Its official.....no WMD

[Dolemite73]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/967844.asp?0cv=CA01

This really makes me mad. What the hell did 23 Marines in my unit I was with and a couple hundred others die for? What reasons were we sent into Iraq for? These bastards have a shitload of American and Iraqi blood on their hands. This was an illegal war and some folks need to hang for this. mad1.gif

[ October 02, 2003, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Dolemite73 ]

[The Buddy Love Show]

Myself and many others on this board have been saying this for a long time and were vilified....

ooops doesn't do it


heads need to roll starting with Bush's

[saadir7]

man, we knew this from the
get go.
this is one of the biggest hustles
ever pulled. and now bush wants
87 billion $$ more for this hustle!
how long are we gonna stand for
being blatantly hustled
like this???!!!

[JMJ]

If this is the truth, it should be no wonder that we're considered terrorists in some parts of the world......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[DLow]

All those lives lost...for what? Greed? Power? Revenge?

I dunno...

But you know, Bush's ways were out on the table when he was Gov. of Texas. I wanna hear what those deaf, dumb, and blind supporters have to say now.

[daniel]

on the way to work this morning i saw a car with an american flag upside down. it basically summed up how it feels in this country right now.

[Friday]

why am I not surprised graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Dolemite73]

The thing that pisses me off the worse is that I actually came under enemy fire over there. Due to my job, I had a hand in killing a lot of Iraqi's. This is one of the biggest shams in history.

[dj c-los]

Originally posted by JMJ:
If this is the truth, it should be no wonder that we're considered terrorists in some parts of the world......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif I totally feel like what you just said. But as soon as i mention something like that to some peeps, it's like the they think I'm anti-american.

[ October 02, 2003, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: clos7 ]

[So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
If this is the truth, it should be no wonder that we're considered terrorists in some parts of the world......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif I totally feel like what you just said. But as soon as i mention something like that to some peeps, it's like the they think I'm anti-american.
</font>[/QUOTE]WHAT YOU FEEL AIN'T ANTI-AMERICAN. BECAUSE OF GREED AND POWER AND ANONIMINITY, GOVERNMENT BEEN SCREWIN UP BEFORE AND AFTER THE CONSTITUTION WAS MADE, LEAVIN US THE TRUE HARDWORKIN OVER-TAXED CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY, LEFT HOLDIN THE SHIT-BAG OF WHAT THEY MESSED UP IN. AND NOW HE, THE PRESIDENT, SUPPOSEDLY REALIZES THAT HE SCREW UP. AT THE SAME TIME WHETHER WE AS AMERICANS KNOW IT OR NOT, HE ALSO IS TRYIN TO CLEAN UP THE SHIT HIS DAD STARTED IN '91. I APPLAUD OUR AMERICAN SOLDIERS FOR BEING THE BRAVEST TO GO AND FIGHT TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY FROM SUPPOSEDLY "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" WHICH BY THE WAY HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND YET!!! SOOOO, THE BUSH REGIME, ONCE AGAIN USED US AS SCAPE GOATS AND PULLIN OTHER ALLIES IN ON THIS PROCESS TO GET THEM KILLED AND HURT FOR THE REAL REASON HE WANTED WAR---OIL!!!!!!!!!! AND IF WE KEEP THIS UP WE AS AMERICA WILL END UP ON A SCHOOLBUS TO HELL WITH EACH STUDENT WEARIN GASOLINE DRAWS!!!! graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Hippie]

Fellas watch the set-up! They sent this guy cause he's in the republicans pocket. It's not the fact that he didn't find WMD it's the fact that they layed the ground work for there out story by saying they found plenty of design papers for long range missles. Amazing that no one before this guy found these papers but this guy comes in and in less than two months he finds these papers! RIGHT!!!! Believe me he brought those papers in himself to the country.

[Dolemite73]

The more I look at the world, the more I truly believe in the Illuminati conspiracy. Isreal is knee deep in this shit.

[JMJ]

Originally posted by clos7:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
If this is the truth, it should be no wonder that we're considered terrorists in some parts of the world......JMJ graemlins/jpshakehead.gif I totally feel like what you just said. But as soon as i mention something like that to some peeps, it's like the they think I'm anti-american. </font>[/QUOTE]It's not anti-American at all, so don't sweat it. Not everybody sees us the way we envision ourselves (U.S.) to be, largely because of the spin our own government puts on the info we receive. We're nowhere near as free as we think we are......JMJ

[ October 02, 2003, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: JMJ ]

[martino]

Hippie - totally agree with you. And, i'd bet the farm there will be more developments to the WMD subject (discoveries, confessions of "scientists" etc.).

