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The Buddy Love Show
11-09-2003, 05:54 PM
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions
The Buddy Love Show
11-09-2003, 05:57 PM
and how do i just know some trainspotting fist bouncer is gonna come up with something stupid?
la verde
11-09-2003, 10:31 PM
alright.. it's on, I'll talk you..
hell, this is what I want too.. if house was this, right now, we wouldn't be havin this discussion. house ain't ever gonna be mainstream (= succesfull) because by default, once you made it, you're a sell out. with this type of attitude, how can you surround yourself with people that will help you build a business (whatever it be) successfully. you can't.
To me, house is more about good times than anything. And as I get older, I realize that we make our own good times. house as we came to know it is long gone... ok bye bye...
Querck
11-09-2003, 11:47 PM
I am so happy bullshiit like this this doesn't happen at deep house parties. Sorry, I don't wanna see debauchery. I am way beyond this. Yeah, this is why "house is dead", but I'd rather have it dead than being like that.
alex zen
11-10-2003, 12:04 AM
i don't know. i'm a firm believer of debauchery and hedonism. dance music has a history of sex, drugs, and dancing. one of the reasons i started going to loft parties was because the women were so fine.
Querck
11-10-2003, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by alex zen:
i don't know. i'm a firm believer of debauchery and hedonism. dance music has a history of sex, drugs, and dancing. one of the reasons i started going to loft parties was because the women were so fine. Part of me agrees with you, but my own personal preference is really the other way. I guess I've become "conservative".
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by dannyboy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by alex zen:
i don't know. i'm a firm believer of debauchery and hedonism. dance music has a history of sex, drugs, and dancing. one of the reasons i started going to loft parties was because the women were so fine. Part of me agrees with you, but my own personal preference is really the other way. I guess I've become "conservative". </font>[/QUOTE]Conservative?! "Waiting On My Angel", "I Was Born This Way"...etc...etc...anonanonanon...Sex and House have always gone hand in hand. For Frankie Knuckle's Sake!...JACKIN' is DRY-HUMPING and GRINDING!
Man, when did the granola crowd get involved. The only time I got some "debauchery" was at sets in the House scene. Phew... :rolleyes:
Ron la Rock
11-10-2003, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dannyboy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by alex zen:
i don't know. i'm a firm believer of debauchery and hedonism. dance music has a history of sex, drugs, and dancing. one of the reasons i started going to loft parties was because the women were so fine. Part of me agrees with you, but my own personal preference is really the other way. I guess I've become "conservative". </font>[/QUOTE]Conservative?! "Waiting On My Angel", "I Was Born This Way"...etc...etc...anonanonanon...Sex and House have always gone hand in hand. For Frankie Knuckle's Sake!...JACKIN' is DRY-HUMPING and GRINDING!
Man, when did the granola crowd get involved. The only time I got some "debauchery" was at sets in the House scene. Phew... :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]if you notced in many apost of mine I'm always talking about the new current 'lilith fair vibe' & current heads thats totally taken over house
who really couldn't hang baCK N THE DAYZ
in the raw of it
yes there always been a posotive vibe but the other sh*t that used 2 make THE party has a been a washed away ;)
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Ron paizley:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dannyboy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by alex zen:
i don't know. i'm a firm believer of debauchery and hedonism. dance music has a history of sex, drugs, and dancing. one of the reasons i started going to loft parties was because the women were so fine. Part of me agrees with you, but my own personal preference is really the other way. I guess I've become "conservative". </font>[/QUOTE]Conservative?! "Waiting On My Angel", "I Was Born This Way"...etc...etc...anonanonanon...Sex and House have always gone hand in hand. For Frankie Knuckle's Sake!...JACKIN' is DRY-HUMPING and GRINDING!
Man, when did the granola crowd get involved. The only time I got some "debauchery" was at sets in the House scene. Phew... :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]if you notced in many apost of mine I'm always talking about the new current 'lilith fair vibe' & current heads thats totally taken over house
who really couldn't hang baCK N THE DAYZ
in the raw of it
yes there always been a posotive vibe but the other sh*t that used 2 make THE party has a been a washed away ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Yo - no kiddin'. Wow...all of this sounds really square.
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by dannyboy:
I am so happy bullshiit like this this doesn't happen at deep house parties. Sorry, I don't wanna see debauchery. I am way beyond this. Yeah, this is why "house is dead", but I'd rather have it dead than being like that. you don't wanna see debauchery!!!!!!...i guess you never went to the Paradise Garage on a Saturday nite...but then again that wasn't house, was it?
newbie
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by dannyboy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by alex zen:
i don't know. i'm a firm believer of debauchery and hedonism. dance music has a history of sex, drugs, and dancing. one of the reasons i started going to loft parties was because the women were so fine. Part of me agrees with you, but my own personal preference is really the other way. I guess I've become "conservative". </font>[/QUOTE]Conservative?! "Waiting On My Angel", "I Was Born This Way"...etc...etc...anonanonanon...Sex and House have always gone hand in hand. For Frankie Knuckle's Sake!...JACKIN' is DRY-HUMPING and GRINDING!
Man, when did the granola crowd get involved. The only time I got some "debauchery" was at sets in the House scene. Phew... :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]If it weren't for the debauchery i wouldnt have been feeeeeenin for house parties...sex, drugs and rock and roll...and did i mention sex
sheeeesh
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:08 AM
I actually knew cats who would grind on babes so hard for so long that they'd ejaculate on themselves ( whats that ammonia smell yo)
debauchery...the cat actually decried debauchery !!!!- it is to laugh
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:10 AM
And ladies, don't be demure, cause the asses and crotches i was riding were yours
Got to give it up baby!
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by la verde:
alright.. it's on, I'll talk you..
hell, this is what I want too.. if house was this, right now, we wouldn't be havin this discussion. house ain't ever gonna be mainstream (= succesfull) because by default, once you made it, you're a sell out. with this type of attitude, how can you surround yourself with people that will help you build a business (whatever it be) successfully. you can't.
To me, house is more about good times than anything. And as I get older, I realize that we make our own good times. house as we came to know it is long gone... ok bye bye... Those pics are what house use ta be more like than not....somewhere along the line the game seemed to glorify the "realness" of those who looked like they got caught in an explosion at a ragpickers convention.....back in the day even when we wore our parachutes, or cycle shorts, or anti vesicant jackest it was about the gala being more gay thru costume!
( I use the word gay in its 19th century usage - happy, as in happy to be having sex with other men bwahahahahaha)
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by la verde:
house ain't ever gonna be mainstream (= succesfull) because by default,UK charts
JANUARY 1987 - NUMBER 1 MAINSTREAM CHARTS - J M SILK - JACK YOUR BODY.
I think this is where USA, (which this post is aimed at) and Europe differ.
Magus, I agree to see some ass would be nice, but the above pic looks like someone has payed some lapdancers to come to the party, they ain't dancing they are showing ass, don't see any sweating - just posing !.
In the UK this would resemble a footballers party with loads of snooty women in the crowd, present for some luxury action at someone elses expense, we call them coke hoars.
[ November 10, 2003, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by la verde:
house ain't ever gonna be mainstream (= succesfull) because by default,JANUARY 1987 - NUMBER 1 MAINSTREAM CHARTS - J M SILK - JACK YOUR BODY.
I think this is where USA, (which this post is aimed at) and Europe differ.
