUSE THE DANCE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE GAY DANCE COMMUNITY "WILL" FORCE HIM TO PUT HIS "BALLS" ON THE TABLE!!! YEAH LETS SEE HOW LOYAL HE WILL BE TO HIS NEW FANS IN THIS COMMUNITY. I DARE HIM TO STEP DOWN OFF OF HIS HIGH HORSE AND PARTY WITH US COMMON FOLK ESPECIALLY THE GAY COMMUNITY!!!! HE THINK THEM CRAMPS GOT TO HIM IN THAT 26 MILE RUN, LET HIM PHUCK US OVER JUST ONCE, AND BELIEVE ME HE WILL GET IT!!! (AND Y'ALL CAN QUOTE ME ON THIS!!!) mad1.gif mad1.gif :D :D

Ben.

11-30-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ben.:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EL MAYIMBE:
there is not ONE DeepHouse night in Ibiza. yes there is, lots of deep house dj's play pacha & el divino every summer. [/QUOTE]if your reffering to the baleric/spanish guitar style house, then yes the island (and the summer house tunes) are full of that but what I'm stating is the deep soulful Underground house music. I'm sure there might be an opener who might play some of this but there is not a MAW/King Street Night or a night that headlines Kerri Chandlier or Tony Humphries. that to me is a DeepHouse Night ;) [/QUOTE]well actually MAW play in ibiza a lot, certainly did when I used to go. They would be the headliners for the ministry of sound parties at pacha, I'm pretty certain Tony Humphries has played there too and I can remember going to see kerri play at el divino

not sure if they still happen anymore but there used to be def mix parties at pacha every year too.

So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)

11-30-2003, 05:21 PM

WELL FOLKS, MY ROOMATE WHO JUST HAPPENS TO WORK FOR "AD AGE" MAGAZINE GAVE ME THE THE ARTICLE, ENTITLED "KEEPER OF THE FLAME" circa; SEPT 23, 2002, PUFFY DICUSSES PLANS FOR "GENERATION Y", I SUPPOSED IT INCLUDES DISCUSSION FOR HOUSE MUSIC, IF ANYONE'S INTERSTED, "AND" HERE IS THE LINK TO THE WEB SITE; web page (http://www.blueflamemarketing.com/images/index_01.jpg) THE NAME OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE BLUEFLAME AGENCY IS "JAMEEL SPENCER". MAYBE WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN VOICE OUR OPINIONS AND POSSIBLY GET HIM (AND OF COURSE Y'ALL KNOW PUFFY IS THE "CEO" OF THE AGENCY,) TO FINALLY GET IT RIGHT IN THE PROMOTION AREA OF DANCE MUSIC AS WE KNOW IT FROM WHENCE IT CAME...... smile.gif

Chris Conrad

11-30-2003, 10:12 PM

is it me, or does anyone else on here no take puffy seriously whenever he speaks about anything? in the Mixer interview a year or two back, i didn't take that seriosuly, his commetns were very general and lacking. anytime he's on mtv or wherever, i can't take the man seriously. just watch his marathon special on mtv...he sounds like any other ignorant, generic member of the general public we all deal with on any given day. for someone supposedly so successful and such a business man, he hasn't much of anything intelligent to say about anything. i've never read a puffy interview or saw anythign puffy related on tv that made me think or take notice in any way. he acts like a spoiled kid in a toy shop most of the time, trying to get involved in anything that will make people take notice or point attention to him. he appears to surround himself with staff and businees associates that tell him what to do, what to buy, what to donate to, how to live his life. i just can't take the man seriously, as a business man or musically.

DeesKo

12-01-2003, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Chris Conrad:
is it me, or does anyone else on here no take puffy seriously whenever he speaks about anything? in the Mixer interview a year or two back, i didn't take that seriosuly, his commetns were very general and lacking. anytime he's on mtv or wherever, i can't take the man seriously. just watch his marathon special on mtv...he sounds like any other ignorant, generic member of the general public we all deal with on any given day. for someone supposedly so successful and such a business man, he hasn't much of anything intelligent to say about anything. i've never read a puffy interview or saw anythign puffy related on tv that made me think or take notice in any way. he acts like a spoiled kid in a toy shop most of the time, trying to get involved in anything that will make people take notice or point attention to him. he appears to surround himself with staff and businees associates that tell him what to do, what to buy, what to donate to, how to live his life. i just can't take the man seriously, as a business man or musically. the game's to be sold, not to be told.

peace