There were some truly entertaining threads regarding anti-americanism on this board during the early stages of this war. The knee jerk reactions of those that called many of us "anti-american" (only because we were against this war)did nothing but show their own insecurity if you ask me.

ps. Can you really be proud to be of any national citizenship? Being proud of culture makes more sense (as you can participate in customs or not), but you have no say on where you were born. So all this I'm proud to be _____ never made any sense to me to begin with. Plus isn't pride supposed to be a sin? Question your authority always.

[ChiJAM]

We're nowhere near as free as we think we are......JMJ
Bingo--that's the bottom line. I've been trying to find the quote on this (and the author). It's something like: "The best prison is the one you aren't aware of" or "The best prison is the one without bars." It goes something like that...

ChiJAM

[Steve Price]

This really makes me mad. What the hell did 23 Marines in my unit I was with and a couple hundred others die for? What reasons were we sent into Iraq for? These bastards have a shitload of American and Iraqi blood on their hands. This was an illegal war and some folks need to hang for this.
We discussed this...

[AD]

This isn't anything new. Most people knew it was all bull shit and we went over there for two reasons - 1)to show off by picking on the little guy which would let the world know that they shouldn't f uck with the US, and 2) to set up a government that will repay us with their most prized possesion - OIL.

[natacha]

Joke of the year:

The war in Irak will cost 30 Billions- The Bush Adminisration....

The rest of the world estimate: 200 Billions.

You (Americans) have been lied to from day one.

Special: Why Are Civilians Killed?

(Full Article-Very interesting facts about the war in Irak) ======&gt; http://www.socialwatch.org/en/noticias/noticia_21.htm)

International public opinion is undoubtedly aware of the Iraq massacres which have reverberated widely within the media over the last three weeks. It was shocking to watch what took place at a Baghdad market on March 28th where at least 55 people were killed and over 100 injured. Two other tragedies were the Najaf massacre on March 31st where 7 women and children were shot dead at a US checkpoint, and the Hilla massacre on April 1st where 33 were killed (among whom were 11 members of the same family, mostly children) and 310 were injured in an air strike on Nader residential district. Human shields suffered the same fate as the civilians they had hoped to protect when two vehicles carrying European and American people were hit on the road between Amman and Baghdad.

These are just some of the crimes that have received most attention in the media and which have caught the public consciousness. However, civilian casualties are ongoing and are a daily occurrence in the coalition’s 24-hour bombardment of Baghdad as well as other large-scale assaults in other areas of Iraq. Casualties only in Baghdad have been admitted on an average of 100 per hour.

Washington claims that the US-led invasion is not aimed at ordinary Iraqis and that the coalition’s aim is to remove Saddam Hussein from power. If this is the case, how can one explain this persistent targeting of civilians, which is surely not just “the fog of war”, as an American spokesman stated in the context of justifying the Najaf massacre. The British Prime minister, Tony Blair, reacted with horror to the images of two British soldiers killed in Basra, while dozens of clips of dead Iraqis failed to draw any condemnation.

This leads one to question the US claim to be the liberators of the Iraqi people, as the Bush administration is obviously unconcerned about the number of Iraqi civilians who are killed on the way to achieve its objectives in the region. It is not usual, however, for a liberating force to tear down the people’s flag and to raise their own in its place, as we witnessed in Umm Qasr.

Perhaps, the coalition was misled by some expatriated Iraqi opposition sectors who claimed that the Iraqi people would up-rise against the regime as soon as the US-led forces began their operations in Iraq, forgetting that Iraqis consider the Americans responsible for their horrific conditions, and that no Iraqi can celebrate forces that bring death and destruction to his country.

At the same time, we cannot vindicate the Iraqi regime for civilian casualties. It has, first of all, to be held accountable for the recruiting of civilians by force and threatening them with death should they refuse to fight.

Then comes the moving of war to civilian areas, either through hiding in these areas or spreading forces and combatants among civilians. And above all, it is impudently exploiting civilian casualties in order to gain the favour of international public opinion.