Magus, I agree to see some ass would be nice, but the above pic looks like someone has payed some lapdancers to come to the party, they ain't dancing they are showing ass, don't see any sweating - just posing !.
In the UK this would resemble a footballers party with loads of snooty women in the crowd, present for some luxury action at someone elses expense, we call them coke hoars. </font>[/QUOTE]Yo...i've been to some of these parties and can say that other than the dancers in one pic these are all regular chicks who get nasssssty ( the way i LIKE it) at nightclubs...
btw...i like coke whores ( especially if i have coke...pepsi is just to generation x)
I agree with Dannyboy that I don't need to see some of this stuff (not all the pics, but at least some are pathetic) at a deephouse party..And I would most defenitly not be interested in going to a party where most people seem to be posers, like Martin Red mentionned..
just my 2 cents..
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by lyot:
I agree with Dannyboy that I don't need to see some of this stuff (not all the pics, but at least some are pathetic) at a deephouse party..And I would most defenitly not be interested in going to a party where most people seem to be posers, like Martin Red mentionned..
just my 2 cents.. So if your not sweaty and doing face dives - then you're a poser, another exhibit as to why house is dead
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
So if your not sweaty and doing face dives - then you're a poser, another exhibit as to why house is dead Poser - Not necessarily, but those chicks look like they are feeling the camera lense more than the music.
In fact they look like they dressed for the camera aswell, we have these in the UK aswell I call em Mixmag whores
;)
[ November 10, 2003, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]
hahahaha @ Mixmag whores.. Muzik also had a tendency to put some of these fine examples in their magazine..
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by lyot:
hahahaha @ Mixmag whores.. Muzik also had a tendency to put some of these fine examples in their magazine.. true, was especially popular in UK when "Glamorous clubbing" was in vogue. This undone alot of the goodness that the house/techno scene completed and seen UK clubland return to the era of stupid doormen with a list of rules, clubs like "Miss Moneypennys" checking the label of your clothes. The clubs that mainly did this where more Hardhouse, you would have a parade around the club, literally. People awaiting the photographer to turn up so they could go home before they got sweaty or before anything spilled on their expensive clothing.
O'love
11-10-2003, 09:17 AM
when kerri was DJ'ing last friday in Utrecht it was the same sad thing..... i was dancing my ass off and i had enough room, but when it started getting very crowded around me it was always when a photographer was standing there (it was a sponsored event) and people where actually begging to be photographed..... they weren't dancing, only posing around....pathetic..on the other hand: they're paying kerri's bill's ;)
Olaf
discofan
11-10-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions ahaha come on in Sofia's club "chervillo" [it's mean "lipsstick" on English"],overhere house and debauchery are mixed:)
[ November 11, 2003, 07:13 AM: Message edited by: discofan ]
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 09:43 AM
why is it that when the despised can't cut it thats when they resort to bullshit classism
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 10:11 AM
What's wrong with stopping to take pictures?! Isn't one of the longest termed threads on the board called WE WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE?
If house ain't broke and beggin', its PURITANICAL. Wow. I know we had church on the DHP all weekend, but can we start the week with some cognitive thinking and free association please?
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 10:18 AM
Think back to when house was strong, did it look like a Playboy Mansion party complete with Bunny girls
Y or N ?
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
What's wrong with stopping to take pictures?! Isn't one of the longest termed threads on the board called WE WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE?
If house ain't broke and beggin', its PURITANICAL. Wow. I know we had church on the DHP all weekend, but can we start the week with some cognitive thinking and free association please? a nice parry and deft riposte!
Puritanical - yes that's the word right there...and we varlets hath dared incurred the wrath of yon townsfolk
zoiks
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
Think back to when house was strong, did it look like a Playboy Mansion party complete with Bunny girls
Y or N ? yes...in fact one of the deepest of deep house dj's has some playboy titled and endorsed cd's
His name; DJ Dmitri - but I guess he ain't house
come on guys think before you write, you make this far too easy....that one was from top of head
NEXT!
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
What's wrong with stopping to take pictures?! Isn't one of the longest termed threads on the board called WE WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE?
If house ain't broke and beggin', its PURITANICAL. Wow. I know we had church on the DHP all weekend, but can we start the week with some cognitive thinking and free association please? a nice parry and deft riposte!
Puritanical - yes that's the word right there...and we varlets hath dared incurred the wrath of yon townsfolk
zoiks </font>[/QUOTE]Every "classic" cited by so many "house heads" extolls notions of unbridling passions and freeing yourself from constraint. Somewhere, the House "scene" became an outsider/alternative haven.
The "scene" is now full of unassertive characters who have removed from its environment anything that they were rejected by on the mainstream side.
See...this is how it works...the nerdiest nerd in the world had a chance at being a player in the House that Jack Built.
It's like when I recently checked Roy Hargrove at UCLA last month. Funk beyond funk...and I had to enjoy it in a classroom setting. FCUK! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 10:32 AM
Puritanical I am not.
http://www.techno.de/mixmag/98.02/Moneypenny/Moneypenny.2.jpg
Wow ! look girls, that club must be fabulous right.
http://www.techno.de/mixmag/98.02/Moneypenny/Moneypenny.1.jpg
Throw in a cross dresser as a welcomer and instantly great hedonistic party vibe.
like out of Whams club tropicana video....
club tropicano drinks are.... 32 euros
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:32 AM
House classic: Baby wants to Ride
But since house ain't about debauchery I guess he was talking about the F Train...or is that the D-Train
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
House classic: Baby wants to Ride
But since house ain't about debauchery I guess he was talking about the F Train...or is that the D-Train I think he meant the "C" train...bwahahahahaha..."HEAD" car...or maybe "TAIL"...bwahahahahaha
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
Puritanical I am not.
http://www.techno.de/mixmag/98.02/Moneypenny/Moneypenny.2.jpg
Wow ! look girls, that club must be fabulous right.
http://www.techno.de/mixmag/98.02/Moneypenny/Moneypenny.1.jpg
Throw in a cross dresser as a welcomer and instantly great hedonistic party vibe.
like out of Whams club tropicana video....
club tropicano drinks are.... 32 euros I guess since you can't refute my point it. is best to change direction
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Think back to when house was strong, did it look like a Playboy Mansion party complete with Bunny girls
Y or N ? yes...in fact one of the deepest of deep house dj's has some playboy titled and endorsed cd's
His name; DJ Dmitri - but I guess he ain't house
come on guys think before you write, you make this far too easy....that one was from top of head
NEXT! </font>[/QUOTE]"when house was strong" so I was thinking back a bit farther.
House was no Playboy shit round these parts in the 80's.
A Dimitri CD, you gotta do better than that !
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:37 AM
Push Push in the Bush
Hot Shot
San Francisco
I Can't get Enough
Do it Properly
I could go on for days
NEXT!
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
House classic: Baby wants to Ride
But since house ain't about debauchery I guess he was talking about the F Train...or is that the D-Train Baby wants to ride ..for love.
and not baby wants to dress like a high paid escort girl.
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 10:41 AM
Your connected titles of older House songs to make sense of some pictures of what to me looks like a lapdancing club
graemlins/conf44.gif
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:43 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Think back to when house was strong, did it look like a Playboy Mansion party complete with Bunny girls
Y or N ? yes...in fact one of the deepest of deep house dj's has some playboy titled and endorsed cd's
His name; DJ Dmitri - but I guess he ain't house
come on guys think before you write, you make this far too easy....that one was from top of head
NEXT! </font>[/QUOTE]"when house was strong" so I was thinking back a bit farther.
