Niggardly - why oh why not just use a dictionary?

[BrazenMuse]

Ok...teaching Macbeth. Student reading a part screeches and loses her mind because she sees "Niggardly" and declares Shakespeare's a racist...:eek:


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2. Meanly small; scanty or meager: left the waiter a niggardly tip.

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Now...nukkas can be niggardly, but that's a different kettle of fish!

[liL Ray]

hmmmmmmmmmm....

this one could be hotly debated.

[Huey P. Freeman]

I don't know. Niggas don't tip so based on the example she may have a point.

[liL Ray]

I don't know. Niggas don't tip so based on the example she may have a point.

and away we go.......

LOL.

[LadyA. Acacia]

hmmmmmmmmmm....

this one could be hotly debated.

n/m

im staying away from serious shit on this board...

[MadMixer]

How you expect 15% and the Lord only wants 10?

[Huey P. Freeman]

How you expect 15% and the Lord only wants 10?:rofl:

[jimmymack-2000]

IIRC there was a furor over a white city councillor somewhere in the U.S. using this word during a meeting. He wound up apologizing profusely to his fellow councillors of color...

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22</a>

[Ernest Fountain]

shakespeare and his racist ass. f--k him!!!

:)

[Sal Paradise]

Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Words change.

['Magic' Juan]

That's queer.

[Chris Burns]

Many people have lost their jobs from misinterpretation of this word...

[cleodine velvet jackson]

Many people have lost their jobs from misinterpretation of this word...

Thank you.

[BrazenMuse]

Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Words change.

but, for real, is niggardly in use as widely as faggot? has it changed? i don't think so.
It's obsolete in the extreme and mostly pops up in lit classes or on SATs...

but the issue of context: if it is in a piece written in 1609, what's the likely meaning? Cheap!

Tha's all...

[Huey P. Freeman]

but, for real, is niggardly in use as widely as faggot? has it changed? i don't think so.
It's obsolete in the extreme and mostly pops up in lit classes or on SATs...

but the issue of context: if it is in a piece written in 1609, what's the likely meaning? Cheap!

Tha's all...Niggas is cheap.

[Sal Paradise]

but, for real, is niggardly in use as widely as faggot? has it changed? i don't think so.
It's obsolete in the extreme and mostly pops up in lit classes or on SATs...

but the issue of context: if it is in a piece written in 1609, what's the likely meaning? Cheap!

Tha's all...

The question is did the other word exist then? i don't know the answer, but my guess is no. Either way though it is a root not a coincedence. So the word in my mind and really any ones is not just niggardly; when they use it or read it or hear it.

[jimmymack-2000]

The question is did the other word exist then? i don't know the answer, but my guess is no. Either way though it is a root not a coincedence. So the word in my mind and really any ones is not just niggardly; when they use it or read it or hear it.

It <i>is</i> a coincidence. Do "deer" and "dear" share the same root because they're homophones? Should we ban the use of "jewelry", "snigger", "chink in the armor"?

I fully understand the problem in the case of words like "blackguard" or "gypped", btw.

[Sal Paradise]

It <i>is</i> a coincidence. Do "deer" and "dear" share the same root because they're homophones? Should we ban the use of "jewelry", "snigger", "chink in the armor"?

I fully understand the problem in the case of words like "blackguard" or "gypped", btw.

I believe one came from the other. It's not just a similar sound. At least that is what I am saying.

[liL Ray]

Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Words change.

I think in this case the word and meaning stayed the same but, the object (people?) it is used to described, has changed.

[Huey P. Freeman]

I think in this case the word and meaning stayed the same but, the object (people?) it is used to described, has changed.Now this is just conjecture but it may very well be possible that the use of the word niggardly in the context of the slave trade might have given rise to the term nigger. It's plausible I guess.

[liL Ray]

Now this is just conjecture but it may very well be possible that the use of the word niggardly in the context of the slave trade might have given rise to the term nigger. It's plausible I guess.

I think that would be safe conjecture...

[Sal Paradise]

Now this is just conjecture but it may very well be possible that the use of the word niggardly in the context of the slave trade might have given rise to the term nigger. It's plausible I guess.

this is my belief. But I can't say that I know that.

[Paula]

How you expect 15% and the Lord only wants 10?

'cause they don't serve hennessy and coke in church. Save 10% of your niggardly salary for the good reverend doctor lol

and go to your cousin Sharece's house to drink. clubbing ain't for the financially challenged son.