Finally, we cannot expect either the US-led coalition or the Iraqi regime to comply with the Geneva Convention in regard to the killing of civilians as both parties have a long history of disobeying international law and committing brutal crimes against civilians.

[ October 02, 2003, 11:23 PM: Message edited by: natacha ]

[So easy a protic can do it (QUAD)]

Originally posted by Steve Price:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> This really makes me mad. What the hell did 23 Marines in my unit I was with and a couple hundred others die for? What reasons were we sent into Iraq for? These bastards have a shitload of American and Iraqi blood on their hands. This was an illegal war and some folks need to hang for this.
We discussed this... </font>[/QUOTE]dude, my most humble apologies for your loss......on a lighter note, somebody has a birthday comin soon........hmmmmmm http://deephousepage.com/smilies/scratchchin.gif

[mdpm99]

Bu$hit.

d.

Ps.

...and all our fears over 9/11 played upon like a cheap fiddle by the ENTIRE Bu$h administration

[ October 03, 2003, 02:53 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[Martin Red]

That's why I wouldn't join the army

Porns in politicians chess game

From where I am sitting, I don't think there has been any worthwhile war since WWII

[Mah'chew]

I find it very noble that someone will go and fight for the citizens of their nation. However, in reality, this has not really happen since WII.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by Mah'chew:
I find it very noble that someone will go and fight for the citizens of their nation. However, in reality, this has not really happen since WII.

[Mah'chew]

Mate, we're in tune... ;)

[DJ76]

There are lots of things we don't know about in this story.

Question: when you have an issue with someone, don't you try to have a dialogue first before engaging in forceful measures? Did anyone see Bush or anyone from the US govt go and have a talk with the Iraqi govt? Hell no, they were playing games (I still can't believe the childish game of cards with the face of each wanted Iraqi official on a deck of cards, man oh man graemlins/jpshakehead.gif ).

Civil society should be raging right now, but the western societies have the minds of their population well controlled. Only an infinitely small minority will react. Others are busy living. graemlins/conf44.gif

[DJ76]

Originally posted by Mah'chew:
I find it very noble that someone will go and fight for the citizens of their nation. However, in reality, this has not really happen since WII. What you just said is so right.

[lyot]

Originally posted by DJ76:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mah'chew:
I find it very noble that someone will go and fight for the citizens of their nation. However, in reality, this has not really happen since WII. What you just said is so right. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, there was the intervention in East Timor..

I agree there are so many things we do not know. I would be surprised though if there has been no covert communication between the US and Iraqi government before the war. Given that no WMD has been found and will be found, I still wonder why Saddam didn't cooperate more. He probably must have thought it wouldn't deflect the risk of war anyway.

But once again, WMD was only the pretext.

[DLow]

Originally posted by Hippie:
Fellas watch the set-up! They sent this guy cause he's in the republicans pocket. It's not the fact that he didn't find WMD it's the fact that they layed the ground work for there out story by saying they found plenty of design papers for long range missles. Amazing that no one before this guy found these papers but this guy comes in and in less than two months he finds these papers! RIGHT!!!! Believe me he brought those papers in himself to the country. I feel you. You mean to tell me they took us to war for PLANS to build nuclear and/or chemical weapons?

[DLow]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Bu$hit.

d.

Ps.

...and all our fears over 9/11 played upon like a cheap fiddle by the ENTIRE Bu$h administration yeah...isn't if funny how Bin Laden morphed into Hussein?

[i.be.me]

Originally posted by Derrick:
yeah...isn't if funny how Bin Laden morphed into Hussein? Bin Laden?

who the f@$k is that!?!

mad1.gif

[ October 03, 2003, 07:08 AM: Message edited by: Saglady ]

[djyoavb]

take Bush the **** out of the white house, it will be better for everybody.

[Cheddar]

There is so much out there to read if you really wanna know.
Who is rebuilding Iraq?
Why has the independent investigation of the "SHOW" (9-11, RIP all deceased but call a spade a spade, thats why if it hit close to your family you should be THAT MORE OUTRAGED mad1.gif ) been blocked so hard by the White House Admin?

Did you know that in 2000 Iraq stop trading Oil with the US Dollar and switched to the Euro??