House was no Playboy shit round these parts in the 80's.
A Dimitri CD, you gotta do better than that ! </font>[/QUOTE]When "House was strong"
Ya mean like when Larry played at the Garage with the Jaggers, Grace Jones Madonna, Frankie Crocker, Chic...think carefully there are witnesses
Or When Larry played at Studio 54
Or when Morales played at Red Zone
Or when Gail "Sky" King played at Red Parrot
Hows about Les Mouuches, Club 88 in Jersey, Danceteria, the Ritz ( tangential at best but there) The World, Mars..Eric Goodes clubs (Area, Mks...ooh added bonus, Soul Boys used to do there seminal parties with Mr Goode)
damn...going to school on ya off the top of my head
ya wanna keep going..or will ya try and assert house wasn't "strong" then...cause i'm in the 80's right now and can go back further
martin
11-10-2003, 10:44 AM
Unfortunately debauchery is missing in UK house clubs. Up till nearly 10 years ago gay clubs were still playing good music: Fruit Machine and Queer Nation being 2 that particularly stick in the memory. The more debauched were a lot of fun (particularly Trade and Kinky Gerlinky) but the music wasn't usually as good. But gay clubs playing quality house are somewhat of a rarity these days. Straight clubs sometimes are just a little bit too .... well, straight. I don't understand those who don't see it as all part of the experience whether you partook of what was going on or not - to each their own. Just my opinion tho'
Bring down the walls!
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
House classic: Baby wants to Ride
But since house ain't about debauchery I guess he was talking about the F Train...or is that the D-Train Baby wants to ride ..for love.
and not baby wants to dress like a high paid escort girl. </font>[/QUOTE]Ride what...her tricycle while we play pattycake?
stop clowning yourself
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
Your connected titles of older House songs to make sense of some pictures of what to me looks like a lapdancing club
graemlins/conf44.gif Batting .000
notice the well dressed black patrons, well here in this city tthey don't turn out like that at lapdancing clubs
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
House classic: Baby wants to Ride
But since house ain't about debauchery I guess he was talking about the F Train...or is that the D-Train Baby wants to ride ..for love.
and not baby wants to dress like a high paid escort girl. </font>[/QUOTE]PS...high paid escort girls don't dress like these....ever heard the one about the fox and the grapes
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
stop clowning yourself I am not clowing myself, how could I, just saying what I see through my own eyes. You are a club owner in New York see it your way.
Yep Mark !your right the future of House is pre-posed shots of women in little clothing, perhaps the women can keep these pics memento of their body beutifull days when they are old hags.
Your right Mark, SHOULD DO A CARBON COPY hip Hop, get dem hoes up in their , that's the way House will become better and much improved.
:rolleyes:
[ November 10, 2003, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
stop clowning yourself I am not clowing myself, how could I, just saying what I see through my own eyes. You are a club owner in New York see it your way.
Yep Mark !your right the future of House is pre-posed shots of women in little clothing, perhaps the women can keep these pics memento of their body beutifull days when they are old hags.
Your right Mark, SHOULD DO A CARBON COPY hip Hop, get dem hoes up in their , that's the way House will become better and much improved.
:rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]ya damn sure are clowning yourself...the rest of the Jamie Principle song talks about " so many positions, some you can't find in a book you know"...ya think he's talking Greco Roman wrestling
why don't you stay on point
you couldn't refute my last point about when house was "strong" so now ya jump around AGAIN
weak rhetorical skills havin....
as to your points about seeing shit my way...i just am staing FACTS that you have yet to contradict
Your appeal to some kind of class warfare shows me that ya have very little to say that would refute my points
Clubs have always been where beautiful young people and lecherous old ones went to enjoy beauty, drugs, sex and music...it was true for F Scott Fitzgerald and his generation and it is still true today - get over it
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
...the rest of the Jamie Principle song talks about " so many positions, some you can't find in a book you know"...ya think he's talking Greco Roman wrestling
So because Jamie is talking about getting freaky does this mean that clubbing fifteen years later should be seen to be better becuase a few naked chicks are posing, I don't think so.
He also made "your love" and "rebels"
Does this mean we should have ex girlfriends who are members of the real IRA also portrayed in club shots also ?
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
you couldn't refute my last point about when house was "strong" so now ya jump around AGAIN ...and Hip Hop was born from glamorous clubs or Herc parties ?
House clubs
Are we talking House or Disco, Studio 54 probably being the worst example, but that was a disco club wasn't it.
What about Chicago's Muzik Box, was that a place for glamorous clubbing I wonder ?.
UK wise, Hacienda will be remembered as a better club than the Wag I reckon.
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Your appeal to some kind of class warfare shows me that ya have very little to say that would refute my points
Clubs have always been where beautiful young people and lecherous old ones went to enjoy beauty, drugs, sex and music...it was true for F Scott Fitzgerald and his generation and it is still true today - get over it Well the glamorous clubbers that swanked around with a fist full of $'s with their B list celebrity friends have come a crashing down here Mark. The people that where giving it the Sexy glamorous bullshit a few years back are desperalty spending money re-marketing themselves as the arse has prolasped from that market, so one year they are checking you labels and looking down their nose at you, now where are they ? - begging you to come to their venue, do you think they have made many long lasting members, no.
...flavour of the months, they chose a fickle crowd and they can see that now, too little too late, all this while other clubs flourish.
That marketed Sexy designer glamorous chic fashionista clubbing is old hat once more, people got real tired real quick here, people wore it like a dress and discarded it once it was over a year old some people only wore it once, not sure about New York perhaps these type of club will always last their ?, you tell me please.
[ November 10, 2003, 12:10 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 12:11 PM
"
Opt-in subscriber e-mail addresses from Mixmag - a community base for clubbers which allows them to share their experiences through photos and clubbing gossip to depict an exciting, glamorous and sexy lifestyle. "
"exciting, glamorous and sexy lifestyle"
:rolleyes:
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People are running out of ideas, such a shame it's reduced to such bullshit !
[ November 10, 2003, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]
If what you want in the States is what the UK has experienced in the last -let's say 5-6 years- , like described here by Martin Red, then I really do not see how this would be good for the future of house..It would be good for single persons willing to make big $, but wtf does this have to do with progess? You're all caught up too much in your f.cking linear world image..Growth, progress, becoming bigger and more succesfull..Learn to see that not everyone thinks like that because you guys are giving me a headache..
greetings
JR JAM
11-10-2003, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
PS...high paid escort girls don't dress like these....ever heard the one about the fox and the grapes Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
...the rest of the Jamie Principle song talks about " so many positions, some you can't find in a book you know"...ya think he's talking Greco Roman wrestling
So because Jamie is talking about getting freaky does this mean that clubbing fifteen years later should be seen to be better becuase a few naked chicks are posing, I don't think so.
He also made "your love" and "rebels"
Does this mean we should have ex girlfriends who are members of the real IRA also portrayed in club shots also ?
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
you couldn't refute my last point about when house was "strong" so now ya jump around AGAIN ...and Hip Hop was born from glamorous clubs or Herc parties ?
House clubs
Are we talking House or Disco, Studio 54 probably being the worst example, but that was a disco club wasn't it.
What about Chicago's Muzik Box, was that a place for glamorous clubbing I wonder ?.
UK wise, Hacienda will be remembered as a better club than the Wag I reckon.