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[Paula]

Ok...teaching Macbeth. Student reading a part screeches and loses her mind because she sees "Niggardly" and declares Shakespeare's a racist...:eek:




Now...nukkas can be niggardly, but that's a different kettle of fish!

dictionary? chris rock has the answer -- forward to 3:33

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[liL Ray]

'cause they don't serve hennessy and coke in church. Save 10% of your niggardly salary for the good reverend doctor lol

and go to your cousin Sharece's house to drink. clubbing ain't for the financially challenged son.

thread killer....

[MadMixer]

'cause they don't serve hennessy and coke in church. Save 10% of your niggardly salary for the good reverend doctor lol

and go to your cousin Sharece's house to drink. clubbing ain't for the financially challenged son.


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Just for that, next time I come to Chicago to get a hot dog at the weiner palace, I aint tipping you shit.....And my muthafuckin fries better be hot....Nugguh

[Paula]

thread killer....

lol *Mwah* I got back on topic with chris rock though....

[Friday]

Niggas is cheap.

hahaha, you stoopid! but i still hate that word :tongueout:

[Paula]

How you expect 15% and the Lord only wants 10?

'cause they don't serve hennessy and coke in church. Save 10% of your niggardly salary for the good reverend doctor lol

and go to your cousin Sharece's house to drink. clubbing ain't for the financially challenged son.

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Just for that, next time I come to Chicago to get a hot dog at the weiner palace, I aint tipping you shit.....And my muthafuckin fries better be hot....Nugguh

You in Chicago? From the ATL...hmmm Greyhound is a little expensive nowadays love. Better stay close to home and eat after service in the church hall. no fries and no tipping required. :rofl:

[MadMixer]

'cause they don't serve hennessy and coke in church. Save 10% of your niggardly salary for the good reverend doctor lol

and go to your cousin Sharece's house to drink. clubbing ain't for the financially challenged son.


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You in Chicago? From the ATL...hmmm Greyhound is a little expensive nowadays love. Better stay close to home and eat after service in the church hall. no fries and no tipping required. :rofl:

Aiiight fuck it....you want a tip? Here goes....get a better job

You cant be on the waitstaff and then complain that it takes 2 whole years of saving to go to Miami.

Meanwhile I can jump up and be anywhere in the world tommorrow and not give a fuck how much it costs....muthafucka can you buy that?

[DaBownca]

Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Words change.
And Fag a cigarette ...just realized I can rationale how they got to the term faggot meaning homosexual...a bunch of sticks.....nah let me not piss ya'll off:tongueout:

[DaBownca]

Ok...teaching Macbeth. Student reading a part screeches and loses her mind because she sees "Niggardly" and declares Shakespeare's a racist...:eek:




Now...nukkas can be niggardly, but that's a different kettle of fish!
I'm with you Yveey! Loved that line even as a young Chuck "Be not so niggardly with thine speech" that right?

[Sal Paradise]

And Fag a cigarette ...just realized I can rationale how they got to the term faggot meaning homosexual...a bunch of sticks.....nah let me not piss ya'll off:tongueout:

I heard in the school yards of England, boys would bully the sissy boys by hitting them with a stick from a faggot and that is how the name was passed over. THe cig is a stick thus a fag.

[Paula]

Aiiight fuck it....you want a tip? Here goes....get a better job

You cant be on the waitstaff and then complain that it takes 2 whole years of saving to go to Miami.

Meanwhile I can jump up and be anywhere in the world tommorrow and not give a fuck how much it costs....muthafucka can you buy that?

world traveler? LOL pics please???? Paris? not Texas....France! (need I pull your thread (http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165082) for clarification)


lol ...how little you know of me. darling while you dream of staying seven to a room at WMC in Miami and complaining about $18 a shot hennessys and $10 beers, I'm flying 1st class to Jamaica or to David Mancuso's Loft party in NYC with a bottle of Imperial Nectar in tow. Why? Because I don't work in the type of establishments you and your mama's basement balla cohorts frequent leaving niggardly tips.

c'mon bruh, give me a double for a dollar more. no? then f*** yo tip then. :rofl:
real ballers don't make statements like "how you gonna ask for 15% and the Lord only wants 10." I do Bottle service baby and bartend for the jet set. Where the cheapest bottles start at $200 and the tips are phenomenal. When you get to that level love PM me for a reservation -- 2 bottle minimum. In the meantime, the Chardonnay Shack got a sale on Hennessy 2 bottles for $50. See you at the Chosen Few Picnic, Bill Gates? Or is Greyhound booked up that weekend.