Do you know that the biggest Nuclear Arsenal in the Middle East is not the one we will discover in Iraq (joke) but in Israel?? (Recently read a theory about JFK dying over that).

Do you know about the PNAC? JINSA? Do you know who is part of these groups and also on Bush's policy boards??

Ever heard of Daniel Pipes? Richard Perle? Paul Wolfowitz? Know what they are about???

Listen to Nas' "Black Zombies".

[ October 03, 2003, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: 1343 ]

[DLow]

Originally posted by Saglady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Derrick:
yeah...isn't if funny how Bin Laden morphed into Hussein? Bin Laden?

who the f@$k is that!?!

mad1.gif </font>[/QUOTE]What do you mean?

[Cheddar]

Lies Never Questioned (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3785.htm)

Pinocchio rules:- lies that are never questioned


What a Tangled Web We Weave . . .
. . . when first we practice to deceive!

Updated: 06/14/03

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002


Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002


If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002


We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003


We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003


We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003


If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.

Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003


So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003


Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003


Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003


There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003


I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.


Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003


One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003


We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003


Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003


But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003


We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003


There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003


We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003


I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003


We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003


I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003


U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003


I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003


Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003


Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003


They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.


Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003


For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.

Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."


Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference

[Leslie]

Jesse Jackson told 'em to "..stay out the Bushes"...and no one wanted to listen.

I look forward to Ari Fleisher's and others memoirs in 20 years when he recalls how he and others got up there in front of the cameras and lied every day for this ****er. The fall out from this is going to go on forever...

[DJ Keith Porter]

Originally posted by Derrick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Saglady:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Derrick:
yeah...isn't if funny how Bin Laden morphed into Hussein? Bin Laden?

who the f@$k is that!?!

mad1.gif </font>[/QUOTE]What do you mean? </font>[/QUOTE]Means they Bin Lieing to us!

Ohh, I just want to add this in..
On the 1 Dollar bill its says "IN GOD WE TRUST"
What god, Who's god. hhuuuummm

Lastly the saying "God Bless America" Please....
Why would he! graemlins/acclaim.gif

[MYOR]

This goes to show you how many people need to belong and believe...

All the American Flags going up.. When I saw this I knew nothing good was gonna come out of it..

So easily fooled... :(

[Martin Red]

BBC news just in.

Bush undeterred by Iraq report


Evidence of weapons programmes was discovered
US President George W Bush has said an interim report into the search for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction proves former leader Saddam Hussein "was a danger to the world".
The Iraq Survey Group's report said no WMD had been found, but inspectors found significant amounts of equipment and weapons-related activities - all of which were concealed from UN inspectors.

Mr Bush said the findings reinforced the US case for war, proving that Saddam Hussein "actively deceived the international community" and was "in clear violation" of a key UN Security Council resolution.

There has been mixed reaction around the world to the report, prepared by CIA official David Kay.

IRAQ SURVEY GROUP
Set up in May
Kay appointed by CIA director George Tenet
1,200 experts from the US, Britain and Australia
Headquarters in Washington, offices in Baghdad and Qatar
Reported cost: $300m so far, another $600m needed


Key excerpts from report
Full text
UK reaction
Hans Blix - the man who headed the United Nations weapons inspection team in Iraq before the war - said Mr Kay's report contained "no surprises".

The vice-president of the Senate Intelligence Committee - Jay Rockefeller, a Democrat - said America's armed forces had been put at risk, based on a threat that appeared not to have existed.

But UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has defended the report, saying its contents justified the removal of the Iraqi leader.

You just don't make decisions like we do and put our nation's youth at risk based upon something that appears not to have existed

Senator Jay Rockefeller


In quotes: World reaction
In quotes: Reasons for war
BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Marcus says that while the report contains no smoking gun, its information, if correct, suggests that Iraq had embarked upon a systematic effort to keep its weapons programme going.

Mr Bush said: "[These] findings already make clear that Saddam Hussein actively deceived the international community, that Saddam Hussein, was in clear violation of United Nations Security Council resolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussein was a danger to the world."

Secret labs

Iraq's WMD programme "spanned more than two decades, involved thousands of people, billions of dollars and was elaborately shielded by security and deception operations that continued even beyond the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom" Mr Bush said, quoting from the report.