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Your appeal to some kind of class warfare shows me that ya have very little to say that would refute my points
Clubs have always been where beautiful young people and lecherous old ones went to enjoy beauty, drugs, sex and music...it was true for F Scott Fitzgerald and his generation and it is still true today - get over it Well the glamorous clubbers that swanked around with a fist full of $'s with their B list celebrity friends have come a crashing down here Mark. The people that where giving it the Sexy glamorous bullshit a few years back are desperalty spending money re-marketing themselves as the arse has prolasped from that market, so one year they are checking you labels and looking down their nose at you, now where are they ? - begging you to come to their venue, do you think they have made many long lasting members, no.
...flavour of the months, they chose a fickle crowd and they can see that now, too little too late, all this while other clubs flourish.
That marketed Sexy designer glamorous chic fashionista clubbing is old hat once more, people got real tired real quick here, people wore it like a dress and discarded it once it was over a year old some people only wore it once, not sure about New York perhaps these type of club will always last their ?, you tell me please. </font>[/QUOTE]It took you over an hour to come up with THIS?
Whatcha do consult the experts at the British Ministry of Boiled Beef, Buck teeth and Trainspotting
First; Jamie Principle addressed the point I made about debauchery and house - You front as if there is/was none and i refuted with the JP song which is about FCUKING just because he made other songs is irrelevant - the FACT that this is his ANTHEM is damning
Second, Mike Barnes is the most proper hiphop historian but I went to enough L brothers parties and Parties/Shootouts at the Diplomat to tell ya that folks ALLWAYS got jiggy at HipHop events with Kangols, Cazals, Fedoras, Gabardines, Quaterfeilds, Pressed and Strched Lees to let others know that even though we weer ghetto we were fabulous - learn some history son
Third, most of the peeps at parties like Pangea, Dorsia, Rehab, Supper Club aint glamorous at all ( ESPECIALLY the men with their trucker hats and faded jeans)....Your class argument is probably tired in England and definitely not true here
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by lyot:
If what you want in the States is what the UK has experienced in the last -let's say 5-6 years- , like described here by Martin Red, then I really do not see how this would be good for the future of house..It would be good for single persons willing to make big $, but wtf does this have to do with progess? You're all caught up too much in your f.cking linear world image..Growth, progress, becoming bigger and more succesfull..Learn to see that not everyone thinks like that because you guys are giving me a headache..
greetings If it werent for american growth and progress ideals you fast surrendering frogs would be speaking German 2 times over Herr Lyot, n'est pas?
MusicFilter
11-10-2003, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I actually knew cats who would grind on babes so hard for so long that they'd ejaculate on themselves ( whats that ammonia smell yo)
debauchery...the cat actually decried debauchery !!!!- it is to laugh graemlins/lol.gif icon_rofl.gif
la verde
11-10-2003, 12:48 PM
[/qb]Yo...i've been to some of these parties and can say that other than the dancers in one pic these are all regular chicks who get nasssssty ( the way i LIKE it) at nightclubs...
btw...i like coke whores ( especially if i have coke...pepsi is just to generation x) [/QB][/QUOTE]
graemlins/rofl5.gif man, I've been to parties when as soon as you walk in you can smell the pussy... c'mon people, if the women are there the party is on! you can keep the pg-13 house, leave the XXX house for me.. yeah and i'll throw some to magus, he's down.
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
If what you want in the States is what the UK has experienced in the last -let's say 5-6 years- , like described here by Martin Red, then I really do not see how this would be good for the future of house..It would be good for single persons willing to make big $, but wtf does this have to do with progess? You're all caught up too much in your f.cking linear world image..Growth, progress, becoming bigger and more succesfull..Learn to see that not everyone thinks like that because you guys are giving me a headache..
greetings If it werent for american growth and progress ideals you fast surrendering frogs would be speaking German 2 times over Herr Lyot, n'est pas? </font>[/QUOTE]aaauuuwch, what a nice platitude Magus !
jimmymack-2000
11-10-2003, 12:55 PM
All the back-and-forth about scantily clad women touches on a very important point: house is very, VERY political.
House may have been about jacking, etc., but I'm not sure anyone would have ever said it was about sexual exploitation. The R. Kelly/"where my bitches?" aspects of R&B/rap/"urban dance"/whatever are most definitely at odds with house's politic of respect.
I think that's why you're getting people saying "I don't want my house event to look like those pictures"--because that kind of atmosphere usually yields GHB slipped into women's drinks and drunken brawls in the parking lot...
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by lyot:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
If what you want in the States is what the UK has experienced in the last -let's say 5-6 years- , like described here by Martin Red, then I really do not see how this would be good for the future of house..It would be good for single persons willing to make big $, but wtf does this have to do with progess? You're all caught up too much in your f.cking linear world image..Growth, progress, becoming bigger and more succesfull..Learn to see that not everyone thinks like that because you guys are giving me a headache..
greetings If it werent for american growth and progress ideals you fast surrendering frogs would be speaking German 2 times over Herr Lyot, n'est pas? </font>[/QUOTE]aaauuuwch, what a nice platitude Magus ! </font>[/QUOTE]Vive la Resistance!
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
All the back-and-forth about scantily clad women touches on a very important point: house is very, VERY political.
House may have been about jacking, etc., but I'm not sure anyone would have ever said it was about sexual exploitation. The R. Kelly/"where my bitches?" aspects of R&B/rap/"urban dance"/whatever are most definitely at odds with house's politic of respect.
I think that's why you're getting people saying "I don't want my house event to look like those pictures"--because that kind of atmosphere usually yields GHB slipped into women's drinks and drunken brawls in the parking lot... I can remember Liz Torres wiping her crotch and throwing the towel to the audience
I can remember chicks getting ****ed behind speakers and next to stages
I can remember CeCe Rogers humping some chick on stage while singing "Someday"
I remember all these things vividly..so lets all not get righteous now
[ November 10, 2003, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: St Magus the Reviled ]
Drrtynewyork
11-10-2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
All the back-and-forth about scantily clad women touches on a very important point: house is very, VERY political.
House may have been about jacking, etc., but I'm not sure anyone would have ever said it was about sexual exploitation. The R. Kelly/"where my bitches?" aspects of R&B/rap/"urban dance"/whatever are most definitely at odds with house's politic of respect.
I think that's why you're getting people saying "I don't want my house event to look like those pictures"--because that kind of atmosphere usually yields GHB slipped into women's drinks and drunken brawls in the parking lot... House has no politic of respect. House has an ethic of "live and let live".
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Th e bottom line = House clubs for the "dancing" hiphop/pop clubs for the women!
And folks on the scene ai'nt seen this folk in a while
la verde
11-10-2003, 01:05 PM
"live and let live". [/QB]and I say...amen to that!
Monny JcIntosh
11-10-2003, 01:09 PM
Take into account mis-translations across the Atlantic and you might notice that much of this "argument" is about two different conclusions. Different symptoms of the same disease.
Drrtynewyork
11-10-2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Th e bottom line = House clubs for the "dancing" hiphop/pop clubs for the women!
And folks on the scene ai'nt seen this folk in a while </font>[/QUOTE]that why i always say :
no women = no drinking. thats why house clubs dont make money at the bar.
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Th e bottom line = House clubs for the "dancing" hiphop/pop clubs for the women!
And folks on the scene ai'nt seen this folk in a while </font>[/QUOTE]that why i always say :
no women = no drinking. thats why house clubs dont make money at the bar. </font>[/QUOTE]You are right..its become a boys club..i gotta be around some girls - i just gotta...call me crazy but, I GOTTA
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Th e bottom line = House clubs for the "dancing" hiphop/pop clubs for the women!