[MadMixer]

world traveler? LOL pics please???? Paris? not Texas....France!

lol ...how little you know of me. darling while you stay seven to a room at WMC in Miami and complaining about $18 a shot hennessys and $10 beers, I'm flying 1st class to Jamaica. Why? Because I don't work in the type of establishments you and your mama's basement balla cohorts frequent leaving niggardly tips.

c'mon bruh, give me a double for a dollar more. no? then f*** yo tip then. :rofl: (need I pull your thread for clarification)

real ballers don't make statements like "how you gonna ask for 15% and the Lord only wants 10." I do Bottle service baby and bartend for the jet set. Where the cheapest bottles start at $200 and the tips are phenomenal. When you get to that level love PM me for a reservation -- 2 bottle minimum. In the meantime, the Chardonnay Shack got a sale on Hennessy 2 bottles for $50. See you at the Chosen Few Picnic, Bill Gates? Or is Greyhound booked up that weekend.

:rofl5: :rofl5: I might be cheap....but I aint no fool. I still aint decided if I want to come up there for the picnic. I tend to make up my mind to fly out somewhere on the weekend at the last minute when Ive gotten bored. If I do come up I'll come by where you work and help you out with that car note. How much the table dance hit for?

[djroc2u]

hahaha, you stoopid! but i still hate that word :tongueout:

i use to say that word as well until someone i respected told me it was a swear word.

[MadMixer]

I do Bottle service baby and bartend for the jet set.

Next week Im working in Phili monday and tuesday, Panama City wednesday, and Detroit thursday and friday......fuck it n/m....Im talking shit to a bartender every fucking night of the week while Im on the road....and here I am back at home and STILL talking shit to a fucking bartender. Damn...I cant get away from you muffuccas

[djroc2u]

hahaha, you stoopid! but i still hate that word :tongueout:


i used to say that word as well until i received an epiphany on it.

[Paula]

:rofl5: :rofl5: I might be cheap....but I aint no fool. I still aint decided if I want to come up there for the picnic. I tend to make up my mind to fly out somewhere on the weekend at the last minute when Ive gotten bored. If I do come up I'll come by where you work and help you out with that car note. How much the table dance hit for?

nig·gard·ly(ngrd-l)adj.1. Grudging and petty in giving or spending.
2. Meanly small; scanty or meager: left the waiter a niggardly tip.

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Niggardly ways make for niggardly results. fly out last minute....not the impression you gave. LOL drining in the parking lot before you go in the club is not only cheap, it'll make you delusional. :rofl:

:rofl5: :rofl: http://deephousepage.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=756298


Reason Im asking is because Ive never took vacation time....Ive always stacked that shit up and treated it like money in the bank. But now Im getting to the point where I dont feel like doing shit and that aint normal for me. So Im wondering, is this the point where a lil time off would re-energize the battery?

OK sweety. like I said when you can AFFORD bottle service pm me....until then continue to go Greyhound son. :rofl::rofl:

[Paula]

Originally Posted by Paula
I do Bottle service baby and bartend for the jet set.


Next week Im working in Phili monday and tuesday, Panama City wednesday, and Detroit thursday and friday......fuck it n/m....Im talking shit to a bartender every fucking night of the week while Im on the road....and here I am back at home and STILL talking shit to a fucking bartender. Damn...I cant get away from you muffuccas

:rofl: you ain't the jet set son....you belong to the rusted chevrolet set. don't stay out too late bothering my fellow mixologists. your mama said she needs her car back by midnight. bling bling fool :rofl:

[MadMixer]

nig·gard·ly(ngrd-l)adj.1. Grudging and petty in giving or spending.
2. Meanly small; scanty or meager: left the waiter a niggardly tip.

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Niggardly ways make for niggardly results. fly out last minute....not the impression you gave. LOL drining in the parking lot before you go in the club is not only cheap, it'll make you delusional. :rofl:

:rofl5: :rofl: http://deephousepage.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=756298



OK sweety. like I said when you can AFFORD bottle service pm me....until then continue to go Greyhound son. :rofl::rofl:

Call me niggardly then...I'll be dat :rofl5: So ummmm...any puerto rican chicks where you work? I got a thing for the Latina strippers.....a damn bartender? Why the hell would I spend my bread on a ragedy ass bartender when there's half nekkid pussy walking around. That just dont make no damn sense. Im done.....and hell naw I aint tippin yo ass

[MadMixer]

Originally Posted by Paula
I do Bottle service baby and bartend for the jet set.