HAVE YOUR SAY
Saddam has proven to be the master of hiding things including himself

Margaret, USA


Send us your comments

Teams found clandestine laboratories and found live botulinum toxin - which could be used to make biological weapons - at an Iraqi scientist's home, the report said.

Plans were discovered for missiles capable of flying up to 1,000 kilometres (625 miles) - well beyond the 150-km range limit set by the United Nations, it added.

There were also alleged contacts with North Korea to obtain missile technology.

Mr Kay said additional information was beginning to corroborate reports of human testing activities using chemical and biological substances.

He told reporters that investigators had found evidence to suggest Saddam Hussein was trying to revive a nuclear weapons programme "at the most rudimentary level".

The ISG search is reported to have cost $300m so far, and the Bush administration is seeking an additional $600m for further searches, according to US officials quoted on Thursday in the New York Times newspaper.

The $600m are part of an $87bn funding package being requested by President George W Bush to Congress for spending on Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3162092.stm

[Leslie]

Talk about "I shall not be moved". graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Bill Blake]

Again, the purpose of this war was to have a strategic stronghold other than Israel in the Middle East particularly a Muslim one and Iraq was ripe for the taking.

Its simply one of Paul Wolfowitz’ objectives based on his view of the direction that the US should be moving in foreign policy and he has been arguing for this invasion for (I believe) close to twenty years.

Once (and if) Iraq is secured they have power leverage in the Middle East. Like the cold war, the idea of world influence through military action was disguised a great deal under the whole ‘stop communism from dominating the world’ pitch. The war on Iraq is the same under the guise of ‘A War on Terror’.

Actually the Iraq move in the Middle East is quite similar to the one made when both the Chinese and then eventually winning, the Soviet Union was able to influence Cuba and have it always on hand at America’s doorstep as a potentially strategic threat for positioning troops and missiles in the event of an all out war.

The big thing now………….If these idiots do not get an up and working Democracy in Iraq, America is ****ed when it comes to its reputation and respect in the world. A failure will give us little if any option to ONLY use force as our only means to really influence the world and not with any ideologies but ONLY for power.

[Huey P. Freeman]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
Bu$hit.

d.

Ps.

...and all our fears over 9/11 played upon like a cheap fiddle by the ENTIRE Bu$h administration My cousin gave me shit for this, but I believe the government had knowledge of what was going to take place(9/11) and allowed it to happen in order to carry out the moves it has done since then. They would use "The fight against terrorism" as a smoke screen to make moves without people questioning their motives.

[jimmymack-2000]

Speaking of WMDs, Pakistan just successfully tested its first nuclear-capable short-range missile today. This country, which has traditionally been very friendly to the U.S. (as a foil to Soviet-backed India in the 1960s and 1970s, and as a launching pad for mujahideen resistance to Soviet rule in Afghanistan in the 1980s), is now suspected of sheltering Bin Laden, as well as being home to hundreds of terrorist training camps and schools of doctrine.

Why is the U.S. wasting everyone's time by talking about invading Syria, North Korea and Iran? Not that Pakistan should be invaded, mind you, but there's more going on there than meets the eye...

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Speaking of WMDs, Pakistan just successfully tested its first nuclear-capable short-range missile today. This country, which has traditionally been very friendly to the U.S. (as a foil to Soviet-backed India in the 1960s and 1970s, and as a launching pad for mujahideen resistance to Soviet rule in Afghanistan in the 1980s), is now suspected of sheltering Bin Laden, as well as being home to hundreds of terrorist training camps and schools of doctrine.

Why is the U.S. wasting everyone's time by talking about invading Syria, North Korea and Iran? Not that Pakistan should be invaded, mind you, but there's more going on there than meets the eye... What is Pakistan worth?

[mhd]

Originally posted by 1343:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
Speaking of WMDs, Pakistan just successfully tested its first nuclear-capable short-range missile today. This country, which has traditionally been very friendly to the U.S. (as a foil to Soviet-backed India in the 1960s and 1970s, and as a launching pad for mujahideen resistance to Soviet rule in Afghanistan in the 1980s), is now suspected of sheltering Bin Laden, as well as being home to hundreds of terrorist training camps and schools of doctrine.

Why is the U.S. wasting everyone's time by talking about invading Syria, North Korea and Iran? Not that Pakistan should be invaded, mind you, but there's more going on there than meets the eye... What is Pakistan worth? </font>[/QUOTE]buck 50?