And folks on the scene ai'nt seen this folk in a while </font>[/QUOTE]that why i always say :
no women = no drinking. thats why house clubs dont make money at the bar. </font>[/QUOTE]You are right..its become a boys club..i gotta be around some girls - i just gotta...call me crazy but, I GOTTA </font>[/QUOTE]are there really that little women around ? I gotta be around some girls to, Magus, so I sympathise with you..Overhere, even if the scene is very small, there are always women around ? I've never been to a party with no women available..But my point is that you need to focus on people who are into the music at least a bit, and not attract the posers who just go out to be seen and for nothing else..
greetings
Querck
11-10-2003, 01:18 PM
Magus, I've had enough of yout rhetoric. I GET your point. It's a good point. I didn't say I disagree, but that's not what I'm about personally, therefore I don't have a problem with the absence of debauchery at house parties.
And yes, I was never at the Paradise Garage. I am actually in the generation that was supposedly lost to house.
Drrtynewyork
11-10-2003, 01:22 PM
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men!
Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men! So many men so little time what can I do.... graemlins/bolt.gif
Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men! Read the same interview.
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men! So many men so little time what can I do.... graemlins/bolt.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Poser...
Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men! So many men so little time what can I do.... graemlins/bolt.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Poser... </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/tongueout.gif
Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men! So many men so little time what can I do.... graemlins/bolt.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Poser... </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/tongueout.gif </font>[/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/smilies/focking.gif
Dj Pat
11-10-2003, 01:33 PM
Ive been to a lot of Club's in my life time.
Basicly to me, there all the same.
It's been plenty of Times when I wen t to the Old Music Box (326) and 22 & Michigan and seen sex on the flore!
There is realy isnt anything wrong with whatever you do or how you do it, as long as your safe.
But I dont see what's the big deal about posting anything up here like that.
Every man/woman on DHP got there Grind on with someone at a club, it's nothing new.
It's nothing new showing pic's of woman and men grinding or in some raunchy Pose that mite catch your eye if you like it or not.
Sex sales in the 90's and continue to do so in 2000's. That's just a fact of life and longivity for most club's thats out there in this day and age.
I think the pic's are hot and they show that people haveing a good time...they seem equal as we try to be on DHP.
I just find it funny that people who know they done wrong in the past in a club want to Critique others. :rolleyes:
Dj Pat
Physical Heat Music co.
quentin2bott
11-10-2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]I agree it's all gone. All stolen by Rap/R&B.
I love house, i have however come to admit that people want lyrics, love lyrics, need lyrics, meaningful lyrics. That's the main achievement of Rap. Also they are more women artists in rap and that's why girls do turn out to theses parties. 1. they can indentify themselves in that music and 2. the guys are hot.
Where do we go from here?? how can we get theses lovely chicks back in da house ?? ?? ;)
[ November 10, 2003, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: quentin2bott ]
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
...the rest of the Jamie Principle song talks about " so many positions, some you can't find in a book you know"...ya think he's talking Greco Roman wrestling
So because Jamie is talking about getting freaky does this mean that clubbing fifteen years later should be seen to be better becuase a few naked chicks are posing, I don't think so.
He also made "your love" and "rebels"
Does this mean we should have ex girlfriends who are members of the real IRA also portrayed in club shots also ?
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
you couldn't refute my last point about when house was "strong" so now ya jump around AGAIN ...and Hip Hop was born from glamorous clubs or Herc parties ?
House clubs
Are we talking House or Disco, Studio 54 probably being the worst example, but that was a disco club wasn't it.
What about Chicago's Muzik Box, was that a place for glamorous clubbing I wonder ?.
UK wise, Hacienda will be remembered as a better club than the Wag I reckon.
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Your appeal to some kind of class warfare shows me that ya have very little to say that would refute my points
Clubs have always been where beautiful young people and lecherous old ones went to enjoy beauty, drugs, sex and music...it was true for F Scott Fitzgerald and his generation and it is still true today - get over it Well the glamorous clubbers that swanked around with a fist full of $'s with their B list celebrity friends have come a crashing down here Mark. The people that where giving it the Sexy glamorous bullshit a few years back are desperalty spending money re-marketing themselves as the arse has prolasped from that market, so one year they are checking you labels and looking down their nose at you, now where are they ? - begging you to come to their venue, do you think they have made many long lasting members, no.
...flavour of the months, they chose a fickle crowd and they can see that now, too little too late, all this while other clubs flourish.
That marketed Sexy designer glamorous chic fashionista clubbing is old hat once more, people got real tired real quick here, people wore it like a dress and discarded it once it was over a year old some people only wore it once, not sure about New York perhaps these type of club will always last their ?, you tell me please. </font>[/QUOTE]It took you over an hour to come up with THIS?
Whatcha do consult the experts at the British Ministry of Boiled Beef, Buck teeth and Trainspotting
First; Jamie Principle addressed the point I made about debauchery and house - You front as if there is/was none and i refuted with the JP song which is about FCUKING just because he made other songs is irrelevant - the FACT that this is his ANTHEM is damning
Second, Mike Barnes is the most proper hiphop historian but I went to enough L brothers parties and Parties/Shootouts at the Diplomat to tell ya that folks ALLWAYS got jiggy at HipHop events with Kangols, Cazals, Fedoras, Gabardines, Quaterfeilds, Pressed and Strched Lees to let others know that even though we weer ghetto we were fabulous - learn some history son
Third, most of the peeps at parties like Pangea, Dorsia, Rehab, Supper Club aint glamorous at all ( ESPECIALLY the men with their trucker hats and faded jeans)....Your class argument is probably tired in England and definitely not true here </font>[/QUOTE]The class sytem in the UK was already in fixed in place way before I was born, and probably hasn't tired here quite yet, but we digress.
No it didn't take an hour, I just wasn't sitting on the board, us working folk , have to errrm, work.
"This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop"
House = no ass
right
no ass house in NY, can this be changed ?
so, actually, house doesn't need new labels, new producers or a new market for their products.. as long as the women come the club, there's no problem.. Right ?
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
Take into account mis-translations across the Atlantic and you might notice that much of this "argument" is about two different conclusions. Different symptoms of the same disease. smile.gif
la verde
11-10-2003, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by lyot:
so, actually, house doesn't need new labels, new producers or a new market for their products.. as long as the women come the club, there's no problem.. Right ? man, house is house, as long as women come to the club there is no problem- You are right!
Bold Soul
11-10-2003, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by quentin2bott:
I agree it's all gone. All stolen by Rap/R&B.
I love house, i have however come to admit that people want lyrics, love lyrics, need lyrics, meaningful lyrics. That's the main achievement of Rap. Also they are more women artists in rap and that's why girls do turn out to theses parties. 1. they can indentify themselves in that music and 2. the guys are hot.
Where do we go from here?? how can we get theses lovely chicks back in da house ?? ?? ;) Damn...this is a well thought point of view. You hit on some real points here.
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 01:57 PM
lyot
friend went to a UR party in London, he told me - wall to wall man, music was unbelievable
Originally posted by lyot:
so, actually, house doesn't need new labels, new producers or a new market for their products.. as long as the women come the club, there's no problem.. Right ?