:rofl: you ain't the jet set son....you belong to your mama's '97 chevrolet set. don't stay out too late bothering my fellow mixologists. your mama said she needs her car back by midnight. bling bling fool :rofl:

Good one :rofl5: go get me a Tanq 10 on ice...and hurry up

[MadMixer]

nig·gard·ly(ngrd-l)adj.1. Grudging and petty in giving or spending.
2. Meanly small; scanty or meager: left the waiter a niggardly tip.

(insert photo of MadMixer)

Niggardly ways make for niggardly results. fly out last minute....not the impression you gave. LOL drining in the parking lot before you go in the club is not only cheap, it'll make you delusional. :rofl:

:rofl5: :rofl: http://deephousepage.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=756298



OK sweety. like I said when you can AFFORD bottle service pm me....until then continue to go Greyhound son. :rofl::rofl:

Keep serving drinks baby....One day the manager will let you get up there on that pole and show em what you got. I always say start at the bottom and work your way up. Work hard, be on time, and YOU TOO can make it clap and get this bread.

[jimmymack-2000]

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[BrazenMuse]

I'm with you Yveey! Loved that line even as a young Chuck "Be not so niggardly with thine speech" that right?

Points for Chuck on that one!!!

Went and looked for the history of the word...
usually the etmology for the origin of the word that ya'll dislike so much is through Spanish = negro...

but this word has a different origin. Remember, English is a bastard language, snatchin' terms from everywhere it possibly can...


<dl><dt class="highlight">niggard (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=niggard) http://www.etymonline.com/graphics/dictionary.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=niggard)</dt><dd class="highlight">1366, nygart, of uncertain origin. The suffix suggests Fr. origin (cf. dastard), but the root word is probably related to O.N. hnøggr "stingy," from P.Gmc. *khnauwjaz (cf. Swed. njugg "close, careful," Ger. genau "precise, exact"), and to O.E. hneaw "stingy, niggardly," which did not survive in M.E.</dd></dl>I'd say that the conjecture of a link between the two words is merely that...and not very convincing at all...

[Dolemite73]

Niggas is cheap.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/Andeyhollawho/Get%20The%20Fuck%20Out/19146034.gif

[84KingStreet]

The english lanuage is wonderful. Etymology sez words can be broken down by suffixes and stuff: Cardio = Heart Roman - Ped = Foot Greek. Shakespeare wrote centuries ago and to take offense at a simple word is ridiculous. Political correctness is a recent phenomena. Way Back in da Day,
words like "niggardly" were not confrontational.

Get real? The definition has merit. Like somebody ALREADY said, Niggardly people (ain't gotta be of color) DON'T tip. and that's just the tip of the iceburg.

No offense here.

[Huey P. Freeman]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/Andeyhollawho/Get%20The%20Fuck%20Out/19146034.gifThe troof shall set you free.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Faggot used to mean a bundle of sticks. Words change.

Yeah now it means a bundle of dicks.

[Phyllis Hyman Cherry]

Many people have lost their jobs from misinterpretation of this word...

And their teeth.

[Paula]

Call me niggardly then...I'll be dat :rofl5: So ummmm...any puerto rican chicks where you work? I got a thing for the Latina strippers.....a damn bartender? Why the hell would I spend my bread on a ragedy ass bartender when there's half nekkid pussy walking around. That just dont make no damn sense. Im done.....and hell naw I aint tippin yo ass

LOL....I've never worked in a strip club love. you know up here in the big city we don't have to take our clothes off to make that kind of money. And it's not just me on the Page girlfriend. Palatine William Wilson, Bill Blake are among the men that work in the industry on the higher end -- bartending, bottle hosting, waitstaff at posh restaurants and make bank. Why do we complain? 'Cause we hate seeing cheap broke-down ghetto bunnies like you who just reek of Drakkar Noir and stale pickle juice not tippin' when we're used to quality customers who know. You don't know because you ain't used to better. Poor you -- not even one generation removed from drinking out of a paper bag. lol. Real ballers pay that much for good service...you know...the dinner bill for two is about $300...bottle service tab $700...oh but wait...you know nothing about that life. right. Mr. I-haven't-taken-vacation-yet-i'm-in-3-cities-a-week-and-eat-at-taco-bell-every-night-and-don't-tip. LOL your ghetto slip is showing love. Sweety stop smoking that cheap weed, it's making you delusional.


and speaking of making it clap, here's the strippers you can afford -- no tipping required. right after you snuck a pint bottle of MD 20/20 in the club. just plain niggardly behavior :rofl:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/o/housedeb/images/Ghetto%20girls.jpg

[MadMixer]

LOL....I've never worked in a strip club love. you know up here in the big city we don't have to take our clothes off to make that kind of money. And it's not just me on the Page girlfriend. Palatine William Wilson, Bill Blake are among the men that work in the industry on the higher end -- bartending, bottle hosting, waitstaff at posh restaurants and make bank. Why do we complain? 'Cause we hate seeing cheap broke-down ghetto bunnies like you who just reek of Drakkar Noir and stale pickle juice not tippin' when we're used to quality customers who know. You don't know because you ain't used to better. Poor you -- not even one generation removed from drinking out of a paper bag. lol. Real ballers pay that much for good service...you know...the dinner bill for two is about $300...bottle service tab $700...oh but wait...you know nothing about that life. right. Mr. I-haven't-taken-vacation-yet-i'm-in-3-cities-a-week-and-eat-at-taco-bell-every-night-and-don't-tip. LOL your ghetto slip is showing love. Sweety stop smoking that cheap weed, it's making you delusional.


and speaking of making it clap, here's the strippers you can afford -- no tipping required. right after you snuck a pint bottle of MD 20/20 in the club. just plain niggardly behavior :rofl:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/h/o/housedeb/images/Ghetto%20girls.jpg

OOOOOOOOOWEEEE....Good-Got-Toe-Mighty......you know I loves me some big gurl. That one in the red can get it.

Ghetto, niggardly, country, bama, ignant.....little do you know I takes all that shit as a compliment. Babygurl, name dropping is usually done while selling something. Im sold, youre not just some ragedy ass bartender I deal with every night. You make dranks better than any of them muffuccas. Sheeeeit...me and my little meager lifestyle aint worthy enough to sit in your station.....I got it....You get to suck platinum plated circumsized dick....you dont fuck with niggas and that foreskin...gotcha

A grand a night? Sheeit....you damn skippy I aint living that life, nor would I want to. Us simple folks call that being a damn fool. Can I afford it? You betcha sweet little serving ass but no thanks, I prefer my little whole in the walls where Leroy been out back grilling the meat all day, and the corn bread and greens is so good I had to call my momma and tell her if she was here I'd slap the shit outta her. I like to hit the little local mom & pop spots in every city Im in. Tell ya daddy next time Im in Ohara Imma come up to the C terminal and get my kicks shined up. The service industry has been good thru the generations.....I bet he proud you picked up the torch

[BrazenMuse]

Paula...MadMixer...ya'll really gotta have that conversation in this thread?

Jus' askin'...

[ebot9000]

not using the words niggardly or faggot is just plain pusillanimous. damn pussies

[MadMixer]

Paula...MadMixer...ya'll really gotta have that conversation in this thread?

Jus' askin'...

Im just responding teach....say something about a tip and here she come. She like a disabled vietnam vet who everytime he hear a gunshot he hit the ground looking for Charlie. Im done with it tho

Paula PM if you got something else to say

[BrazenMuse]

not using the words niggardly or faggot is just plain pusillanimous. damn pussies

oh lordy!
Remind me not to play scrabble with you!!! there's a word that lends itself to etmological mishaps!!!

how about: yclept!
that's my fave scrabble word...

** goodies for u soon, by the way...:wink:

[BrazenMuse]

Im just responding teach....say something about a tip and here she come. She like a disabled vietnam vet who everytime he hear a gunshot he hit the ground looking for Charlie. Im done with it tho

Paula PM if you got something else to say

I ain't gettin' into all that stuff...


I'm jes' sayin'...

[Bill Blake]

The N word and the word Niggardly are not from the same origin.

"1366, nygart, of uncertain origin. The suffix suggests Fr. origin (cf. dastard), but the root word is probably related to O.N. hnøggr "stingy," from P.Gmc. *khnauwjaz (cf. Swed. njugg "close, careful," Ger. genau "precise, exact"), and to O.E. hneaw "stingy, niggardly," which did not survive in M.E."

Although origin of nygart is unknown it is of a Teutonic origin which predates the Norman conquest where words of Romantic origin would be absorbed by English and those are of a French derivative. Negre would be the French for Spanish, Portuguese negro, but notice how it ties better with the older Teutonic words which have nothing to do with Black folks that don’t tip worth a shit.

This coincides with its use in early Modern English never being attributed to Africans but solely Europeans. If Shakespeare wanted to attribute a negative connotation to folks by equating them with Africans he used the word Ethiope (and Middle English I believe). Which does not necessarily mean Shakespeare was a racist but that it was common in the early part of the Modern English speaking culture to do so. Either way, Niggardly is not the same as that other wordy rapping hood.