Martin Red
11-10-2003, 01:59 PM
..i don't think he scored that night ???? graemlins/rofl5.gif
[ November 10, 2003, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: Martin Red ]
Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
I remember reading an intervew with Bobby Konders.
he said it himself. back when he djed/produced house it was packed with women, now its just men! So many men so little time what can I do.... graemlins/bolt.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Poser... </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/tongueout.gif </font>[/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/smilies/focking.gif </font>[/QUOTE]http://deephousepage.com/smilies/kickbut.gif
Originally posted by MYOR:
E] http://deephousepage.com/smilies/kickbut.gif TRUCE!
Originally posted by TAC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MYOR:
E] http://deephousepage.com/smilies/kickbut.gif TRUCE! </font>[/QUOTE]graemlins/thumbsup.gif Truce
The Buddy Love Show
11-10-2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Martin Red:
lyot
friend went to a UR party in London, he told me - wall to wall man, music was unbelievable
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by lyot:
so, actually, house doesn't need new labels, new producers or a new market for their products.. as long as the women come the club, there's no problem.. Right ? </font>[/QUOTE]At least there wasn't any glamour!
Martin, I aint trying to dog ya...its just that there are some serious problems with house music and hat you describe is one of them...who wants to go to a party with no women?...errrr uhh - you get my meaning!
O'love
11-10-2003, 05:09 PM
is it really a man-thing in the states? as lyot already mentioned, over here in the Netherlands (belgium i guess too) it's at least 50% females at parties...
when i look at those pictures: those are some cheap trashy looking women.... not my kind of style, definately.....i wouldn't like to be at a party where those kind of women are showing of for a photographer...... mmmm this is starting to remind me of the US girl in france thread idancetoomuch posted a few days ago..is there really such a big difference in what people expect at a good party between the US and Europe?
Olaf
la verde
11-10-2003, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by O'love:
is it really a man-thing in the states? as lyot already mentioned, over here in the Netherlands (belgium i guess too) it's at least 50% females at parties...
when i look at those pictures: those are some cheap trashy looking women.... not my kind of style, definately.....i wouldn't like to be at a party where those kind of women are showing of for a photographer...... mmmm this is starting to remind me of the US girl in france thread idancetoomuch posted a few days ago..is there really such a big difference in what people expect at a good party between the US and Europe?
Olaf yes.. it really is a man thing in the US. europe is a completely different story.
as far as the chicks, well maybe your looking with european eyes.. they look good to go to me... i'd put them up to the skinny euro chicks and then some!
Huey P. Freeman
11-10-2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by quentin2bott:
I agree it's all gone. All stolen by Rap/R&B.
I love house, i have however come to admit that people want lyrics, love lyrics, need lyrics, meaningful lyrics. That's the main achievement of Rap. Also they are more women artists in rap and that's why girls do turn out to theses parties. 1. they can indentify themselves in that music and 2. the guys are hot.
Where do we go from here?? how can we get theses lovely chicks back in da house ?? ?? ;) Damn...this is a well thought point of view. You hit on some real points here. </font>[/QUOTE]Yup the music playing on the radio has deep meaningful lyrics. That's what sells deep meaningful lyrics. graemlins/rofl.gif
O'love
11-11-2003, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by la verde:
as far as the chicks, well maybe your looking with european eyes.. they look good to go to me... i'd put them up to the skinny euro chicks and then some! i am not really talking about the outside (i am not into skinny girls either) but about the "attitude" they show in the pictures....but then again, taste is a very subjective thing ;)
Olaf
Ron la Rock
11-11-2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Martin Red:
Think back to when house was strong, did it look like a Playboy Mansion party complete with Bunny girls
Y or N ? yes...in fact one of the deepest of deep house dj's has some playboy titled and endorsed cd's
His name; DJ Dmitri - but I guess he ain't house
come on guys think before you write, you make this far too easy....that one was from top of head
NEXT! </font>[/QUOTE]"when house was strong" so I was thinking back a bit farther.
House was no Playboy shit round these parts in the 80's.
A Dimitri CD, you gotta do better than that ! </font>[/QUOTE]When "House was strong"
Ya mean like when Larry played at the Garage with the Jaggers, Grace Jones Madonna, Frankie Crocker, Chic...think carefully there are witnesses
Or When Larry played at Studio 54
Or when Morales played at Red Zone
Or when Gail "Sky" King played at Red Parrot
Hows about Les Mouuches, Club 88 in Jersey, Danceteria, the Ritz ( tangential at best but there) The World, Mars..Eric Goodes clubs (Area, Mks...ooh added bonus, Soul Boys used to do there seminal parties with Mr Goode)
damn...going to school on ya off the top of my head
ya wanna keep going..or will ya try and assert house wasn't "strong" then...cause i'm in the 80's right now and can go back further </font>[/QUOTE]easy soldier ya talkin about my school of training
(but shhh the lilith fair/internethousheadz always romanticize this era but the real deal graemlins/bolt.gif would have had them running out the door!)!
funny ron, people are tripping about such lame stuff, i can't tell you how many times i saw sex acts on the dance floor, back in the day
Ron la Rock
11-11-2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
All the back-and-forth about scantily clad women touches on a very important point: house is very, VERY political.
House may have been about jacking, etc., but I'm not sure anyone would have ever said it was about sexual exploitation. The R. Kelly/"where my bitches?" aspects of R&B/rap/"urban dance"/whatever are most definitely at odds with house's politic of respect.
I think that's why you're getting people saying "I don't want my house event to look like those pictures"--because that kind of atmosphere usually yields GHB slipped into women's drinks and drunken brawls in the parking lot...
"theres some hoes in this house"
it actually can lead 2 an actual party and not a geek fest too!
Jolyon
11-11-2003, 03:18 PM
I can say with my hand on my heart. Not since the age of about 15 or 16 have I gone to a club with any thought of how many girls will be at a venue or what any one is wearing - sexy or not. I go out to dance or enjoy a nice chat with friends...
personally i don't think the 'death' of house has anything to do with the lack of sexy girls at a venue.
Ron la Rock
11-11-2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
funny ron, people are tripping about such lame stuff, i can't tell you how many times i saw sex acts on the dance floor, back in the day I'm soon 2 start talking about what i used 2 see at house events on the REG graemlins/spanka.gif graemlins/cool_shades.gif
(even the shelter graemlins/bolt.gif )
hey LIL RAY you almost keeping it real
well I'm bout 2 go there all true confessions in a sec
bout 2 get reeeeaaaalllll ugly or REAL
H O U S E
Ron la Rock
11-11-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DOUG GOMEZ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
This is what young america wants and they can only get it at clubs that predominately play hiphop:
http://nyc.allnightclubs.com/gallery.php?mainact=top10
By the way, this is what older america wants too
Any questions this was house back in 1990, those days are long gone graemlins/mecry.gif </font>[/QUOTE]Th e bottom line = House clubs for the "dancing" hiphop/pop clubs for the women!