[MYOR]

Paula...MadMixer...ya'll really gotta have that conversation in this thread?

Jus' askin'...

I just have to find out how Paula pops up when there is something about tips here.. does she get a text message or sumting:rofl5:

Hi Paula:biggrin:

[Bill Blake]

http://blog.oup.com/2006/07/unpronounceable/

[Paula]

Paula...MadMixer...ya'll really gotta have that conversation in this thread?

Jus' askin'...

You're right love...a thousand apologies. It is unfair to pick on the extremely financially challenged -- especially in a recession lol. As much as he tries to brag, he just doesn't have it to spend. I do try to educate and uplift the uncouth with humor. Charm school adjourned. MadMixer feel free to share your government cheese/parking lot playa anecdotes (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anecdote) on the PM.

[Paula]

I just have to find out how Paula pops up when there is something about tips here.. does she get a text message or sumting:rofl5:

Hi Paula:biggrin:

hi mama! you crazy lol. no honestly I find etymology fascinating. My mom would always tell us about words and surnames and their origins from different languages. Dad studied several languages so it was always discussed in the house. Lo and be hold, i just found the tip thing in the thread :rofl: -- it's just a reflex. ever since my bar buddies found that youtube clip, it's been fun just posting it randomly.

My dad had a dictionary of slang and euphamisms and would take us through it and explain how language evolves with time and influence from other cultures. fascinating stuff.

[BrazenMuse]

hi mama! you crazy lol. no honestly I find etymology fascinating. My mom would always tell us about words and surnames and their origins from different languages. Dad studied several languages so it was always discussed in the house. Lo and be hold, i just found the tip thing in the thread :rofl: -- it's just a reflex. ever since my bar buddies found that youtube clip, it's been fun just posting it randomly.

My dad had a dictionary of slang and euphamisms and would take us through it and explain how language evolves with time and influence from other cultures. fascinating stuff.

Well, it's nice to know you don't have some kind of search-bot lookin' for these threads!!! Hope all is well with you Paula!!

I love language topics and this word is one of those that makes me nuts because there is no real reason for the uproar over it except that it is sort of a homophone to a word we all have at least a little bit of an issue with...no reason at all...

One of my students was also mad because I asked her to read Malcolm's part in Macbeth: "Why you give me that one? That's a black name...why you makin' me read that?" So we ended up talking about where the name came from and all that as well. It was a good conversation and led to some pretty funny jokes later in the play, but sheeeesh!!!

Anyway...peace to you and to Mad Mixer...

[mhd]

I love language topics and this word is one of those that makes me nuts because there is no real reason for the uproar over it except that it is sort of a homophone to a word we all have at least a little bit of an issue with...no reason at all...

gimme a break, "no reason at all..." then you go and provide the very reason for the uproar, all so that you can say to your students they are ignorant about a word that has zero common usage, for good reason, and sounds like a racial epithet, congrats on another "gotcha" moment in the classroom

[BrazenMuse]

gimme a break, "no reason at all..." then you go and provide the very reason for the uproar, all so that you can say to your students they are ignorant about a word that has zero common usage, for good reason, and sounds like a racial epithet, congrats on another "gotcha" moment in the classroom

provide the reason? We're reading Shakespeare and she's the next in line to read, so she gets Malcolm's part?? Or do you mean the fact that we're reading the required text, it happens to be Macbeth and the word is in there, so we end up having a conversation about the terms being used? It's an example of one of the many educable moments that grow out of reading literature. It's an opportunity to expand vocabulary and awareness about language and you call it a "gotcha moment"? There are loads of words in Shakespeare that aren't in common usage, no?

and, frankly, many people (including my students) could use some object lessons in actually listening/reading thoughtfully ...improvements to enunciation would also be helpful...at least in academic or professional settings.

Aiiight. That's your reading and you're entitled to it...have a great day!!

[Bill Blake]

gimme a break, "no reason at all..." then you go and provide the very reason for the uproar, all so that you can say to your students they are ignorant about a word that has zero common usage, for good reason, and sounds like a racial epithet, congrats on another "gotcha" moment in the classroom

At first glance, it’s completely understandable for us ignorant to draw such a conclusion. But the word provides good opportunity to check ourselves and never take first things at glance no matter how much the similarity.

Shakespeare’s word count is around 29 thousand. The average word usage amongst common folk is around 2 thousand?—And one thing perhaps Brazen hasn’t taught the class is that Shakes himself is from common folks, lower class, and it may do them good to know he’s not some rich stuffy, but a poor cat from Stratford that challenged the greatness of English literature and still to this day there are aristocrats that buy into him not writing those plays because of his lowly origins.

One of the benefits of teaching kids Shakes is that it provides the opportunity to increase their vocabulary, and if permitted, a little introduction to etymology: this word perhaps better than others?

There might be a lady down the street sweeping her stoop with a broom with a pointy hat and a pointy nose but it doesn’t mean she’s to be vilified and burnt at the stake as a witch.

[Paula]

The N word and the word Niggardly are not from the same origin.

"1366, nygart, of uncertain origin. The suffix suggests Fr. origin (cf. dastard), but the root word is probably related to O.N. hnøggr "stingy," from P.Gmc. *khnauwjaz (cf. Swed. njugg "close, careful," Ger. genau "precise, exact"), and to O.E. hneaw "stingy, niggardly," which did not survive in M.E."

Although origin of nygart is unknown it is of a Teutonic origin which predates the Norman conquest where words of Romantic origin would be absorbed by English and those are of a French derivative. Negre would be the French for Spanish, Portuguese negro, but notice how it ties better with the older Teutonic words which have nothing to do with Black folks that don’t tip worth a shit.

This coincides with its use in early Modern English never being attributed to Africans but solely Europeans. If Shakespeare wanted to attribute a negative connotation to folks by equating them with Africans he used the word Ethiope (and Middle English I believe). Which does not necessarily mean Shakespeare was a racist but that it was common in the early part of the Modern English speaking culture to do so. Either way, Niggardly is not the same as that other wordy rapping hood.

"It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear" . - (Act I, Scene V).

romeo and juliet.

[BrazenMuse]

"It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear" . - (Act I, Scene V).

romeo and juliet.

...and, of course, not all references to Ethiopes were negative. The term was also used to create "exotic" images and vivid similes, as seen above.

[mhd]

At first glance, it’s completely understandable for us ignorant to draw such a conclusion. But the word provides good opportunity to check ourselves and never take first things at glance no matter how much the similarity.

Shakespeare’s word count is around 29 thousand. The average word usage amongst common folk is around 2 thousand?—And one thing perhaps Brazen hasn’t taught the class is that Shakes himself is from common folks, lower class, and it may do them good to know he’s not some rich stuffy, but a poor cat from Stratford that challenged the greatness of English literature and still to this day there are aristocrats that buy into him not writing those plays because of his lowly origins.

One of the benefits of teaching kids Shakes is that it provides the opportunity to increase their vocabulary, and if permitted, a little introduction to etymology: this word perhaps better than others?

There might be a lady down the street sweeping her stoop with a broom with a pointy hat and a pointy nose but it doesn’t mean she’s to be vilified and burnt at the stake as a witch.

there is so much wrong with this thread, starting with the title, could it be more condescending? what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly? why would you ever use a word that has only negative connotations and sounds like a word that has only negative connotations? ever heard of a double entendre? i tell you what, walk around your hood, with two books in your hand, norton's shakespeare and oxford dictionary, and use niggardly as much as possible, and when your homies are about to clean your clock, show them how the bard used it and show them the dictionary, then call 911

[jimmymack-2000]

there is so much wrong with this thread, starting with the title, could it be more condescending? what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly? why would you ever use a word that has only negative connotations and sounds like a word that has only negative connotations? ever heard of a double entendre? i tell you what, walk around your hood, with two books in your hand, norton's shakespeare and oxford dictionary, and use niggardly as much as possible, and when your homies are about to clean your clock, show them how the bard used it and show them the dictionary, then call 911

A most illogical and poorly formed argument for abandoning use of the word. In a contemporary and practical sense, however, you're right.

[The Buddy Love Show]

there is so much wrong with this thread, starting with the title, could it be more condescending? what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly? why would you ever use a word that has only negative connotations and sounds like a word that has only negative connotations? ever heard of a double entendre? i tell you what, walk around your hood, with two books in your hand, norton's shakespeare and oxford dictionary, and use niggardly as much as possible, and when your homies are about to clean your clock, show them how the bard used it and show them the dictionary, then call 911


maybe we should re-edit Shakespeare for black folk?

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

How you expect 15% and the Lord only wants 10?

Don't you just love how they put that one in there? People in churches all over the world giving money to the church because the "bible says so".

[BrazenMuse]

what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly?

One is a word and the other is a mis-spelling of the same word?