And folks on the scene ai'nt seen this folk in a while </font>[/QUOTE]that why i always say :
no women = no drinking. thats why house clubs dont make money at the bar. </font>[/QUOTE]You are right..its become a boys club..i gotta be around some girls - i just gotta...call me crazy but, I GOTTA </font>[/QUOTE]the real pert is that its not even GAY boys and thier sense of drama and dabauchery AR15firing.gif
now its just
internet geeks lookin 4 some well programed beatz
so they have the alternative hiphop and no mo rave now
so they can say thier
"house"
Ron la Rock
11-11-2003, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Jolyon:
I can say with my hand on my heart. Not since the age of about 15 or 16 have I gone to a club with any thought of how many girls will be at a venue or what any one is wearing - sexy or not. I go out to dance or enjoy a nice chat with friends...
personally i don't think the 'death' of house has anything to do with the lack of sexy girls at a venue. just the lack of
SEX
jimmymack-2000
11-11-2003, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Ron paizley:
the real pert is that its not even GAY boys and thier sense of drama and dabauchery AR15firing.gif
now its just
internet geeks lookin 4 some well programed beatz
so they have the alternative hiphop and no mo rave now
so they can say thier
"house" Why is it "geeky" to not want to wait in line half an hour for a friggin' drink because some Lothario is trying to pick up girls at the bar?
Why is it "geeky" to want to actually DANCE on the dancefloor, instead of having to make room for crowds of immobile poseurs who are standing smack dab centre, checking out the ladies as THEY'RE dancing?
Why is it "geeky" to want to be able to bring your girlfriend, who might like house as much as you do, out to an event without having to constantly rescue her from horny and aggressive drunks?
Jamie 3:26
11-11-2003, 04:19 PM
I don't know what some of these folks are talking about.Man,I've had near sexual and sexual experiences on the dancefloor.
I've seen...wait this is recently,I've seen couples having sex while dancing.ohh the shame.
Some folks don't know how down and dirty a party is supposed to be.That's what I look for.Hell at Shelter,they don't even dance with each other.What's this.."My space" shit anyways??
I may see it differently because here in Chicago folks touch each other when they dance.Listen to the words of Hercules-7 ways to jack.That song summed it up to a t.You either got it or you didn't.
If I don't smell weed,incence,sweat,the musk of a damp women's panties,not perch,I might add,it ain't a real get down.Maybe that's why I don't like to go to a lot of clubs anymore.Yeah you can play the music like it's supposed to,but that's just one elemnt from what I'm used to.Sometimes,it just ain't about the music.
richierich
11-11-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Big Sexy:
I don't know what some of these folks are talking about.Man,I've had near sexual and sexual experiences on the dancefloor.
I've seen...wait this is recently,I've seen couples having sex while dancing.ohh the shame.
Some folks don't know how down and dirty a party is supposed to be.That's what I look for.Hell at Shelter,they don't even dance with each other.What's this.."My space" shit anyways??
I may see it differently because here in Chicago folks touch each other when they dance.Listen to the words of Hercules-7 ways to jack.That song summed it up to a t.You either got it or you didn't.
If I don't smell weed,incence,sweat,the musk of a damp women's panties,not perch,I might add,it ain't a real get down.Maybe that's why I don't like to go to a lot of clubs anymore.Yeah you can play the music like it's supposed to,but that's just one elemnt from what I'm used to.Sometimes,it just ain't about the music. Yeah Jaimie I hear you loud and clear..the parties have become watered down in that aspect. The shit that went on after they put everybody out of The Box in the morning rivals Caligula. Jacking is no more. I remember when Ron would bang Big Freak..if you didn't have a f***k to jack then you were ass out.
yep, shit was like caligula, now in the era of lillith fair house, you can't touch or sweat, unless of course, you are drunk and spilling your drink and burning folks with your cigarette in the middle of the dance floor
Jolyon
11-11-2003, 04:30 PM
Has AIDS/HIV had anything to do with this lack of sex in clubs?
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 04:32 PM
Hmm...I'm seeing a unserved market in all these posts...hmm...
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
{snip}the era of lillith fair house[snip}graemlins/rofl.gif
richierich
11-11-2003, 04:37 PM
I could say that back then I never brought my girlfriend to The Box or The Plant. I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped..not that I thought it was cool to do so but it was a sexual scene moe than now. Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes.
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
{snip}the era of lillith fair house[snip}graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]i wish i could take credit, but that's a ron paizley invention
jimmymack-2000
11-11-2003, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by richierich:
I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped...Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes. Again, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! It used to be that there was no such thing as raping your wife, either: she married you, and part of that meant she had to give it up whenever the urge struck you.
We've supposedly made progress since then...
[ November 11, 2003, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: jimmymack-2000 ]
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
{snip}the era of lillith fair house[snip}graemlins/rofl.gif </font>[/QUOTE]i wish i could take credit, but that's a ron paizley invention </font>[/QUOTE]but of course
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped...Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes. Again, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! </font>[/QUOTE]I've seen women damn near rape guys at some sets!
R-E-S-P...nevermind...
Men think too highly of themselves. We aren't the stronger sex. Our desires don't lead women down a path to ruin. Our regard for the opposite sex doesn't turn them into "whores".
House eunuchs! Wow, can adults be adults? :eek:
jimmymack-2000
11-11-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I've seen women damn near rape guys at some sets!
R-E-S-P...nevermind...
Men think too highly of themselves. We aren't the stronger sex. Our desires don't lead women down a path to ruin. Our regard for the opposite sex doesn't turn them into "whores".
House eunuchs! Wow, can adults be adults? :eek: OK, right, you win Danny--simply bring back public indecency, and the patient will survive! Never mind that house is, at its fundamental core, a sound that had its heyday over a decade ago! The kids will come a-runnin', foresaking all that hip-hop mumbo-jumbo! SIMPLE!!
Eye Candy Its a beautiful thing... graemlins/conf44.gif
richierich
11-11-2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped...Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes. Again, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! It used to be that there was no such thing as raping your wife, either: she married you, and part of that meant she had to give it up whenever the urge struck you.
We've supposedly made progress since then... </font>[/QUOTE]You somehow left out the part where I said "Not that I thought it was cool to do so".
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I've seen women damn near rape guys at some sets!
R-E-S-P...nevermind...
Men think too highly of themselves. We aren't the stronger sex. Our desires don't lead women down a path to ruin. Our regard for the opposite sex doesn't turn them into "whores".
House eunuchs! Wow, can adults be adults? :eek: OK, right, you win Danny--simply bring back public indecency, and the patient will survive! Never mind that house is, at its fundamental core, a sound that had its heyday over a decade ago! The kids will come a-runnin', foresaking all that hip-hop mumbo-jumbo! SIMPLE!! </font>[/QUOTE]why would they come to house when there is sex in hip hop?
jimmymack-2000
11-11-2003, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
why would they come to house when there is sex in hip hop? EXACTLY!
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
why would they come to house when there is sex in hip hop? EXACTLY! </font>[/QUOTE]so house is for eunuchs?
Huey P. Freeman
11-11-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
pass me the granola graemlins/rofl.gif
jimmymack-2000
11-11-2003, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by mhd:
so house is for eunuchs? No, the lack of sex appeal is not what's killing house, no more than it killed the big bands of the '40s, or the doo-wop groups of the '50s. House is an anachronism, and many of the househeads holding on to it are as pathetic as the 56-year-old balding pot-bellied ex-hippies that turn up at Moody Blues concerts and frighten the kids.
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped...Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes. Again, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! It used to be that there was no such thing as raping your wife, either: she married you, and part of that meant she had to give it up whenever the urge struck you.
We've supposedly made progress since then... </font>[/QUOTE]You somehow left out the part where I said "Not that I thought it was cool to do so". </font>[/QUOTE]Well, my reply was piggy-backing off of JimmyMack-2000's response. Not your comment.