[DaBownca]

there is so much wrong with this thread, starting with the title, could it be more condescending? what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly? why would you ever use a word that has only negative connotations and sounds like a word that has only negative connotations? ever heard of a double entendre? i tell you what, walk around your hood, with two books in your hand, norton's shakespeare and oxford dictionary, and use niggardly as much as possible, and when your homies are about to clean your clock, show them how the bard used it and show them the dictionary, then call 911
When the word was used as referenced in this thread, it surely preceeded the homophone that is offensive. Musey was just expressing exasperation to a situation. I seriously think you say some things just because you feel like debating. Game rekinize game.

[The Buddy Love Show]

"Niggardly" (noun: "niggard") is an adjective meaning "stingy" or "miserly", related to the Norwegian verb nigle. It is cognate with "niggling", meaning "petty" or "unimportant", as in "the niggling details".
"Nigger" derives from the Spanish/Portuguese word negro, meaning "black", and probably also the French nègre, which is likewise a racist insult derived from negro (the ordinary French word for "black" being noir). Both negro and noir (and therefore also nègre and nigger) ultimately come from nigrum, the accusative declension of the Latin word niger, meaning "black".

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"Julian Bond, then chairman of the NAACP, deplored the offense that had been taken at Howard's use of the word. "You hate to think you have to censor your language to meet other people’s lack of understanding", he said. "David Howard should not have quit. Mayor Williams should bring him back — and order dictionaries issued to all staff who need them."[4]
Bond also said, "Seems to me the mayor has been niggardly in his judgment on the issue. [...] We have a hair-trigger sensibility, and I think that is particularly true of racial minorities."[5]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22

[The Buddy Love Show]

NEEDS REPEATING


"We have a hair-trigger sensibility, and I think that is particularly true of racial minorities." - Julian Bond

[BrazenMuse]

NEEDS REPEATING


"We have a hair-trigger sensibility, and I think that is particularly true of racial minorities." - Julian Bond

And I understand the hair-trigger...but I also firmly believe that folks could stand some time with dictionaries...

It seems to me more useful to be angry at the things which truly are insulting and negative...but to also try to be sure what those things are before mouthing off...

many people admire those who have extensive vocabularies, while others vilify them for "trying to act/sound (insert dominant culture grouping's name here) or admire virtuoso verbal performances and such...but believe that the project of extending vocabulary is too much hard work.

I have a problem with the latter. We work on vocabulary all the time in my classroom, starting with weekly lessons on roots/prefixes/suffixes and finishing up with whatever vocabulary comes from the current reading for the class.

[Bill Blake]

there is so much wrong with this thread, starting with the title, could it be more condescending? what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly? why would you ever use a word that has only negative connotations and sounds like a word that has only negative connotations? ever heard of a double entendre? i tell you what, walk around your hood, with two books in your hand, norton's shakespeare and oxford dictionary, and use niggardly as much as possible, and when your homies are about to clean your clock, show them how the bard used it and show them the dictionary, then call 911

Aside from Jimmyjack’s astute observation, this is a classroom, not the streets asshole!

[Ayo]

On MSN's (hotmail) homepage today
By Lynn Harris
"Clearly, though, some doubt is niggling, or you wouldn’t have written. Am I right?"

[the crackhouse]

Reminds me of a South Park episode where some guy is on TV live, playing the wheel of fortune, and he sees the uncompleted word "N . G G E R S".

The definition of the word is: "people who annoy you."

But the word was... "N A G G E R S".

Idance

[BrazenMuse]

Reminds me of a South Park episode where some guy is on TV live, playing the wheel of fortune, and he sees the uncompleted word "N . G G E R S".

The definition of the word is: "people who annoy you."

But the word was... "N A G G E R S".

Idance

:icon_rofl:

[The Buddy Love Show]

Nagger sounds like a racist slur to me. What does i mean? (I dont own a dictionary) Why can't they use another word?

LOL

[Huey P. Freeman]

Reminds me of a South Park episode where some guy is on TV live, playing the wheel of fortune, and he sees the uncompleted word "N . G G E R S".

The definition of the word is: "people who annoy you."

But the word was... "N A G G E R S".

Idance

Funny as hell!

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[Moksha]

there is so much wrong with this thread, starting with the title, could it be more condescending? what is the difference between niggardly and niggerdly? why would you ever use a word that has only negative connotations and sounds like a word that has only negative connotations? ever heard of a double entendre? i tell you what, walk around your hood, with two books in your hand, norton's shakespeare and oxford dictionary, and use niggardly as much as possible, and when your homies are about to clean your clock, show them how the bard used it and show them the dictionary, then call 911

ignorant

[oscarherlin]

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