(Today's a new day, richierich. Didn't we hang up the gloves? ;) )
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
so house is for eunuchs? No, the lack of sex appeal is not what's killing house, no more than it killed the big bands of the '40s, or the doo-wop groups of the '50s. House is an anachronism, and many of the househeads holding on to it are as pathetic as the 56-year-old balding pot-bellied ex-hippies that turn up at Moody Blues concerts and frighten the kids. </font>[/QUOTE]Do you walk into walls a lot...because you're always LOOKING BEHIND YOU!
jimmymack-2000
11-11-2003, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Do you walk into walls a lot...because you're always LOOKING BEHIND YOU! How do you extract that priceless nugget from a statement that decries "looking behind you"?
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
I've seen women damn near rape guys at some sets!
R-E-S-P...nevermind...
Men think too highly of themselves. We aren't the stronger sex. Our desires don't lead women down a path to ruin. Our regard for the opposite sex doesn't turn them into "whores".
House eunuchs! Wow, can adults be adults? :eek: OK, right, you win Danny--simply bring back public indecency, and the patient will survive! Never mind that house is, at its fundamental core, a sound that had its heyday over a decade ago! The kids will come a-runnin', foresaking all that hip-hop mumbo-jumbo! SIMPLE!! </font>[/QUOTE]Sex, displays of sexual behavior, open affection and even open copulation are COMMON to all species of life on earth...INCLUDING HUMANS.
Your religions have convinced you all to imprision that within you - not because it makes society better, but because THE ESTABLISHMENT holds the key to your sexual relief - and they use it as a means of control.
Getting married (and paying the church and state tax for the privelige)...observing laws of conduct...contributing to the economy...expanding the population...anonanonanonanon...
"PUBLIC INDECENCY???!!!" I don't understand how someone so erudite as yourself can claim LUST has been a factor in the decline of society. Phew... graemlins/jpshakehead.gif
[ November 11, 2003, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
Do you walk into walls a lot...because you're always LOOKING BEHIND YOU! How do you extract that priceless nugget from a statement that decries "looking behind you"? </font>[/QUOTE]My mistake. I missed the context of your comment. Nice comeback, btw.
richierich
11-11-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped...Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes. Again, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! It used to be that there was no such thing as raping your wife, either: she married you, and part of that meant she had to give it up whenever the urge struck you.
We've supposedly made progress since then... </font>[/QUOTE]You somehow left out the part where I said "Not that I thought it was cool to do so". </font>[/QUOTE]Well, my reply was piggy-backing off of JimmyMack-2000's response. Not your comment.
(Today's a new day, richierich. Didn't we hang up the gloves? ;) ) </font>[/QUOTE]I was talking to jimmy-mack 2000
Bold Soul
11-11-2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danny Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by richierich:
I've seen guys have their girls straight lifted up and taken to the back and get damn near raped...Now it's so sterile and anti-drug and politically correct and..well shit just changes. Again, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! It used to be that there was no such thing as raping your wife, either: she married you, and part of that meant she had to give it up whenever the urge struck you.
We've supposedly made progress since then... </font>[/QUOTE]You somehow left out the part where I said "Not that I thought it was cool to do so". </font>[/QUOTE]Well, my reply was piggy-backing off of JimmyMack-2000's response. Not your comment.
(Today's a new day, richierich. Didn't we hang up the gloves? ;) ) </font>[/QUOTE]I was talking to jimmy-mack 2000 </font>[/QUOTE]Damn! Okay...time for a nap...my bad...carry on...I'm baked today... graemlins/stupid.gif
The Buddy Love Show
11-11-2003, 05:27 PM
Think back on it?...When you started clubbing, was it for "the dance" or to meet girls (maybe)?
I for one wanted to meet girls as there were way too many dudes at hiphop parties - talk about reversal of fortune!
Damnit, now, at house clubs in nyc, you cant even come within 3 feet of a womans "personal space" without her getting her blood up
When did trying to meet chicks at house clubs become such a nono - I'm a Man dammit
"Lilith fair house" indeed...Paizley ought to copyright that!!!!!
D J 1 3 8
11-11-2003, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I for one wanted to meet girls as there were way too many dudes at hiphop parties - talk about reversal of fortune!
When I got into DJing (hip hop) in the late 80s, all the big clubs played house. Now thatI'm playing house, all the big clubs play hip hop. Reversal of fortune indeed.
The Buddy Love Show
11-11-2003, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by DJ 138:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
I for one wanted to meet girls as there were way too many dudes at hiphop parties - talk about reversal of fortune!
When I got into DJing (hip hop) in the late 80s, all the big clubs played house. Now thatI'm playing house, all the big clubs play hip hop. Reversal of fortune indeed. </font>[/QUOTE]TOOO true..that shit is funny as hell in a tragic kind of way
alex zen
11-11-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
Think back on it?...When you started clubbing, was it for "the dance" or to meet girls (maybe)?
I for one wanted to meet girls as there were way too many dudes at hiphop parties - talk about reversal of fortune!
i can relate to that. when i was younger the there were no girls at the hip hop parties and ones that were there were dressed like dudes. at the underground parties i can remember falling in love with many a disco bunny.
[ November 11, 2003, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: alex zen ]
Originally posted by Big Sexy:
I don't know what some of these folks are talking about.Man,I've had near sexual and sexual experiences on the dancefloor.
I've seen...wait this is recently,I've seen couples having sex while dancing.ohh the shame.
Some folks don't know how down and dirty a party is supposed to be.That's what I look for.Hell at Shelter,they don't even dance with each other.What's this.."My space" shit anyways??
I may see it differently because here in Chicago folks touch each other when they dance.Listen to the words of Hercules-7 ways to jack.That song summed it up to a t.You either got it or you didn't.
If I don't smell weed,incence,sweat,the musk of a damp women's panties,not perch,I might add,it ain't a real get down.Maybe that's why I don't like to go to a lot of clubs anymore.Yeah you can play the music like it's supposed to,but that's just one elemnt from what I'm used to.Sometimes,it just ain't about the music. Very true. That was Chicago back in the day. BTW, has a single female posted on this thread? Hmmm?
Friday
11-11-2003, 11:31 PM
nope, was going to say some stuff but I have changed my mind
Ron la Rock
11-12-2003, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Big Sexy:
I don't know what some of these folks are talking about.Man,I've had near sexual and sexual experiences on the dancefloor.
I've seen...wait this is recently,I've seen couples having sex while dancing.ohh the shame.
Some folks don't know how down and dirty a party is supposed to be.That's what I look for.Hell at Shelter,they don't even dance with each other.What's this.."My space" shit anyways??
I may see it differently because here in Chicago folks touch each other when they dance.Listen to the words of Hercules-7 ways to jack.That song summed it up to a t.You either got it or you didn't.
If I don't smell weed,incence,sweat,the musk of a damp women's panties,not perch,I might add,it ain't a real get down.Maybe that's why I don't like to go to a lot of clubs anymore.Yeah you can play the music like it's supposed to,but that's just one elemnt from what I'm used to.Sometimes,it just ain't about the music. OH jAmie believE the olD SHeLTeR my Bruh oh mYbruh graemlins/nono.gif
don't let the nEw chURcH network fool ya
used to have rubbin p line of fOlk
cats AND THE LADIES jockstrapz Boustiers and all
and ya wondER
why a lot OF Us areNt BUyn the cuRrENt VersION
Ron la Rock
11-12-2003, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by mhd:
pass me the granola yo itz late and yall kllin me
graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif graemlins/rofl.gif
fred da warrior
11-12-2003, 08:40 AM
hahaha @ New Church Network
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